IRC Log for #openid on 2008-03-10
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- [02:30:02] <CloCkWeR1>
hey, stupid question. I am only dimly aware of what openid is/how it works; and all of a sudden I've got a .. livejournal, blogger, flickr, etc openid. How would I merge them? IE, I log into a site via the livejournal openid, but the next time (3 months later), I log in via my blogger one - I'm the same person, but how do I tell the site that (or am I just stuck with 'use a favourite or GTFO''
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- [03:16:49] <trel1023>
CloCkWeR1: that depends on the site you log into
- [03:17:01] <trel1023>
some of the sites are now allowing multiple openids per account
- [03:17:11] <trel1023>
so you can 'manage' your openids that way
- [03:17:18] <trel1023>
but it has to happen at each site you go to
- [03:17:27] <trel1023>
and it's up to them to handle those cases correctly
- [03:17:59] <trel1023>
there's no way for them to automatically detect/assume that you're the same person if/when you present two different openids
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- [04:28:25] <donomo>
the XHTML Friends Network defines a rel="me" attribute on 'a' tags
- [04:28:42] <donomo>
that could be one way for a site to visit openid A and determine its related to openid B
- [04:28:51] <donomo>
though there is probably some huge security hole there
- [04:29:17] <donomo>
reciprocal 'me' links would help add confidence
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anyone using ruby-openid?
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TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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- [13:13:17] <jibot>
TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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- [13:54:52] <Makenshi>
There's a lot of noise in the Blogosphere about Credentica's acquisition by Microsoft for their U-Prove technology
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- [19:08:51] <e_s_p>
Helllooooo, all
- [19:09:18] <e_s_p>
I need some free testing
- [19:09:53] <e_s_p>
http://wiki.evanprodromou.net/mw/index.php/Main_Page is a wiki with the new OpenID-2.0-enabled MediaWiki extension
- [19:10:29] <Makenshi>
e_s_p, what do you need exactly?
- [19:10:37] <e_s_p>
Break it!
- [19:10:38] <e_s_p>
B-)
- [19:11:23] <e_s_p>
I'd love to have people try logging in with OpenIDs from different providers, and/or logging into RPs using their accounts from this wiki
- [19:11:29] <Makenshi>
Break it? *g*
- [19:11:48] <e_s_p>
Well, break it nicely.
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- [19:25:48] <e_s_p>
AOL, Yahoo!, MyOpenID, certifi.ca, getopenid.com, typekey, ... they're all working OK.
- [19:26:46] <TedThibodeauJr>
hrm. do I need to `create account` before `login with openid`?
- [19:26:57] <e_s_p>
TedThibodeauJr: no
- [19:27:04] <TedThibodeauJr>
MyOpenLink fails with -- Verification of the OpenID URL failed. Error message: "$1"
- [19:27:11] <e_s_p>
Gar
- [19:27:17] <e_s_p>
That's a dumb error message!
- [19:28:55] <TedThibodeauJr>
you can get your own MyOpenLink OpenID to test with by registering here -- http://myopenlink.net/ -- and your ID will be -- http://myopenlink.net/dataspace/person/<username>
- [19:29:11] <e_s_p>
OK, great
- [19:29:16] <e_s_p>
Doing that right now!
- [19:29:59] <TedThibodeauJr>
:-)
- [19:30:11] <e_s_p>
Hmm
- [19:30:57] <e_s_p>
Worked for me
- [19:31:04] <e_s_p>
I should fix that error message, though
- [19:32:15] <TedThibodeauJr>
interesting. I'll try again. LJ worked fine, tho it didn't auto-select a nickname
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- [19:35:34] <TedThibodeauJr>
grr. I think I probably put in a bad password, but now it appears to be holding tight to a cookie
- [19:37:21] <e_s_p>
Oh, really?
- [19:37:50] <e_s_p>
LJ should be one it guesses a nickname from (from the hostname) pretty OK
- [19:40:36] <TedThibodeauJr>
it guessed the nickname, but wouldn't auto-apply ... which I suppose is actually preferred behavior
- [19:41:56] <Makenshi>
e_s_p, I cannot seem to find the page with which to manage my OpenID accounts
- [19:41:56] <TedThibodeauJr>
oh, strange ... this time -- same MyOpenLink URL -- no prompt for password, but successful verification!
