IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-25
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- [00:15:39] <factoryjoe>
huh, memoryminer should use hcard and hcalendar: http://www.memoryminer.com/software/video.html
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com
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- [00:48:52] <bkdelong>
Is it me or is this channel getting bigger?
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- [00:56:34] <kingryan>
bkdelong, yeah, we have scope creep
- [00:56:53] <bkdelong_>
hehe. scope creep? In what way?
- [00:58:55] <kingryan>
people in more areas are getting interested, we're having more diverse discussions
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anyway, gotta run
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=4394 * Brian * (+12) Exploratory discussions -
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[[citation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation&diff=0&oldid=4395 * Brian * (+263) Modularity -
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4396 * Brian * (+12) See also -
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[[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=4397 * Brian * (+15) Cite Examples -
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[[citation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=4398 * Brian * (+12) Citation Formats -
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[[citation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation&diff=0&oldid=4399 * Brian * (+4) Known Citation Formats -
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[[citation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation&diff=0&oldid=4400 * Brian * (+4) Example Citations -
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[[citation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation&diff=0&oldid=4401 * Brian * (+4) Citation Brainstorming Ideas -
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karlUshi is karlcow
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp & Rhyzomatic & is working towards open source world domination & factorycityblug (http://factoryjoe.com/blog/) & looks like http://www.flickr.com/photos/dotben/70970770/
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amanuel_ is running The Intentional Web Initiative http://intentionalweb.org
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karlUshi is karlcow
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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kingryan is ryan king
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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tara is Miss HorsePigCow (http://www.horsepigcow.com/) and the alter-ego of missrogue
- [07:41:27] <KevinMarks>
evening tara
- [07:41:42] <tara>
kevinmarks: evening!
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[rel-tag-faq]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-faq * Singpolyma * (+257) URL format question
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00).
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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What head profile do I need for microformats.
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=4402 * Sbonzix * (+95) Examples in the wild -
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[[multilingual-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=multilingual-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4403 * Patfm * (-35) Previous discussions - luistxo's site is up again
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com)
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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neat. google mentions microformats at http://code.google.com/webstats/index.html
- [17:11:09] <bkdelong_>
oooh
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Hopefully Chris et al will start indexing them all.
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indexing them contextually, that is
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zacker is working at CivicSpace Labs : www.civicspacelabs.org
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bewest - very interesting about those Google studies
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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- [18:46:28] <tantek>
kingryan, did you see the Google study of markup?
- [18:46:44] <kingryan>
just saw it, haven't had a chance to read it yet
- [18:48:00] <_fil_>
can you share the document (url)?
- [18:48:55] <kingryan>
http://code.google.com/webstats/index.html
- [18:50:54] <pnhChris>
its interesting, but i haven't had time to digest it yet either
- [18:51:37] <kingryan>
holy shit, they link to us
- [18:52:19] <pnhChris>
i saw XFN mentioned when i was poking around befre
- [18:52:26] <tantek>
right
- [18:53:24] <kingryan>
tantek, do you know who's behind this?
- [18:53:45] <limbo_>
"persuit of bite-sized reusable semantics"
- [18:53:49] <limbo_>
good one
- [18:54:20] <tantek>
i don't know, but judging from the writing and topics, i'd say there is a good chance that Hixie was involved (let's see if that wakes him up)
- [18:54:26] <kingryan>
yeah, seems like they get it, limbo_
- [18:54:54] <kingryan>
yeah, this stuff could be useful for Hixie's whatwg work
- [18:55:38] <tantek>
the linkrels page links to my blog post on rel="bookmark"! http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/linkrels.html
- [18:56:00] <kingryan>
talk about some pagerank boosting!
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factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp & Rhyzomatic & is working towards open source world domination & factorycityblug (http://factoryjoe.com/blog/) & looks like http://www.flickr.com/photos/dotben/70970770/
- [18:56:58] <kingryan>
only 23 referals from it so far
- [18:57:10] <tantek>
According to http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/pageheaders.html XFN is "the most popular HTML metadata profile"!
- [18:57:12] <factoryjoe>
...from what?
- [18:57:37] <kingryan>
http://code.google.com/webstats/index.html
- [18:57:46] * kingryan read it, factoryjoe
- [18:57:58] * factoryjoe trots off to read "it"
- [18:58:08] <kingryan>
tantek, I bet wp alone would do it
- [18:58:09] <pnhChris>
yeah. that's the comment i saw before
- [18:58:09] <bewest|work>
yeah, I mentioned that earlier today microformats is favorably mentioned by google
- [18:58:30] <tantek>
kingryan, could be, but still amazing that XFN outdid Dublin Core
- [18:58:37] <bewest|work>
and tantek is mentioned favorably in the discussion on "rel"
- [18:58:44] <tantek>
yes bewest, we're riffing on your thread
- [18:58:58] <kingryan>
affrg, SVG is slow
- [18:59:00] <kingryan>
arrrg*
- [18:59:16] * bewest|work pipes down
- [18:59:19] <_psychic_>
it doesn't seem to work at all on my machine :(
- [18:59:31] <tantek>
oh, is that what is causing my Firefox 1.5 to lag and sometimes crash? SVG?
- [18:59:37] <kingryan>
_psychic_, did you try it with FireFox?
