IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-24
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[[media-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=4373 * Tantek * (+493) reorganized new examples into existing categories and added new sections
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ryan hehe
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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[[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4374 * RyanKing * (+879) Tantek Çelik -
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[[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4375 * RyanKing * (-19) Tantek Çelik - adding overal implied schema analysis
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[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=4376 * Tantek * (-54) edit audio speech example linktext to be more citation like
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[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=4377 * Tantek * (+131) fix video example links' linktext to be more citation-like
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[[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4378 * RyanKing * (+263) Dan Connolly - added breakdown of Dan's affiliations
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[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=4379 * Tantek * (+125) noted auto-play of rocketboom
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[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=4380 * Tantek * (+31) fix video example links' linktext to be more citation-like
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[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=4381 * Tantek * (+5) fix photo example links' linktext to be more citation-like
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http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/2006/01/rough-resting-on-rails/
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[[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4382 * RyanKing * (+392) Contact - adding some analysis
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[[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4383 * RyanKing * (+119) Publications - more analysis of DanC's resume
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[[citation-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4384 * EranGloben * (-1) Additional Resources -
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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[[distributed-conversation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-examples&diff=0&oldid=4385 * EranGloben * (+1721) added IBIS info and discussion
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[[media-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=4386 * ScottReynen * (+841) Music -
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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one-up-manship as a method for inspiring collaboration among individuals
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oops, wrong room :)
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kingryan is ryan king
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[[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4387 * RyanKing * (+73) Brian Suda - added "Casey Conroy"
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zacker is working at CivicSpace Labs : www.civicspacelabs.org
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00).
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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[[cite-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-formats&diff=0&oldid=4388 * MarkRickerby * (-246) Fields Used by Bibtex - fixed table formatting to improve readability
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[[cite-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-formats&diff=0&oldid=4389 * MarkRickerby * (-351) BibTeX citation Types - more fixes
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=4390 * B.K. DeLong * (+128) Examples in the wild -
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: +01:00)
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zacker is working at CivicSpace Labs : www.civicspacelabs.org
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=4391 * Mary Hodder * (+86) move some misclassified items, correct typos
- [20:21:26] <trovv>
Heh, Technorati is a showcase of microformats. I just looked at a page from the "directory" MF, viewed the source and see <b>. I think that's ironic.
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Also, just looked briefly at rel="home" for both <link> in the <head> and within the page. What other rel="" are for links. As I know Opera can use them, like rel="sitemap" and glossary
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[[media-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4392 * Mary Hodder * (+9)
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kingryan is ryan king
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- [21:30:39] <Frederic>
hello kingryan. Do you have some clues about that amazon tagging removed post at techcrunch?
- [21:30:50] <kingryan>
no idea
- [21:31:07] <kingryan>
haven't seen that post
- [21:31:23] <Frederic>
well, was just on bloglines
- [21:32:00] <Frederic>
And I still have it
- [21:33:21] <limbo_>
you means amazon still has tags?
- [21:36:03] <Frederic>
Well, according to techcrunch post, they don't
- [21:36:19] <Frederic>
But they have removed the post and I can only see it in bloglines
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oh
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- [21:36:53] <limbo_>
that's strange
- [21:37:51] <Frederic>
it is but it's true
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=4393 * RyanKing * (+149) Ryan -
- [21:49:35] <kingryan>
hey limbo_, we have a 'via' link relationship now --> http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations
- [21:50:31] <Frederic>
cool
- [21:50:37] <Frederic>
_that_ is great
- [21:50:41] <limbo_>
ooh nice
- [21:50:57] <limbo_>
although i'd say that cite is a better candidate
- [21:51:09] <limbo_>
since it already has the conotation of citation
- [21:51:17] <limbo_>
which links dont necessarily do
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- [21:55:51] <kingryan>
but via links are *links8
- [21:55:58] <kingryan>
*links**
- [21:56:50] <factoryjoe>
kingryan: looks like we might use vote-rel for rating our extensions
- [21:56:59] <kingryan>
vote-rel?
- [21:57:02] <kingryan>
what's that?
- [21:57:08] <factoryjoe>
shuddup
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rel="vote-for" et al
- [21:57:14] <kingryan>
you mean vote-links?
- [21:57:17] <factoryjoe>
or rev?
- [21:57:20] <kingryan>
rev="vote-for"
- [21:57:21] <factoryjoe>
yeah, sorry
- [21:57:31] <factoryjoe>
what's rev mean?
- [21:57:37] <kingryan>
reverse relationship
- [21:57:54] <factoryjoe>
whoa
- [21:57:54] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [21:57:57] <factoryjoe>
right
- [21:58:07] <kingryan>
why 'whoa'?
