IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-18

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  1. [00:03:19] <factoryjoe> kingryan: well, we're going to exercise it!
  2. [00:03:26] <kingryan> go for it
  3. [00:05:16] <bkdelong> back
  4. [00:08:23] <bkdelong> Oh - factoryjoe: Is Rhyzomatic online yet? kingryan and I were discussing how it resembles one of the posts I made on my blog today: http://www.brain-stream.com/blog/archives/001888.html
  5. [00:08:36] <factoryjoe> nope
  6. [00:08:37] <factoryjoe> not yet
  7. [00:08:42] <factoryjoe> i came across claimid.com today
  8. [00:08:55] <bkdelong> What is it?
  9. [00:09:04] <factoryjoe> dunno
  10. [00:09:07] <factoryjoe> "stealth"
  11. [00:09:11] <kingryan> looks cool
  12. [00:09:14] <kingryan> :)
  13. [00:09:32] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=4200 * RyanKing * (+89)
  14. [00:09:57] <bkdelong> I've seen a few good uses of citation on the example hresumes
  15. [00:11:12] <kingryan> well, it'd be nice to have a citation micoformat to be used in hresume
  16. [00:12:04] <factoryjoe> hey
  17. [00:12:08] <factoryjoe> so i should i use vtodo?
  18. [00:12:11] <factoryjoe> or..
  19. [00:12:13] <bkdelong> There's some listed in the todo section of the wiki, isn't there?
  20. [00:12:14] <factoryjoe> hTodo i mean?
  21. [00:12:18] <factoryjoe> no
  22. [00:12:21] <factoryjoe> not that i saw
  23. [00:12:22] <factoryjoe> url?
  24. [00:12:28] <bkdelong> I meant for citations, not todo
  25. [00:12:44] <bkdelong> Is there a vCalendar equiv for tasks?
  26. [00:12:45] <kingryan> vtodo is part of hcalendar
  27. [00:12:48] <kingryan> yeah
  28. [00:12:52] <kingryan> VTODO
  29. [00:12:56] <bkdelong> Gotcha
  30. [00:12:59] <factoryjoe> so ryan, is it htodo?
  31. [00:13:01] <kingryan> no
  32. [00:13:04] <kingryan> its hcalendar
  33. [00:13:08] <factoryjoe> um
  34. [00:13:11] <kingryan> yes
  35. [00:13:12] <factoryjoe> hcalendar and then what?
  36. [00:13:22] <kingryan> whatcha mean?
  37. [00:13:22] <factoryjoe> how do i identify a task?
  38. [00:13:26] <bkdelong> I'm guessing vtodo is already microformatted as part of hcalendar. :)
  39. [00:13:30] <bkdelong> Registered through: GoDaddy.com
  40. [00:13:30] <bkdelong> Domain Name: CLAIMID.COM
  41. [00:13:30] <bkdelong> Created on: 29-Sep-05
  42. [00:13:30] <bkdelong> Expires on: 29-Sep-07
  43. [00:13:30] <bkdelong> Last Updated on: 07-Oct-05
  44. [00:13:31] <factoryjoe> right
  45. [00:13:33] <bkdelong> Administrative Contact:
  46. [00:13:35] <bkdelong> Stutzman, Frederic fred@ibiblio.org
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  48. [00:13:41] <factoryjoe> ibiblio... whoa
  49. [00:14:16] <kingryan> I guess this is our only example: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-examples#Example_4
  50. [00:14:35] <bkdelong> "I am in the process of starting a company named claimID.com, which will fundamentally change how people manage their online identities."
