IRC Log for #openid on 2009-09-29
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- [02:08:26] <openstandards> 
flaccid, no opends is a ldap server written in java suppose to be quite fast
 
- [02:12:27] <flaccid> 
so that is a yes
 
- [02:12:47] <flaccid> 
it is an ldap server - which was my question
 
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- [02:37:08] <openstandards> 
sorry its late in the uk wasn't reading properly 
 
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- [03:06:13] <flaccid> 
:)
 
- [03:09:32] <karstensrage> 
what :)?
 
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- [04:19:36] <Shurane> 
Is implementing OpenID in php as simple as specifying a form?
 
- [04:30:20] <flaccid> 
no
 
- [04:32:07] <Shurane> 
a lot more to it? I don't know where to start...
 
- [04:35:59] <flaccid> 
there is http://openid.net/ for info, there is the openid specification and there is software like php-openid that provides and example server
 
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- [06:15:17] <Shurane> 
I'm not using php-openid since I'd have to recompile php with gmp (or get bcmath)
 
- [06:15:41] <Shurane> 
I'm looking at the kohana module right now
 
- [06:25:03] <flaccid> 
well you can use whatever you want..
 
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- [07:16:38] <Brend> 
I'm guessing there's a reason php-openid needs the math stuff
 
- [07:16:51] <Brend> 
Like that it does a bunch of math (for DH key exchange) that will be ridiculously inefficient without it.
 
- [07:16:52] <flaccid> 
openid uses crypto
 
- [07:17:00] <flaccid> 
yeah
 
- [07:17:11] <Brend> 
So just recompiling PHP with that stuff seems like a better plan
 
- [07:17:44] <flaccid> 
yeah thats what i did. you should be able to add a mod for gmp
 
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- [08:18:37] <Shurane> 
I guess recompiling would be the better thing, but... I'm not very fond of compiling things on Windows
 
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- [09:22:48] <Shurane> 
JanRain's RPX sure looks like a simple solution to implementing OpenID
 
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- [10:39:14] <flaccid> 
Shurane: i wouldn't use windows. rpx is good but free version is limited
 
- [10:41:03] <Shurane> 
Yeah, I figured as much
 
- [10:41:15] <Shurane> 
I'm kind of stuck with windows for the time being (at least until I get past the coming deadline)
 
- [10:41:44] <flaccid> 
sounds like a hard situation :o
 
- [10:41:46] <Shurane> 
I'm going to use rpx as a temporary solution
 
- [10:41:59] <flaccid> 
just make sure the limitations of rpx if you are using free you are aware about
 
- [10:42:16] <Shurane> 
oh like the privacy policy or whatever I agree to?
 
- [10:42:29] <flaccid> 
no, what rpx actually provides
 
- [10:43:16] <Shurane> 
Well right now, I'm just giving a demonstration that I can implement OpenID
 
- [10:43:52] <Shurane> 
You could say it's a crash course in php, javascript, and sql.
 
- [10:44:02] <flaccid> 
well if implementing in your case is using a turnkey solution, then cool
 
- [10:44:07] <Shurane> 
I've not done web programming before.
 
- [10:44:11] <flaccid> 
right
 
- [10:44:26] <flaccid> 
and this is your job ?
 
- [10:44:39] <Shurane> 
haha, maybe if I can pick this up
 
- [10:45:17] <flaccid> 
:)
 
- [10:46:26] <Shurane> 
Oh hey look, xampp's got bcmath in it
 
- [10:50:36] <flaccid> 
i don't see the issue with gmp
 
- [11:05:20] <Shurane> 
Say, I've got a PHP question. If I use include or require on another file, do I end up running that file or importing its functions?
 
- [11:07:30] <Shurane> 
Well... recompiling php seems like I need... Microsoft VC6 or above,  Visual Studio .NET or whatever it may be, some Platform SDK tools... etc
 
- [11:07:54] <Shurane> 
It just seemed too much to recompile php
 
- [11:08:13] <Shurane> 
that's what the win32 readme in the php tarball says...
 
- [11:08:52] <Shurane> 
I guess this isn't the right place to ask for php, but I hope you don't mind.
 
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- [11:15:23] <Shurane> 
Ah, I see what a turnkey solution is.
 
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- [11:20:24] <Shurane> 
Nevermind, getting this done one step at a time.
 
