IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-08

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  22. [01:48:38] <KevinMarks> http://tantek.com/presentations/2006/03/microformats-etech/
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  24. [01:49:26] <bewest> ooOOoo pretty
  25. [01:49:45] <Frederic> Hello ke
  26. [01:49:53] <Frederic> Kevin
  27. [01:50:01] <Frederic> Sorry, my keyboard betrayed me
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  30. [01:54:06] <bewest> nice
  31. [01:56:11] <KevinMarks> http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats
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  35. [02:09:13] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  37. [02:09:46] <tantek> greetings
  38. [02:09:54] <tantek> we're in the middle of the lightning demos
  39. [02:12:08] <jonnay> nice!
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  42. [02:14:51] <bewest> sounds fun
  43. [02:15:03] <bewest> and dangerous? is there real lightning involved?!? :-)
  44. [02:15:15] <bewest> wear your rubber gloves
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  48. [02:32:39] <DanC> technorati is too busy to do http://www.technorati.com/search/www.w3.org%2F2005%2F12%2Fallgroupoverview.html . :-/
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  53. [02:37:54] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5323 * Rohit * (+71)
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  68. [03:29:39] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  79. [05:02:54] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5324 * DanC * (+105) a bunch of hotel hCards on my event history page
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  81. [05:11:16] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  88. [05:49:17] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  89. [05:53:01] <mfbot> [[User:UrsM]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:UrsM * UrsM * (+72)
  90. [05:53:02] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5325 * OrenSreebny * (+105) Examples in the wild -
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  92. [05:53:19] <mfbot> [[User:UrsM]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:UrsM&diff=0&oldid=5326 * UrsM * (+2)
  93. [05:53:49] <mfbot> [[User:GrahamTodd]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:GrahamTodd * GrahamTodd * (+994)
  94. [05:54:25] <mfbot> [[User:GrahamTodd]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:GrahamTodd&diff=0&oldid=5327 * GrahamTodd * (+14)
  95. [05:55:06] <mfbot> [[User:GrahamTodd]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:GrahamTodd&diff=0&oldid=5328 * GrahamTodd * (+5)
  96. [05:56:22] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5329 * Patrick * (+182) Examples in the wild - patrick tufts' hcard, mathias and jamie, too
  97. [05:57:29] <mfbot> [[User:UrsM]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:UrsM&diff=0&oldid=5330 * UrsM * (+307)
  98. [05:57:50] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5331 * BarnabyJames * (+84) Examples in the wild -
  99. [05:58:47] <KevinMarks> microformats bof
  100. [06:00:12] <hober> Were I not about to go to bed, I'd consider taking the bus downtown to check out the BoF
  101. [06:00:20] <hober> :/
  102. [06:02:06] <mfbot> [[User:UrsM]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:UrsM&diff=0&oldid=5332 * UrsM * (-13)
  103. [06:02:43] <KevinMarks> hm
  104. [06:03:42] <mfbot> [[User:UrsM]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:UrsM&diff=0&oldid=5333 * UrsM * (-27)
  105. [06:04:38] <mfbot> [[User:UrsM]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:UrsM&diff=0&oldid=5334 * UrsM * (-3)
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  107. [06:05:09] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  111. [06:35:36] * bewest wonders if anyone is around
  112. [06:35:51] <bewest> for the proposed geo format, are there values other than latitude and longitude?
  113. [06:36:01] <bewest> such as note, fn, org?
  114. [06:36:07] <bewest> or should geo simply go inside an hcard?