  51. [00:14:38] <factoryjoe> yup
  52. [00:14:39] <bkdelong> http://www.ibiblio.org/fred/
  53. [00:14:39] <factoryjoe> just saw that
  54. [00:14:41] <factoryjoe> sorry
  55. [00:14:44] <kingryan> but there's probably more examples in the rfc that I could pull out and microformat for you
  56. [00:14:51] <factoryjoe> no, that's ok
  57. [00:14:55] <factoryjoe> i can take it from here methinks
  58. [00:14:57] <factoryjoe> just missed that
  59. [00:15:01] <factoryjoe> was looking for htodo
  60. [00:15:02] <factoryjoe> duh
  61. [00:15:04] <factoryjoe> ;)
  62. [00:15:08] <bkdelong> http://chimprawk.blogspot.com/2006/01/claimid-accepting-addresses-for.html
  63. [00:16:37] <factoryjoe> huh
  64. [00:17:12] <kingryan> ah, there's no more examples in the rfc, but I could do some from ical
  65. [00:17:54] <bkdelong> So are any vtodo properties referenced in the hcalendar spec?
  66. [00:17:59] <bkdelong> or jus examples?
  67. [00:18:07] <kingryan> just examples
  68. [00:18:17] <kingryan> like I said, this hasn't been exercised much
  69. [00:18:22] <kingryan> so there's probably hidden issues
  70. [00:18:35] <factoryjoe> we're using it on our event in a box creator
  71. [00:18:39] <factoryjoe> should be interesting
  72. [00:19:08] <bkdelong> So re: doing htodo, factoryjoe - it sounds like we could use some properties directly in the spec. Yes?
  73. [00:19:45] <kingryan> btw, factoryjoe, http://microformats.org/blog/2006/01/17/microformats-are-semantic-markup/
  74. [00:20:55] <factoryjoe> kingryan: yeah, saw that
  75. [00:20:59] <factoryjoe> thx for the mention
  76. [00:21:08] <factoryjoe> (i added your citation to my post, fyi)
  77. [00:22:02] <factoryjoe> fyi: typo: marjority
  78. [00:22:32] <factoryjoe> and close your quote
  79. [00:22:35] <factoryjoe> on cowpaths
  80. [00:22:44] <factoryjoe> btw, i can't tell if you're saying that i'm doing the right thing or not...
  81. [00:24:32] <bkdelong> heheh
  82. [00:24:56] <kingryan> I don't think I did say :D
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  87. [00:34:16] <factoryjoe> is there an hcalendar validator?
  88. [00:35:39] <tantek> x2v does some checking/validation
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  90. [00:36:59] <factoryjoe> ok
  91. [00:37:08] <factoryjoe> x2v url?
  92. [00:37:38] <tantek> oh where did jibot go?
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  94. [00:38:56] <bkdelong> dunno. Logged off last night I think
  95. [00:39:33] <factoryjoe> heh
  96. [00:39:36] <factoryjoe> hey tara
  97. [00:39:42] <tara> hey
  98. [00:40:18] <tara> I'm looking at the pictures, but I can't make out the whiteboards...I'm dying to see how everything turns out
  99. [00:41:55] <factoryjoe> ;)
  100. [00:41:58] <factoryjoe> well i hope!
  101. [00:42:00] <factoryjoe> i have photos
  102. [00:42:04] <tara> awesome
  103. [00:42:05] <factoryjoe> but my cradle is @ your place!
  104. [00:42:11] <tara> ooops
  105. [00:42:13] <factoryjoe> whuffietracker.com
  106. [00:42:14] <tantek> what pictures?
  107. [00:42:19] <factoryjoe> that's one project
  108. [00:42:21] <factoryjoe> just for you
  109. [00:42:24] <factoryjoe> an egotracker!
  110. [00:42:29] <factoryjoe> :P
  111. [00:42:42] <tara> that sounds amazing! what bloggers need...more about US!
  112. [00:42:52] <factoryjoe> hehe
  113. [00:42:59] <tara> Did you need me to bring you your cradle later on?
  114. [00:43:19] <factoryjoe> ah no, not unless you were already coming out... which you're not.. ;)
  115. [00:43:24] <tara> k
  116. [00:43:32] <factoryjoe> maybe i'll swing by and pick it up before i head home
  117. [00:43:41] <tara> :)
  118. [00:43:48] * factoryjoe so needs a wifi/bluetooth camera!