- [11:20:36] <flaccid> 
Shurane: both
 
- [11:20:56] <flaccid> 
don't see what microsoft has to do with compiling php
 
- [11:21:29] <Shurane> 
Well, to use it with the windows xampp, I'd figure you need to do that?
 
- [11:22:00] <flaccid> 
you should be able to get a pecl extension or something
 
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- [11:22:52] <Shurane> 
What makes pecl different from pear? I couldn't find gmp (but I did find a biginteger extension) in pear.
 
- [11:23:00] <flaccid> 
actually who knows. if someone doesn't compile it on windows, then you have to. doesn't mean you need to use microsoft compilation
 
- [11:23:07] <Shurane> 
True
 
- [11:23:30] <flaccid> 
can't even remember what pecl stands for sorry
 
- [11:23:41] <Shurane> 
haha
 
- [11:24:00] <flaccid> 
why dont you just boot a linux or something
 
- [11:25:47] <Shurane> 
I guess I don't feel like restarting at the moment and thought I could get by with xampp
 
- [11:28:37] <flaccid> 
yeah, python doesn't have this problem :o
 
- [11:29:31] <Shurane> 
Psht, Python doesn't count =o
 
- [11:29:41] <flaccid> 
why ?
 
- [11:29:43] <Shurane> 
It has the unfair advantage of being fun and intuitive.
 
- [11:29:59] <flaccid> 
yes and thats part of the reason why i stopped doing php
 
- [11:30:55] <Shurane> 
There's a project that I want to do in Python/RubyOnRails, but I don't know if I'll pull that off
 
- [11:31:50] <Shurane> 
this OOP php looks a lot like java, though.
 
- [11:35:20] <flaccid> 
thats only because both php and c are derived languages and php copied a lot from c
 
- [11:35:30] <flaccid> 
i mean there is lots of similarities between a lot of languages
 
- [11:35:49] <flaccid> 
oop php is a waste of time. in python everything is an object, natively.
 
- [11:36:14] <Shurane> 
I know! Gosh, if only I were learning python.
 
- [11:36:33] <Shurane> 
er, *more* python.
 
- [11:36:41] <flaccid> 
its faster to learn python than to screw around with xampp
 
- [11:37:18] <Shurane> 
What do you do when someone wants php, though?
 
- [11:37:49] <Shurane> 
Say, by any one-in-a-million chance, do you use vim/emacs? Just curious.
 
- [11:37:58] <flaccid> 
you use a real mvc framework and make sure they understand the environment is available. if you don't have root or have windows, thats not acceptable
 
- [11:38:08] <flaccid> 
no i don't use vim or emacs
 
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- [12:00:15] * Topic is 'http://openid.net || Got OpenID library questions?  Check stackoverflow.com.'
 
- [12:00:15] * Set by keturn on Fri Jun 26 02:48:11 CEST 2009
 
- [12:00:31] <flaccid> 
yes and i am partially drunk
 
- [12:00:56] <Shurane> 
Haha, what time of night/morning is it where you are?
 
- [12:01:42] <flaccid> 
10:02pm
 
- [12:02:41] <Shurane> 
Too early in the morning over here, 8am more or less.
 
- [12:03:03] <flaccid> 
central time ?
 
- [12:04:26] <Shurane> 
close, eastern time
 
- [12:04:36] <Shurane> 
gmt -5
 
- [12:04:41] <flaccid> 
thats where i am
 
- [12:04:49] <flaccid> 
ah sorry ET
 
- [12:05:47] <flaccid> 
hmmmm
 
- [12:08:57] <Shurane> 
a question: with javascript or php, how do I ensure one action before I go on to the next action?
 
- [12:09:38] <Shurane> 
Or rather... with the rpx thing, I want it to pop up, and after signing in, I'd like to go ahead and collect and parse the data
 
- [12:09:42] <Shurane> 
I'm not sure on how to go about it.
 
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- [14:59:33] <PupenoG> 
Hello.
 
- [14:59:49] <PupenoG> 
Anyone using Rails to build OpenID consumers/relying parties apps?
 
- [15:02:08] <samsm> 
I've done that, but I'm super-rusty.
 