- [21:58:28] <limbo_>
put me down for vote-against ;)
- [21:59:02] <kingryan>
I'm still vote-abstain
- [21:59:17] <factoryjoe>
b/c reverse relationship sounds complex
- [21:59:22] <factoryjoe>
but yeah, i get it
- [21:59:24] <limbo_>
it's the first day of schoo. can you blame me for being negative?
- [21:59:24] <limbo_>
*school even
- [21:59:41] <factoryjoe>
oh, i thought that was your normal level of snark
- [21:59:57] <limbo_>
this is going a bit beyond the call
- [22:00:13] <kingryan>
usually he restrains snark towards friends' projects
- [22:00:26] <limbo_>
i try.
- [22:00:30] <factoryjoe>
oh
- [22:00:34] <factoryjoe>
you don't though
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:P
- [22:00:41] <limbo_>
hehe
- [22:00:47] <kingryan>
wha?
- [22:00:58] <limbo_>
btw, he meant snark in public. not in private. that's always ok.
- [22:01:07] <kingryan>
limbo_++
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tantek?
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- [22:54:39] <edsu>
wow, that was like magic or something :)
- [22:55:10] <edsu>
tantek: i'm ed from the recent citations discussion on microformats-discuss
- [22:56:10] <edsu>
tantek: thanks for your email
- [22:58:15] <Tantek>
hi ed. no problem. i'm looking forward to progress towards a cite microformat.
- [22:58:54] <Tantek>
i'm hoping we can convince the folks with strong opinions on citations to join the irc channel so we can have a dialog
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- [23:03:00] <edsu>
Tantek: me too, that's a good idea
- [23:03:46] <Tantek>
hi brian!
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- [23:04:49] <briansuda>
hello
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- [23:08:01] <dchud>
last time i popped in here to ask about citations i was handed a parking ticket :)
- [23:11:26] <edsu>
tantek: not to be a bastage, but i'm wondering where ical was found on the internet in human visible form
- [23:12:39] <edsu>
you are totally right openurl is not human readable, but the key/value pairs are used to summarize citations every day in web applications
- [23:13:41] <edsu>
from your email i guess you see the utility of at least looking at the property names
- [23:14:21] <edsu>
i'm just concerned that trying to find a rosetta stone that connects extant citation formats will be recipe for failure
- [23:15:16] * edsu quiets down....
- [23:15:38] <Tantek>
edsu, your analysis is correct
- [23:15:42] <Tantek>
in reverse order
- [23:16:03] <Tantek>
yes, trying to find a rosetta stone to connect numerous different formats is a futile endeavour
- [23:16:14] <Tantek>
the reality is that most attempts at formats are pathetic and can be ignored
- [23:16:15] <edsu>
whew :)
- [23:16:27] <Tantek>
... except perhaps as lessons to be learned
- [23:16:33] <edsu>
Tantek: jesus, are you serious?
- [23:16:48] <edsu>
sorry, continue :)
- [23:16:57] <Tantek>
microformats absolutely recognize the utility of re-using names from existing formats
- [23:17:12] <edsu>
especially the puny useless ones?
- [23:17:39] <edsu>
ok now i'll really shut up, that just rattles my chain a bit to here you diss existing formats like that
- [23:18:22] <Tantek>
seriously, perhaps 1% of formats/standards are in actual use in the real world to any significant degree. the vast majority of previous formats/standards are "shelf-sitters"
- [23:18:38] <Tantek>
anyway, back to naming
- [23:18:54] <Tantek>
in particular, more details on naming in the context of microformats here: http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-principles
- [23:19:01] <edsu>
Tantek: i'm not sure whether to call your bluff on that or not
- [23:19:12] <Tantek>
in short: microformats try really hard to NOT invent new names for properties/concepts
- [23:19:21] <edsu>
gotcha
- [23:19:46] <Tantek>
and yes, the vocabulary of keys in OpenURL is perhaps the most interesting part of it
- [23:20:02] <edsu>
Tantek: i totally agree with that
- [23:20:22] <Tantek>
in the case of both iCalendar (RFC2445) and vCard (RFC2426), they completely dominated their respective content spaces (events and contact information)
- [23:20:36] <Tantek>
nothing even came close in terms of implementation, amount of content etc.
- [23:20:48] <Tantek>
that is rarely the case when it comes to data formats
- [23:20:53] <dchud>
okay. that's true also for OpenURL linking.
- [23:21:13] <edsu>
yeah, i think if you knew the citation space in libraries you would say the same thing about openurl though
- [23:21:15] <dchud>
not *publishing* citations per se, but the linking piece.
