IRC Log for #openid on 2008-02-08
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- [00:16:11] <sh1mmer>
hi
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- [00:16:45] <sh1mmer>
I'm having some signing issues using the dev branch of the janrain php libs
- [00:17:10] <sh1mmer>
I'm wondering if there is some setup I haven't done I should have
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- [00:20:40] <imajes>
hey sh1mmer
- [00:20:51] <sh1mmer>
hello omnipresent
- [00:21:01] <sh1mmer>
didn't fancy the myspace party?
- [00:21:08] <imajes>
didn't know about it
- [00:21:27] <imajes>
where was it advertised
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invite only
- [00:23:36] <sh1mmer>
assumed you had been
- [00:23:40] <imajes>
ah well i wasn't good enough for an invite
- [00:23:44] <sh1mmer>
you normally are
- [00:23:53] <imajes>
i've been quiet
- [00:23:57] <imajes>
who got invited then
- [00:24:03] <sh1mmer>
Mike Butcher asked me mean question
- [00:24:06] <imajes>
(i assume you went?)
- [00:24:07] <sh1mmer>
not that I'm surprised
- [00:24:07] <sh1mmer>
heh
- [00:24:12] <sh1mmer>
I went for an hour
- [00:24:15] <sh1mmer>
internal hack day today
- [00:24:28] <imajes>
who was there
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trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
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I was wondering if there was some form of test server for OpenID, so I could test my consuder to figure out why the requests it is sending are considered bad by Yahoo and other OpenID servers I have tested it on
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- [14:33:42] <tux21b>
hi is here somebody with python-openid experiences? the login works, but i cant find a way to suppress the output to stdout
- [14:34:18] <tux21b>
(and mod_wsgi tends to kill processes when they write to stdout *g*)
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- [16:06:02] <PibbRelay>
<Martin> tux, you can turn that mod_wsgi behavior off
- [16:26:22] <keturn>
do you mean stdout or stderr?
- [16:26:48] <keturn>
the default implementation of oidutil.log writes to stderr. you can redefine that if you like.
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- [18:25:44] <salty-horse>
is there work on a best practices guide for openid integration? some implementations think that showing a person's openid url instead of nickname/other name is a good thing :/
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- [19:29:02] <_keturn>
http://wiki.openid.net/Relying_Party_Best_Practices , http://www.plaxo.com/api/openid_recipe
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- [19:39:50] <tux21b>
and does anybody know how to suppress the output to stdout? i think its a very poor coding style for libraries to print to stdout directly, where there are enough logging modules around and it makes it simple impossible to use it in a server environment
- [19:42:16] <tux21b>
and i am talking about the python-openid implementation
- [19:43:11] <_keturn>
tux21b: um, scroll up three lines?
- [19:44:14] <salty-horse>
_keturn, thanks. it has exactly what I wanted :)
- [19:44:55] <salty-horse>
what about *not* revealing a user's openid. is this encouraged/discouraged? meaning, the site uses openid just for user authentication, but beyond that, the user isn't identified in a special way
- [19:45:12] <tux21b>
_keturn, oh, sry
- [19:45:42] <salty-horse>
oh, it conflicts with http://wiki.openid.net/Relying_Party_Best_Practices#Don.27t_require_users_to_choose_locally-unique_usernames
- [19:46:02] <salty-horse>
which I kinda disagree with
- [19:48:20] <_keturn>
we've defininately had user feedback that they don't want their OpenID identifiers publicly revealed in an RP application. It certainly depends on the type of application. In some cases, having that information be transparent is going to be important to the reputation and credibility of the site members. In other applications, that's not a factor.
- [19:51:51] <tux21b>
_keturn, thanks for your help. i disabled logging now :)
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- [20:00:23] <salty-horse>
_keturn, movabletype, for example, doesn't let me choose a nickname to display when commenting -- so I'm identified only by the ugly openid url
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- [20:53:05] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> I greatly disagree with that one.
- [20:53:27] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> I think the OpenID should (*almost* always) be visible, but never visible everywhere/in your face.
- [20:54:10] <PibbRelay>
<cygnus> a common conclusion is that it ought to be up to the user.
- [20:56:58] <salty-horse>
PibbRelay, I'm ok with it being up to the user, but sometimes that choice is hidden in the preferences (see livejournal's openid commenting. if you comment without going to preferences first and changing your info, you get the openid as your displayed name)
- [20:56:59] <PibbRelay>
salty-horse: Error: "I'm" is not a valid command.
- [20:57:07] <salty-horse>
heh
- [20:57:39] <salty-horse>
VxJasonxV, that is :)
- [20:59:38] <PibbRelay>
<cygnus> well, that's a case where the more conservative behavior should be default, i.e., hiding unless explicitly asked to show it.
- [21:03:51] <salty-horse>
another question: what do you think about services that take your nickname/name from the attribute exchange and use it automatically without letting you modify them? I would assume attribute exchange is best used to auto-fill form fields *before* submission
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- [21:13:00] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> Your IdP should hopefully tell you it'll send the nickname that was requested by the RP
- [21:13:11] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> you can remove, modify, or whtever you want at that time
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- [21:13:55] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> i.e. your IdP has to knowingly send information to the RP requesting it, so HOPEFULLY your IdP asks you to approve it to do so, and if you don't approve it, you can reject the entire transfer, or modify what *does* get sent (if anything)
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- [21:20:12] <Bushmills>
g'day
- [21:23:44] <Bushmills>
looking at the "security" archives on openid.net, that issue doesn't seem to be of high relevance.
- [21:28:07] <Bushmills>
I hoped to find some mention there of the effects of, saying, being victim of a spoofed login page.
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- [21:28:43] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> IdP phishing logins have always been an issue.
- [21:29:05] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> Simon Willison's slides have also mentioned the issue, probably in every OpenID presentation of his.
- [21:29:37] <Bushmills>
that's why I wondered why OpenId seems to be passphrase- rather than, say, PKI based
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- [21:31:26] <jibot>
miyagawa is Tatsuhiko Miyagawa, the author of Plagger <http://plagger.org> and works on Vox <http://www.vox.com> in Six Apart.
- [21:31:30] <Bushmills>
with a passphrase based system, it appears to me that the problem will only be magnified, because the damage potential is greater (as more participants make their sites accessable to the same id)
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- [21:35:25] <_keturn>
there's plenty of precedent set for non-passphrase OpenID systems. ssl certs or infocards on myOpenID, hardware tokens at verisign PIP, grid...thingie at Vidoop
- [21:35:31] <PibbRelay>
<ozamosi> It's not OpenID's problem if you use passphrases or PKI - it's the OpenID Providers problem.
- [21:37:00] <Bushmills>
ozamosi: good to hear that, I wasn't aware of that.
- [21:37:31] <ozamosi>
Wow, I'm in here on IRC too? I didn't know :)
- [21:37:50] <Bushmills>
yes, though the relay
- [21:37:59] <Bushmills>
through
- [21:44:04] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> no, he's here (here being Pibb) and there (there being IRC)
- [21:44:16] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> Bushmills: One of the key points of OpenID design is that, to spec, OpenID DOES NOT dictate an authentication method
- [21:44:42] <PibbRelay>
<VxJasonxV> that's why we have Jabber Message auth, SMS auth, Client Side SSL auth, passwords, cardspace, and even *NO* auth
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- [23:30:42] <jibot>
trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
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