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  116. [06:40:38] * bewest considers writing a bookmarklet to display a google map next to any geo mf's found on a page
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  121. [06:46:26] <bewest> I suppose an hcard wrapping a geo would make more sense
  122. [06:47:00] * bewest has a new end of week goal :-)
  123. [06:47:36] <kingryan> eh, geo's part of hcard already
  124. [06:47:48] <kingryan> geo was extracted *from* hcard
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  127. [07:31:39] <Frederic> Hi kingryan
  128. [07:31:47] <kingryan> hi Frederic
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  131. [08:00:17] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  139. [09:56:19] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  141. [09:56:37] <jibot> karlUshi is karlcow
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  144. [11:38:17] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  150. [13:56:53] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5335 * Miika Mäkinen * (+248) Examples in the wild -
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  152. [13:58:21] <itst> hi all
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  154. [14:01:23] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  156. [14:07:05] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  164. [15:12:33] <amette> ?learn amette is http://alexander-mette.de and a TikiWiki developer
  165. [15:12:33] <jibot> amette is http://alexander-mette.de and a TikiWiki developer
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  168. [15:43:32] <mfbot> [[qa-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/qa-examples * Kinlan * (+94)
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  171. [16:11:08] <jibot> raxor is in southern California, near LA
  172. [16:11:16] <raxor> Clever bot!
  173. [16:11:23] <raxor> except I am in Baltimore!
  174. [16:12:33] <raxor> I was wondering if there was some semi-standard way of dumping hCalendar information into outlook
  175. [16:12:35] * raxor ducks
  176. [16:12:46] * raxor is also seriously asking though
  177. [16:13:06] <bewest> did you check the wiki?
  178. [16:13:07] <bewest> I think there is
  179. [16:13:23] <raxor> yeah I scanned through it but I must have missed it
  180. [16:13:25] <bewest> in fact I saw some demo just the other day that lets you copy hcards about
  181. [16:14:46] <bewest> http://microformats.com/wiki/hcalendar#Implementations
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  183. [16:15:49] <raxor> bewest, the only ref to hCard in there is the link to the hCard wiki and Tails the FF extension
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  189. [16:23:18] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
  190. [16:24:19] <raxor> jibot, help
  191. [16:24:36] <raxor> jibot: help
  192. [16:25:03] <JibberJim> jibot seems to be a rude bot
  193. [16:26:04] <raxor> He knows all, but only talks about where people live...
  194. [16:26:34] <raxor> like a crazy government spook tipping his hand to let you know to just back off... he knows where you live
  195. [16:26:52] <raxor> Where does JibberJim live jibot?? answer that one smarty-pants!
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  199. [16:45:55] <ben___> Hi all, quick microformats announcement. We've just released as opensource our hReview parser - which also supports hCard and hCalendar (to some extent!). You can see more at http://opensource.reevoo.com
  200. [16:46:03] <ben___> Feedback welcome.
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  202. [16:51:26] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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  225. [18:00:11] <davecardwell> google are making an ical-friendly calendar: http://ajaxian.com/archives/google-calendar-cl2
  226. [18:02:09] <Enric> Interesting, techcrunch.com is reporting a mysql database error when I go to it.
  227. [18:03:35] <davecardwell> whoops
  228. [18:03:52] <davecardwell> it's mentioned in the comments on the ajaxian page
  229. [18:04:02] <davecardwell> that techcrunch is poorly I mean
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  233. [18:04:57] <Enric> ahh, I see..yea.
  234. [18:05:47] <Enric> Ryan, is there a process for proposing a microformat?
  235. [18:06:00] <davecardwell> it's outlined on the wiki
  236. [18:06:05] <kingryan> http://microformats.org/wiki/process
  237. [18:06:10] <Enric> oh ok...should have checked..thanks
  238. [18:06:24] <TantekC> Enric, be sure to read through existing related pages too
  239. [18:06:25] <davecardwell> http://microformats.org/wiki/process
  240. [18:06:29] <davecardwell> ah, too slow
  241. [18:06:31] <Enric> ok
  242. [18:06:32] <TantekC> thanks dave and ryan
  243. [18:06:42] <TantekC> e.g. http://microformats.org/wiki/media-info-examples
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  245. [18:08:19] <davecardwell> kingryan: I'd just mentioned http://ajaxian.com/archives/google-calendar-cl2 before you logged in
  246. [18:09:54] <kingryan> thanks davecardwell, I just saw that on tech.memeorandum
  247. [18:11:18] <mfbot> [[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=5336 * Enric * (-1) Propose a Microformat -
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  249. [18:14:38] <kingryan> have you guys seen http://itags.net/index.php/I-Tag_Specification_Working_Draft_02 ?