  119. [00:44:05] * tara happens to have one but doesn't use it
  120. [00:44:55] <tara> Being away from these events, I totally understand the need for 'updates' for the people who can't be there
  121. [00:45:07] <tara> We should brainstorm really simple ways to do that
  122. [00:46:34] <factoryjoe> yes
  123. [00:47:54] <tara> ooooo I just read...there is a mashpit backchannel
  124. [00:49:15] <factoryjoe> yeeeesssssss
  125. [00:49:17] <factoryjoe> #mashpit
  126. [00:49:24] <tara> in
  127. [00:56:51] <bkdelong> Has anyone told Cory about wuffietracker?
  128. [00:57:44] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=4201 * RyanKing * (+2782) more examples for chris (still @TODO)
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  153. [04:35:52] <mfbot> [[cite-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-examples&diff=0&oldid=4203 * MarkRickerby * (+1) fixed a typo
  154. [04:39:18] <mfbot> [[cite-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-examples&diff=0&oldid=4204 * MarkRickerby * (+88) added extra pre tags for readability
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  156. [05:13:40] <mfbot> [[cite-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-formats&diff=0&oldid=4205 * MarkRickerby * (+150) added DocBook section
  157. [05:22:01] <mfbot> [[cite-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4206 * EdwardVielmetti * (+1131) MARC / MODS / Dublin Core -
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  159. [05:24:49] <tantek> hmm... that looks like it belongs in cite-formats, not cite-brainstorming
  160. [05:25:13] <tantek> actually, quite a bit of cite-brainstorming belongs in cite-formats
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  162. [05:26:42] <emv> helloooo
  163. [05:29:23] <mfbot> [[cite-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-formats&diff=0&oldid=4207 * MarkRickerby * (+1021) DocBook -
  164. [05:30:44] <mfbot> [[cite-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4208 * Tantek * (+501) noted that many sections should be moved to cite-formats
  165. [05:33:05] <mfbot> [[cite-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4209 * EdwardVielmetti * (-1487) Ann Arbor District Library XML feed -
  166. [05:33:31] <mfbot> [[cite-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-formats&diff=0&oldid=4210 * EdwardVielmetti * (+1487) DocBook -
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  172. [05:38:20] <mfbot> [[cite-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-formats&diff=0&oldid=4213 * MarkRickerby * (+89) tidied up header
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  174. [05:38:36] <mfbot> [[cite-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4214 * MarkRickerby * (+61) added links to header
  175. [05:39:27] <mfbot> [[cite-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-examples&diff=0&oldid=4215 * MarkRickerby * (+66) added links to header
  176. [05:42:13] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=4216 * MarkRickerby * (+18) added cite-formats link
  177. [05:53:16] <emv> hi ryan
  178. [05:54:52] <kingryan> hi emv
  179. [05:57:53] <Frederic> hello
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  192. [09:28:20] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=4217 * Tantek * (+113) Examples -
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  205. [13:52:36] <bkdelong> Morning all.
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  211. [15:00:52] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=4219 * B.K. DeLong * (+39) People on irc -
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  218. [16:58:31] <tantek> hey bk
  219. [16:58:44] <tantek> yesterday ( I think ) you asked about a profile for adr
  220. [16:58:50] * tantek sets mode +o RobertBachmann
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  222. [16:59:05] <tantek> it's right there in the spec
  223. [16:59:34] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/adr#XMDP_Profile
  224. [16:59:47] <tantek> because adr is a proper subset of hCard, there is no need for a separate profile
  225. [16:59:58] <tantek> authors using adr simply use the hCard profile and they're done
  226. [17:00:01] <tantek> similarly with geo
  227. [17:01:22] <mfbot> [[adr-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples&diff=0&oldid=4221 * Tantek * (+15) fixed use of "country" to be "country-name"
  228. [17:06:00] <emose> tantek: is there any theory about how stuff parsing hCalendar vevents should deal with other classnames in the vevents?
