IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-17
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- [00:01:27] <factoryjoe>
i think i'm going emo
- [00:02:54] <kingryan>
emo's cool
- [00:02:59] <kingryan>
just don't get too much of it
- [00:04:11] <factoryjoe>
isn't that the po... nevermind
- [00:04:13] <factoryjoe>
i'm disaffected
- [00:04:23] <kingryan>
thata boy!
- [00:05:13] <cgriego>
"we need a microformat for that"
- [00:05:19] <bkdelong>
So where does this leave the whole User Profile discussion, factoryjoe - you going to post a followup on the list?
- [00:05:54] <factoryjoe>
i did, sort of
- [00:06:01] <factoryjoe>
basically, the answer is
- [00:06:05] <factoryjoe>
do whatcha want
- [00:06:10] <factoryjoe>
then codify if it catches on
- [00:06:25] <kingryan>
exactly
- [00:06:50] <kingryan>
the opposite of other standards efforts
- [00:06:58] <kingryan>
where its codify and then see if it catches on
- [00:07:11] <factoryjoe>
yeah
- [00:07:14] <factoryjoe>
which i'm fine with
- [00:07:18] <factoryjoe>
i think i was asking for help
- [00:07:23] <factoryjoe>
figuring out what to start with
- [00:07:31] <factoryjoe>
rel=photos seems better than class=photos
- [00:07:42] <factoryjoe>
i'm not asking for a definitive "this is a microformat" answer
- [00:07:56] <factoryjoe>
but rather an answer to "does this seem like a reasonable approach in the meantime?"
- [00:08:23] <kingryan>
sure, it does
- [00:10:47] <bkdelong>
ARGH. The wiki is telling me I'm not specifying a valid username and I ammmm.
- [00:12:33] <cgriego>
Are You Capitalizing The First Letter Because I Got Confused About That.
- [00:12:51] <bkdelong>
Nope. Only on my real name.
- [00:20:19] <bkdelong>
kingryan, tantek - you still around? Trying to get a login on the wiki to add some of these adr examples.
- [00:20:27] <kingryan>
I am
- [00:20:29] <tantek>
bk, see FAQ
- [00:20:32] <tantek>
:)
- [00:20:50] <bkdelong>
yeah, lookin at it now.
- [00:21:16] <bkdelong>
good grief. Can't believe I missed that
- [00:21:20] <kingryan>
http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#wiki_specific_questions
- [00:21:22] <kingryan>
:D
- [00:21:33] <kingryan>
you're not the only one
- [00:24:30] <mfbot>
[[adr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr&diff=0&oldid=4174 * B.K. DeLong * (+18) More Examples -
- [00:45:42] <mfbot>
[[adr-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/adr-examples * B.K. DeLong * (+1139) More examples of the ADR microformat -
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[[adr-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples&diff=0&oldid=4175 * B.K. DeLong * (+156)
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[[adr-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples&diff=0&oldid=4176 * B.K. DeLong * (+8)
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[[adr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr&diff=0&oldid=4177 * B.K. DeLong * (+72) More Examples -
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[[adr-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples&diff=0&oldid=4178 * B.K. DeLong * (+68)
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[[adr-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples&diff=0&oldid=4179 * B.K. DeLong * (+55)
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[[adr-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples&diff=0&oldid=4180 * B.K. DeLong * (+41)
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[[hcalendar-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=4181 * B.K. DeLong * (+78) Q&A -
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[[hcalendar-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=4182 * B.K. DeLong * (+124) Q&A -
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[[hcalendar-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=4183 * B.K. DeLong * (-1) Q&A -
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[[User:ChrisMessina]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ChrisMessina * Chris Messina * (+135)
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=4184 * RyanKing * (-167) Greasemonkey versions -
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[[User:B.K. DeLong]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/User:B.K._DeLong * B.K. DeLong * (+179) User: B.K. DeLong -
- [01:58:42] <tara>
hello
- [02:00:09] <bkdelong_>
lo
- [02:00:25] <tantek>
hi tara!
