IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-09
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
- [00:08:58] <kingryan>
does anyone know which of ozzie's screencasts showed the microformats sources?
- [00:15:38] <factoryjoe>
i think you have to look at it yourself
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- [00:19:01] <limbo_>
ryan, try the 2nd one
- [00:19:14] <TantekC>
greetings.
- [00:19:17] <kingryan>
I can't believe the video's don't have scrub
- [00:19:21] <kingryan>
so annoying
- [00:19:37] <TantekC>
I've left a comment on Dave Winer's blog post about Ray Ozzie's clipboard for the web demo: http://scripting.wordpress.com/2006/03/07/ray-ozzies-clipboard-for-the-web/
- [00:19:40] <kingryan>
factoryjoe, I tried watching them all, but kept getting distracted and there's not ff or rw
- [00:19:53] <factoryjoe>
ah bummer
- [00:19:54] <TantekC>
oh, just saw the comment specific permalink: http://scripting.wordpress.com/2006/03/07/ray-ozzies-clipboard-for-the-web/#comment-2293
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- [00:21:39] <limbo_>
me neither
- [00:22:16] <factoryjoe>
mod'd
- [00:23:12] <kingryan>
winer probably has a tantek kill file
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karlUshi is karlcow
- [00:28:31] <DanC>
there. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/96 Getting my Personal Finance data back with hCalendar and hCard
- [00:28:41] <kingryan>
arggg, not in the second screencast, limbo_
- [00:29:08] <kingryan>
limbo_, do you remember the context?
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- [00:31:42] <yakk>
has anyone put up a proposal for hProduct?
- [00:32:22] <TantekC>
yakk, there is insufficient research documentation
- [00:32:34] <TantekC>
more research and documentation needs to be done before you can have the necessary evidence / design bases to do a strawman proposal
- [00:32:47] <TantekC>
there has been some discussion on the list about it
- [00:32:49] <TantekC>
microformats-discuss specifically
- [00:33:48] <mfbot>
[[events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5348 * Tantek * (+52) have sent hCard marked up pages to Vee
- [00:34:47] <yakk>
TantekC, yeah - I saw the discussion go by but I didn't notice any straw men
- [00:34:51] <yakk>
TantekC, thanks
- [00:35:09] <TantekC>
it is premature to do strawmen, that's the point
- [00:35:18] <TantekC>
see http://microformats.org/wiki/process
- [00:38:03] <TantekC>
regarding not seeing the comment I left
- [00:38:26] <TantekC>
how come I can see them? is that just a cookie on my end letting me see my own comments before they are approved or something?
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- [00:38:47] <hober>
TantekC: probably
- [00:38:57] <hober>
moderated comments I presume
- [00:39:02] <TantekC>
ok, time to switch rooms again
- [00:39:12] <hober>
B is crazy full
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[[irc]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=5349 * Ben Ward * (+36) People on irc -
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[[events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5350 * Tantek * (-135)
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[[qa-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=qa-examples&diff=0&oldid=5351 * Fantasai * (+464)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5352 * Sdfdf * (+79578)
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[[qa-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=qa-examples&diff=0&oldid=5353 * Jonathan Arkell * (+265)
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5354 * Jonathan Arkell * (-79578) Removed (automated?) spam
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kingryan is ryan king
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[[qa-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=qa-examples&diff=0&oldid=5355 * Jonathan Arkell * (+382) Added another example
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- [02:45:18] <Hixie>
http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-Hickson/Semantics.html
- [02:45:28] <Hixie>
^ my slides on the tech plenary panel on microformats
- [02:45:30] <Hixie>
for those who care
- [02:47:10] <tantek>
thanks Hixie!
- [02:47:18] <tantek>
could you link to them from the wiki page for the event?
- [02:48:04] <Hixie>
uri?
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
- [02:52:24] <TimC>
:o) authors can't spell, great slides Hixie.
- [02:52:31] <bewest>
what's the fourth slide there?
- [02:52:52] <mfbot>
[[hlisting-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-proposal&diff=0&oldid=5356 * RyanKing * (-95) Schema -
- [02:52:54] <Hixie>
the top 1000 elements most-often-found-on-pages
- [02:53:07] <Hixie>
bigger = more often
- [02:53:09] <TimC>
It appears yellow means not semantic.
- [02:53:10] <Hixie>
red = presentational
- [02:53:12] <Hixie>
green = semantic
- [02:53:17] <Hixie>
gray = unclear
- [02:53:22] <bewest>
hrm
- [02:53:22] <bewest>
neat
- [02:53:39] <bewest>
~half grey?
- [02:53:51] <Hixie>
there are half gray ones?