  229. [17:06:14] <tantek> mustignore
  230. [17:06:38] <emose> tantek: so there's no way to include x- classnames, i assume
  231. [17:07:03] <emose> since the parser can't know a priori whether a classname is intended to be an x- vcalendar prop, or just something else
  232. [17:16:05] <tantek> correct
  233. [17:16:23] <tantek> x- classnames are non-standard anyway, and therefore not interoperable
  234. [17:16:38] <tantek> much better to just use additional semantic markup and see what patterns evolve
  235. [17:18:24] <emose> ok, thanks
  236. [17:18:44] <cgriego> a problem with class="x-property" is how would a parser know what it belonged to if 2 microformats where overlapping like an hCard inside an hCal?
  237. [17:19:56] <emose> given that hCal and hCard share a bunch of property names, isn't the existence of that problem independent of x- stuff?
  238. [17:20:41] <cgriego> what do they share?
  239. [17:20:50] <emose> URL is one
  240. [17:21:16] <emose> maybe "a bunch" is wrong
  241. [17:21:20] <cgriego> true
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  257. [18:30:10] <bewest|work> I'm curious about this web(page|site) as an api thing
  258. [18:30:36] <bewest|work> let's say you have an application that needs data about something that is on the web
  259. [18:31:07] <bewest|work> it's not terribly difficult I suspect to find a resource with the content you need... worst case you could simply screen scrape google or yahoo
  260. [18:31:19] <bewest|work> so that would give you a starting point
  261. [18:31:45] <bewest|work> but parsing out the data of interest would be incredibly difficult
  262. [18:31:58] <bewest|work> since different topics have different attributes of interest
  263. [18:32:18] <hober> bewest|work: sure, if the quality of the markup is poor
  264. [18:32:24] <hober> but if you control the markup you're parsing
  265. [18:32:35] <hober> you can make the markup nicer
  266. [18:32:39] <hober> and easier to parse
  267. [18:33:11] <bewest|work> well... maybe... is there another service, perhaps similar to google that does the spidering for and parsing for you but will actually return a list of attributes rather than markup
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  269. [18:34:09] <bewest|work> for example, let's say my application is a mashup of ski resorts, weather, and maps
  270. [18:34:39] <bewest|work> it'd be interesting to be able to place ski resorts on the map as a result of some web searching...
  271. [18:34:49] <bewest|work> that much is conceivable
  272. [18:35:26] <bewest|work> but then grabbing other attributes... like somehow finding how many lifts the resort has as a result of using their webpages as an API, that seems extraordinarily difficult
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  274. [18:39:05] <Atamido> bewest|work: I suspect that most people doing this kind of work will custom program for each site they need to spider.
  275. [18:39:30] <Atamido> Of course, for something like that where it is only one piece of information, it would be easier to enter it by hand.
  276. [18:40:45] <bewest|work> ok, but in order for wide-spread adoption... people aren't going to be building thousands of spiders to do this kind of work
  277. [18:41:02] <bewest|work> Atamido: it would be easier by hand if you had a definitive list
  278. [18:41:21] <bewest|work> I guess that's life
  279. [18:41:29] <bewest|work> no holy-grail to this
  280. [18:41:46] <bewest|work> it's damnably seductive though
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  288. [18:54:20] <Atamido> bewest|work: If you want to define how every single type of website should store each piece of information, you will end up with a dictionary.
  289. [18:54:55] <Atamido> If you have a specific need, come up with a standard and email all applicable websites requesting that they update their sites.
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  292. [19:05:13] <RobertBachmann> I didn't follow the recent discussion but I think the markup of this channel's log plus the JavaScript which utilizes this markup is a case of 'my website is my API'
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  295. [19:11:01] <bewest|work> it's roughly how technorati works, right? technorati surfs the web and captures attributes about a targeted topic: the topic is blogs and the attributes are categories and posts
  296. [19:12:03] <bewest|work> but it's a tightly coupled... the topic is already known and the attributes are fixed
  297. [19:12:28] <bewest|work> if you wanted to do one for say, ski resorts... you'd have to develop a completely new spider and parser
  298. [19:14:13] <kingryan> mornin'
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  301. [19:21:10] <Atamido> Wow, Dreamweaver 8 actually produces pages that are semantically correct.
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  328. [21:11:01] <pnhChris> now whats that common saying about comcast?
