IRC Log for #microformats on 2005-12-19

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  6. [01:22:27] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=3452 * RyanKing * (+61) answered question about having extra elements. perhaps this question should move to a more general faq?
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  9. [02:00:49] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3453 * Charles * (+56) Added some stuf to RSS 2.0.
  10. [02:06:00] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3454 * Charles * (+151) Added "Raster Graphic Formats" section. And added "Vector Graphic Formats" section.
  11. [02:07:56] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3455 * Charles * (-1) Spelling correction.
  12. [02:36:08] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3456 * Charles * (+80) Added some stuff to "Audio Formats" section.
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  16. [03:06:30] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=3457 * Tantek * (-78) minimized markup a bit.
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  21. [05:18:59] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3458 * Charles * (-1) Moved pre-fetching down to playing part of "Comparison Table".
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  24. [05:23:10] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3459 * Charles * (+277) Moved stuff in original comparison table about "playing" to "playing section".
  25. [05:37:22] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3460 * Charles * (+520) Added more columns to the "Playing format comparison table". (They're empty in this "saving" of the page.)
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  28. [05:46:23] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3461 * Charles * (+155) Added stuff to pre-fetching aspect.
  29. [05:50:34] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3462 * Charles * (+35) Filled in stuff for Atomic RSS+SMIL.
  30. [05:53:35] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3463 * Charles * (+421) Added new aspect to "Playing Format Comparison Table"
  31. [06:04:37] <fuzzyBSc> Hrrm... atom is not atom.
  32. [06:04:46] <TantekC> ?
  33. [06:05:02] <fuzzyBSc> Oh, hello Tantek :)
  34. [06:05:23] <fuzzyBSc> I'm just having a play with getting hAtom transformed into Atom for the consumption of liferea.
  35. [06:05:59] <fuzzyBSc> It isn't using the "updated" field as a date, instead leaving date empty. It seems to understand it (it gets thrown into the metadata down the bottom), but doesn't use it.
  36. [06:06:46] <fuzzyBSc> Confused, I started looking at other "atom" feeds that liferea processes correctly. The xml elements don't match up very well with those at http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/
  37. [06:09:10] <fuzzyBSc> For example, <http://www.structuredblogging.org/blog/?feed=atom>. It uses "modified" instead of "updated". "issued" instead of "published". "copyright" instead of "rights". Those are just the ones the jumped out at me.
  38. [06:29:10] <fuzzyBSc> Can I legally include a <dl> within an <address> element?
  39. [06:33:00] <fuzzyBSc> I have a hcard on my website that is currently in a div. I did try to migrate to address, but the w3c validator and mozilla both disliked the way I did it. Without an address element the current hAtom2Atom.xsl won't pick up my hcard.
  40. [06:33:22] <fuzzyBSc> However, I think the current standard allows my version to work... so I'll play with my version of the xslt a little.
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  48. [09:03:01] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=3464 * Charles * (+234) Added some more stuff to Container Formats' Notes for Microformats.
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  55. [11:34:36] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3465 * DavidJanes * (+225) Examples in the wild -
  56. [11:41:12] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3466 * DavidJanes * (+3) posted -> published
  57. [11:42:38] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3467 * DavidJanes * (+21) posted -> published
  58. [11:43:29] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3468 * DavidJanes * (+4) fixed date format
  59. [11:44:10] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=3469 * DavidJanes * (+6) fixed date format
  60. [13:23:09] <fuzzyBSc> Hrrmm.. hAtom published vs updated.
  61. [13:24:03] <fuzzyBSc> I write a blog entry. It is timestamped by my publishing system (actually, just the file modified time). That time is used in my entry header.
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  63. [13:24:18] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
  64. [13:24:35] <fuzzyBSc> However, that time is really the published time. After that I might modify it, and put some kind of updated marker in with my own text.
  65. [13:25:15] <fuzzyBSc> The problem is that the updated field is already supplied by the template, even though it should be published. I can't put another updated field into the content, or the entry would be invalid.
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  68. [13:25:37] <fuzzyBSc> Actually, because the content node is opaque I couldn't put an updated node in there, either.
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  71. [13:31:10] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  76. [13:56:54] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  81. [14:38:33] <jibot> t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com
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  83. [14:45:58] <trovster> t1m!
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  92. [16:35:21] <mrnull> Are there any web-based RSS readers that use XOXO yet?