- [02:54:02] <bewest>
dunno
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- [02:54:05] <bewest>
I'm not counting them
- [02:54:21] <Hixie>
oh the black on red ones are simply bad markup
- [02:54:22] <bewest>
seems to be a lot of grey
- [02:54:32] <Hixie>
oh you mean how many gray are there
- [02:54:42] <Hixie>
i don't know the numbers, but yeah, there are a lot that i couldn't determine the meaning of
- [02:54:55] <Hixie>
like <w>
- [02:55:23] <tantek>
Hixie: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats
- [02:55:39] <bewest>
Hixie: is this related to the google report?
- [02:55:47] <tantek>
Hixie, the W is a very nice hotel.
- [02:55:47] <Hixie>
bewest: yeah, i used the same data
- [02:55:58] <Hixie>
the W might be, but the <w>? ;-)
- [02:56:38] <mfbot>
[[events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5357 * IanHickson * (+42) my slides
- [02:56:40] <Hixie>
tantek: done
- [02:56:44] <tantek>
thx
- [02:56:46] <tantek>
off to dinner.
- [02:56:47] <Hixie>
np
- [02:56:48] <bewest>
Hixie: out of curiosity, what do you mostly do? research? coding?
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- [02:56:54] <Hixie>
bewest: html5
- [02:57:06] <bewest>
oh drafting new standards?
- [02:57:19] <Hixie>
if you call html5 a standard :-)
- [02:57:59] <bewest>
at whatwg.org?
- [02:58:02] <bewest>
or with google?
- [02:58:12] <bewest>
/me's curiosity switch is on
- [02:58:22] <Hixie>
i'm paid by google to work on whatwg's html5
- [02:58:29] <Hixie>
(that's about 70% of my work)
- [02:58:46] <bewest>
wow
- [02:59:04] <bewest>
how fortunate
- [02:59:28] <Hixie>
the other 30% are CSS, XBL, W3C stuff, interacting with opera, mozilla, and apple, and some internal things.
- [02:59:45] <Hixie>
(and right now the internal things is "learn python")
- [03:00:08] <bewest>
do you hack on things at all?
- [03:00:22] <Hixie>
most of my internal work requires programming
- [03:00:26] <bewest>
ah
- [03:00:27] <Hixie>
e.g. that research required programming
- [03:00:34] <bewest>
oh ok
- [03:00:57] <bewest>
oh python would have seemed like a nice choice for that; what did you end up using?
- [03:00:59] <Hixie>
scanning a billion documents doesn't happen on its own :-P
- [03:01:06] <Hixie>
used sawzall, mostly
- [03:01:10] <Hixie>
and a bit of perl
- [03:01:22] <bewest>
would have been hard to do without google's resources wouldn't it?
- [03:01:30] <Hixie>
sawzall is a google language that we use, it's described on labs.google.com
- [03:01:46] <Hixie>
google's resources certainly helped :-)
- [03:01:49] <Hixie>
anyway, gotta go, lunch
- [03:01:51] <Hixie>
or dinner even
- [03:02:29] <bewest>
ok
- [03:02:39] <bewest>
thanks
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- [03:02:48] <bewest>
I don't see sawzall there though
- [03:03:16] <Hixie>
http://labs.google.com/papers/ top one (i used all of the top four, actually)
- [03:03:22] <Hixie>
afk
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karlUshi is karlcow
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greetings
- [11:04:02] <trovster>
Hey, the man I need... ;)
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re: http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/104456062/
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Sdfdf" with an expiry time of infinite: spammer
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hey trovster
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[[hlisting-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-proposal&diff=0&oldid=5358 * Tantek * (+149)
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[[qa-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=qa-examples&diff=0&oldid=5359 * Tantek * (+273)
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[[qa-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=qa-examples&diff=0&oldid=5360 * Tantek * (+2)
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5361 * Tantek * (+68)
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- [11:39:48] <trovster>
tantek: Any ideas on the shipping to non-US then?
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=5362 * Tantek * (+302) straw proposal for taxonomy of implementations
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trovster, that's a tough one, what country?
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are you going to SXSW by any chance?
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hi imajes
- [11:42:04] <trovster>
UK and nope.
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are you going to @media2006
- [11:42:25] <trovster>
Yes!
- [11:42:29] <tantek>
hmm...
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- [11:44:52] <davecardwell>
using X2V on http://davecardwell.co.uk/ (http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/get-vcard.php?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdavecardwell.co.uk%2F), when it extracts the URI from the <a> of the email address it keeps it URL encoded when it outputs the vcard, so my email address is given as "EMAIL:Dave%20Cardwell%20%3Cweb@davecardwell.co.uk%3E" in the resulting vcard
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is that a problem with X2V, or my decision to give my email address as "mailto:Dave Cardwell <...>"?
