IRC Log for #openid on 2008-04-23

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  18. [05:18:31] <jibot> TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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  30. [08:12:32] <grvdx4> guthery
  31. [08:12:43] <grvdx4> vpslg
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  76. [14:15:20] <jibot> TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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  79. [14:37:52] <tils> Can anyone think of a good example of a site that allows for optional use of openid instead of username password? I am having trouble with how to lay out the flow on an account edit page where username should only be validated when openid is not present
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  82. [14:53:30] <Skags> No discussion going on?
  83. [15:00:05] <flaccid> correct
  84. [15:12:31] <Skags> so is identity verified with openID?
  85. [15:13:28] <Skags> are there openID accounts that validate against a countries citizenship records?
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  87. [15:33:52] <TedThibodeauJr> first there would need to be a country making such a validation service accessible...
  88. [15:37:45] <keturn> https://openid.ee/about/english
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  90. [15:41:13] <Skags> yeah I suppose its a ways out
  91. [15:42:50] <Chaz6> keturn: it is a great idea, but all we have to go in is the website, unless you know of any endorsements from the Estonian government. Their ssl certificate is from godaddy who i wouldn't trust with a mouldy potato
  92. [15:43:09] <Skags> I eventually want discussion functionality on the government website I run, but currently we can't because any moderation violates first amendment rights
  93. [15:43:31] <Skags> So I'm looking for a good way to verify people identity in order to let them comment
  94. [15:43:54] <Skags> removing anonymity may remove the likelyhood of people being vulgar / making threats etc.
  95. [15:44:23] <keturn> ...because no-one you know in real life is vulgar?
  96. [15:44:38] <keturn> because nobody makes threats to people they know? that sounds like quite a long shot.
  97. [15:44:48] <Skags> its a lot easier to be vulgar when you're anonymous
  98. [15:45:43] <keturn> For some people. Others don't think twice about it either way.
  99. [15:46:03] <Chaz6> buffer 21
  100. [15:46:07] <Chaz6> Oops
  101. [15:46:12] <Skags> its their first amendment right to be vulgar, but they have to be able to stand by what they said
  102. [15:46:27] <keturn> I'm also highly skeptical of this "can't have moderation because it's unconstitutional" argument
  103. [15:46:54] <Chaz6> Right, you will need some way to verify their identity, and that's usuall something they have like a smart card, unless your government keeps biometrics
  104. [15:47:12] <Skags> its been ruled by various courts around the country that a government run website constitutes a public forum
  105. [15:48:01] <keturn> and that's different in character from a website run by anyone else, or a newspaper?
  106. [15:48:10] <Skags> yes it is
  107. [15:50:09] <Skags> any other website or newspaper does not have the obligation to the citizens that the government has
  108. [15:51:49] <Skags> I was hoping openID was in a position to provide such a verification service, but it was wishful thinking
  109. [15:52:31] <Skags> I think thats going to be a few years away with maybe the "real ID" initiative
  110. [15:55:40] <Chaz6> Skags: that's down to the provider, openid in itself is just a specification
  111. [15:57:19] <Skags> meaning I could verify a user, and once verified I could issue them an openID for my domain
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  113. [15:58:38] <Skags> the only problem is the resources my office would have to put in place to verify the user
  114. [15:59:20] <Skags> potentially I could find a provider that does verification, which issues verified Open IDs
  115. [15:59:23] <Skags> ?
  116. [16:00:26] <Chaz6> Skags: sure, but you could use any authentication system, not just openid
  117. [16:00:55] <Skags> ok I see what you're saying
  118. [16:01:00] <Skags> thanks for clearing that up
  119. [16:02:33] <Chaz6> No problem, I hope it's been of some use
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  183. [23:15:08] <jibot> TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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