- [18:59:40] <tantek>
(while reading these google pages)
- [18:59:51] <_psychic_>
kingryan: good call - I'll try that
- [18:59:56] <kingryan>
yeah, these graphs are all svg
- [19:00:05] <kingryan>
FF has, arguably the best svg support
- [19:00:09] <kingryan>
but it still sucks
- [19:00:10] <bewest|work>
ah I was wondering if svg was slow for just me
- [19:00:21] <bewest|work>
very slow
- [19:00:30] * tantek needs to update his CSS polygons hacks
- [19:00:32] <limbo_>
FF stabilty gets worse from version to version (at least on pc)
- [19:00:45] <tantek>
CSS polygons are ironically much faster than the SVG implementation in FF.
- [19:01:17] * kingryan needs to look at tantek's css polygons
- [19:01:40] <kingryan>
yeah, they could probably have done most of these graphs (at least the bar graphs) w/ just html+css
- [19:01:50] <tantek>
precisely
- [19:01:50] <limbo_>
tag is a big part of the recent "Web 2.0 collaborative remixability social tagging" trend.
- [19:01:54] <limbo_>
go meme go!
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- [19:02:05] <tantek>
ooh, my polygons page is #10 on Google for "polygons"
- [19:02:26] <tantek>
http://www.google.com/search?q=polygons
- [19:02:42] <tantek>
http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/polygons.html
- [19:03:14] <kingryan>
wow, it appears that most people use presentational classnames: http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/classes.html
- [19:03:48] <kingryan>
"footer", "small", "header", "smalltext"
- [19:03:52] <limbo_>
yeah, the state of the sematic-markup-o'sphere is bad bad bad
- [19:03:59] <limbo_>
there's at least two microsoftisms in there
- [19:04:07] <kingryan>
of course, the pages surveyed may have been created long ago
- [19:04:21] <kingryan>
pre-semantic markup revolution
- [19:04:23] <limbo_>
the mso.... one and the style1 i think would also be ms related
- [19:04:25] <tantek>
footer and header are semantic
- [19:04:38] <limbo_>
ryan, that's still the overwhelming majority of content
- [19:04:46] <kingryan>
true, limbo_
- [19:04:49] <kingryan>
which is fine
- [19:04:50] <pnhChris>
knowing that many MS Office publish docs are out there is a bit scary :P
- [19:05:06] <kingryan>
tantek, I could put the same info in either a footer or a sidebar
- [19:05:10] <kingryan>
and might want to move it
- [19:05:24] <limbo_>
yeah, i tried publishing with word once. then i looked at the html source and never did it again.
- [19:05:38] <kingryan>
ok, this is definitely Hixie's work
- [19:05:46] <tantek>
yeah, that's my impression as well
- [19:05:46] <kingryan>
"This actually maps very well to the elements that are being proposed in HTML5:"
- [19:05:52] <kingryan>
from http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/classes.html
- [19:06:24] <tantek>
woohoo! top two <a rel> values are microformats!
- [19:06:25] <tantek>
http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/element-a.html
- [19:06:29] <tantek>
rel="nofollow"
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rel="license"
- [19:06:39] <kingryan>
hells yes
- [19:06:42] <tantek>
#5 is rel-tag!
- [19:07:09] <kingryan>
rel has been pwned
- [19:08:37] <trovster>
I wanna know what footer and header are classes!!! I mean, how many per page do people need.
- [19:08:38] <kingryan>
pnhChris, at least there are more text/plain documents than application/msword
- [19:09:02] <kingryan>
trovster, I don't understand?
- [19:09:02] <trovster>
I created my first site in word. Kickass!
- [19:09:13] <kingryan>
I don't think it says there are more than one per page
- [19:09:27] * kingryan created his first website in clarisworks
- [19:09:38] <trovster>
kingryan: So why not use an ID.
- [19:09:50] <kingryan>
ah, good point, trovster
- [19:09:53] <trovster>
classes are used so they can be repeated on the page...
- [19:09:58] <kingryan>
I think that's what I usually do
- [19:10:10] <pnhChris>
yeah.. but then you can't use id for something else
- [19:10:27] <trovster>
I'm using an Id naming scheme that Andy Clarke proposed.
- [19:10:31] <pnhChris>
(think more along the liens of a site wide style sheet)
- [19:10:45] <trovster>
pnhChris: eh?
- [19:10:46] <kingryan>
right, but each page will have only one footer, no?
- [19:11:12] <trovster>
I've always wanted a standard on id naming convention for general block elements. Could that be in the scope of microformats?
- [19:11:26] <kingryan>
trovster, have you seen webpatterns.org?
- [19:11:33] <trovster>
Nope
- [19:11:39] <hober>
I imagine wordpress' default theme is what bumped xfn up so high
- [19:11:54] <kingryan>
they're doing something similar to µf's, but a much higher-level, interaction focused view
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- [19:16:56] <kingryan>
in the survey, anytime microsoft office and HTML are mentioned together, HTML is in quotes
- [19:17:01] <kingryan>
I like that
- [19:17:15] <bewest|work>
yeah
- [19:17:20] <_psychic_>
haha
- [19:17:51] <kingryan>
example: "Most (all?) of the xmlns:foo attributes are artefacts of Microsoft Office's creative "HTML""
- [19:18:57] <bewest|work>
how is a footer class non-semantic?