  250. [18:14:59] <mfbot> [[process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=5337 * RyanKing * (+1) Reverted edit of Enric, changed back to last version by RobertBachmann
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  252. [18:22:46] <Enric> oops, sorry on the edit...
  253. [18:23:50] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5338 * Tantek * (-384) updated speakers.html and to-do
  254. [18:25:35] <TantekC> the microformats.org wiki appears to be one of the few sites working here at ETech
  255. [18:26:40] <KevinMarks> not seen itags recently, kingryan
  256. [18:26:57] <KevinMarks> mary keeps trying to set up a chat about ti with me
  257. [18:27:18] <kingryan> TantekC, that's part of the secret plan, ssssh
  258. [18:27:41] <kingryan> yeah, KevinMarks, I only bring it up b/c eran just showed it to me (he's blogging about it)
  259. [18:28:04] <TantekC> kingryan, heh.
  260. [18:28:10] <TantekC> I'm not convinced we need more copmlicated tags.
  261. [18:28:15] <TantekC> complicated even
  262. [18:28:17] <kingryan> same here
  263. [18:28:26] <kingryan> they're using url's in classnames, too
  264. [18:28:48] <kingryan> which totally destroys any possibility of styling based on the format
  265. [18:28:57] <TantekC> exactly
  266. [18:29:04] <TantekC> that violates principle 3, subpoint a
  267. [18:29:10] <TantekC> presentable AND parsable
  268. [18:29:18] <TantekC> being friendly for presentation, for CSS etc.
  269. [18:29:47] <TantekC> is there a definitive dissection/refutation of i-names anywhere?
  270. [18:30:16] <TantekC> termie, i know you had lots of concrete criticism that pointed out all the flaws in i-names, have you written that up anywhere?
  271. [18:33:06] <Enric> Robert Kahn is one of the developers of "Digital Object Architecture" http://www.cnri.reston.va.us/doa.html , http://tinyurl.com/rfsvb which is already implemented as a system for identifying digital objects. May be good for them to look at that and work from that.
  272. [18:35:41] <kingryan> from itags: "The rel-tag format from microformats.org. The i-tag format is a superset of the rel-tag format."
  273. [18:36:05] <kingryan> enric, there's already a well known, well implemented method for identifying digital resources
  274. [18:36:30] <kingryan> it universally identifies resources
  275. [18:37:15] <Enric> what's that format called, ryan?
  276. [18:38:04] <kingryan> URI
  277. [18:38:26] <KevinMarks> URL
  278. [18:38:34] <kingryan> that too
  279. [18:38:45] * KevinMarks starts the campaign for resources with locations
  280. [18:38:45] <kingryan> and I meant to say 'uniform' not 'universal'
  281. [18:39:10] <kingryan> KevinMarks, I'm with you
  282. [18:40:54] <Enric> Isn't a structure around that necessary for author, license, etc. as a format?
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  286. [18:43:20] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
  287. [18:44:07] <kingryan> yes, Enric, but there are ways to do that
  288. [18:44:16] * kingryan points at http://microformats.org/
  289. [18:45:18] <Enric> What I'm wondering is if there's one standard method like hCard that can be identified and used, rather than fluid ways of mixing different XHTML tags.
  290. [18:47:17] <Enric> In other words, if a software wants a standard method to identify a digital enclosure of author, license, type of media, etc. is there a proposed structure it can parse?
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  292. [18:47:50] <TantekC> Enric, sounds like you need to define the specific problem you are trying to solve.
