IRC Log for #microformats on 2005-12-16
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3320 * DavidJanes * (+519) Implementations -
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karlUshi is karlcow
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- [01:54:16] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
- [01:56:22] <dmose>
so tantek, why should i want to prefer XHTML to HTML?
- [01:59:54] <KevinMarks>
valid xml makes some people happy
- [02:01:10] * dmose chuckles
- [02:01:12] <dmose>
that is true
- [02:01:39] <kingryan>
dmose, you can use xml tools with it, then
- [02:01:50] <dmose>
well, i should give some more context
- [02:01:56] <bkdelong>
Hey tabtek!
- [02:02:00] <bkdelong>
er tantek
- [02:02:01] <dmose>
i don't mean "what advantages does it have"
- [02:02:14] <dmose>
but rather, right now, sunbird exports HTML
- [02:02:40] <dmose>
and i'm trying to understand what the right thing to do in general is
- [02:02:41] <dmose>
ie
- [02:02:46] <dmose>
export only HTML
- [02:02:49] <dmose>
or only XHTML
- [02:02:50] <dmose>
or both
- [02:03:16] <dmose>
i can think of moderately compelling arguments for making any of those choices
- [02:03:38] <dmose>
so i'm interested in hearing other opinions
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- [02:05:13] <bkdelong>
In what context?
- [02:06:06] <bkdelong>
I mean, with XHTML we can do transformations to other forms of XML. For instance, with XFN + XHTML you could most likely do a transformation to FOAF....
- [02:06:20] <bkdelong>
Or are you talking something completely different and am I being patronizing? :)
- [02:07:00] <dmose>
well, sort of different
- [02:07:08] <dmose>
but those are good points as well
- [02:10:13] <bkdelong>
Well, expand :)
- [02:10:44] <bkdelong>
Seriously though.....in addition to transforming the XML into existing schemas, it makes it easier to also transform it into something that can be pretty seemlessly pulled into a database.
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- [02:11:40] <dmose>
right, i'll buy that XSLT is a useful thing here
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- [02:17:42] <dmose>
Hixie_: ...
- [02:20:43] <bkdelong>
?
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- [02:23:01] * kingryan nods
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- [02:35:30] <tantek>
re: HTML vs. XHTML, I did a blog post on this like a year or two ago
- [02:35:59] <tantek>
about the (minor/slight) advantages to publishing in XHTML instead of HTML
- [02:36:02] <factoryjoe>
tantek is so ahead of himself
- [02:36:16] <dmose>
heh
- [02:36:21] <dmose>
tantek: ok, i'll have a look
- [02:37:01] <tantek>
um, make that almost THREE years ago
- [02:37:02] <tantek>
http://tantek.com/log/2003/01.html#L20030114t1345
- [02:37:07] <dmose>
heh
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- [02:37:44] <tantek>
ok folks g'night for now
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- [02:39:52] <factoryjoe>
question about ie7
- [02:39:58] <factoryjoe>
does anyone have the beta?
- [02:46:02] <factoryjoe>
wow
- [02:46:06] <factoryjoe>
shut down the channel
- [02:46:07] <factoryjoe>
w00t
- [02:46:12] <bkdelong>
heh
- [02:46:20] <factoryjoe>
all i want to know is...
- [02:46:25] <factoryjoe>
do they aggregate rss feeds?
- [02:46:31] <factoryjoe>
and if so, what's the protocol?
- [02:46:35] <bkdelong>
It's funny....I just don't care about IE7. Blech. I'm so tired of MS :)
- [02:46:43] <factoryjoe>
apple uses feed:// and feeds: (without the slashes)
- [02:46:48] <factoryjoe>
sure
- [02:46:52] <factoryjoe>
but apple does something weird
- [02:47:04] <factoryjoe>
and we need to figure out what protocol to use for one feed and many feeds
- [02:47:40] <bkdelong>
ah
- [02:48:13] <bkdelong>
is feeds a protocol or a client-side mime-type designation?
- [02:48:25] <factoryjoe>
so you load up a feed in flock...
- [02:48:32] <factoryjoe>
what should the url look like?
- [02:49:07] <dmose>
man, why does apple feel the need to invent new URL schemes for stuff that is perfectly fine as mime-typed data
- [02:49:46] <dmose>
factoryjoe: whatever protocol it's coming from
- [02:49:47] <bkdelong>
http://www.example.com/feed.feedtype
- [02:50:21] <factoryjoe>
well so what do you mean?
