IRC Log for #openid on 2008-02-07

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  6. [01:04:05] <donomo> lots of people, no time to attend
  7. [01:04:19] <donomo> sessions during the day, sponsored parties at night
  8. [01:39:50] <kryptos23> Good morning
  9. [01:40:19] <kryptos23> Is there any paper that describes the architecture of openID ?could someone plz point me to a link
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  11. [01:45:53] <tjohns> kryptos23: http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/1179529.1179532
  12. [01:47:24] <tjohns> That's the best article I've found explaining the architecture behind OpenID. Unfortunately, you'll need to have an ACM account (or have access to an account through your university/work) to read it.
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  14. [02:13:35] <kryptos23_> thank you tjohns
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  35. [06:17:34] <slango> hello
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  48. [08:55:46] <poonam> Hi all
  49. [08:56:18] <poonam> can anybody tell me how to use openidin drupal
  50. [08:56:37] <poonam> I ve installed openid plugin in moodle
  51. [08:57:27] <poonam> I can login moodle using openid
  52. [08:59:43] <poonam> but i am not getting how to update that
  53. [09:00:24] <poonam> i mean after login , on server side i get Nickname,email,country
  54. [09:00:37] <poonam> what if I want to add role id
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  57. [09:05:26] <kanhaiya_kk> poonam: hi
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  80. [12:37:11] <Balder_tc> hey.. i was wondering if openid has any "single logout" functionality, or wether this is planned to be implemented in the future?
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  93. [15:05:53] <Makenshi> Now I'm all moved and stuff I should start work on that list
  94. [15:08:54] <henshaw> hi, I'm trying to set myself an openid with myopenid and have some questions about attribute exchange:
  95. [15:10:07] <henshaw> what I want is to have a set of attributes that are sent to 3rd party sites when I join with my openid and a sparser set of attributes that live on my openid page.
  96. [15:11:40] <henshaw> is there a way to do that? er, I've just realised that having a private persona that's used for attribute exchange does exactly this. I was thinking that I wanted per-attribute permission, but maybe this is a better idea.
  97. [15:12:31] <henshaw> it wasn't clear to me what personas were supposed to be for, is this my fault or is the documentation not explicit enough?
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  102. [16:46:42] <harningt> *
  103. [16:46:42] <harningt> I have an OpenID provider setup and often run into bad signature errors while using a modified version of the example server. Are there any suggestions on how to fix this? Any ideas on how to simply 'debug' it?
  104. [16:46:42] <harningt> *
  105. [16:46:42] <harningt> I have the 'buggy' GMP flag set... if that's set and its not buggy... would that also cause problems... or just slow things down?
  106. [16:47:18] <harningt> The problem is like this: Log into OpenID consumer site, Bounces to auth to my openid provider, On return I get the signature error
  107. [16:47:18] <harningt> At this point, the error is always repeatable for that specific site... so I assume the association got botched...
  108. [16:47:18] <harningt> If this is the case, is there any way for my server to detect such a 'botching' and force a renegotiation?
  109. [16:47:18] <harningt> I'd strongly rather that the association went fine.. but it seems that this won't always work....
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  111. [16:50:32] <keturn> is there any systematic difference between the associations that work and those that don't? a different length, or certain characters?
  112. [16:52:29] <harningt> Hrm...
  113. [16:53:48] <harningt> not that I can really tell.....
  114. [16:54:10] <harningt> well... i cant really separate things out... i guess taking the sqlite database that I captured from a bad setup may reveal something....
  115. [16:56:05] <harningt> hrm.. did a length(secret) and am coming up w/ values from 11-18
  116. [16:56:07] <harningt> .......
  117. [16:57:02] <harningt> I've since moved the server to using Memcached (hoping to help mitigate the issue...)
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  124. [17:44:09] <harningt> Note that even though I changed to the Memcached backend.. i ran into the same issue.........
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  126. [18:03:17] <joevandyk> i tried making a yahoo openid, couldn't sign in to the first four openid sites i tried.
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  132. [18:21:53] <_keturn> joevandyk: it only works with OpenID 2.0 enabled sites. This is currently a minority of the deployed sites out there.