- [23:21:17] <hober>
speaking of citation, check out http://thatscrazyhot.com/
- [23:21:30] <Tantek>
dchud, if that is the case, then find some actual examples on the web and add them to the cite-examples page
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- [23:21:37] <Tantek>
currently there are zero such examples
- [23:21:59] <dchud>
right, this is where we're not understanding each other
- [23:22:11] <edsu>
Tantek: that's because as you say -- they are invisible
- [23:22:11] <dchud>
were there vcard and ical examples *on* the web when you started?
- [23:22:18] <Tantek>
and yes, microformats is focused on the publishing of human *visible* information
- [23:22:29] <Tantek>
dchud, yes
- [23:22:38] <edsu>
hober: thanks!
- [23:22:41] <Tantek>
more than that though
- [23:23:00] <Tantek>
vcard and ical literally dominate all the spaces (beyond the web) in terms of contacts and events
- [23:23:19] <Tantek>
every desktop/laptop today comes with builtin apps that support them
- [23:23:26] <dchud>
see, now, you get to say that, but we don't get to say that about linking :)
- [23:23:56] <dchud>
every major commercial citation management product on the market right now supports OpenURL.
- [23:24:13] <pbinkley>
every academic library user has a link resolver, too
- [23:24:15] <Tantek>
right, but the problem is that that sounds vaguely like a vertical market statement
- [23:24:21] * kingryan looks for a "commercial citation managment product" on his laptop
- [23:24:30] <Tantek>
yeah, the link resolver bit really sounds bad
- [23:24:34] <dchud>
kingryan: right. maybe you don't have one, but millions do.
- [23:24:46] <pbinkley>
bad?
- [23:24:47] * hober always used bibtex for citation management
- [23:24:58] <Tantek>
dchud, kingryan is a grad student, if he doesn't have one, that's not a good sign
- [23:25:10] <dchud>
Tantek: he's one grad student :)
- [23:25:16] <Tantek>
anyway
- [23:25:17] <dchud>
a very technically proficient one, to boot
- [23:25:20] <hober>
heh: http://www.citationmanagement.com/index.html
- [23:25:22] <kingryan>
openurl is certainly interesting prior art, but its not the only bit
- [23:25:25] <Tantek>
the space of citations has NUMEROUS standards
- [23:25:25] <hober>
not quite what we're talking about
- [23:25:31] <edsu>
kingryan: as apart of your studies do you get journal articles from licensed databases?
- [23:25:33] <dchud>
we're not claiming it's the only prior art
- [23:25:34] <Tantek>
that are in various degrees of use in various places
- [23:25:43] <kingryan>
edsu, yes
- [23:25:45] <Tantek>
heck, i'm still waiting for the dublin core police to show up
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- [23:25:57] <edsu>
kingryan: so you are probably using openurl without knowing it
- [23:26:07] <edsu>
kingryan: just as many use ical without knowing it
- [23:26:29] <Tantek>
anywa, the non-human readable aspect makes openurl a showstopper for a microformat
- [23:26:30] <dchud>
another important point: we don't even imagine we could just convince you that openurl profiles are the answer
- [23:26:41] <kingryan>
well, most of the time, I use google scholar, but sure, I'm sure I've used it without knowing
- [23:26:53] <dchud>
how do you think google scholar is linking to libraries for fulltext?
- [23:26:56] <edsu>
Tantek: the keyvalue pairs is where my interest lies, not in the url aspect anyhow
- [23:26:59] <Tantek>
dchud, there is no evidence that we need all of openurl to represent "typical" citation publication behavior on the web
- [23:27:07] <Tantek>
edsu, right
- [23:27:16] <Tantek>
the key is figuring out WHICH keys to use
- [23:27:30] <Tantek>
and that's where the research into actual realworld examples comes in
- [23:27:31] <kingryan>
dchud, I use it to find the free PDFs
- [23:27:33] <dchud>
Tantek: i'm not claiming you do need all of openurl
- [23:27:35] <edsu>
Tantek: the point is, that if the microformat leveraged those keyvalue pairs it could be easily used in other contexts
- [23:27:36] <Tantek>
or rather, that's why we start with that
- [23:27:43] <Tantek>
edsu, got it
- [23:28:13] <Tantek>
the steps are roughly
- [23:28:25] <Tantek>
document plenty of real world web publishing examples
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analyze them for implied schemas therein
- [23:29:02] <Tantek>
document existing formats
- [23:29:19] <Tantek>
come up with the 80/20 of common aspects of the examples
- [23:29:24] <edsu>
eg. bibtex, openurl etc?
