IRC Log for #openid on 2008-04-23
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TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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guthery
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vpslg
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TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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- [14:37:52] <tils>
Can anyone think of a good example of a site that allows for optional use of openid instead of username password? I am having trouble with how to lay out the flow on an account edit page where username should only be validated when openid is not present
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- [14:53:30] <Skags>
No discussion going on?
- [15:00:05] <flaccid>
correct
- [15:12:31] <Skags>
so is identity verified with openID?
- [15:13:28] <Skags>
are there openID accounts that validate against a countries citizenship records?
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- [15:33:52] <TedThibodeauJr>
first there would need to be a country making such a validation service accessible...
- [15:37:45] <keturn>
https://openid.ee/about/english
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- [15:41:13] <Skags>
yeah I suppose its a ways out
- [15:42:50] <Chaz6>
keturn: it is a great idea, but all we have to go in is the website, unless you know of any endorsements from the Estonian government. Their ssl certificate is from godaddy who i wouldn't trust with a mouldy potato
- [15:43:09] <Skags>
I eventually want discussion functionality on the government website I run, but currently we can't because any moderation violates first amendment rights
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So I'm looking for a good way to verify people identity in order to let them comment
- [15:43:54] <Skags>
removing anonymity may remove the likelyhood of people being vulgar / making threats etc.
- [15:44:23] <keturn>
...because no-one you know in real life is vulgar?
- [15:44:38] <keturn>
because nobody makes threats to people they know? that sounds like quite a long shot.
- [15:44:48] <Skags>
its a lot easier to be vulgar when you're anonymous
- [15:45:43] <keturn>
For some people. Others don't think twice about it either way.
- [15:46:03] <Chaz6>
buffer 21
- [15:46:07] <Chaz6>
Oops
- [15:46:12] <Skags>
its their first amendment right to be vulgar, but they have to be able to stand by what they said
- [15:46:27] <keturn>
I'm also highly skeptical of this "can't have moderation because it's unconstitutional" argument
- [15:46:54] <Chaz6>
Right, you will need some way to verify their identity, and that's usuall something they have like a smart card, unless your government keeps biometrics
- [15:47:12] <Skags>
its been ruled by various courts around the country that a government run website constitutes a public forum
- [15:48:01] <keturn>
and that's different in character from a website run by anyone else, or a newspaper?
- [15:48:10] <Skags>
yes it is
- [15:50:09] <Skags>
any other website or newspaper does not have the obligation to the citizens that the government has
- [15:51:49] <Skags>
I was hoping openID was in a position to provide such a verification service, but it was wishful thinking
- [15:52:31] <Skags>
I think thats going to be a few years away with maybe the "real ID" initiative
- [15:55:40] <Chaz6>
Skags: that's down to the provider, openid in itself is just a specification
- [15:57:19] <Skags>
meaning I could verify a user, and once verified I could issue them an openID for my domain
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- [15:58:38] <Skags>
the only problem is the resources my office would have to put in place to verify the user
- [15:59:20] <Skags>
potentially I could find a provider that does verification, which issues verified Open IDs
- [15:59:23] <Skags>
?
- [16:00:26] <Chaz6>
Skags: sure, but you could use any authentication system, not just openid
- [16:00:55] <Skags>
ok I see what you're saying
- [16:01:00] <Skags>
thanks for clearing that up
- [16:02:33] <Chaz6>
No problem, I hope it's been of some use
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TedThibodeauJr is a Technology Evangelist from http://www.openlinksw.com/ and a Troublemaker from Way Back
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