  329. [21:11:22] <pnhChris> cause it applies
  330. [21:11:25] <pnhChris> :P
  331. [21:11:50] <pnhChris> oops.. wong channel hehe
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  340. [22:21:42] <kingryan> what's wrong with mfbot?
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  342. [22:23:32] <pantosys> hoi hoi.
  343. [22:24:00] <pantosys> anyone interested in solving a problem?
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  345. [22:30:51] <pantosys> briefly: Friend-list ala mySpace, based on xfn and hCard. Problems: is there a proper way to note the that the vcard representation is not a representation of people at the site, but contacts of the site?
  346. [22:32:04] <kingryan> not really, pantosys
  347. [22:32:27] <kingryan> of course, if you're looking to denote the person responsible for the site, you should use <address>
  348. [22:32:49] <pantosys> huh?
  349. [22:33:00] <kingryan> not familiar with <address> ?
  350. [22:33:02] <pantosys> around the hcard?
  351. [22:33:22] <kingryan> <address class="vcard">...</address>
  352. [22:33:46] <pantosys> well, that should have been obvious.
  353. [22:35:39] <pantosys> then contact hcards could be <li class="vcard"> ... <a class="url" href="..." rel="met ...">...</a></li>
  354. [22:39:25] <kingryan> sure
  355. [22:40:57] <mfbot> [[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4231 * MarkPilgrim * (+64)
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  359. [22:45:51] <trovster> I use DLs for my vcards.
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  361. [22:52:37] <pantosys> that would be fine, but this represents an unordered list of contacts, so <ul><li><dl> would seem appropriate
  362. [22:54:53] <pantosys> and then <address><dl class="vcard>... for the author
  363. [22:56:59] <mfbot> [[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4233 * MarkRickerby * (+101) added cv
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  365. [23:02:09] <trovster> pantosys: What?!
  366. [23:02:31] <trovster> ul li dl is definitely over complicating things, imo
  367. [23:04:07] <pantosys> otherwise, it would be a page of <dl> elements, this is an address book
  368. [23:05:18] <trovster> Depends on the other information
  369. [23:06:41] <pantosys> yes, and the <li> elements wouldn't ever contain more than a <dl>
  370. [23:10:23] <trovster> I think ul li dl is too over-cooked.
  371. [23:10:54] <cgriego> <ul><li class="vcard"> is the approach I've taken
  372. [23:12:09] <trovster> Depends. On. Content.
  373. [23:12:18] <pantosys> which is more reasonable if you explicitly <span class="type">
  374. [23:12:46] <trovster> http://www.approveddesign.co.uk/about/contact/ that's what I've got for a company address + contact details.
  375. [23:13:27] <factoryjoe> kingryan: ping
  376. [23:13:45] <factoryjoe> hmm
  377. [23:13:57] <factoryjoe> anyone have opinions about the ping attribute on <a>'s in firefox?
  378. [23:15:16] <kingryan> not sure
  379. [23:15:28] <kingryan> there's been discussion of that on the whatwg list, too
  380. [23:16:23] <factoryjoe> yeah
  381. [23:16:27] <factoryjoe> i'm blogging about it
  382. [23:16:41] <factoryjoe> if i have my way
  383. [23:16:45] <factoryjoe> default to off in Flock
  384. [23:16:52] <factoryjoe> i'm a luddite anyway
  385. [23:17:16] <factoryjoe> prove to me how it improves the end-user experience substantively and maybe i'll reconsider (redirects *should* be visible)
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  387. [23:18:03] <trovster> What's this about ping/firefox, I heard it mentioned earlier, but was busy busy busy
  388. [23:18:23] <Hixie> it improves the user experience because it (a) shows the user the final page instead of an obfuscated redirect URI, it allows the user to disabled it, it lets the UA tell the user what's actually gonig on, and it makes the final page load faster.
  389. [23:18:40] <_psychic_> "The Mozilla Team has quietly enabled a new feature in Firefox that parses 'ping' attributes to anchor tags in HTML. Now links can have a 'ping' attribute that contains a list of servers to notify when you click on a link"
  390. [23:18:58] <factoryjoe> _psychic_: welcome to the discussion
  391. [23:19:10] <factoryjoe> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/darin/archives/009594.html
  392. [23:19:10] <_psychic_> factoryjoe: sry ;)
  393. [23:19:15] <factoryjoe> Hixie: you work on that stuff eh?
