IRC Log for #openid on 2010-02-01
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- [23:05:13] <ronny>
hi
- [23:05:44] <ronny>
are there any plans to get openid more simple to implement? the current spec is quite a bummer
- [23:13:01] <yangman>
how so?
- [23:13:43] <yangman>
aside from what happens during discovery phase, the protocol is actually very simple
- [23:14:15] <yangman>
and discovery is mostly hand-waving away to "do Yadis", which is quite a different can of worms :\
- [23:22:32] <ronny>
yangman: the spec doesnt exactly decoy simplicity
- [23:24:08] <yangman>
turns out securing a protocol is complicated ;)
- [23:24:23] <yangman>
the specification itself isn't easy to read, though, I have to say
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- [23:25:16] <ronny>
yangman: the spec is quite a horrible read, tends to confuse me badly
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- [23:28:30] <yangman>
well, this would be the place to ask if you need clarifications
- [23:28:38] <ronny>
ok
- [23:29:23] <ronny>
i'll take a look at implementing a pythonic producer/consumer lib
- [23:30:44] <yangman>
not happy with python-openid? ;)
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- [23:36:54] <ronny>
yangman: feels like java
- [23:37:06] <ronny>
yangman: a python lib shouldnt feel like java
- [23:37:07] <yangman>
php, actually
- [23:37:18] <yangman>
it's basically a straight port of the janrain php openid library
- [23:37:21] <yangman>
and, yes, it's quite horrid
- [23:37:28] <ronny>
i see
- [23:37:29] <yangman>
I've been meaning to fork it for quite a while
- [23:37:47] <ronny>
i'll just write a new one i guess
- [23:38:02] <ronny>
i suppose these days one needs openid, oauth and yardis
- [23:39:23] <yangman>
would be easier to rewrite if you don't care about API compatability
- [23:39:39] <yangman>
I only wanted to fork it because I didn't want to write one from scratch
- [23:39:50] <yangman>
the code is a labyrinth, especially discovery
- [23:41:23] <ronny>
i want simplicity, and examples
- [23:41:33] <ronny>
and the right to break the api a few times to get it right
- [23:41:54] <ronny>
premature api stability is quite a bummer
- [23:46:55] <keturn>
yangman: vice-versa. The PHP lib is a port of the Python one.
- [23:48:07] <keturn>
ronny: yeah... API stability is hard.
- [23:48:22] <yangman>
keturn: ah. bad assumption on my part, then
- [23:50:03] <ronny>
keturn: good apis are very very hard to do
- [23:50:30] <keturn>
but, regardless of the library internals and the whole openid.discover.discover.YadisDiscoveryManager.discovery.discoverYadis() fiasco, the user-facing bits of the API are relatively small.
- [23:51:20] <ronny>
keturn: well, it seems a complete mindrape when trying to figure how to create custom produes/consumers
- [23:51:48] <keturn>
I'd be curious to see your proposal for an improved API there. The current thing was awkward, but I never found anything that was obviously better and completely framework-independent.
- [23:52:28] <ronny>
well, i need it to work with wsgi, werkzeug in particular
- [23:56:23] <keturn>
hmm. does werkzeug have a standard method of supporting browser sessions?
- [23:57:52] <ronny>
it has some tools for hmac-secured clientside sessions and serverside stored sessions
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