  293. [18:47:57] <TantekC> g2g, break time
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  295. [18:49:38] <Enric> Problem: For Live Clipboard to move a digital structure from one location to another. References: http://spaces.msn.com/editorial/rayozzie/demo/liveclip/liveclipsample/techPreview.html, http://spaces.msn.com/editorial/rayozzie/demo/liveclip/screencast/webtoweb/WebToWeb.html, http://spaces.msn.com/rayozzie/blog/cns!FB3017FBB9B2E142!285.entry?_c=BlogPart#permalink
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  297. [18:55:28] <kingryan> enric, but which digital structure?
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  299. [18:57:16] <kingryan> 'cause the examples I saw there already have structures
  300. [18:59:22] <Enric> Well, backing away from digital identity. For videoblogging in discussing with Josh Kinberg he's a proponent of: <a href="http://link/to/video.mov" rel="enclosure" title="My Awesome
  301. [18:59:33] <Enric> darn tags...hold on
  302. [19:00:08] <Enric> Well, backing away from digital identity. For videoblogging in discussing with Josh Kinberg he's a proponent of: <a href="http://link/to/video.mov" rel="enclosure" title="My Awesome Movie" type="video/quicktime"><img src="http://link/to/image/jpg"></a>
  303. [19:01:15] <Enric> I propose to expand this to: <span class="videoblog"><a href="http://link/to/video.mov" rel="enclosure" title="My Awesome Movie" type="video/quicktime"><img src="http://link/to/image/jpg"></a><p>Text on my videoblog</p></span>
  304. [19:02:19] <Enric> This would allow an identified <span class="videoblog">...</span> to be processed,moved, copied, etc. by user or software
  305. [19:02:20] <pnhChris> but maybe with a div isntead of a span? :P
  306. [19:02:43] <Enric> whichever works best, <div>, <span>...
  307. [19:02:47] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=5339 * ScottReynen * (+264) Implementations -
  308. [19:03:48] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5340 * ScottReynen * (+171) Conversion and consumption -
  309. [19:03:57] <Enric> What's the advantages of <div> over <span>?
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  311. [19:05:09] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5341 * ScottReynen * (+171) Implementations -
  312. [19:07:18] <pnhChris> in that example.. you can have the <p> inside a div but not a span
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  314. [19:07:49] <Argyle> I just read the ETech presentation. Nice work.
  315. [19:08:54] <Enric> oh...ok, thanks...I guess <div> is correct then.
  316. [19:10:40] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5342 * RyanKing * (+160) Conversion and consumption - added uformats
  317. [19:11:40] <kingryan> enric, in this case hAtom would likely be the best structural element
  318. [19:12:40] <kingryan> Argyle, whadja like about it?
  319. [19:13:01] <pnhChris> i guess i'm not well enough read on this one to offer much in the way of direction though... other then my first reactions are that mf's in general rely a lot more on context and that some html elements (h#, address) might have a hard time making the copy-paste jump... unless the process is smarter
  320. [19:13:07] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5343 * RyanKing * (+159) Implementations - added uformats
  321. [19:13:27] <Enric> hAtom looks like it's difficult to understand and implement by non-specialized HTML users.
  322. [19:13:43] <DanC> hmm...
  323. [19:13:44] <kingryan> what's so hard about it?
  324. [19:13:45] <DanC> Failed to compile stylesheet. http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/xhtml2vcard.xsl 1 error detected.
  325. [19:13:54] <DanC> (from our internal phonebook, which uses hCard)
  326. [19:14:04] <kingryan> hmm
  327. [19:14:22] <kingryan> I think brian's out to lunch
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  329. [19:14:44] <DanC> Exception javax.xml.transform.TransformerConfigurationException: Failed to compile stylesheet.
  330. [19:15:39] <DanC> it works with xsltproc on the command line.
  331. [19:15:46] <DanC> I think the problem is not in brian's code.
  332. [19:16:17] <Enric> Well, for someone who knows how to shoot video and do rudimentary HTML, a reguarl videoblogger, understanding the structure for hfeed, hentry, entry-title, entry-content, etc. is unlikely. The simple <div><a href...><img ... /></a></div> is simple and clear to implement.