- [19:19:07] <bewest|work>
or rather, what makes footer so presentational
- [19:19:20] <trovster>
It's not.
- [19:19:23] <bewest|work>
btw the style1 class is a macromedia dreamweaver
- [19:19:26] <trovster>
We were talking about using an ID.
- [19:19:32] <kingryan>
I admit, there's a fine line here, but I prefer to think of it as presentational
- [19:19:36] <kingryan>
but that's just me
- [19:19:53] <tantek>
it's semantic with heavy implication of default presentation
- [19:19:59] <kingryan>
'cause I know that I've called things "footer" before, then decided to restyle them as a sidebar
- [19:20:01] <tantek>
similar to <tfoot>
- [19:20:12] <kingryan>
and thead?
- [19:20:17] <tantek>
yes
- [19:20:23] <trovster>
What'd you call it? id="supplementary-information-you-don't-need-to-read" ?
- [19:20:49] <kingryan>
depends on what I put there
- [19:21:11] <kingryan>
recently I had one that I called "colophon," 'cause that's what it really was
- [19:21:18] <trovster>
Maybe "footnote" is better, but "foot" still means the bottom.
- [19:21:48] <kingryan>
it's not a big deal, just a personal preference
- [19:21:54] <trovster>
Aye.
- [19:22:00] <trovster>
But I think semantics can be taken tooo far.
- [19:22:28] <kingryan>
indeed
- [19:22:31] <tantek>
remember that ordering is part of semantics
- [19:22:49] <tantek>
thus header implies it comes before, and footer implies it comes after
- [19:22:52] <kingryan>
but the document structure can do that already
- [19:23:00] * bewest|work always wondered why there was no "foot" element in html
- [19:23:02] <tantek>
whether that is left to right or top to bottom is presentational
- [19:23:08] <factoryjoe>
<table><thead><tbody><tfoot></table>
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- [19:23:13] <jibot>
RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
- [19:23:14] <bewest|work>
you have root html and then head, and body as children... why no foot?
- [19:23:35] <factoryjoe>
interesting that table has these elements and body doesn't map the same
- [19:23:38] <kingryan>
there might be something in html5
- [19:23:42] <trovster>
factoryjoe: <tfoot> come before <tbody>
- [19:23:45] <bewest|work>
if they had made a foot element, I bet we'd see a lot less of id and class attributes labeled "foot" or footer
- [19:23:59] <factoryjoe>
better might have been (don't hate me) <html><meta><head><body><foot></html>
- [19:24:13] <factoryjoe>
trovster: oh yeah, true
- [19:24:31] <factoryjoe>
bewest|work: of course
- [19:24:36] <pnhChris>
would foot be rendered in the browser window? would head?
- [19:24:45] <pnhChris>
(to factoryjoe )
- [19:25:18] * bewest|work checks if SOAP has a foot
- [19:25:29] <kingryan>
pnhChris, you wouldn't have to give them any special default presentation
- [19:25:30] <tantek>
factoryjoe, except that <head> doesn't render
- [19:25:32] <tantek>
typicaly
- [19:25:41] <tantek>
thus <html> only really has <body>
- [19:25:56] <factoryjoe>
tantek: that's a browser default
- [19:26:00] <factoryjoe>
you can make head render
- [19:26:09] <factoryjoe>
pnhChris: yes, both would render
- [19:26:12] <tantek>
but you can't put paragraphs and such in it
- [19:26:18] <factoryjoe>
tantek: i'm just saying
- [19:26:21] <factoryjoe>
ignore the existing spec
- [19:26:21] <tantek>
it certainly wasn't designed to render
- [19:26:24] <factoryjoe>
of course
- [19:26:32] <factoryjoe>
hence my suggestion for <meta>
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- [19:26:34] <jibot>
dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com)
- [19:26:41] <bewest|work>
soap has no foot
- [19:26:44] <factoryjoe>
as a renaming of the *current* <head> tag
- [19:26:57] <tantek>
yeah, i'm not sure of <meta>
- [19:27:16] <factoryjoe>
well, that's how <head> is used
- [19:27:18] <tantek>
all the human readable/relevant stuff should go in the visible content
- [19:27:24] <factoryjoe>
i don't care what you call it, only how it's used
- [19:27:32] <tantek>
there's very little meta that is actually useful/necessary
- [19:27:36] <factoryjoe>
agreed
- [19:27:45] <factoryjoe>
what about feed alternate links?
- [19:27:50] <factoryjoe>
guess those are the orange chicklets?
- [19:27:58] <tantek>
yep
- [19:27:59] <factoryjoe>
instead of <link rel /> etc?
- [19:28:06] <kingryan>
factoryjoe, those are usually repeated, anyway
- [19:28:13] <tantek>
think <a rel> instead of <link rel> typically
- [19:28:23] <tantek>
stylesheets are about the only legitimate use there
- [19:28:24] <factoryjoe>
right
- [19:28:26] <factoryjoe>
yeah
- [19:28:31] <factoryjoe>
what about script tags?
- [19:28:33] <tantek>
sometimes alternate language versions
- [19:28:33] <kingryan>
and script?