- [11:45:59] <davecardwell>
I wanted to do it that way for people just clicking the link, not extracting a vcard
- [11:46:01] <trovster>
Wierd syntax for your email - mailto:Dave%20Cardwell%20<web@davecardwell.co.uk>
- [11:46:37] <davecardwell>
the m is an attempt to avoid simple crawlers harvesting the address, as per the microformats wiki
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the rest is so if you click the link it makes the TO line "Dave Cardwell <...>" in your mail application
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which I understood to be valid...
- [11:47:43] <davecardwell>
I'm not particularly bothered about changing it if it's a problem with the encoding and not X2V/hcard parsing
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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I've never seen the <> stuff in a mailto:
- [11:52:50] <davecardwell>
ah, I'll kill it then
- [11:52:59] <trovster>
And harvesters will find a way.
- [11:53:03] <davecardwell>
yeah
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the less the better though :p
- [11:53:53] <trovster>
good spam filter and you're fine... contact form instead of a mailto
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Anyway, I should go back to hating IE.
- [11:56:36] <davecardwell>
heh
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5363 * Tantek * (+418)
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limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=5364 * Tantek * (+34)
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karlUshi is karlcow
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5365 * Tantek * (+636) more implementation organization
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5366 * Tantek * (+2)
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=5367 * Tantek * (+320) for all microformat specs -
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tantek: Nice Flickr2 photograph.
- [13:57:02] <tantek>
there's 50 of them
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and they need lots of notes and tags :)
- [13:59:16] <trovster>
Oh, I meant the montage of images to make a poster
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/110078810/
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5368 * PaoloMassa * (+325) Authoring -
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5369 * Tantek * (+34) cleaned up formatting a little bit
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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I'm doing a client's Upcoming Events page in hCalendar. If an event is cancelled, I was going to wrap it in a del tag. Is this the right way to represent cancelled events?
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[[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5370 * Kazu * (+46) Add Kaz's name
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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keithalexander, see 4.8.1.11 Status of RFC2445
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http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2445.txt
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For example in a "VEVENT" calendar component, the
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"Organizer" can indicate that a meeting is tentative, confirmed or
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cancelled.
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<span class="status">CANCELLED</span>
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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- [18:25:09] <jibot>
tara is Miss HorsePigCow (http://www.horsepigcow.com/) and the alter-ego of missrogue
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?learn missrogue is Miss Rogue
- [18:31:18] <jibot>
missrogue is the alter-ego of Tara and the ego-alter of tara and the queen of the world and Miss Rogue
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?forget missrogue is miss rogue
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I did not know missrogue was miss rogue
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?forget missrogue is Miss Rogue
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I now only know that missrogue is the alter-ego of Tara and the ego-alter of tara and the queen of the world
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?learn tara is Miss Rogue
- [18:32:32] <jibot>
tara is Miss HorsePigCow (http://www.horsepigcow.com/) and the alter-ego of missrogue and Miss Rogue
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?forget tara is Miss HorsePigCow (http://www.horsepigcow.com/) and the alter-ego of missrogu
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I now only know that tara is the alter-ego of missrogue and Miss Rogue
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I did not know tara was the alter-ego of missrogu
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?forget tara Miss HorsePigCow (http://www.horsepigcow.com/) and the alter-ego of missrogue
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I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
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?learn tara is the rogue marketer behind riya
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tara is the alter-ego of missrogue and Miss Rogue and the rogue marketer behind riya
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a-ha. I like that one better
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?learn tara is the one blogging at www.horsepigcow.com
- [18:34:36] <jibot>
tara is the alter-ego of missrogue and Miss Rogue and the rogue marketer behind riya and the one blogging at www.horsepigcow.com
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?forget tara is the alter-ego of missrogue
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I now only know that tara is Miss Rogue and the rogue marketer behind riya and the one blogging at www.horsepigcow.com
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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I noticed on the media microformat there is an emphasis on media that is a finished product to be consumed. What about about fragments that are meant to be used as part of a finished product... clip-art, stock photography, audio clips/samples, etc? Or is that beyond the scope of the media microformat?
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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tara is Miss Rogue and the rogue marketer behind riya and the one blogging at www.horsepigcow.com
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waglo is a supybot - ~[list|help] for more info. and also belong to oqp
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5371 * Raster * (+1) Examples in the wild - fixed small typo
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[[User:Raster]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Raster&diff=0&oldid=5372 * Raster * (+139) added note
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