  333. [19:16:40] <kingryan> ah, java, I see, DanC
  334. [19:17:16] <kingryan> just make that <div class="hentry">
  335. [19:18:25] <Argyle> kingryan: The iterative approach is always refreshing to see rather than the this-is-perfect-don't-mess-with-it approach
  336. [19:18:36] <Enric> Is that defined somewher or new, Ryan?
  337. [19:18:51] <kingryan> Enric, I'm just telling you how hatom works
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  339. [19:19:31] <kingryan> I agree Argyle
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  342. [19:28:04] <davecardwell> http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/08/exclusive-screenshots-google-calendar/ is up now
  343. [19:32:14] <kingryan> eran responds to the itags thing: http://hellonline.com/blog/?p=75
  344. [19:33:20] <kingryan> looks like a cool calendar application, davecardwell
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  347. [19:35:16] <Argyle> That's like pron for geeks, dave
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  351. [20:12:28] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  353. [20:17:45] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5344 * Tantek * (+7)
  354. [20:20:13] * hober is quite sad to have missed the mf BoF last night
  355. [20:20:22] <hober> awesome T-shirts
  356. [20:26:01] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5345 * Tantek * (+128) Added Oren to attending and link to his blog post with notes on the session
  357. [20:27:37] <TantekC> hi Hober, thanks.
  358. [20:27:48] <TantekC> hober t-shirt idea was Eran's
  359. [20:27:52] <hober> are there any left? I'm here today
  360. [20:27:56] <TantekC> and Chris Messina took care of the design and ordering
  361. [20:28:05] <TantekC> hober, come find me.
  362. [20:28:10] <TantekC> and what's your t-shirt size
  363. [20:28:12] <hober> getting demand out the door meant no etech until today :)
  364. [20:28:22] <hober> if american apparel, large. otherwise medium.
  365. [20:29:40] <TantekC> they are american apparel
  366. [20:29:56] <hober> excellent
  367. [20:30:27] <jonnay> TantekC: Sounds like the Etech presentation went well.. I'm just-a-guy sitting on the sidelines of it all, but I am seeing some good commentary about Microformats in the "blogsphere".
  368. [20:33:19] <TantekC> yes, there definitely seems to be quite a bit of good coverage and uptake in the blogs coming out of the etech presentations (microformats, ray ozzie live clipboard using hcard and hcalendar, brian dear's keynote where he announced/bragged about eventful having the most microformats support of any site out there)
  369. [20:34:11] <hober> heh
  370. [20:34:17] <hober> I missed that part (dear & mf)
  371. [20:34:27] * hober got here a bit late this morning
  372. [20:34:41] <KevinMarks> John Udell saying he had 'private microformats' is a bit odder
  373. [20:36:08] <jonnay> "private microformats"?
  374. [20:36:24] <KevinMarks> he means 'structured markup'
  375. [20:36:40] <jonnay> Ahh. I called it nanoformats.
  376. [20:36:44] <KevinMarks> it takes a village to raise a microformat
  377. [20:38:10] <jonnay> Isn't it more then just a village? Wouldn't it take a pied piper/moses to gather the people and formats to raise the village?
  378. [20:38:57] * bear is now known as bear_lunch
  379. [20:39:07] <TantekC> KevinMarks, do you have a link to Udell's slides or notes on his talk?
  380. [20:39:14] <KevinMarks> er
  381. [20:40:53] <TantekC> lunchtime
  382. [20:41:28] <Frederic> enjoy
  383. [20:41:32] <KevinMarks> http://www.windley.com/archives/2006/03/jon_udell_on_se.shtml
  384. [20:45:10] <kingryan> TantekC, if evdb's ceo's gonna brag about µf support, I'm gonna make sure and file bug reports for any problems I see (watch out, hober)
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  387. [20:57:23] <jibot> tara is Miss HorsePigCow (http://www.horsepigcow.com/) and the alter-ego of missrogue
  388. [20:58:50] <KevinMarks> hi tara
  389. [20:59:01] <KevinMarks> join #etech for later -it's lunch here now
  390. [20:59:03] <tara> hey kevinmarks
  391. [20:59:06] <tara> ah
  392. [20:59:08] <tara> I see
  393. [20:59:10] <tara> thanks
  394. [20:59:30] <tara> I read about the backchannel on Valleywag.com and thought, omigosh, I'm missing THAT? I gotta login
  395. [20:59:53] <tara> With dotBen in the backchannel, all sorts of tomfoolery is bound to happen
  396. [21:00:22] <Frederic> haha
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  398. [21:00:44] <Frederic> I can't see Mena so maybe it will be OK?