  394. [23:19:22] * Hixie invented <a ping>
  395. [23:19:24] <factoryjoe> yeah
  396. [23:19:33] <factoryjoe> Hixie: tell me, what "big companies" want it
  397. [23:19:54] <Hixie> i can't answer that due to NDAs
  398. [23:20:05] <factoryjoe> can i blog that?
  399. [23:20:13] <factoryjoe> (not to be an ass)
  400. [23:20:16] <Hixie> i'd rather you didn't mention that i said anything :-)
  401. [23:20:20] <factoryjoe> that's fine
  402. [23:20:24] <pnhChris> yeah.. i can't say i'm a fan, but its silly to be outraged or upset about it given practices already in the wild
  403. [23:20:35] <Hixie> but you can probably make an educated guess looking at who specced the feature, and who implemented the feature
  404. [23:20:54] <factoryjoe> well, to me this seems like a way of obfuscating who's tracking your cliktrhus
  405. [23:20:57] <factoryjoe> clikthrus
  406. [23:21:05] <factoryjoe> Hixie: right
  407. [23:21:25] <Hixie> pnhChris: yeah, i don't understand why people are against making what's already possible, more clear
  408. [23:21:29] <Hixie> factoryjoe: it doesn't obfuscate
  409. [23:21:32] <Hixie> it does the opposite
  410. [23:21:36] <factoryjoe> explain
  411. [23:21:46] <Hixie> it allows the UA to show exactly what the target page is _and_ which domains will be pinged
  412. [23:21:51] <factoryjoe> it takes me directly from point A to point B, invisibly notifying points C, D, E
  413. [23:21:56] <Hixie> not invisibly
  414. [23:22:00] <factoryjoe> hmm
  415. [23:22:03] <factoryjoe> is there a mockup somewhere?
  416. [23:22:11] <factoryjoe> i imagine this is in the status bar?
  417. [23:22:46] <kingryan> factory: download and build it yourself :D
  418. [23:22:46] <_psychic_> What does a 'notification' consist of?
  419. [23:22:46] <Hixie> the idea is the spec will say "http://www.target.com/ (ping: tracker.yahoo.com tracker.target.com)"
  420. [23:22:52] <Hixie> er
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  422. [23:22:55] <Hixie> s/spec/status bar/
  423. [23:22:58] <factoryjoe> Hixie: ok
  424. [23:23:06] <Hixie> instead of "http://tracker.yahoo.com/?2tc5gh1nt3h5n32t5h2n3t5hn"
  425. [23:23:09] <Hixie> which is what is says now
  426. [23:23:23] <factoryjoe> i'm against that then
  427. [23:23:27] <factoryjoe> but that's just me
  428. [23:23:35] <factoryjoe> and i've known to be in the minority before
  429. [23:23:44] <Hixie> i don't understand what you are against
  430. [23:23:54] <factoryjoe> can you tell me how an individual without a gazillion dollars in the bank benefits from it?
  431. [23:23:54] <Hixie> you'd rather have "http://tracker.yahoo.com/?2tc5gh1nt3h5n32t5h2n3t5hn" and a slower page load?
  432. [23:23:58] <factoryjoe> i would, yes
  433. [23:24:06] <Hixie> ....why?
  434. [23:24:11] <factoryjoe> so that i'm aware of the many people watching my behavior on the way
  435. [23:24:18] <Hixie> you are not aware
  436. [23:24:19] <factoryjoe> and that the service is slower because of it
  437. [23:24:21] <Hixie> you never see the redirects
  438. [23:24:32] <Hixie> indeed, if you use IE, it isn't even slower
  439. [23:24:40] <Hixie> since people use JS hacks to do this in the background
  440. [23:24:46] <Hixie> (using an IE bug)
  441. [23:25:10] <Hixie> how is the status bar explicitly telling you what sites will be pinged not better?
