IRC Log for #microformats on 2005-12-19
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factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp and Rhyzomatic and is working towards open source world domination
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[[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=3452 * RyanKing * (+61) answered question about having extra elements. perhaps this question should move to a more general faq?
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3453 * Charles * (+56) Added some stuf to RSS 2.0.
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3454 * Charles * (+151) Added "Raster Graphic Formats" section. And added "Vector Graphic Formats" section.
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[[media-metadata-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3455 * Charles * (-1) Spelling correction.
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3456 * Charles * (+80) Added some stuff to "Audio Formats" section.
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[[hcard-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=3457 * Tantek * (-78) minimized markup a bit.
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3458 * Charles * (-1) Moved pre-fetching down to playing part of "Comparison Table".
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3459 * Charles * (+277) Moved stuff in original comparison table about "playing" to "playing section".
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3460 * Charles * (+520) Added more columns to the "Playing format comparison table". (They're empty in this "saving" of the page.)
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3461 * Charles * (+155) Added stuff to pre-fetching aspect.
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3462 * Charles * (+35) Filled in stuff for Atomic RSS+SMIL.
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3463 * Charles * (+421) Added new aspect to "Playing Format Comparison Table"
- [06:04:37] <fuzzyBSc>
Hrrm... atom is not atom.
- [06:04:46] <TantekC>
?
- [06:05:02] <fuzzyBSc>
Oh, hello Tantek :)
- [06:05:23] <fuzzyBSc>
I'm just having a play with getting hAtom transformed into Atom for the consumption of liferea.
- [06:05:59] <fuzzyBSc>
It isn't using the "updated" field as a date, instead leaving date empty. It seems to understand it (it gets thrown into the metadata down the bottom), but doesn't use it.
- [06:06:46] <fuzzyBSc>
Confused, I started looking at other "atom" feeds that liferea processes correctly. The xml elements don't match up very well with those at http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/
- [06:09:10] <fuzzyBSc>
For example, <http://www.structuredblogging.org/blog/?feed=atom>. It uses "modified" instead of "updated". "issued" instead of "published". "copyright" instead of "rights". Those are just the ones the jumped out at me.
- [06:29:10] <fuzzyBSc>
Can I legally include a <dl> within an <address> element?
- [06:33:00] <fuzzyBSc>
I have a hcard on my website that is currently in a div. I did try to migrate to address, but the w3c validator and mozilla both disliked the way I did it. Without an address element the current hAtom2Atom.xsl won't pick up my hcard.
- [06:33:22] <fuzzyBSc>
However, I think the current standard allows my version to work... so I'll play with my version of the xslt a little.
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[[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3464 * Charles * (+234) Added some more stuff to Container Formats' Notes for Microformats.
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3465 * DavidJanes * (+225) Examples in the wild -
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3466 * DavidJanes * (+3) posted -> published
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3467 * DavidJanes * (+21) posted -> published
- [11:43:29] <mfbot>
[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3468 * DavidJanes * (+4) fixed date format
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3469 * DavidJanes * (+6) fixed date format
- [13:23:09] <fuzzyBSc>
Hrrmm.. hAtom published vs updated.
- [13:24:03] <fuzzyBSc>
I write a blog entry. It is timestamped by my publishing system (actually, just the file modified time). That time is used in my entry header.
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
- [13:24:35] <fuzzyBSc>
However, that time is really the published time. After that I might modify it, and put some kind of updated marker in with my own text.
- [13:25:15] <fuzzyBSc>
The problem is that the updated field is already supplied by the template, even though it should be published. I can't put another updated field into the content, or the entry would be invalid.
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- [13:25:37] <fuzzyBSc>
Actually, because the content node is opaque I couldn't put an updated node in there, either.
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com
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- [14:45:58] <trovster>
t1m!
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- [16:35:21] <mrnull>
Are there any web-based RSS readers that use XOXO yet?