  399. [21:00:47] <Enric> Hey Tara :)
  400. [21:00:54] <tara> lol
  401. [21:00:57] <tara> hey enric
  402. [21:01:22] <KevinMarks> Ben of 6aparts here, not seen mena
  403. [21:01:33] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5346 * Jonathan Arkell * (+120) Examples in the wild -
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  406. [21:03:34] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5347 * Jonathan Arkell * (+24) Fixed link to my user page
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  408. [21:06:45] <mfbot> [[User:Jonathan Arkell]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Jonathan_Arkell * Jonathan Arkell * (+435)
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  414. [21:34:27] <KevinMarks> a little bit of history if you like, me and Ray Ozzie talking about microformats at the Social Computing Symposium in April 2005: http://homepage.mac.com/kevinmarks/scsray.asx
  415. [21:35:20] * KevinMarks (n=Snak@pdpc/supporter/active/kevinmarks) Quit ("The computer fell asleep")
  416. [21:35:36] <jonnay> ?def jonnay
  417. [21:35:36] <jibot> Nobody has defined jonnay yet
  418. [21:35:36] <tara> I just read about that
  419. [21:36:00] <tara> So, it was an oversight that Ray Ozzie didn't mention Microformats?
  420. [21:36:07] <tara> kevinmarks?
  421. [21:36:45] <tara> 'Cause there's this whole big post on Alex Barnett's blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/alexbarn/archive/2006/03/07/545417.aspx
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  423. [21:36:51] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
  424. [21:36:53] <tara> It doesn't mention microformats either
  425. [21:37:50] <jonnay> ?learn jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
  426. [21:37:50] <jibot> jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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  439. [22:12:35] <TantekC> kingryan, totally file bugs as you see them
  440. [22:12:41] <TantekC> or even document on the wiki :)
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  442. [22:13:41] <KentBye> ?learn Kent Bye is working on a collaborative documentary on the pre-war performance of the mainstream media at http://www.echochamberproject.com
  443. [22:13:41] <jibot> Kent Bye is working on a collaborative documentary on the pre-war performance of the mainstream media at http://www.echochamberproject.com
  444. [22:14:19] <tarahunt> Hey KentBye
  445. [22:14:39] <KentBye> tarahunt: Hey there. Are you at ETech?
  446. [22:14:42] <tarahunt> no
  447. [22:14:44] <tarahunt> :(
  448. [22:14:49] <KevinMarks> she's blogging instead
  449. [22:14:52] <tarahunt> I'm just hanging in the IRC
  450. [22:14:53] <tarahunt> lol
  451. [22:14:58] <tarahunt> I hear the wifi is a bit off
  452. [22:15:15] <kingryan> TantekC, by "file bugs" I really mean bug hober on irc
  453. [22:15:16] <tarahunt> I'll be at SXSW...you going kentbye?
  454. [22:15:27] <hober> heh
  455. [22:15:40] <tarahunt> I read that sean coon interviewed you...that's awesome
  456. [22:15:41] <hober> bug away!