- [19:28:38] <tantek>
script tags go anywhere already
- [19:28:43] <factoryjoe>
sure but...
- [19:28:45] <trovster>
Oh, is there a microformat for RSS then? <a href="" rel="rss"> ?
- [19:28:53] <factoryjoe>
wouldn't it be nice if you could rely on <body> to contain just content?
- [19:29:15] <tantek>
that assume you agree on what "just content" means
- [19:29:15] <hober>
trovster: rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml"
- [19:29:17] <kingryan>
trovster, a@type
- [19:29:17] <trovster>
It annoys me with sites that only have <link> to their RSS. As I don't want to use FF live bookmarks, but another program.
- [19:29:22] <pnhChris>
it really be nice if browsers were smart enough that feeds and such didn't have to be "content"
- [19:29:27] <factoryjoe>
tantek: visible content
- [19:29:27] <trovster>
hober: Not in <link> in <a href="">
- [19:29:34] <trovster>
kingryan: ?
- [19:29:40] <factoryjoe>
pnhChris: man, I can't wait
- [19:29:41] <pnhChris>
trovster: sounds like FF needs more options :P
- [19:29:41] <kingryan>
what hober said
- [19:29:43] <hober>
trovster: <link/> and <a/> take all the same args
- [19:29:44] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [19:29:48] <hober>
so just s/link/a/
- [19:29:54] <factoryjoe>
if only we had another browser...
- [19:30:03] <kingryan>
safari works pretty well
- [19:30:07] <tantek>
btw, the existing use of class="content" may be a reason to reconsider using it in hAtom
- [19:30:20] <trovster>
pnhChris: Yes, tell me about it. AND that when you save them livebookmark, it takes the page name you were on, and not the title attribute of the <link> which is annoying.
- [19:30:20] <kingryan>
tantek, yes
- [19:30:43] <tantek>
warning: slow loading page: http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/classes.html
- [19:30:50] <trovster>
hober: So, <a href="" rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml"> would be valid?
- [19:31:03] <hober>
trovster: yes
- [19:31:17] <pnhChris>
tantek: camino seems to be loading all of those pretty speedily
- [19:31:17] <hober>
though it would be better with s/rss/atom/ :)
- [19:31:23] <trovster>
hober: Interesting.
- [19:31:31] <tantek>
how do i turn off SVG in FF 1.5?
- [19:31:36] <trovster>
hober: Well, I'd have both ;) maybe
- [19:31:44] <factoryjoe>
tantek: build from source
- [19:31:58] <kingryan>
tantek: you need svg for this survey
- [19:32:08] <kingryan>
camino++
- [19:32:11] <hober>
trovster: only give people one feed. their feed reader can handle the format.
- [19:32:45] <tantek>
kingryan, this is dumb, they should at least provide PNG fallback images
- [19:32:53] <kingryan>
trovster, the only problem with type="application/rss+xml" is that I don't believe that rss has a registered type
- [19:33:06] <kingryan>
tantek, talk to hixie
- [19:33:30] <trovster>
hober: hmm, that's a good point, but I'm not sure over RSS2.0 and Atom. I have a script for both.
- [19:33:34] <kingryan>
I tried looking at it with safari and it couldn't do the svg and there was no fallback
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- [19:34:16] * tantek wonders if we could come up with a barchart microformat that could be styled with CSS to *look* like a barchart
- [19:34:35] <factoryjoe>
safari choked
- [19:34:51] <kingryan>
tantek, people have already experimented with this
- [19:34:52] <factoryjoe>
tantek: someone posted CSS for doing bar charts teh other day from definition lists
- [19:35:05] <factoryjoe>
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/barchart.html
- [19:35:08] <kingryan>
eric meyer's done some work with it
- [19:35:11] <tantek>
i know there have been experiments
- [19:35:18] <factoryjoe>
http://apples-to-oranges.com/blog/article.aspx?id=55
- [19:35:52] <tantek>
but the markup sucks frankly
- [19:36:05] <tantek>
that first example violates DRY
- [19:37:12] <tantek>
actually both do
- [19:37:13] <bewest|work>
anyone have a preferred way to markup a form such that it presents like a table? unordered list? definition list?
- [19:37:16] <tantek>
that's the problem
- [19:37:28] <trovster>
DRY?
- [19:37:37] <RobertBachmann>
don't repeat yourself
- [19:37:44] * tantek sets mode +o RobertBachmann
- [19:37:44] <trovster>
bewest|work: I use DLs
- [19:37:49] * tantek sets mode +o KevinMarks
- [19:38:22] <factoryjoe>
tantek: indeed
- [19:38:29] <factoryjoe>
tantek: did you ever see my stars?
- [19:38:41] <kingryan>
factoryjoe, I showed them to him
- [19:38:54] <kingryan>
you might not like the reaction :D
- [19:38:57] <trovster>
What stars? Rating system?
- [19:39:03] <factoryjoe>
oh
- [19:39:06] <factoryjoe>
doh
- [19:39:11] <factoryjoe>
trovster: yeah
- [19:39:15] <factoryjoe>
semantic using forms
- [19:39:29] <kingryan>
and personally, after I dug into it, it seems quite kludgy
- [19:39:30] <trovster>
I'd be interested in seeing, I've read a few.