- [19:42:52] <e_s_p>
Makenshi: as in, you're using this wiki as an OP, want to manage your trust relationship with other sites?
- [19:43:14] <Makenshi>
e_s_p, no, I have my own IDs
- [19:43:20] <e_s_p>
OK
- [19:43:21] <Makenshi>
your Wiki is an RP
- [19:43:24] <e_s_p>
Ah!
- [19:43:34] <e_s_p>
Have you logged in already using a local account?
- [19:43:42] <Makenshi>
No, I created a new account with one OpenID
- [19:43:48] <Makenshi>
I am now logged in
- [19:43:55] <e_s_p>
Oh, and you'd like to add multiple OpenIDs to the same account
- [19:44:07] <Makenshi>
e_s_p, right
- [19:44:15] <e_s_p>
It doesn't handle that case
- [19:44:33] <Makenshi>
It is broken, then :)
- [19:45:17] <e_s_p>
*sigh*
- [19:45:55] <e_s_p>
That's neither a requirement of being an RP, nor is it a documented best practice AFAIK
- [19:46:32] <Makenshi>
It is documented here: http://www.plaxo.com/api/openid_recipe
- [19:46:43] <e_s_p>
Ha ha
- [19:47:42] <e_s_p>
It's a nice-to-have feature, I've added it to my TODO file
- [19:47:59] <e_s_p>
but definitely a low priority
- [19:48:21] <e_s_p>
Thanks, though!
- [19:51:46] <Makenshi>
It is also here: http://wiki.openid.net/Relying_Party_Best_Practices#Many-to-one_relationship_between_Identity_URLs_and_.22user_accounts.22
- [19:51:48] <TedThibodeauJr>
I wish I could say whether my initial problem was on the MyOpenLink end or on yours...
- [19:52:12] <Makenshi>
You didn't look very far.
- [19:52:18] <e_s_p>
Well there you go
- [19:52:28] <e_s_p>
Makenshi: thanks
- [19:52:32] <Makenshi>
No problem :o)
- [19:54:25] <TedThibodeauJr>
*heh* so, log in with OpenID, then log out, then try to log in as local... imho, that *should* offer a direct way to log in with OpenID, not requiring a separate page.
- [19:54:49] <e_s_p>
TedThibodeauJr: eh?
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- [19:55:46] <e_s_p>
Oh, that the login page should have a "login with OpenID" form on it?
- [19:55:53] <TedThibodeauJr>
1. log in with OpenID, which causes creation of a user
- [19:55:53] <TedThibodeauJr>
2. log out
- [19:55:53] <TedThibodeauJr>
3. log in *as if local user* -- which prompts with user nickname from #1, but has no password, and doesn't make it clear that OpenID is available
- [19:55:57] <TedThibodeauJr>
yeah, that :-)
- [19:56:12] <TedThibodeauJr>
especially if that's how you created the account, that's how you should be prompted
- [19:56:40] <e_s_p>
How does it know what account you have, if you're logged out?
- [19:57:10] <TedThibodeauJr>
an excellent question. cookie, I'd guess.
- [19:57:46] <e_s_p>
If I've got a cookie (which I do), I'll just check-immediate you, anyways
- [19:57:51] <e_s_p>
Although I don't have that running yet
- [19:57:58] <Makenshi>
You should name the input element for open id logins "openid_url" which is the standard convention
- [19:58:48] <e_s_p>
yes, it is
- [19:58:51] <e_s_p>
And that's what it's named
- [19:59:41] <e_s_p>
TedThibodeauJr: anyways, one of the things about writing a plugin for existing software is that you only get so much control over the core implementation
- [20:00:12] <TedThibodeauJr>
truth. this is not directed critique, just "huh, that feels wrong"
- [20:00:25] <e_s_p>
The documentation string there can be overridden by local admins, but not by a plugin
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- [20:00:38] <e_s_p>
See here for a place where the admins have written better links: http://wikitravel.org/en/Special:Userlogin
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TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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