- [15:02:42] <samsm> 
Working on one right now, having to start from scratch. :P
 
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- [21:07:59] <dxtr> 
This might be the wrong channel, but I'll go ahead and ask anyway (Flame me if I'm totally off) - I'm kinda new to openid and I am wondering how one is using it effectively
 
- [21:08:37] <dxtr> 
I mean, I got an openid through myopenid.com - but it don't seem to work as it should. I got a certificate I installed in my browser (Opera 10) but when I'm trying it on, for example, Facebook it won't log me in
 
- [21:08:47] <dxtr> 
Wether or not I'm logged in at myopenid.com or not
 
- [21:11:16] <yangman> 
facebook has a very quirky (and, frankly broken) way of using openid
 
- [21:12:36] <dxtr> 
I figured
 
- [21:13:32] <dxtr> 
I noticed that I have the ability to write my.. ehm.. name (What's the url called?) and it just registers and/or logs me in
 
- [21:13:45] <yangman> 
identity
 
- [21:14:49] <yangman> 
facebook only operates in immediate mode, and forbids the user from actually interacting with the openid server when authenticating against facebook
 
- [21:15:27] <yangman> 
so, the server has to support sessions, and you need to make a 3rd-party cookie exception for your identity provider if blocking them is something you use
 
- [21:15:51] <yangman> 
on top of that, facebook always requests in identity_select mode, which makes no sense at all
 
- [21:16:26] <yangman> 
depending on the openid server, immediate + identity_select will always fail
 
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- [21:21:08] <dxtr> 
okay
 
- [21:21:53] <dxtr> 
I've always gotten this "wtf?"-feeling over Facebooks openid implementation
 
- [21:21:55] <yangman> 
and it only works from the main facebook page. not any of the subdomains, nor the loging page specifically
 
- [21:22:00] <yangman> 
so, yeah, broken
 
- [21:22:09] <dxtr> 
Hehe, so it's not me then :)
 
- [21:22:23] <dxtr> 
I thought I was the broken part of the chain
 
- [21:22:27] <dxtr> 
link*
 
- [21:22:44] <yangman> 
there's tons of other ones to try
 
- [21:23:03] <dxtr> 
openid providers you mean?
 
- [21:24:02] <yangman> 
consumers
 
- [21:24:23] <yangman> 
stackoverflow is, afaict, one of the few with good implementations
 
- [21:24:48] <yangman> 
there's also sourceforge.net, pastebin.ca, livejournal
 
- [21:25:17] <yangman> 
a handful of openid server testers
 
- [21:25:59] <dxtr> 
I'm quite happy with myopenid.com to be honest :)
 
- [21:26:14] <yangman> 
none of those are identity providers ;)
 
- [21:26:23] <yangman> 
well, maybe livejournal is. I don't recall
 
- [21:26:48] <dxtr> 
Yeah, I know they aren't :P
 
- [21:26:55] <dxtr> 
Just a random comment
 
- [21:27:31] <yangman> 
indeed
 
- [21:28:12] <dxtr> 
I was testing to see what the reactions would be. Often when I find something I like I get reactions like "DON'T USE THAT FOR HEAVENS SAKE!" and people list every possible thing that's broken with it that I haven't noticed yet
 
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- [21:28:59] <yangman> 
yeah, I don't understand why so many are broken
 
- [21:29:21] <yangman> 
the specs can be better, sure, but it's not exactly ambiguous
 
- [21:30:40] <dxtr> 
hehe
 
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- [23:37:59] <jaquer> 
Is there an alternative site to check an OpenID setup? The pages on openidenabled are giving me a 503 error.
 
- [23:39:13] <jaquer> 
I tried this one: http://www.wasab.dk/morten/2007/11/openid/ and it's failing. All it's telling me is "OpenID authentication failed: No matching endpoint found after discovering http://jaquer.net/"
 
- [23:39:28] <jaquer> 
I'm trying to figure out where the error lies.
 
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- [23:45:34] <yangman> 
jaquer: works fine with my local test consumer
 
- [23:48:45] <jaquer> 
I got a more detailed error when trying to stackoverflow: http://pastebin.com/m168f41bd
 
- [23:49:07] <jaquer> 
I think th error lies in the ProviderEndpoint mismatch, one has a trailing slash and the other doesn't.
 
- [23:49:20] <jaquer> 
* trying to login into stackoverflow
 
- [23:54:37] <yangman> 
yup
 
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