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- [19:39:39] <kingryan>
there may not be a better way, though
- [19:39:45] <factoryjoe>
http://factorycity.net/demos/drupal/rating/default.html
- [19:39:53] <bewest|work>
so you don't think wrapping a label in a dt is a bit excessive?
- [19:39:53] <factoryjoe>
kingryan: of course
- [19:40:11] <trovster>
bewest|work: That's what some people argue.
- [19:40:21] <factoryjoe>
basically i was trying to replicate the amazon star system
- [19:40:25] <factoryjoe>
in doing so
- [19:40:28] <bewest|work>
factoryjoe: nice... netflicks has something similar
- [19:40:31] <factoryjoe>
i realized they were using an iframe and a table
- [19:40:50] <factoryjoe>
so i decided to do it w/ labels and radio buttons
- [19:40:56] <factoryjoe>
check it w/o styles in firefox
- [19:41:00] <trovster>
factoryjoe: I suggest you look at this, I like that. http://komodomedia.com/blog/index.php/2006/01/09/css-star-rating-part-deux/
- [19:41:05] <trovster>
Prefer that, even
- [19:41:12] <factoryjoe>
trovster: i've seen that
- [19:41:18] <factoryjoe>
but it's not semantic from what i recall
- [19:41:22] <factoryjoe>
it doesn't use labels
- [19:41:36] <kingryan>
yeah, trovster, that one isn't very semantic markup
- [19:41:40] <factoryjoe>
yeah, that's not a form
- [19:41:44] <factoryjoe>
those are links
- [19:41:53] <kingryan>
they use a list of <a href>'s
- [19:41:58] <trovster>
Ah, ok yeh.
- [19:42:07] <factoryjoe>
trovster: did you check my markup?
- [19:42:20] <kingryan>
it should really be a select or a radio group
- [19:42:27] <factoryjoe>
radio group?
- [19:42:33] <factoryjoe>
kingryan: it is
- [19:42:39] <trovster>
I saw the radio buttons, yes, with ???? by them ;)
- [19:42:42] <factoryjoe>
turn off yoru firefox styles!
- [19:42:49] <factoryjoe>
trovster: on mac, those are stars
- [19:42:59] <trovster>
Yes, on FF there are too.
- [19:43:02] <trovster>
Oh.
- [19:43:11] <trovster>
Sorry, I understand now.... wierd.
- [19:43:20] <trovster>
Using a different font then.
- [19:43:28] <factoryjoe>
yeah
- [19:43:31] <trovster>
I think a select is more appropriate. But radios are also good.
- [19:43:34] <factoryjoe>
obviously you could change it
- [19:43:49] <trovster>
Yup.
- [19:44:04] <factoryjoe>
and the javascript is not necessary
- [19:44:12] <trovster>
It requires JS, so why to replace the select with the list and use the one I posted. I think that's the best solution.
- [19:44:15] <factoryjoe>
since the labels trigger the value setting of the radio buttons
- [19:44:24] <factoryjoe>
trovster: it doesn't require it
- [19:44:31] <factoryjoe>
that's only to show the value is recorded
- [19:44:41] <factoryjoe>
you can remove the js and it will still work
- [19:44:46] <factoryjoe>
in browsers that support the label tag
- [19:45:24] <trovster>
Nice.
- [19:45:40] <trovster>
Wonder how difficult it would be to do from a select box..
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- [19:46:58] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda and brian suda of X2V fame
- [19:47:13] <kingryan>
hi briansuda
- [19:47:18] <briansuda>
afternoon
- [19:48:27] <factoryjoe>
hey briansuda
- [19:48:35] <factoryjoe>
ok, back to the salt mine for me
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- [19:56:49] <kingryan>
it would be interesting to segment this google research by age of the document
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- [20:00:22] <limbo_>
i think the study should have had a section for the last year
- [20:00:38] <limbo_>
especially if they wanna use it to justify HTML 5 changes
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- [20:01:09] <briansuda>
with the HTTP Headers you should be able to get Last-Modified
- [20:02:15] <kingryan>
yeah
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- [20:02:34] <kingryan>
that may not be 100% reliable, but it'd be interesting to plot the changes in some element/attributes
- [20:05:36] <kingryan>
I just realized the google survey uses the HTML5 doctype: "<!DOCTYPE HTML>"
- [20:07:19] <Hixie>
so, er, i see y'all found our recently published research :-D
- [20:09:41] <kingryan>
yes, Hixie
- [20:09:46] <kingryan>
very interesting stuff
- [20:10:00] <Hixie>
thought you'd like it
- [20:10:26] <Hixie>
hopefully tantek won't complain about me not having done any research now :-P
- [20:10:33] <Hixie>
over a billion documents! :-P
- [20:11:18] <Hixie>
btw the stats are all "nuwber of pages that mention", not "number of mentions per page", so e.g. <p><p><p> counts the same number of <p>s as just one <p>.
- [20:11:19] <kingryan>
wow
- [20:11:29] <kingryan>
I wish I had the support to do a study that big
- [20:12:10] <Hixie>
google's great for things like this, people really rally around projects like this
- [20:12:48] <kingryan>
nice
- [20:14:14] <trovster>
Hixie: So what about limiting it to recent information ;)
- [20:14:38] <Hixie>
you mean, like, only pages that have recent Last-Modified-Since headers?