  133. [18:22:20] <joevandyk> _keturn: thought it was something like that.
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  136. [18:32:47] <gazz_> aha
  137. [18:33:33] <gazz_> I have a question...regarding the Foundation Board. Is there anyone specific to whom I should speak?
  138. [18:38:51] <_keturn> I don't believe any of the board members are in this channel. board@openid.net is a mailing list where you can reach the board.
  139. [18:41:34] <gazz_> cool.
  140. [18:41:39] <gazz_> ta
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  143. [19:19:03] <GabeW> hah
  144. [19:19:10] <GabeW> board members are not here
  145. [19:19:23] <GabeW> though we could probably get them here if there was a pressing interest/need
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  151. [21:12:33] <donomo> interesting that the yahoo username is not recommended to be included in the yahoo openid
  152. [21:12:45] <donomo> for good reason, it'd be easy to compute the email address
  153. [21:13:41] <donomo> the yahoo generated one is AWFUL
  154. [21:13:52] <donomo> https://me.yahoo.com/a/jW_FRkdsgNkXUlCwql4ZccJddExzff--
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  156. [21:14:13] <donomo> im really supposed to type that into openid sites??
  157. [21:16:16] <Makenshi> What is the problem with knowing someone's email address?
  158. [21:17:14] * donomo thinks of a certain packaged meat-product
  159. [21:18:04] <Makenshi> Spam? That's what spam-filters are for
  160. [21:18:33] <donomo> if they worked 100%, i would agree with you.
  161. [21:18:39] <_keturn> donomo: no, you're supposed to click the button that says "Y!" on it. Or, if they are so unsophisticated as to not put yahoo advertising on their login page, you can type "yahoo.com"
  162. [21:19:41] <Makenshi> I get more spam in my mailbox than i do in my email account
  163. [21:19:45] <_keturn> spam, or just unwelcome attention in general. Not everyone wants their contact information to be publically accessible.
  164. [21:19:48] <Makenshi> And it's harder to deal with than simply clicking "delete"
  165. [21:20:14] <Makenshi> So what, you can just delete it
  166. [21:20:40] <Makenshi> No matter how careful you are, someone who really wants it could find it out
  167. [21:20:48] <donomo> _keturn: oh right. thats also curious. if im already logged into yahoo, an openid of yahoo.com will do the trick since my cookie will identify me to openid.yahoo.com
  168. [21:21:56] <donomo> ha. it also works with 'myopenid.com'
  169. [21:22:08] <donomo> wow thats a significant change to the way openid is normally presented.
  170. [21:22:34] <donomo> the website only needs to know the url of your provider, not your openid url.
  171. [21:24:21] * donomo boggles
  172. [21:24:26] <donomo> thats a big deal
  173. [21:24:34] <donomo> you dont have to remember your own openid url anymore
  174. [21:25:00] <Makenshi> The one you use for everything.. yeah i can imagine that is difficult to remember :p
  175. [21:25:47] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> Yeah, that's an OpenID 2 feature and as such will only work with OpenID2-compliant providers and RPs.
  176. [21:26:04] <donomo> makenshi: my grandma can remember yahoo.com. i doubt she'd remember http://openid.yahoo.com/grannie123
  177. [21:26:22] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> and it will be difficult, Makenshi, if it's not the one you use for everything if you use different URLs for different purposes
  178. [21:26:34] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> or if the one you *do* want to use is the obfuscated type of identifier.
  179. [21:26:56] <donomo> dang. im suprized this wasnt advertised more when 2.0 was finalized
  180. [21:27:07] <donomo> thats a big freaking deal as far as usability
  181. [21:27:39] <Makenshi> It would be more usable if that entire step was removed
  182. [21:27:44] <PibbRelay> <cygnus> unfortunately the finalization per se came far after the feature was added
  183. [21:28:11] <Makenshi> I.e., no logon step needed
  184. [21:28:15] <_keturn> but, yes, that is perhaps the most significant feature OpenID 2.0 offers
  185. [21:28:32] <donomo> Makenshi: i agree. a plugin that could sense the openid login and just log you in. 'seatbelt' will populate the fields but not hit submit.