- [02:01:47] <factoryjoe>
threesome?
- [02:01:51] <factoryjoe>
ooops
- [02:01:58] <tara>
hey
- [02:01:59] <bkdelong_>
oi
- [02:01:59] <factoryjoe>
wrong channels
- [02:02:03] <factoryjoe>
err
- [02:02:09] <factoryjoe>
where's dotben?
- [02:02:15] <factoryjoe>
we could turn this into a real backchannel
- [02:03:08] <tara>
well, if Tantek doesn't talk with me soon, I'm definitely calling bullshit. ;)
- [02:03:39] <factoryjoe>
haha
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- [02:08:32] <factoryjoe>
tantek: you scared her off!
- [02:09:07] <bkdelong_>
doh.
- [02:10:52] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=4185 * B.K. DeLong * (+210) Q&A -
- [02:16:24] <tantek>
i'm here
- [02:17:00] <bkdelong_>
Missed her.
- [02:18:18] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=4186 * B.K. DeLong * (+120) Q&A -
- [02:24:15] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4187 * B.K. DeLong * (+435) General Questions -
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- [02:31:36] <factoryjoe>
for ryan: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/
- [02:31:42] <factoryjoe>
ok, i'm out
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- [02:42:42] <kingryan>
how appropriate, chris and tara leaving together
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- [13:07:41] <bkdelong>
Morning, all.
- [13:13:43] <timb>
and a good morning to you
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[[microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats&diff=0&oldid=4188 * ScottReynen * (+76) the microformats principles -
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- [16:28:39] <bkdelong>
I should probably read the documentation but I'm doing too many things at once. Do hCard and hCalendar have "profiles" I need to reference in the <head> element like XFN?
- [16:29:06] <RobertBachmann>
yes, these profiles are recommended.
- [16:29:56] <bkdelong>
k. and for multiple profiles, I do: <head profile="http://profile1/ http://profile2"> i.e. seperated with whitespace as per the HTML 4.01 spec....
- [16:30:46] <RobertBachmann>
yes.
- [16:31:16] <bkdelong>
Thx. :)
- [16:31:58] <RobertBachmann>
currently there is no profile for hcalendar, only for hcard.
- [16:32:26] <bkdelong>
ah. gotcha.
- [16:32:33] <bkdelong>
What about adr?
- [16:32:46] <bkdelong>
Tho I know it's a work-in-progress....
- [16:33:49] <RobertBachmann>
but it (hcalendar-profile) is listed on <http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#profiles>.
- [16:33:49] <RobertBachmann>
adr: has no profile yet.
- [16:34:39] <mfbot>
[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * RobertBachmann * (+0) deleted "hcalendar-profile": Spam
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4189 * GeneMcCulley * (+186) Examples -
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- [18:39:32] <factoryjoe>
#mashpit
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- [19:06:58] <kingryan>
hey everyone
- [19:07:09] <kingryan>
uh oh, cee-dub
- [19:07:14] <cee-dub>
haha
- [19:07:18] <cee-dub>
why uh-oh?
- [19:08:14] <kingryan>
j/k
- [19:16:02] <kingryan>
cee-dub, you need to join #banc
- [19:17:02] <cee-dub>
so few people in there
- [19:17:41] <bkdelong>
Is there a rel or rev for identifying someone's profile on a someone network? i.e. http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=10014040891428053697 or http://people.tribe.net/bkdelong ; or would that just be rel="me" ?
- [19:18:50] <kingryan>
rel="me", yes
- [19:19:10] <bkdelong>
kee-doke.
- [19:19:40] <kingryan>
I do precisely that on http://theryanking.com/blog/
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- [19:21:19] <bkdelong>
I'm doing a big post on social networks and I'm looking for as many things I can markup as possible.
- [19:21:30] <kingryan>
cool
- [19:21:41] <kingryan>
I assume you've read all of http://gmpg.org/xfn/ ?
- [19:22:10] <bkdelong>
Yup.
- [19:22:43] <bkdelong>
Not just XFN....but other standard and proposed microformats.