- [02:50:34] <factoryjoe>
we need to reliable output rss/atom as xhtml
- [02:50:42] <factoryjoe>
you're saying stick w/ http://?
- [02:50:50] <dmose>
yeah
- [02:50:57] <factoryjoe>
hmm
- [02:51:04] <dmose>
why does a new content-type necessitate a new URL scheme?
- [02:51:17] <factoryjoe>
well
- [02:51:22] <bkdelong>
shouldn't....
- [02:51:28] <factoryjoe>
because rss is a rel=alternate
- [02:51:42] <bkdelong>
The feed is coming in via the http protocol though
- [02:52:03] <factoryjoe>
therefore, we provide a way to switch back and forth between the normal view and the feed view..
- [02:52:06] <factoryjoe>
but i see your point
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- [02:54:15] <dmose>
whoops, gotta head out
- [02:54:18] <bkdelong>
We need to stick to the standards as much as possible. Microformats is an extension of the (X)HTML standards, (which reminds me dmose, that's another reason to use XHTML - the ability to extend HTML with more attributes and tags), while using feeds://
- [02:54:36] <bkdelong>
when http:// is truly being used is just an incorrect use of standards.
- [02:54:51] <bkdelong>
:)
- [02:54:57] <bkdelong>
later dmose.
- [02:54:58] <jcgregorio>
http://bitworking.org/news/Atom_Auto_Sub_How_To
- [02:55:04] <dmose>
seeya
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- [02:55:24] <jcgregorio>
just to keep up with Tantek, I wrote this back in 2003 ;)
- [02:57:29] <factoryjoe>
jcgregorio: what about favoriting a feed?
- [02:58:07] <factoryjoe>
nm
- [02:58:12] <factoryjoe>
dumb question
- [03:02:33] <bkdelong>
:) You can favorite a feed no problem.
- [03:07:07] <factoryjoe>
right
- [03:07:18] <factoryjoe>
the problem w/ http:// is aggregating multiple feeds
- [03:12:12] <bkdelong>
?
- [03:14:20] <factoryjoe>
sorry gotta run
- [03:14:21] <factoryjoe>
thx
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tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3321 * Charles * (+182) Added more info to Strawman #9
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[[User:CharlesIliyaKrempeaux]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:CharlesIliyaKrempeaux&diff=0&oldid=3322 * Charles * (+22) added another link
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[[User:CharlesIliyaKrempeaux]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:CharlesIliyaKrempeaux&diff=0&oldid=3323 * Charles * (-6) renamed link
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[[microshow]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/microshow * Charles * (+1608) Created
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[[showroll-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=showroll-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3324 * Charles * (+16) Added link to microshow
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[[show-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3325 * Charles * (+16) Added link to microshow
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[[User:CharlesIliyaKrempeaux]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:CharlesIliyaKrempeaux&diff=0&oldid=3326 * Charles * (+24) added link to microshow-parsing
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[[microshow]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microshow&diff=0&oldid=3327 * Charles * (+88) Added link to microshow-parsing
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[[microshow]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microshow&diff=0&oldid=3328 * Charles * (+23) Added this to NewTube category
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3331 * Charles * (+23) Added this to NewTube category
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[[Category:NewTube]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Category:NewTube * Charles * (+1) Created (so that can see the stuff in it).
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[[video-metadata-model]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-metadata-model&diff=0&oldid=3332 * Charles * (+23) Added this to NewTube category
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=3333 * Charles * (-57) Removed SPAM link
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=3334 * Charles * (-60) Removed SPAM link
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "microshow": 1. This is a shell page. 2. It is based on a premature *-brainstorming page. 3. It ignores existing media-metadata work.
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[[show-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=show-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=3335 * Tantek * (+232)
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[[press]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=3338 * Tantek * (+293) November -
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Hello
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[[rest/microformat-pub-protocol]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/microformat-pub-protocol&diff=0&oldid=3345 * DrErnie * (+27) code format
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[[rest/microformat-pub-protocol]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/microformat-pub-protocol&diff=0&oldid=3346 * DrErnie * (-26)
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tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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amanuel_ is running The Intentional Web Initiative http://intentionalweb.org
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