- [20:14:49] <limbo_>
or to information published by microformats advocates...
- [20:14:55] <trovster>
Yeh, like limbo_ mentioned.
- [20:15:17] <Hixie>
don't see how to do that
- [20:15:25] <Hixie>
could limit it to L-M-S headers relatively easily
- [20:15:30] <Hixie>
i was thinking of doing that at one point
- [20:15:43] <kingryan>
how about limiting it just to tantek's blog?
- [20:15:51] <kingryan>
:D
- [20:15:55] <limbo_>
hehe
- [20:16:16] <kingryan>
I'd be really interested in seeing trends over time
- [20:16:21] <Hixie>
yeah, me too
- [20:16:26] <limbo_>
thing is, there's tons of cruft on the internet. trying to look at more recent trends would be more informative
- [20:16:27] <kingryan>
especially with presentational elements/attributes
- [20:16:35] <kingryan>
yeah, limbo_
- [20:17:08] <Hixie>
i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of recent pages suck too :-)
- [20:17:09] <Hixie>
but yeah
- [20:17:26] <limbo_>
even if you only come up with some heuristic to filter newer docs that's not 100% accurate it would be very interesting
- [20:17:59] <kingryan>
yeah, Hixie, but we could hope that they suck less
- [20:18:03] <kingryan>
or suck in different ways
- [20:18:37] <limbo_>
it's not so much about the sucking as about the differences in what people do
- [20:18:45] <Hixie>
but do you want to see your dreams shattered, that's the question :-)
- [20:18:49] <Hixie>
i agree it would be interesting
- [20:18:58] <limbo_>
hehe good point
- [20:19:27] <kingryan>
Hixie, I don't have dreams, only nightmares
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- [20:21:24] <trovster>
'lo taare
- [20:21:29] <taare>
Hi
- [20:21:35] <Hixie>
where is tantek, anyway
- [20:21:45] <briansuda>
obviously google has a large data set already, but with the same code you COULD grep the files from tthe internet archive, then you could possibly do more trend analysis because you know the dates the files were saved
- [20:22:10] <kingryan>
tantek's been sick lately
- [20:22:22] <kingryan>
good point, briansuda
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BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT 1000
- [20:24:08] <KevinMarks>
i have a db of rel values in blogs
- [20:24:32] <trovster>
I've added the XFN ones for a few sites in to a DB. How many are ther?
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- [20:25:16] <pnhChris>
age is tough too though.. have a lot of stuff that may have been designed 4 years ago, but due to copy changes or other things as small as changing the copyright date or destroying the date stamps moving hosts in the modified dates wouldn't be very representative of the markup
- [20:28:14] <kingryan>
pnhChris, presumably, that situation could be avoided by using the internet archive
- [20:28:45] <bkdelong_>
But in my experience the IA is "hella incomplete"
- [20:29:50] <bkdelong_>
very hard to rely on.
- [20:29:56] <kingryan>
yes, bkdelong_
- [20:30:13] <kingryan>
they're still reliant on alexa data, though they're trying to get away from that
- [20:30:35] <kingryan>
they're doing specialized crawls for certain, historically significant topics
- [20:30:50] <kingryan>
and are looking towards doing their own interweb-wide crawling
- [20:31:04] <bkdelong_>
which makes sense. And Heritrix looks pretty good and robust.
- [20:34:08] <kingryan>
yeah, heretrix is good
- [20:34:25] <kingryan>
but, I believe, the engineer who's built most of it has left
- [20:34:46] <bkdelong_>
Who? Gordon Mohr?
- [20:35:14] <bkdelong_>
(My Heritrix history knowledge is limited)
- [20:35:18] <kingryan>
no, uh, I can't remember his name now
- [20:35:33] <kingryan>
but I've met him before and some of my classmates have worked on it
- [20:35:40] <bkdelong_>
gotcha
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- [20:36:42] <kingryan>
their project - http://chronica.cs.usfca.edu/
- [20:37:38] <bkdelong_>
Nice, thanks. Anyway....we're off topic. What were we using IA to search for?
- [20:38:02] <kingryan>
have you seen the google report? code.google.com/webstats/index.html
- [20:38:37] <kingryan>
oh and the heretrix engineer's name was Igor Ranitovic
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- [20:46:17] <tantek>
oh hey Hixie, nice to see you drop by
- [20:46:29] <Hixie>
hey tantek
- [20:46:37] <Hixie>
a billion pages! :-D
- [20:46:41] <tantek>
i'm probably going to be in/out of here as I try to rest/recuperate today
- [20:46:44] <tantek>
yeah, nice
- [20:46:49] <Hixie>
hope you get better soon, dude
- [20:46:54] <Hixie>
sorry to hear you're under the weather
- [20:46:55] <tantek>
definitely an impressive set of research!
- [20:46:59] <tantek>
yeah, being sick sucks
- [20:47:11] <tantek>
it really cuts down on productivity
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- [20:47:19] <Hixie>
yeah, really
- [20:47:21] <dglazkov>
you don't sound sick
- [20:47:24] <trovster>
Tell me 'bout it. Moving my eyes hurts !
- [20:47:28] <trovster>
dglazkov: Hehe.