  442. [23:25:58] <factoryjoe> hmm
  443. [23:26:11] <factoryjoe> alright
  444. [23:26:17] <factoryjoe> well, i get it now
  445. [23:26:21] <factoryjoe> i can blog about it more generally
  446. [23:26:25] <factoryjoe> i'm not sure how i feel
  447. [23:26:32] <factoryjoe> i don't like the practice in general
  448. [23:26:35] <factoryjoe> whether visible or not
  449. [23:26:40] <factoryjoe> so that's what i don't like
  450. [23:26:58] <kingryan> factoryjoe, you're not going to get rid of the practice
  451. [23:26:59] <factoryjoe> daylighting who's watching my clickstream through pings actually only highlights the lack of privacy on the web
  452. [23:26:59] <kingryan> evar
  453. [23:27:04] <factoryjoe> kingryan: no doubt
  454. [23:27:10] <factoryjoe> doesn't mean i like it
  455. [23:27:16] <kingryan> you should like it
  456. [23:27:17] <factoryjoe> i don't like billboards fucking up the landscape either
  457. [23:27:18] <Hixie> this will make it easier for you to disable
  458. [23:27:20] <factoryjoe> but it ain't going away
  459. [23:27:30] <factoryjoe> Hixie: sort of
  460. [23:27:36] <factoryjoe> it seems to make it easier
  461. [23:27:45] <Hixie> well, at the moment you can't disable it
  462. [23:27:47] <Hixie> with this you can
  463. [23:27:47] <factoryjoe> and then they'll default to JS or images anyway
  464. [23:27:48] <kingryan> it makes it cleaner
  465. [23:27:51] <Hixie> so i'd say it makes it easier :-)
  466. [23:28:03] <factoryjoe> easier to disable the explicit implementation
  467. [23:28:06] <factoryjoe> not the practice
  468. [23:28:10] <factoryjoe> funny
  469. [23:28:14] <factoryjoe> it's a little like microformats
  470. [23:28:21] <factoryjoe> codifying what the advertisers are doing anyway
  471. [23:28:26] <factoryjoe> the *real* cows
  472. [23:28:27] <kingryan> yeah
  473. [23:28:29] <kingryan> lol
  474. [23:28:41] <factoryjoe> ugh, i can't wait to see the hacks though
  475. [23:28:43] <kingryan> and, btw, its not just for advertisers
  476. [23:28:47] <factoryjoe> kingryan: explain
  477. [23:29:03] <kingryan> uh, anyone who wants to track how good their applications is, needs feedback
  478. [23:29:33] <kingryan> how do you know if a page of search results are useful to your users if you have no metrics by which to judge them?
  479. [23:30:35] <factoryjoe> ?
  480. [23:30:40] <factoryjoe> why do you need ping to judge that?
  481. [23:30:49] <kingryan> I'm defending the practice
  482. [23:31:13] <factoryjoe> are you playing devil's massage therapist?
  483. [23:31:14] <kingryan> its not neccessary, put <a ping> would be a cleaner solution
  484. [23:31:32] <factoryjoe> kingryan: ok, can you describe how you would implement that/
  485. [23:31:34] <factoryjoe> ?
  486. [23:31:44] <kingryan> implement what?
  487. [23:31:51] <kingryan> massage therapy for the devil?
  488. [23:32:35] <kingryan> that's intractable
  489. [23:35:58] <factoryjoe> ugh
  490. [23:36:09] <factoryjoe> no, like how would you...
  491. [23:36:11] <factoryjoe> hmm
  492. [23:36:13] <factoryjoe> ok, i get it
  493. [23:36:32] <kingryan> you're not familiar with the current techniques?
  494. [23:36:36] <factoryjoe> so i could link to "ryan.com" but ping "tracker.com?clicked-ryan's-link"
  495. [23:36:39] <factoryjoe> i am
  496. [23:36:59] <kingryan> something like that
  497. [23:38:14] <factoryjoe> olk
  498. [23:38:16] <factoryjoe> ok
  499. [23:38:23] <factoryjoe> yeah, intuitively my sense is to vote no
  500. [23:38:35] <factoryjoe> because ultimately this feature is about quantifying behavior
  501. [23:38:45] <kingryan> so?