- [23:29:26] <Tantek>
brainstorm on what that 80/20 should be
- [23:29:28] <Tantek>
edsu, yes
- [23:29:33] <Tantek>
then
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argue about which names to reuse from which pre-existing works for that 80/20
- [23:29:57] <Tantek>
perhaps consider several brainstorming proposals
- [23:30:13] <Tantek>
and what we've found is that it's usually become quite obvious by the end of that discussion what to do
- [23:30:18] <Tantek>
and there is a fairly good consensus
- [23:30:37] <Tantek>
anyway, i have to run for a bit
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for now
- [23:31:02] <Tantek>
i encourage folks to review the cite-examples, cite-formats, and cite-brainstorming pages on the wiki
- [23:31:08] <edsu>
me too, thanks for the chat
- [23:31:31] <Tantek>
no problem edsu, thanks for your contributions!
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- [23:31:55] <kingryan>
yes, thanks to you guys for contributing
- [23:32:04] <kingryan>
but understand where we're coming from...
- [23:32:05] <dchud>
so just to clarify
- [23:32:20] <kingryan>
we're thinking web centric (open web, not behind firewalls and such)
- [23:32:23] <dchud>
where is the best place to put our "microfauxmat" citation markup examples?
- [23:32:35] <briansuda>
my suggestion for some openURL folks would be to add the key/values to the cite-formats matrix, that would save me some time
- [23:32:39] <kingryan>
a strawman format?
- [23:33:14] <kingryan>
probably http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-brainstorming (though I don't know what's there now)
- [23:33:24] <dchud>
briansuda: okay, the two best profiles to start from are journal and book, should we split them up?
- [23:33:37] <kingryan>
eh, nevermind on citation-brainstorming, that stuff needs to be moved elsewhere
- [23:34:03] <edsu>
yeah, that page always confuses me
- [23:34:06] <briansuda>
go ahead and split them-up, we can always collapse them easier than explode them
- [23:34:26] <kingryan>
yeah, that's a different discussion
- [23:34:38] <dchud>
kingryan: yes, that page is fairly different
- [23:34:39] <kingryan>
its talking about how to do distributed conversation on blogs
- [23:34:48] * kingryan created that page :D
- [23:34:53] <edsu>
heh
- [23:35:20] <dchud>
kingryan: if you want to move/rename/whatever and post to the list with the specific place you end up wanting us to post these examples, we will
- [23:35:36] <kingryan>
k, give me some time to move the stuff around, then I'll ping you guys, so that you can put your stuff in
- [23:35:41] <kingryan>
kk
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- [23:35:46] <kingryan>
that'll work best
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that way we can respond on-list sounding helpful rather than petulantly combative
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[[Talk:citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+27) Talk:citation-brainstorming moved to Talk:distributed-conversation-brainstorming
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+11596) citation-brainstorming moved to distributed-conversation-brainstorming
- [23:36:20] <dchud>
kingryan: great, thanks for talking us through it
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- [23:37:37] <kingryan>
briansuda, is it ok if I move the cite-* stuff to citation-* ?
- [23:37:52] <briansuda>
yes please, we do have a naming issue...
- [23:37:55] <limbo_>
cite has too many senses
- [23:38:08] <briansuda>
make sure that doesn't collide with your relCite
- [23:38:16] <kingryan>
I moved limbo_ and I's citeRel stuff to distributed-converstation-*
- [23:38:32] <kingryan>
and I'm going to move all citation related stuffs from cite-* to citation-*
- [23:38:46] <kingryan>
just so that we don't confuse 'citation' with '<cite>'
- [23:38:50] <briansuda>
yes
- [23:38:58] <mfbot>
[[cite-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-formats&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+27603) cite-formats moved to citation-formats
- [23:38:59] <edsu>
cool, thanks guys
- [23:39:09] <mfbot>
[[cite]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+4565) cite moved to citation
- [23:39:21] <edsu>
i have to head out, would be good to continue this conversation though -- without my petulance :)
- [23:39:52] <edsu>
you guys are doing great work, imho
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- [23:40:25] <mfbot>
[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) deleted "citation-brainstorming": content was: '#REDIRECT [[distributed-conversation-brainstorming]]'
- [23:40:31] <mfbot>
[[cite-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+8844) cite-brainstorming moved to citation-brainstorming
- [23:40:47] <mfbot>
[[cite-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite-examples&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+18389) cite-examples moved to citation-examples
- [23:41:00] <kingryan>
k, I think I've moved everything
- [23:41:27] <briansuda>
i'll try to go through it tonight and make sure all the links on the pages link to the right places
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- [23:44:28] <kingryan>
thanks briansuda
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karlUshi is karlcow
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