IRC Log for #openid on 2008-01-24

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  7. [01:23:47] <dbounds> hi
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  20. [03:45:33] <PibbRelay> <CrazySane> How's it going?
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  27. [04:19:26] <PibbRelay> <Joel> Anybody alive in here?
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  29. [04:27:08] <PibbRelay> <Joel> I answered my own question. Joined the dev@ mailing list and now I can send patches.
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  32. [04:57:26] <PibbRelay> <CrazySane> I'm here
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  92. [11:07:58] <gaurav_> hello if any body work on moodlw module of openid?
  93. [11:08:11] <gaurav_> moodle*
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  100. [13:17:15] <TimothyP> Hi, I'm trying to install the php libraries for OpenId on an ubuntu server. In the past I did it with pear, but I can't find the information on openidenabled anymore
  101. [13:22:12] <TimothyP> the old site was better :p
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  103. [13:33:01] <tjohns> TimothyP: Are you sure, because there was a discussion on dev about a week ago about trying to get the OpenID library into PEAR.
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  106. [13:40:33] <TimothyP> yes I'm very sure, me and a person from Janrain spent a few hours debugging a previous installation and we used pear throughout
  107. [13:40:43] <TimothyP> but that was months ago
  108. [13:41:10] <TimothyP> the server worked fine for a few months but we had to switch to new servers last week :)
  109. [13:41:19] <TimothyP> so need to reinstall openid
  110. [13:41:24] <fzlogik> I'm currently in the process of writing a library to integrate OpenID with Wicket (a java web app framework), but I've stumbled upon something that concerns me a little: when an openid response is received, the nonce needs to be validated (to prevent against replay attacks, I guess). however, the openid4java library currently checks the local-system time to test the validity of this nonce.
  111. [13:41:39] <fzlogik> is this correct behaviour, or should the library be querying the identity provider for its current timestamp instead?
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  113. [13:43:26] <fzlogik> if it is the correct behaviour, this seems to assume that every server is synchronized - is this mandatory in the spec? (I couldn't see anything relating to this... though I haven't searched too deeply). my machine was off by about 2 minutes, which caused nonce validation to fail... obviously in a production environment, where these guarantees can't be made (we have to account for -any- identity provider, after all)...
  114. [13:43:49] <fzlogik> if the library should in fact check the identity provider's timestamp, I'd be happy to help out and commit a patch to openid4java.
  115. [13:48:39] <fzlogik> sigh, and now my connection's going to drop.
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  118. [13:55:29] <fzl0gik> anyway, I'm pretty sure a decent solution would be to write a NonceVerifier that's able to look up a time-delta for identity providers. a simple mapping from String -> Long, where the String is the identity provider URL and the Long is calculated from the system's local time and the 'Date:' field in the HTTP response header.
  119. [13:55:52] <fzl0gik> chances are that Date: field is optional, so if it's not present, the best the NonceVerifier can do is assume a zero time delta.
  120. [13:57:46] <tjohns> fzl0gik: There's no requirement that the servers clocks are in sync, per se.
  121. [13:58:23] <tjohns> At least not perfectly
  122. [13:58:57] <tjohns> They're supposed to be reasonably within sync +/- some (undefined) time-delta
  123. [14:01:02] <fzl0gik> openid4java seems to assume 60 seconds is a reasonable difference. hmm.
  124. [14:01:25] <fzl0gik> well, I'll definitely have a look into how it might be possible to improve it by inspecting the returned 'Date:' field.
  125. [14:02:24] <tjohns> Another idea (I'm just brainstorming here) is to compute a delta associated with each server when first associating
  126. [14:02:35] <tjohns> So, if the first nonce is 6 hours off, it's probably safe to assume that all future nonces will be 6 hours off.
  127. [14:02:51] <tjohns> That avoids having to deal with the Date: header
  128. [14:03:42] <fzl0gik> oh, there's a nonce passed in the association phase? yes - that's a better solution then. :)
  129. [14:04:10] <tjohns> I'm not sure, one sec, I'll check.
  130. [14:05:02] <tjohns> Nope, looks like there isn't
  131. [14:05:08] <tjohns> But even then, it doesn't make a difference
  132. [14:05:17] <tjohns> The time is only necessary in order to prune the nonce database
  133. [14:05:37] <tjohns> So, you could even wait until the first assertion arrives and still not be worried
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  164. [18:28:15] <Tobsn> http://bloggasm.com/january-30th-is-international-delete-your-myspace-account-day
  165. [18:28:33] <Makenshi> Do i need to make an account just so I can delete it?
  166. [18:28:49] <Tobsn> yep
  167. [18:29:13] <Makenshi> I'd rather not
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  174. [20:38:26] <donomo> Tobsn: thanks for the link. couldn't agree more
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  176. [20:40:13] <Tobsn> yep
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