  502. [23:39:13] <factoryjoe> well, personally i don't dig being "part of a herd" even if i'm actually in one
  503. [23:39:21] <factoryjoe> kingryan: got a thing for caddle prods?
  504. [23:39:30] <kingryan> nope
  505. [23:39:35] <Hixie> i apologise for breaking your illusion of individuality
  506. [23:39:39] <Hixie> welcome to the real world :-)
  507. [23:39:42] <kingryan> factoryjoe, your behavior will be quantified
  508. [23:40:07] <kingryan> bringing things out into the open can make them more manageable
  509. [23:44:12] <factoryjoe> yes, i love being "managed"
  510. [23:44:29] <kingryan> you're not being manage, just coutned
  511. [23:44:34] <kingryan> counted*
  512. [23:44:39] <kingryan> and they don't even know its you
  513. [23:44:53] <kingryan> Hixie, I assume the ping includes cookies?
  514. [23:45:22] <Hixie> yes
  515. [23:45:37] <kingryan> ok, so maybe they will know who you are, factoryjoe
  516. [23:45:45] <kingryan> but trust me, they don't care about you enough to track you
  517. [23:45:52] <kingryan> :D
  518. [23:46:01] <factoryjoe> heh, that's what they *want* you to believe
  519. [23:46:06] <factoryjoe> well, i'ma blog it anyway
  520. [23:46:12] <factoryjoe> and then i'll finish my rant about apple
  521. [23:46:15] <kingryan> how do you know that I'm not one of them
  522. [23:46:23] <factoryjoe> and then the blogosphere will descend upon me
  523. [23:46:23] <Hixie> do you have a credit card, factoryjoe?
  524. [23:46:28] <factoryjoe> and you'll never hear from me again
  525. [23:46:38] <kingryan> you'd like that, factoryjoe
  526. [23:46:45] <factoryjoe> Hixie: no, but a social security number: 423-65-9954
  527. [23:46:50] <factoryjoe> does that help?
  528. [23:46:56] <kingryan> dude, that's on the internet, now
  529. [23:47:03] <factoryjoe> oh sh!t!
  530. [23:47:07] <kingryan> the www, to be more precise
  531. [23:47:13] <kingryan> lol
  532. [23:47:30] <Hixie> if you don't have a credit card you're probably not in as much trouble as you would otherwise be
  533. [23:47:38] <Hixie> if you do, then you've basically lost already
  534. [23:47:59] <factoryjoe> true true
  535. [23:48:16] <factoryjoe> whatever, this makes for good editorial content
  536. [23:48:33] <kingryan> you should just go ahead and blog your ssn
  537. [23:48:57] <_psychic_> Hixie: does the browser receive any data back when it makes a ping http request?
  538. [23:49:00] <cgriego> http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-01-18#T234645
  539. [23:49:31] <Hixie> _psychic_: it follows redir-- you know, it would probably be easier if you read the spec
  540. [23:49:38] <Hixie> instead of me pasting the spec into here
  541. [23:49:38] * edsu (n=esummers@66.187.134.52) Quit ("leaving")
  542. [23:49:39] <Hixie> :-)
  543. [23:50:38] <kingryan> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#ping ?
  544. [23:50:46] <_psychic_> kingryan: thanks
  545. [23:54:14] * valmont (n=chrishol@pdpc/supporter/silver/valmont) Quit ()
  546. [23:56:23] <factoryjoe> here you go biatches: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/88372434/
  547. [23:59:04] <kingryan> if you sell those shirts, will you count how many you sell?
  548. [23:59:11] <factoryjoe> no
  549. [23:59:13] <_psychic_> haha
  550. [23:59:16] <factoryjoe> :P
  551. [23:59:31] <factoryjoe> but i *will* post all the credit cards used to order the shirts
  552. [23:59:38] <kingryan> of course
  553. [23:59:50] <kingryan> btw, you should ask robert to remove your ssn from the logs

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