  457. [22:15:50] <tarahunt> I'm a big fan of his work, too
  458. [22:15:55] <kingryan> hober, as long as you fix bugs, I'll show your site in most µf demos
  459. [22:15:58] <kingryan> :D
  460. [22:16:02] <hober> yay
  461. [22:16:27] <KentBye> tarahunt: No. I'd love to be @ SXSW But I'm in the midst of coding up the some collaborative audio sequencing stuff
  462. [22:16:27] <TantekC> kingryan, I meant, feel free to put them here for example: http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations#EVDB
  463. [22:16:33] <TantekC> that way you don't have to wait to see hober on IRC
  464. [22:16:54] <kingryan> well, I'd rather do directly to them, rather than airing it out in the public
  465. [22:17:00] <hober> TantekC: that assumes I check that regularly
  466. [22:17:41] <tarahunt> kentbye...well, I can't wait for all of your work to be out there...
  467. [22:17:42] <KentBye> tarahunt: Yeah, I talked to Sean. And I also posted the talk that I gave at Ritual Roosters: http://www.echochamberproject.com/node/789 (THat's a great photo you took of my BTW. )
  468. [22:17:43] <tarahunt> ;)
  469. [22:17:53] <kingryan> irc or email will work better
  470. [22:18:04] <tarahunt> kentbye: use it as you wish
  471. [22:18:18] <tarahunt> I'm only sad that I missed meeting your wife
  472. [22:18:42] <TantekC> hober, EVDB could host a wiki also for folks to go and file bug reports.
  473. [22:19:02] <hober> TantekC: indeed, that would be awesome.
  474. [22:19:20] <kingryan> TantekC, you gonna blog about the etech mf panel?
  475. [22:19:29] <KentBye> tarahunt: Cool. Yeah, she's not as technical. I'm also going to start posting more interviews soon -- There's already about 11 hours of stuff
  476. [22:20:03] <TantekC> kingryan, yes, having trouble keeping up with all the talk about microformats. My watchlist and minis are blowing up!
  477. [22:20:13] <tarahunt> kentbye: Nice! I'll keep an eye on your site! Oh...and I like non-technical people, too. They are good to have around to keep the rest of us grounded. ;)
  478. [22:20:16] <kingryan> I can post a quick bit, if you want
  479. [22:20:41] <TantekC> go for it
  480. [22:20:50] <TantekC> we need a post about Ray Ozzie's thing too
  481. [22:20:55] <kingryan> yeah
  482. [22:20:58] <kingryan> will do
  483. [22:21:26] <TantekC> that is the biggest news, and I'm seeing bloggers who were not at ETech talk about Ray Ozzie's demo second hand and "not get it"
  484. [22:21:33] <TantekC> i'm not going to name names ;)
  485. [22:21:49] <KevinMarks> I wrote one
  486. [22:21:51] <KentBye> tarahunt: thanks. I'll keep you posted with any big news.
  487. [22:21:53] <KevinMarks> though breifly
  488. [22:22:01] <tarahunt> cool
  489. [22:22:32] <DanC> ok, this profile seems to work in all the ways I know to test. http://www.w3.org/2006/03/hcard
  490. [22:24:20] <DanC> I tested it with my index of events http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/events/ and then with example 1 from the hcard spec. http://www.w3.org/2006/03/hcard-ex1.html
  491. [22:24:27] <KevinMarks> a little bit of history if you like, me and Ray Ozzie talking about microformats at the Social Computing Symposium in April 2005: http://homepage.mac.com/kevinmarks/scsray.asx
  492. [22:24:55] * DanC hopes to put timbl in touch with Ray Ozzie re diff/patch/sync
  493. [22:26:03] <kingryan> DanC, looks good to me (the only diff's I recognize are the rel="transformation" and rel="profileTransformation" link/a's)
  494. [22:26:21] <DanC> right; those are the grddly bits
  495. [22:26:30] <kingryan> cool
  496. [22:27:43] * DanC tries to remember some details of the mixing problem
  497. [22:27:59] <hober> It seems like itags are trying to solve the problem that xfolk already solves
  498. [22:28:08] <kingryan> its a composition thing... hreview uses hcard, etc.
  499. [22:28:09] <hober> is anyone else in the hodder talk?
