IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-04-06

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  7. [01:24:28] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing&diff=0&oldid=5710 * Tantek * (+50) Clarify that parsers use contents of an abbr when it lacks a title attribute.
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  12. [01:53:34] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5711 * Tantek * (+634) cleanup and deleted nearly empty ambiguous sections (e.g. Tutorial).
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  17. [02:16:16] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5712 * Tantek * (+2799) add hCalendar authoring best practices for tabular data and hCard structured locations
  18. [02:17:02] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5713 * Tantek * (+306) add reference to the potential of marking up the event location with hCard structure
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  20. [02:25:23] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5714 * Tantek * (+11) Example -
  21. [02:26:58] <tantek> I've finally documented the often discussed (but apparently never written down) convention of how to markup the "location" of an hCalendar event as an hCard.
  22. [02:27:56] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming#hCard_locations
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  26. [02:43:50] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  40. [03:51:20] <jibot> DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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  44. [04:24:45] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  46. [04:28:51] <jibot> bewest is curious about emerging standards
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  49. [04:51:00] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  56. [06:45:48] <bretonslivka> something strange goes on at microformats.org
  57. [06:46:58] <Atamido> Eh?
  58. [06:48:03] <Atamido> I would say, "nothing goes on at microformats.org" right now.
  59. [06:48:16] <Atamido> IE, no response.
  60. [06:48:46] <Atamido> Oh wait, it's one of those spammed search sites.
  61. [06:49:29] <Atamido> tantek, KevinMarks, dbaron, whoever: look at www.microformats.org for some issues.
  62. [06:49:38] <Atamido> Did someone forget to renew the domain?
  63. [06:50:49] <dbaron> No idea why you're asking me, but the domain registration looks fine; perhaps something wrong with the DNS configuration?
  64. [06:51:16] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5715 * Eeeessss * (+183163)
  65. [06:51:18] <Atamido> dbaron: I just recognized you from the other channel, so I thought I would mention you too. :P
  66. [06:51:58] * dbaron looks at the 20 channel tabs and guesses that "the other channel" is irc.mozilla.org, #css
  67. [06:52:27] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5716 * Eeeessss * (-202591)
  68. [06:53:23] * Atamido agrees with the assessment, but wonders what the other tabs are that make it so easy to recognize.
  69. [06:53:28] <Atamido> irc://moznet/css
  70. [06:54:26] <tantek> darn it
  71. [06:54:37] <tantek> could someone check the domain renewal date
  72. [06:55:32] <tantek> how is Eeeeessss still editing the wiki?
  73. [06:55:49] <KevinMarks> resolve sok for me
  74. [06:56:03] * bewest too
  75. [06:56:23] <tantek> hmm... odd, I still have ssh on the box
  76. [06:56:28] <KevinMarks> Domain Name:MICROFORMATS.ORG
  77. [06:56:28] <KevinMarks> Created On:26-Jan-2005 04:13:04 UTC
  78. [06:56:28] <KevinMarks> Last Updated On:07-Dec-2005 23:13:00 UTC
  79. [06:56:29] <KevinMarks> Expiration Date:26-Jan-2008 04:13:04 UTC
  80. [06:56:38] <tantek> thanks Kevin
  81. [06:57:42] <tantek> hmm.... looks correct to me now also
  82. [06:57:46] <tantek> ok, that was VERY odd
  83. [06:57:50] <tantek> what just happened?
  84. [06:58:24] <Atamido> Pinging wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net [69.25.47.165] with 32 bytes of data
  85. [06:58:30] <Atamido> Reply from 69.25.47.165: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=51
  86. [06:58:52] <tantek> is someone's DNS attempting to spoof microformats.org?
  87. [07:00:23] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Eeeessss" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  88. [07:00:30] <tantek> that's one down
  89. [07:01:11] <Atamido> It looks like it.
  90. [07:01:14] <Atamido> I guess..
  91. [07:01:29] <Atamido> I'm using Time Warner - Austin, TX
  92. [07:01:40] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Sdasdda" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  93. [07:01:40] <Atamido> It still doesn't resolve right for me.
  94. [07:02:42] <tantek> Atamido, shift-reload
  95. [07:03:11] <Atamido> It's Ctrl-F5 here.
  96. [07:03:27] <Atamido> But I already did a flushdns, and it still pulls the same.
  97. [07:03:57] <tantek> i'm resolving to 4.79.216.8
  98. [07:04:01] <tantek> what IP are you resolving to?
  99. [07:04:26] <KevinMarks> 4.79.216.8
  100. [07:04:37] <tantek> Atamido?
