IRC Log for #openid on 2008-03-10

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  12. [02:30:02] <CloCkWeR1> hey, stupid question. I am only dimly aware of what openid is/how it works; and all of a sudden I've got a .. livejournal, blogger, flickr, etc openid. How would I merge them? IE, I log into a site via the livejournal openid, but the next time (3 months later), I log in via my blogger one - I'm the same person, but how do I tell the site that (or am I just stuck with 'use a favourite or GTFO''
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  18. [03:16:49] <trel1023> CloCkWeR1: that depends on the site you log into
  19. [03:17:01] <trel1023> some of the sites are now allowing multiple openids per account
  20. [03:17:11] <trel1023> so you can 'manage' your openids that way
  21. [03:17:18] <trel1023> but it has to happen at each site you go to
  22. [03:17:27] <trel1023> and it's up to them to handle those cases correctly
  23. [03:17:59] <trel1023> there's no way for them to automatically detect/assume that you're the same person if/when you present two different openids
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  25. [04:28:25] <donomo> the XHTML Friends Network defines a rel="me" attribute on 'a' tags
  26. [04:28:42] <donomo> that could be one way for a site to visit openid A and determine its related to openid B
  27. [04:28:51] <donomo> though there is probably some huge security hole there
  28. [04:29:17] <donomo> reciprocal 'me' links would help add confidence
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  31. [05:24:19] <mynyml> anyone using ruby-openid?
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  34. [06:07:11] <jibot> TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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  75. [13:13:17] <jibot> TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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  79. [13:54:52] <Makenshi> There's a lot of noise in the Blogosphere about Credentica's acquisition by Microsoft for their U-Prove technology
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  105. [19:08:51] <e_s_p> Helllooooo, all
  106. [19:09:18] <e_s_p> I need some free testing
  107. [19:09:53] <e_s_p> http://wiki.evanprodromou.net/mw/index.php/Main_Page is a wiki with the new OpenID-2.0-enabled MediaWiki extension
  108. [19:10:29] <Makenshi> e_s_p, what do you need exactly?
  109. [19:10:37] <e_s_p> Break it!
  110. [19:10:38] <e_s_p> B-)
  111. [19:11:23] <e_s_p> I'd love to have people try logging in with OpenIDs from different providers, and/or logging into RPs using their accounts from this wiki
  112. [19:11:29] <Makenshi> Break it? *g*
  113. [19:11:48] <e_s_p> Well, break it nicely.
  114. [19:12:02] * e_s_p runs his fingers around his collar, Dangerfield-style.
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  117. [19:25:48] <e_s_p> AOL, Yahoo!, MyOpenID, certifi.ca, getopenid.com, typekey, ... they're all working OK.
  118. [19:26:46] <TedThibodeauJr> hrm. do I need to `create account` before `login with openid`?
  119. [19:26:57] <e_s_p> TedThibodeauJr: no
  120. [19:27:04] <TedThibodeauJr> MyOpenLink fails with -- Verification of the OpenID URL failed. Error message: "$1"
  121. [19:27:11] <e_s_p> Gar
  122. [19:27:17] <e_s_p> That's a dumb error message!
  123. [19:28:55] <TedThibodeauJr> you can get your own MyOpenLink OpenID to test with by registering here -- http://myopenlink.net/ -- and your ID will be -- http://myopenlink.net/dataspace/person/<username>
  124. [19:29:11] <e_s_p> OK, great
  125. [19:29:16] <e_s_p> Doing that right now!
  126. [19:29:59] <TedThibodeauJr> :-)
  127. [19:30:11] <e_s_p> Hmm
  128. [19:30:57] <e_s_p> Worked for me
  129. [19:31:04] <e_s_p> I should fix that error message, though
  130. [19:32:15] <TedThibodeauJr> interesting. I'll try again. LJ worked fine, tho it didn't auto-select a nickname
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  133. [19:35:34] <TedThibodeauJr> grr. I think I probably put in a bad password, but now it appears to be holding tight to a cookie
  134. [19:37:21] <e_s_p> Oh, really?
  135. [19:37:50] <e_s_p> LJ should be one it guesses a nickname from (from the hostname) pretty OK
  136. [19:40:36] <TedThibodeauJr> it guessed the nickname, but wouldn't auto-apply ... which I suppose is actually preferred behavior
  137. [19:41:56] <Makenshi> e_s_p, I cannot seem to find the page with which to manage my OpenID accounts
  138. [19:41:56] <TedThibodeauJr> oh, strange ... this time -- same MyOpenLink URL -- no prompt for password, but successful verification!