  500. [22:28:36] <DanC> so I should tackle hreview next, I suppose
  501. [22:29:06] <kingryan> yeah, that's a simpler schema and needs to do inclusion
  502. [22:29:24] <DanC> hmm... no handy XMDP profile in/near http://www.microformats.org/wiki/hreview
  503. [22:29:35] * DanC hunts for the moral equivalent...
  504. [22:29:54] <DanC> " Field details" looks about right
  505. [22:30:06] <DanC> ah... even better: " Schema "
  506. [22:31:13] * DanC wonders if anybody's done hReview->RDF yet...
  507. [22:31:45] <TantekC> DanC, yes, I need to write up the XMDP for hReview 0.3
  508. [22:32:20] <DanC> ooh. score: http://pragmatron.org/xslt/hreview2rdfxml.xsl <- http://esw.w3.org/topic/MicroModels
  509. [22:32:34] * TantekC encourages people to add "+1 YourName" under the to-do items which they think are most important to get done: http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do
  510. [22:33:01] <bewest> to vote which gets done first?
  511. [22:33:20] <TantekC> yes, let's try some experiments with distributed task prioritization and see what happens
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  514. [22:35:01] <DanC> you won't mind if I Just Do It, re hReview XMDP, will you?
  515. [22:35:53] <DanC> hmm... hReview version. frightening, in a way
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  519. [22:50:46] * kingryan just did hatom on http://microformats.org/ in 5 minutes
  520. [22:50:50] <kingryan> woot
  521. [22:52:40] <bewest> neato
  522. [22:53:03] <DanC> are any aggregators supporting hAtom yet?
  523. [22:53:36] * DanC developed something of a competitor about 6 years ago, http://www.w3.org/2000/08/w3c-synd/#
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  525. [23:01:46] <limbo_> ryan, what would be a good pointer for the evils of hidden meta-data?
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  530. [23:25:20] <kingryan> limbo_, I'm sure there's something on tantek's blog
  531. [23:25:34] <kingryan> DanC, I don't think so
  532. [23:25:44] <kingryan> we kinda encouraged people to wait until at least 0.1
  533. [23:25:51] <DanC> I see
  534. [23:25:59] <kingryan> and, on point 2, I know [http://microformats.org/wiki/xhtml-syndication]
  535. [23:26:00] <DanC> so for now, you're generating atom server-side?
  536. [23:26:20] <kingryan> yeah, we're generating everything wordpress generates + hatom
  537. [23:28:56] * DanC wonders what to do with this quicken->hcalendar thingy
  538. [23:29:12] <DanC> I'm struggling to write it up because I don't quite know what the point is, yet
  539. [23:29:16] <kingryan> limbo_, this seems to have some good stuff: http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22hidden+metadata%22
  540. [23:29:36] <kingryan> hacking doesn't always need a point, does it?
  541. [23:31:04] <limbo_> thx ryan
  542. [23:31:08] <TantekC> limbo: http://tantek.com/log/2005/06.html#d03t2359
  543. [23:31:22] <limbo_> there seems to be somedicussion evolving in the comments on my i-tags post
  544. [23:31:48] <limbo_> ooh thx tantek, just what i needed
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  546. [23:33:11] <DanC> anybody interested to help me build an ajax version of quicken?
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  548. [23:34:03] * limbo_ points at kingryan
  549. [23:34:05] <TantekC> DanC, just use ahah :)
  550. [23:34:11] <TantekC> limbo, no prob.
  551. [23:34:26] <kingryan> TantekC, ajax is the generic term :D
  552. [23:34:38] <kingryan> DanC, I've actually been thinking and talking about that for months
  553. [23:34:51] <kingryan> but things (*looks around*) keep me busy
  554. [23:35:45] <DanC> I think I'd use JSON on the wire
  555. [23:35:54] <kingryan> same here
  556. [23:36:16] <kingryan> unless its simple inculsion-ish stuff, then I'd just use html snippets
  557. [23:37:01] <TantekC> break-time here at eTech
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  560. [23:43:38] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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