- [20:47:41] <tantek>
hrgmmgm, gurgle, cough cough
- [20:47:45] <_fil_>
I have a ridiculous question: how do you do "feed autodiscovery" on yourself when you're an hAtom "feed"?
- [20:48:07] <tantek>
you autodiscover to an XSLT which converts the hAtom into Atom
- [20:48:14] <_fil_>
I was sick yesterday, enjoyed being "non-productive"
- [20:48:19] <_fil_>
no no
- [20:48:30] <dglazkov>
get well, tantek, get better
- [20:48:39] <tantek>
thx dglazkov
- [20:48:43] <_fil_>
I mean, how does a (future) web browser "find out" that my page is hatom
- [20:49:03] <tantek>
well once we have an hAtom profile, at a URL
- [20:49:15] <tantek>
then your page references that profile in the <head profile="">
- [20:49:21] <_fil_>
okay
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- [20:49:47] <tantek>
and then it presumably looks for the hAtom root class(es)
- [20:49:54] <tantek>
like hfeed and hentry presumably
- [20:50:11] <_fil_>
so it's not going to be feed/entry after all?
- [20:50:36] <_fil_>
I've got all the parts working, just waiting for "final draft" :)
- [20:51:07] <_fil_>
or takeoff
- [20:56:50] <BenjaminCarlyle>
_fil_: The latest hAtom2Atom.xsl hosted by RobertBachmann uses the new nomenclature. I'm not sure whether or not the current version is considered the 0.1 draft or not at this stage. It hasn't changed since the 10th, and still defines opacity rules.
- [20:58:17] <BenjaminCarlyle>
<http://rbach.priv.at/repos/hatom/hatom2atom.xsl/trunk/>
- [20:59:32] <tantek>
i am still convinced that any of the opacity rules are necessary at all
- [20:59:39] <tantek>
(for hAtom that is)
- [20:59:59] <_fil_>
I think opacity is too complicated
- [21:00:11] <tantek>
worse, it is unnecessary
- [21:00:11] <_fil_>
you need to apply the 80/20 rule here too :)
- [21:00:24] <tantek>
sorry
- [21:00:26] <tantek>
i meant
- [21:00:36] <tantek>
i am still NOT convinced that any of the opacity rules are necessary at all
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- [21:01:02] <_fil_>
no, you meant: "i am still convinced opacity rules are NOT necessary at all" :)
- [21:01:28] <BenjaminCarlyle>
I think that's probably the case. Opacity makes it hard to do excerpts, tagging... a number of useful things. I think it's probably too big a hammer to apply to the root problem (not wanting to pick up another microformat's elements as it's own).
- [21:01:42] <tantek>
right
- [21:01:54] <tantek>
if necessary, the mfo approach is much gentler
- [21:01:58] <tantek>
and more targeted
- [21:02:00] <_fil_>
shudder
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- [21:03:58] <tantek>
now, what hAtom *could* say is that hAtom parsers should not look inside any hCards, hCalendar events, or hReviews
- [21:04:11] <tantek>
sort of a limited, case-specific opacity
- [21:04:30] <tantek>
though even then, I could see utility for overlapping an hentry and an hreview
- [21:05:29] * BenjaminCarlyle nods
- [21:06:09] <BenjaminCarlyle>
mfo would allow authors to put up parser barriers wherever the liked.
- [21:09:49] <BenjaminCarlyle>
I'm still struggling for clarity on what the citation microformat is trying to achieve. Is it a citation of another person's blog entry or online paper, or a citation of a print media? Is it both? Isn't that too broad? Is it trying to give a quote (or blockquote) context (Fred Bloggs wrote...), or is it trying to describe an article in more detail?
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- [21:15:40] <drumm>
why wouldn't hatom parsers ignore other microformats?
- [21:15:48] <drumm>
*would
- [21:16:21] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Ahh.. (finally gets to Ryan King's citations vs conversations email) :)
- [21:17:09] <tantek>
drumm, not ignore, just not look inside for their own properties
- [21:17:33] <BenjaminCarlyle>
drum: If another microformat used a term that hAtom uses to mean the same thing, but in a different context... then hAtom would do well to ignore it. It doesn't apply to the hAtom, instead it applies to the microformat within the hAtom content.
- [21:18:20] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Actually, I don't think there are any such terms at the moment... (checks...) Except for the rel-bookmark everything in hAtom is new, I think.
- [21:18:35] <tantek>
rel-tag
- [21:19:51] <drumm>
ah okay
- [21:21:35] <BenjaminCarlyle>
tantek: Oh, I missed that. It must have been added in the early January mods.
- [21:22:43] <BenjaminCarlyle>
In fact, I think one of David's ideas was that hAtom might be able to be embedded in hAtom. If that were to be possible some form of opacity may apply, but it could be limited easily to hfeed and hentry. That's not to even say it is a good idea to permit such a thing :)
- [21:23:23] <_fil_>
keep it simple, my friends
- [21:23:38] <tantek>
yes
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- [21:24:55] <RobertBachmann>
regarding hatom2atom.xsl: It's currently not fully compilant with the current draft. I'm planning to make it compilant when I have some spare time at hand. Having a day job realy cuts down on productivity. ;-)
- [21:27:31] <RobertBachmann>
s/day job/serve your country/
- [21:28:29] <dglazkov>
guys, I have a quick implementor question...
