IRC Log for #openid on 2008-04-07

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  36. [10:53:20] <nicomen> greetings
  37. [10:53:48] <nicomen> I need a standalone consumer I can install locally without too many dependencies to test an openid server, suggestions?
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  53. [13:14:44] <jibot> TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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  68. [15:34:33] <donomo> nicomen: drupal
  69. [15:35:05] <nicomen> donomo: wouldn't that depend on mysql, php, apache etc?
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  71. [15:35:19] <donomo> nicomen: yes.
  72. [15:35:36] <donomo> that seems like not too many dependencies to me :)
  73. [15:35:52] <nicomen> can you have more dependencies? ;D
  74. [15:36:10] <donomo> sure. obscure php pear modules
  75. [15:36:18] <donomo> memcache
  76. [15:36:28] <donomo> ruby
  77. [15:36:54] <donomo> drupal is like 4 clicks to setup after unzipping
  78. [15:39:11] <nicomen> really?
  79. [15:39:21] <nicomen> apt-get install drupal?
  80. [15:39:44] <donomo> well maybe its a bit more complicatied that that. it asks for the mysql login information and db name.
  81. [15:39:49] <donomo> im not sure if there is a deb package
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  83. [15:43:01] <nicomen> hehe ok
  84. [15:43:06] <nicomen> trying out poidsy first
  85. [15:43:36] <donomo> neat.
  86. [15:44:04] <donomo> oh hey if you want a consumer, why not login at one of the existing sites that take openid?
  87. [15:44:19] <donomo> rather than setup your own deal, just login to jyte.com or something
  88. [15:47:25] <nicomen> donomo: because my server is not available from the interwebs ;)
  89. [15:47:33] <nicomen> but poidsy seemed to work out of the box-ish
  90. [15:47:39] <nicomen> untar in /var/www that is ;)
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  96. [16:35:16] <zodiak> nicomen jst install Net::OpenID::Consumer under perl and then you can use LWP to 'request' against the server
  97. [16:35:50] <zodiak> in that way, you can even stress-test your server by using multi-threads ;)
  98. [16:37:26] <keturn> there are also example consumers that will serve well enough for testing purposes in each of the example libraries at openidenabled.com (ruby, php, python)
  99. [16:38:51] <keturn> I guess the ruby one depends on rails, the python one depends on django, and the php one depends on php... but they're pretty quick to get running.
  100. [16:39:43] <zodiak> actually, I believe that the ruby one works from ruby, you don't need to install rails
  101. [16:40:35] <zodiak> if it doesn't, I will shoot whoever called it a 'Ruby' library rather than Rails plugin ;
  102. [16:40:37] <zodiak> ;)
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  104. [16:41:33] <keturn> well, the *library* doesn't require rails, but the running example that we use to show how you would actually use that library in a web application does
  105. [16:44:50] <nicomen> zodiak: that one doesn't actually try to authenticate for real
  106. [16:44:58] <nicomen> I have it already running
  107. [16:45:48] <keturn> zodiak: but I'm glad to hear someone say that, because there are a heck of a lot of people who look at me like I have three heads when I say ruby-openid doesn't have tighter rails integration because there are people who use ruby but *not rails*
  108. [16:46:02] <keturn> they think I'm making that up ;)
  109. [16:49:16] <zodiak> keturn well, your probably talking to one of the rubyists out there .. I started with ruby about 6 years back now, I like the influx from rails - surely - but, there are a -lot- of people who think Rails -is- Ruby .. and that ..well.
  110. [16:49:23] <zodiak> you have my vote, for what it's worth :)
  111. [16:50:08] <zodiak> nicomen are you sure ? there is probably some 'test' switch in the README or.. some such. I can't imagine anyone would release a library that couldn't authenticate 'for real' ;p
  112. [16:54:16] <nicomen> zodiak: sorry I mis-spoke
  113. [16:54:47] <nicomen> I was referring to Test::OpenID::Consumer
  114. [16:57:08] <zodiak> nicomen ah, not a problem, but you definitely want Net::OpenID.. etcetc ;>
  115. [16:58:57] <nicomen> zodiak: yeah I'm using the Server part
  116. [16:59:03] <nicomen> the documentation is scarce though
  117. [16:59:20] <nicomen> and I have still not found any examples or tutorials
  118. [16:59:33] <nicomen> it's almost easier to just implement the oid spec oneself
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  120. [17:00:37] <zodiak> sort of agreed.. in the case of consumer, it's always a good idea to read the pod documentation (either man Net::OpenID::Consumer, http://search.cpan.org/~bradfitz/Net-OpenID-Consumer-0.14/lib/Net/OpenID/Consumer.pm or if you podweb installed - use that ;)
  121. [17:01:08] <zodiak> there is a step by step perl example on the consumer.pm ;)
  122. [17:02:40] <zodiak> perl -MCPAN -e 'install Pod::Webserver' - best thing I did since I started using Smart::Comments ;>
  123. [17:03:35] <nicomen> yeah it's the server part I'm struggling with
  124. [17:03:54] <zodiak> oh .. *blinks* sorry, I thought you were looking for a consumer. my bad.
  125. [17:04:32] <nicomen> I do, but only to test my implementation of the server ;)
  126. [17:05:11] <zodiak> ah :D
  127. [17:05:36] <nicomen> wow, smart::comments <3
  128. [17:06:27] <zodiak> yup, Smart::Comments is ab-so-lutely a brilliant idea (like Class::Contract .. which is ripped straight from Eiffel ;)
  129. [17:09:04] <zodiak> sorry that I can't help you on the server part, I haven't been particularly "motivated" to do that myself. I mostly stick to the consumer side of things.
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