- [19:23:58] <cee-dub>
how soon will this post be available?
- [19:24:52] <bkdelong>
In about 5 seconds
- [19:25:09] <cee-dub>
link?
- [19:25:26] <bkdelong>
ok, I lied. Hang on. :)
- [19:25:39] <cee-dub>
of course... when you're ready :)
- [19:25:45] <bkdelong>
http://www.brain-stream.com/blog/archives/001888.html
- [19:27:37] <kingryan>
ah, is outputthis.org the old reblg.com ?
- [19:27:49] <bkdelong>
Heck if I know.
- [19:28:20] <bkdelong>
I just came across it when I checked out structuredblogging the other day. I got all excited but my SB plugin says it's "not enabled yet".
- [19:30:26] <kingryan>
reminds me of reblg, but may not be related
- [19:30:36] <kingryan>
they both appear to be vapor(ish)
- [19:31:08] <bkdelong>
alas.
- [19:31:31] <kingryan>
well, in the case of reblg, at least, I think its destined to always be vapor
- [19:32:18] <cee-dub>
I'm just happy that structured blogging joined up with microformats
- [19:32:23] <cee-dub>
no need for splintering
- [19:32:36] <kingryan>
they've always been invited
- [19:32:51] <cee-dub>
of course, they may have just started without knowing about microformats
- [19:33:01] <kingryan>
no, they've always known
- [19:33:22] <bkdelong>
I'm really disappointed with the MT plugin - it assumes people structure their postings very rigidly.. It's too linear
- [19:33:24] <kingryan>
but there's just been personal conflict
- [19:33:40] <cee-dub>
ah, I obviously don't know the whole story
- [19:34:03] <kingryan>
right, bkdelong, one of the reasons I haven't created many authoring tools is that its very difficult to create anything that's going to be widely useful
- [19:34:12] <kingryan>
everyone thinks about their writing/content differently
- [19:34:22] <kingryan>
no, cee-dub, there's a lot of history there
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- [19:35:57] <bkdelong>
So...any thoughts on that post.....what else can I markup in it?
- [19:36:43] <kingryan>
re: uniqueness of schools...
- [19:36:49] <kingryan>
aren't URLs sufficient?
- [19:37:08] <kingryan>
I attend http://usfca.edu/
- [19:37:12] <kingryan>
unambiguous, right?
- [19:37:28] <bkdelong>
True.....but MySpace didn't allow for it.
- [19:37:32] <kingryan>
have you seen rhyzomatic?
- [19:37:34] <bewest|work>
MT plugin?
- [19:37:44] <bkdelong>
and some secondary schools don't have Web pages.
- [19:37:57] <bkdelong>
Not yet - was checking out the wiki but haven't seen the site yet.
- [19:38:01] <kingryan>
true, bkdelong
- [19:38:06] <bkdelong>
bewest|work: Yup.
- [19:38:13] <bkdelong>
bewest|work: MovableType
- [19:38:33] <kingryan>
?whois factoryjoe
- [19:38:41] <kingryan>
?define factoryjoe
- [19:38:44] <kingryan>
ah, no jibot
- [19:38:44] <bkdelong>
I didn;t see Chris
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- [19:39:00] <kingryan>
I'm trying to find the url for rhyzomatic
- [19:39:03] <bkdelong>
ah
- [19:39:07] <kingryan>
its in chris's description
- [19:41:19] <bewest|work>
kingryan: I think our discussion was cut short yesterday, I didn't see your message for several minutes, and then I couldn't seem to message properly
- [19:41:19] <kingryan>
bkdelong, here's the plan for rhyzomatic: http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/sets/1313120/
- [19:41:57] <kingryan>
ah
- [19:42:07] <bewest|work>
interesting
- [19:42:22] <kingryan>
the idea is to be like an xfn hub
- [19:42:45] <kingryan>
a central place for looking up people's profiles on various networks
- [19:43:14] <bkdelong>
nice.