- [21:29:00] <dglazkov>
anybody knows of a good LGPL/MIT SGML parser?
- [21:29:40] <RobertBachmann>
why SGML and not XML?
- [21:29:46] <dglazkov>
something that could convert real-life (read "crappy") HTML into XML
- [21:30:46] <RobertBachmann>
what about HTML Tidy -asxml and a XML parser of your choise?
- [21:31:49] <mfbot>
[[distributed-conversation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-examples&diff=0&oldid=4404 * BenjaminCarlyle * (+1239) Add examples from my blog
- [21:32:01] <dglazkov>
that sounds good. I didn't realize it was on such an open license.
- [21:34:39] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Robert: What are the comliance issues you are aware of?
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- [21:37:00] <trovster>
Scottish or Irish?
- [21:37:41] <trovster>
I mean Welsh! heh
- [21:37:54] <trovster>
Burns or St. Dwynwen ?
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- [21:38:32] <BenjaminCarlyle>
The 26th of January is Australia day :)
- [21:38:50] <trovster>
Oh, heh, you're a day ahead of yourself ;)
- [21:39:01] <RobertBachmann>
The class="hfeed hentry" special case, which we already talked about and I gues there will be some more minor problems.
- [21:39:32] <RobertBachmann>
guess*
- [21:42:11] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Ryan King was on microformats-discuss the other day saying that locality and adr should not both be on the same element because we would lose the ability to disambiguate the locality term. [subject Re: [uf-discuss] locality sans adr;abbr for state/country etc?] [date Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:29:57 -0800]
- [21:42:17] <kingryan>
why even do class="hfeed hentry" ?
- [21:42:24] <kingryan>
yes, BenjaminCarlyle
- [21:42:25] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Does that recommendation apply more generally?
- [21:42:26] <BenjaminCarlyle>
:)
- [21:42:34] <BenjaminCarlyle>
Morning, kingryan :)
- [21:42:38] <kingryan>
we don't have much hierarchy in mf's
- [21:42:48] <kingryan>
but the cases where we do are important
- [21:42:52] <kingryan>
so, we can't collapse them
- [21:43:04] <kingryan>
(without creating ambiguities)
- [21:43:24] <kingryan>
for example, hcard has a property, AGENT, which is another hcard
- [21:43:25] <kingryan>
:D
- [21:44:08] <kingryan>
so <span class="hcard"><span class="agent fn">ryan king</span></span> is ambiguous
- [21:45:05] * BenjaminCarlyle nods
- [21:47:11] <kingryan>
so the rule is pretty much universal with mf's
- [21:47:34] <kingryan>
in other words, I don't think we've seen a case where it was reasonable to relax it
- [21:49:19] <RobertBachmann>
we should add this to hatom-issues
- [21:49:30] <kingryan>
why hatom specifically?
- [21:51:13] <kingryan>
RobertBachmann?
- [21:51:53] <RobertBachmann>
yes, one moment please. I'm currently searching the wiki.
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[[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4405 * RyanKing * (+2019) Casey Conroy - adding analysis
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[[resume-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples&diff=0&oldid=4406 * RyanKing * (-47) Brian Suda -
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- [21:58:49] <RobertBachmann>
kingryan: AFAIK hatom is the only draft which uses this exotic class="container-class-name child-class-name" construct
- [21:59:12] <kingryan>
what about hcalendar?
- [21:59:17] <kingryan>
and xfolk?
- [22:00:00] <kingryan>
are there hatom examples which collapse the two?
- [22:00:33] <tantek>
not afaik
- [22:00:37] <tantek>
there shouldn't be
- [22:01:37] <RobertBachmann>
IIRC someone (Brian Suda) once mentioned somewhere that this caused major problems with parsing and was therefore forbidden.
- [22:02:30] <BenjaminCarlyle>
There isn't a lot of hAtom out there, a this stage. There should be no need to use class="hfeed hentry", even for a single-entry feed. The html body can carry the hfeed class. If worst comes to worst separatig the two may mean placing a div where there was previously no div.
- [22:03:57] <BenjaminCarlyle>
In terms of general standardisation practice it is probably best to prohibit things that may not be used. You can always relax a spec later once you have more data to base your decisions on, but prohibiting bad things that were once permitted is harder.
- [22:06:55] <_fil_>
when you write a single article page as a hfeed you are (I am) tempted to write class="hfeed hentry", for the beauty of it
- [22:07:04] <_fil_>
so please forbid this
- [22:09:55] <kingryan>
why even use hfeed?
- [22:10:19] <kingryan>
I know we don't have it defined yet in hatom, but atom allows for entry documents (ie, not part of a feed)
- [22:12:03] <RobertBachmann>
Does that mean using only class="hentry" w/o class="hfeed" for single entry feeds?
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- [22:13:00] <BenjaminCarlyle>
That would be a fair parallel.
- [22:13:56] <RobertBachmann>
IIRC this is what David Janes proposed orginaly.
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- [22:14:33] <kingryan>
yes, RobertBachmann, but I think we deferred it to future work
- [22:15:16] <RobertBachmann>
I see.
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If any ones on efnet, join the same channel name. Cheers.
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SIOC is pretty cool. an RDF implementation of the "distributed social anything" i wrote about
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