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com)
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
- [17:39:14] <amanuel_>
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2005/12/19/2142
- [17:39:39] <amanuel_>
tantek: your baby is getting to be gone
- [17:39:47] <amanuel_>
mac IE that is.
- [17:39:53] <amanuel_>
it is sad news.
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- [18:10:14] <jibot>
kingryan is ryan king
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- [18:30:10] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [18:30:39] <tantek>
hello amanuel_
- [18:30:49] <tantek>
yes, be sure to download your copy now!
- [18:31:01] <amanuel_>
I have several copies of it.
- [18:31:03] <amanuel_>
:)
- [18:31:06] <tantek>
:)
- [18:31:39] <amanuel_>
I wish the mozilla team would take notes on how to do proper autocomplete from it.
- [18:31:48] <amanuel_>
autocomplete in URL that is.
- [18:33:59] <amanuel_>
bbl
- [18:35:05] <tantek>
yes
- [18:35:10] <tantek>
I have given them that feedback in person
- [18:35:24] <tantek>
I have given the Safari team the same feedback in person
- [18:35:46] <amanuel_>
I looked into the mozilla code and the whole autocomplete is a mess... it'll be lots of fun cleaning it up.
- [18:38:15] <amanuel_>
the URL autocomplete is deeply tied to history data. it is dumb.
- [18:38:55] <amanuel_>
it also doesn't do title autocomplete.
- [18:39:09] <amanuel_>
safari's is better but screwed up too.
- [18:40:14] <amanuel_>
I ended up writing a firefox extension to copy my bookmarks into history till they fix the mess. (AutoMarks - is the extension)
- [18:41:05] <amanuel_>
k bbl :)
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factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp and Rhyzomatic and is working towards open source world domination
- [19:02:30] <Frederic>
good evening
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- [19:24:39] <jibot>
KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & working at Technorati & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather
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- [21:01:07] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [21:32:52] <KevinMarks>
http://www.stevenberlinjohnson.com/2005/12/reading_through.html
- [21:33:05] <KevinMarks>
interesting use case for hReview
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- [22:13:50] <jibot>
t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com
- [22:18:08] <mrnull>
I don't get it.. so to create an hreview, you just nest tags appropriately? There's not really any way to specify which tags go with which format?
- [22:19:09] <mrnull>
Oh, wait.. So you specify the fields with class?
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- [22:45:06] <tantek>
mrnull, first you start with a review you are writing
- [22:45:25] <tantek>
if you have components of that review that correspond to the fields in hReview, you mark them up accordingly
- [22:45:30] <tantek>
and then you're done
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- [23:04:30] <mfbot>
[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=3470 * Tantek * (-174) updated hCard creator spec links from developers.technorati.com to microformats.org
- [23:06:03] <t1m>
$forgetme
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- [23:08:28] <t1m>
$help
- [23:09:31] <t1m>
$learn t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
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- [23:23:22] <t1m>
$def t1m
- [23:39:47] <tantek>
?def t1m
- [23:39:48] <jibot>
t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com
- [23:40:21] <t1m>
?forgetme
- [23:40:24] <jibot>
I have expunged t1m from my mind
- [23:42:01] <t1m>
?learn t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
- [23:42:01] <jibot>
t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
- [23:42:07] <t1m>
?def trovster
- [23:42:07] <jibot>
Nobody has defined trovster yet
- [23:44:22] <t1m>
?learn trovster is http://www.trovster.com/
- [23:44:22] <jibot>
trovster is http://www.trovster.com/
- [23:50:38] <trovster>
Heh, yey :D
- [23:50:52] <trovster>
How can I modify that? I think I added one before
- [23:51:39] <t1m>
?def trovster
- [23:51:40] <jibot>
trovster is http://www.trovster.com/
- [23:52:14] <trovster>
?forgetme
- [23:52:15] <jibot>
I have expunged trovster from my mind
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- [23:52:56] <trovster>
learn trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
- [23:53:01] <trovster>
?learn trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
- [23:53:02] <jibot>
trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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