- [19:44:14] <kingryan>
not sure how far along actual implementation is
- [19:44:25] <kingryan>
but I've been working w/ chris on how to microformat everything
- [19:44:39] <kingryan>
(its also an experiement in "can your website be your api?")
- [19:45:44] <bewest|work>
interesting experiment
- [19:46:15] <kingryan>
ref: http://tantek.com/presentations/20040928sdforumws/semantic-xhtml.html
- [19:47:16] <bkdelong>
Quite...
- [19:47:20] <bewest|work>
oo haven't seen this yet
- [19:47:27] <bkdelong>
Exactally what I'm looking for.
- [19:47:59] <kingryan>
http://microformats.org/wiki/presentations is a good resource, esp. if you go back to 2004
- [19:48:06] <kingryan>
for the early, fundamental stuff
- [19:49:03] <bkdelong>
BTW, for 2006, we need to look at beefing up Vote-Link. or at least encouraging it again.
- [19:49:49] <kingryan>
I'd vote for encouraging useage first
- [19:50:06] <kingryan>
vote-for*
- [19:51:22] <bkdelong>
I think there was a lot of use before. But as soon as I look at the ballot initiatives and who is up for election, I'll do a post on it and see if I can spread it via a LiveJournal meme.
- [19:52:10] <kingryan>
cool
- [19:53:46] <bkdelong>
Actually, that's a good idea...if we can get all the livejournal/myspace folk to start memeing it around, it could become quite popular, very easily.
- [19:53:55] <kingryan>
yeah
- [19:54:09] <kingryan>
and build some tools for tracking/mining the votes
- [19:54:23] <bkdelong>
Well, Technorati already does
- [19:54:41] <bkdelong>
Or at least did for a previous election....2004?
- [19:54:46] <kingryan>
yeah
- [19:54:55] <kingryan>
and we use them for authority calculations
- [19:55:06] <kingryan>
ie, we don't count vote-against and vote-abstain
- [19:55:37] <bkdelong>
Ah
- [19:56:38] <kingryan>
we also don't count rel="nofollow" links
- [19:58:02] <bkdelong>
It would be interesting to add a field for what election someone is running in and maybe a date-stamp. Like MA Governor Romney ran for election a few years ago. But he's considering a run for President in 2008. It would be good to distinguish. Also to get some examples for ballot initives or even how the blogging community supports various proposed legislation in the House and Senate.
- [19:58:19] <bkdelong>
Now THAT would be a fascinating thing to watch - let the PEOPLE vote on legislation ;)
- [19:58:32] <bkdelong>
virtually, that is.
- [19:59:06] <kingryan>
some of the disambiguation can be done just by picking the right url
- [19:59:34] <kingryan>
so vote-for romneyforpresident2008.com is not the same as vote-for romneyformayor.com
- [19:59:37] <kingryan>
right?
- [20:00:15] <bkdelong>
true but I'm thinking in blogging terms as not every elected official has URLs.
- [20:00:21] <bkdelong>
or candidate, that is.
- [20:00:36] <kingryan>
that's possibly true
- [20:00:41] <bkdelong>
and re: legislation.....people discuss pending stuff all the time on blogs. Being able to mark that up would rock.
- [20:00:49] <kingryan>
but do candidates who don't have urls get blogged about?
- [20:01:38] <bkdelong>
I blogged about my local election a few times...specifically how I was annoyed by my candidate's lack of Web sites.
- [20:02:09] <kingryan>
ah
- [20:02:15] <bkdelong>
I also blogged about my State Rep who was running again but only had a crappy basic site at the State House. I don't consider that an election site.
- [20:02:29] <kingryan>
yeah
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- [23:54:55] <factoryjoe>
where's the spec for hcal to do items?
- [23:57:15] <mfbot>
[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=4199 * RyanKing * (+812) just getting started
- [23:57:24] <kingryan>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar
- [23:57:32] <kingryan>
some examples at http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-examples
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- [23:58:22] <bkdelong>
nrn. I'll chat on citations when I get back
- [23:58:33] <bkdelong>
er....brb
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