IRC Log for #openid on 2010-02-01

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  76. [23:05:13] <ronny> hi
  77. [23:05:44] <ronny> are there any plans to get openid more simple to implement? the current spec is quite a bummer
  78. [23:13:01] <yangman> how so?
  79. [23:13:43] <yangman> aside from what happens during discovery phase, the protocol is actually very simple
  80. [23:14:15] <yangman> and discovery is mostly hand-waving away to "do Yadis", which is quite a different can of worms :\
  81. [23:22:32] <ronny> yangman: the spec doesnt exactly decoy simplicity
  82. [23:24:08] <yangman> turns out securing a protocol is complicated ;)
  83. [23:24:23] <yangman> the specification itself isn't easy to read, though, I have to say
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  85. [23:25:16] <ronny> yangman: the spec is quite a horrible read, tends to confuse me badly
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  87. [23:28:30] <yangman> well, this would be the place to ask if you need clarifications
  88. [23:28:38] <ronny> ok
  89. [23:29:23] <ronny> i'll take a look at implementing a pythonic producer/consumer lib
  90. [23:30:44] <yangman> not happy with python-openid? ;)
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  92. [23:36:54] <ronny> yangman: feels like java
  93. [23:37:06] <ronny> yangman: a python lib shouldnt feel like java
  94. [23:37:07] <yangman> php, actually
  95. [23:37:18] <yangman> it's basically a straight port of the janrain php openid library
  96. [23:37:21] <yangman> and, yes, it's quite horrid
  97. [23:37:28] <ronny> i see
  98. [23:37:29] <yangman> I've been meaning to fork it for quite a while
  99. [23:37:47] <ronny> i'll just write a new one i guess
  100. [23:38:02] <ronny> i suppose these days one needs openid, oauth and yardis
  101. [23:39:23] <yangman> would be easier to rewrite if you don't care about API compatability
  102. [23:39:39] <yangman> I only wanted to fork it because I didn't want to write one from scratch
  103. [23:39:50] <yangman> the code is a labyrinth, especially discovery
  104. [23:41:23] <ronny> i want simplicity, and examples
  105. [23:41:33] <ronny> and the right to break the api a few times to get it right
  106. [23:41:54] <ronny> premature api stability is quite a bummer
  107. [23:46:55] <keturn> yangman: vice-versa. The PHP lib is a port of the Python one.
  108. [23:48:07] <keturn> ronny: yeah... API stability is hard.
  109. [23:48:22] <yangman> keturn: ah. bad assumption on my part, then
  110. [23:50:03] <ronny> keturn: good apis are very very hard to do
  111. [23:50:30] <keturn> but, regardless of the library internals and the whole openid.discover.discover.YadisDiscoveryManager.discovery.discoverYadis() fiasco, the user-facing bits of the API are relatively small.
  112. [23:51:20] <ronny> keturn: well, it seems a complete mindrape when trying to figure how to create custom produes/consumers
  113. [23:51:48] <keturn> I'd be curious to see your proposal for an improved API there. The current thing was awkward, but I never found anything that was obviously better and completely framework-independent.
  114. [23:52:28] <ronny> well, i need it to work with wsgi, werkzeug in particular
  115. [23:56:23] <keturn> hmm. does werkzeug have a standard method of supporting browser sessions?
  116. [23:57:52] <ronny> it has some tools for hmac-secured clientside sessions and serverside stored sessions

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