  186. [21:29:15] <donomo> i can stop telling people to remember some long-ish url and say sign up with yahoo (or whoever) and at the openid prompt, say yahoo.com.
  187. [21:29:30] <donomo> im repeating myself. sorry.
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  190. [21:31:02] <donomo> thats freaking cool!!! :)
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  192. [21:32:01] <randomeis> so with all these sites joining open id, i'm now left with multiple open id idents, is there any way for me to consolidate them?
  193. [21:33:03] <harningt> creating a delegation is probably the best route
  194. [21:33:15] <Makenshi> randomeis: You should nag the providers to become consumers as well
  195. [21:33:36] <Makenshi> The more people that demand it, the more likely it will happen
  196. [21:33:37] <harningt> that way you can handle the fact that some OpenID providers could stop providing at some point... you don't want your accounts hanging by their whim
  197. [21:34:28] <Makenshi> I use the delegator at www.own-id.com for mine, so far so good :)
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  199. [21:35:27] <_keturn> randomeis: not really. If you get a chance to see Joseph Smarr or Chris Messina talk about friends list portability, they have some very practical suggestions about how we can help applications do that sort of consolidation,
  200. [21:36:06] <_keturn> but it's not something that's currently in practice.
  201. [21:36:25] <Makenshi> The next useful thing will be a way to provide authorized access to one's foaf data to certain applications
  202. [21:38:04] <randomeis> so i point the seperate idents to a subdomain of my own site?
  203. [21:39:03] <Makenshi> randomeis: you use id.yourdomain as your openid url, and refer it to your chosen openid provider for authentication
  204. [21:39:52] <randomeis> i won't get any message saying that it is already in use after my first one?
  205. [21:40:11] <Makenshi> Not sure what you mean
  206. [21:41:38] <randomeis> would i tie say my LJ, Yahoo, and Google OpenID idents to it?
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  208. [21:41:57] <Makenshi> Ah, no, just one
  209. [21:42:08] <Makenshi> The others are irrelevant
  210. [21:43:31] <randomeis> so even though they are OpenID Idents, they are kind of just the same as they were before when they were not?
  211. [21:43:48] <randomeis> since they were created seperately
  212. [21:44:32] <Makenshi> Yes.. the point of openid is generally to have one openid that you use everywhere
  213. [21:44:48] <Makenshi> having an openid account on every site would be the same as having a login on every site
  214. [21:46:06] <randomeis> so if i made a new openID Ident, I could use it on all of the sites?
  215. [21:46:37] <Makenshi> You can use it on any site that supports OpenID as a consumer (or "relying party")
  216. [21:47:02] <Makenshi> Unfortunately not all providers do that yet, and some that do treat openid users as second class (looking at you, livejournal)
  217. [21:47:55] <randomeis> in a perfect world is that what OpenID is trying to do?
  218. [21:48:25] <Makenshi> randomeis: right :)
  219. [21:48:55] <donomo> i look forward to when one of the sites i actually use daily adopts openid
  220. [21:49:04] <donomo> can you hear me kevin rose?
  221. [21:51:45] <Makenshi> Amen.. He said they would support it on digg this time last year
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  228. [23:16:05] <kylefox> Forgive me if this is a dumb question: how does a Relying Party (ex: ma.gnolia) know that I own the URL I specify as my identifier?
  229. [23:20:08] <_keturn> it looks up the URL to see what server it says is authoratitive for it, and then it asks the server that question
  230. [23:25:02] <flaccid> check out the spec kylefox :)
  231. [23:25:30] <kylefox> yeah, i was reading through it... i think the part i wanted said it's "out of the scope of this document"
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  233. [23:26:02] <kylefox> But I didn't realize it's up to the Replying Party to "map" an openID to a user in the database
  234. [23:26:40] <kylefox> I wondered how ma.gnolia knew to associate my OpenID with my ma.gnolia account -- but after investigating it, apparently I'd set it up previously and forgotten :)
  235. [23:26:51] <idnar> heh
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  238. [23:33:56] <flaccid> um maybe you missed the html and yardis discovery part, kylefox?
  239. [23:37:10] <flaccid> the RP just gets back a response from the OP on if the user was authenticated, then the RP can do whatever implementation they want of course

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