  139. [19:42:52] <e_s_p> Makenshi: as in, you're using this wiki as an OP, want to manage your trust relationship with other sites?
  140. [19:43:14] <Makenshi> e_s_p, no, I have my own IDs
  141. [19:43:20] <e_s_p> OK
  142. [19:43:21] <Makenshi> your Wiki is an RP
  143. [19:43:24] <e_s_p> Ah!
  144. [19:43:34] <e_s_p> Have you logged in already using a local account?
  145. [19:43:42] <Makenshi> No, I created a new account with one OpenID
  146. [19:43:48] <Makenshi> I am now logged in
  147. [19:43:55] <e_s_p> Oh, and you'd like to add multiple OpenIDs to the same account
  148. [19:44:07] <Makenshi> e_s_p, right
  149. [19:44:15] <e_s_p> It doesn't handle that case
  150. [19:44:33] <Makenshi> It is broken, then :)
  151. [19:45:17] <e_s_p> *sigh*
  152. [19:45:55] <e_s_p> That's neither a requirement of being an RP, nor is it a documented best practice AFAIK
  153. [19:46:32] <Makenshi> It is documented here: http://www.plaxo.com/api/openid_recipe
  154. [19:46:43] <e_s_p> Ha ha
  155. [19:47:42] <e_s_p> It's a nice-to-have feature, I've added it to my TODO file
  156. [19:47:59] <e_s_p> but definitely a low priority
  157. [19:48:21] <e_s_p> Thanks, though!
  158. [19:51:46] <Makenshi> It is also here: http://wiki.openid.net/Relying_Party_Best_Practices#Many-to-one_relationship_between_Identity_URLs_and_.22user_accounts.22
  159. [19:51:48] <TedThibodeauJr> I wish I could say whether my initial problem was on the MyOpenLink end or on yours...
  160. [19:52:12] <Makenshi> You didn't look very far.
  161. [19:52:18] <e_s_p> Well there you go
  162. [19:52:28] <e_s_p> Makenshi: thanks
  163. [19:52:32] <Makenshi> No problem :o)
  164. [19:54:25] <TedThibodeauJr> *heh* so, log in with OpenID, then log out, then try to log in as local... imho, that *should* offer a direct way to log in with OpenID, not requiring a separate page.
  165. [19:54:49] <e_s_p> TedThibodeauJr: eh?
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  167. [19:55:46] <e_s_p> Oh, that the login page should have a "login with OpenID" form on it?
  168. [19:55:53] <TedThibodeauJr> 1. log in with OpenID, which causes creation of a user
  169. [19:55:53] <TedThibodeauJr> 2. log out
  170. [19:55:53] <TedThibodeauJr> 3. log in *as if local user* -- which prompts with user nickname from #1, but has no password, and doesn't make it clear that OpenID is available
  171. [19:55:57] <TedThibodeauJr> yeah, that :-)
  172. [19:56:12] <TedThibodeauJr> especially if that's how you created the account, that's how you should be prompted
  173. [19:56:40] <e_s_p> How does it know what account you have, if you're logged out?
  174. [19:57:10] <TedThibodeauJr> an excellent question. cookie, I'd guess.
  175. [19:57:46] <e_s_p> If I've got a cookie (which I do), I'll just check-immediate you, anyways
  176. [19:57:51] <e_s_p> Although I don't have that running yet
  177. [19:57:58] <Makenshi> You should name the input element for open id logins "openid_url" which is the standard convention
  178. [19:58:48] <e_s_p> yes, it is
  179. [19:58:51] <e_s_p> And that's what it's named
  180. [19:59:41] <e_s_p> TedThibodeauJr: anyways, one of the things about writing a plugin for existing software is that you only get so much control over the core implementation
  181. [20:00:12] <TedThibodeauJr> truth. this is not directed critique, just "huh, that feels wrong"
  182. [20:00:25] <e_s_p> The documentation string there can be overridden by local admins, but not by a plugin
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  184. [20:00:38] <e_s_p> See here for a place where the admins have written better links: http://wikitravel.org/en/Special:Userlogin
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