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  94. [16:35:44] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com)
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  97. [17:36:55] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com - Is At ApacheCon
  98. [17:39:14] <amanuel_> http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2005/12/19/2142
  99. [17:39:39] <amanuel_> tantek: your baby is getting to be gone
  100. [17:39:47] <amanuel_> mac IE that is.
  101. [17:39:53] <amanuel_> it is sad news.
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  106. [18:10:14] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  109. [18:30:10] <jibot> tantek is Tantek Çelik and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  110. [18:30:19] * ChanServ sets mode +o tantek
  111. [18:30:39] <tantek> hello amanuel_
  112. [18:30:49] <tantek> yes, be sure to download your copy now!
  113. [18:31:01] <amanuel_> I have several copies of it.
  114. [18:31:03] <amanuel_> :)
  115. [18:31:06] <tantek> :)
  116. [18:31:39] <amanuel_> I wish the mozilla team would take notes on how to do proper autocomplete from it.
  117. [18:31:48] <amanuel_> autocomplete in URL that is.
  118. [18:33:59] <amanuel_> bbl
  119. [18:35:05] <tantek> yes
  120. [18:35:10] <tantek> I have given them that feedback in person
  121. [18:35:24] <tantek> I have given the Safari team the same feedback in person
  122. [18:35:46] <amanuel_> I looked into the mozilla code and the whole autocomplete is a mess... it'll be lots of fun cleaning it up.
  123. [18:38:15] <amanuel_> the URL autocomplete is deeply tied to history data. it is dumb.
  124. [18:38:55] <amanuel_> it also doesn't do title autocomplete.
  125. [18:39:09] <amanuel_> safari's is better but screwed up too.
  126. [18:40:14] <amanuel_> I ended up writing a firefox extension to copy my bookmarks into history till they fix the mess. (AutoMarks - is the extension)
  127. [18:41:05] <amanuel_> k bbl :)
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  129. [18:54:25] <jibot> factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp and Rhyzomatic and is working towards open source world domination
  130. [19:02:30] <Frederic> good evening
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  132. [19:24:39] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & working at Technorati & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather
  133. [20:05:38] * tantek sets mode +o KevinMarks
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  137. [21:01:07] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  138. [21:32:52] <KevinMarks> http://www.stevenberlinjohnson.com/2005/12/reading_through.html
  139. [21:33:05] <KevinMarks> interesting use case for hReview
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  145. [22:13:50] <jibot> t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com
  146. [22:18:08] <mrnull> I don't get it.. so to create an hreview, you just nest tags appropriately? There's not really any way to specify which tags go with which format?
  147. [22:19:09] <mrnull> Oh, wait.. So you specify the fields with class?
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  149. [22:45:06] <tantek> mrnull, first you start with a review you are writing
  150. [22:45:25] <tantek> if you have components of that review that correspond to the fields in hReview, you mark them up accordingly
  151. [22:45:30] <tantek> and then you're done
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  155. [23:04:30] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=3470 * Tantek * (-174) updated hCard creator spec links from developers.technorati.com to microformats.org
  156. [23:06:03] <t1m> $forgetme
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  158. [23:08:28] <t1m> $help
  159. [23:09:31] <t1m> $learn t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
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  161. [23:23:22] <t1m> $def t1m
  162. [23:39:47] <tantek> ?def t1m
  163. [23:39:48] <jibot> t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com
  164. [23:40:21] <t1m> ?forgetme
  165. [23:40:24] <jibot> I have expunged t1m from my mind
  166. [23:42:01] <t1m> ?learn t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
  167. [23:42:01] <jibot> t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
  168. [23:42:07] <t1m> ?def trovster
  169. [23:42:07] <jibot> Nobody has defined trovster yet
  170. [23:44:22] <t1m> ?learn trovster is http://www.trovster.com/
  171. [23:44:22] <jibot> trovster is http://www.trovster.com/
  172. [23:50:38] <trovster> Heh, yey :D
  173. [23:50:52] <trovster> How can I modify that? I think I added one before
  174. [23:51:39] <t1m> ?def trovster
  175. [23:51:40] <jibot> trovster is http://www.trovster.com/
  176. [23:52:14] <trovster> ?forgetme
  177. [23:52:15] <jibot> I have expunged trovster from my mind
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  179. [23:52:56] <trovster> learn trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
  180. [23:53:01] <trovster> ?learn trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
  181. [23:53:02] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk

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