  101. [07:05:18] <Atamido> ping microformats.org
  102. [07:05:19] <Atamido> Pinging wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net [69.25.47.165] with 32 bytes of data:
  103. [07:05:21] <Atamido> Reply from 69.25.47.165: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=51
  104. [07:05:42] <Atamido> ping www.microformats.org
  105. [07:05:43] <Atamido> Pinging www.microformats.org [4.79.216.8] with 32 bytes of data:
  106. [07:05:44] <Atamido> Reply from 4.79.216.8: bytes=32 time=64ms TTL=50
  107. [07:06:06] <Atamido> But www.microformats.org just forwards to microformats.org for me.
  108. [07:06:23] <Atamido> And that forwards to the revenuedirect.com site.
  109. [07:07:01] <KevinMarks> in safari it looks ok
  110. [07:07:04] <Atamido> It's like I'm playing ring-around-the-rosie, internet style
  111. [07:07:36] <Atamido> I'm sure the DNS is just poisoned over here right now.
  112. [07:07:43] <tantek> Atamido, if you can dig up anything else on the problem, send it to microformats-discuss. Right now it looks all fixed for both Kevin and myself.
  113. [07:07:52] * tantek is off to bed.
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  116. [07:47:42] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  125. [09:41:20] <mfbot> [[Talk:citations in the wild]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:citations_in_the_wild * 1144316772 * (+18586)
  126. [09:41:41] <mfbot> [[Talk:xfolk-delirious]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xfolk-delirious * 1144316772 * (+18586)
  127. [09:42:07] <mfbot> [[Talk:abbr-design-pattern]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:abbr-design-pattern * 1144316772 * (+18586)
  128. [09:42:27] <mfbot> [[Talk:xfolk-scuttle]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xfolk-scuttle * 1144316772 * (+18586)
  129. [09:42:54] <mfbot> [[Talk:zen-garden]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:zen-garden * 1144316889 * (+18586)
  130. [09:43:15] <mfbot> [[Talk:blog-info-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:blog-info-brainstorming * 1144316889 * (+18586)
  131. [09:43:36] <mfbot> [[Talk:directory-inclusion-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:directory-inclusion-examples * 1144316889 * (+18586)
  132. [09:44:02] <mfbot> [[User:Tim White]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Tim_White * 1144316889 * (+18586)
  133. [09:44:23] <mfbot> [[Talk:comments-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:comments-formats * 1144316889 * (+18586)
  134. [09:44:49] <mfbot> [[Talk:xoxo-profile]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xoxo-profile * 1144316889 * (+18586)
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  139. [11:38:21] <trovster> http://paste.css-standards.org/508 does this seem all correct?
  140. [11:58:23] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5717 * John Vilburn * (+839) Added "More on This and That" section
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  142. [12:09:35] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5718 * John Vilburn * (+32) More on This and That -
  143. [12:11:11] <trovster> What's the google zeitgeist for webdev which mentions microformats?
  144. [12:11:49] <trovster> nm, found it on the blog :)
  145. [12:12:36] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5719 * John Vilburn * (+21) Schema -
  146. [12:14:47] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5720 * John Vilburn * (+69) More on This and That -
  147. [12:58:56] <DanC> <tantek> I've finally documented the often discussed (but apparently never written down) convention of how to markup the "location" of an hCalendar event as an hCard.
  148. [12:59:00] <DanC> oooh... must take a look.
  149. [12:59:05] * DanC can't now, though, darn
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  157. [15:36:08] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5721 * MariekeGuy * (+239) Examples -
  158. [15:36:24] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5722 * MariekeGuy * (-239) Examples -
  159. [15:36:40] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5723 * MariekeGuy * (+239) New Examples -
  160. [15:37:01] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5724 * MariekeGuy * (+1) New Examples -
  161. [15:37:37] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5725 * MariekeGuy * (+0) New Examples -
  162. [15:38:13] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5726 * MariekeGuy * (+1) New Examples -
  163. [15:41:03] <Atamido> DanC: Are you also getting redirected to a spam site from mf.org?
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  165. [15:47:13] <pnhChris> not from the home page i'm not
  166. [15:50:03] <Atamido> Ah, it is finally fixed in the past 10 minutes for me. :)
  167. [15:56:06] <dglazkov> are you on Win/PC, Atamido?
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  172. [16:31:31] <evanpro> http://microformats.org/ <-- this doesn't look right
  173. [16:31:38] * valmont (n=chrishol@pdpc/supporter/silver/valmont) Quit ()
  174. [16:32:05] <evanpro> http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page <-- nor does this
  175. [16:32:32] <jakedahn> evanpro: Why?
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  177. [16:34:10] <pnhChris> again, looks fine on my end... and the wiki main_page hasn't been changed since tantek's edits a few days ago
  178. [16:34:33] <evanpro> http://evan.prodromou.name/microformats-main-page.png <-- what I see
  179. [16:34:41] <evanpro> http://evan.prodromou.name/microformats-root.png <-- what I see
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  181. [16:35:19] <pnhChris> hmm.. dns issues?
  182. [16:35:27] * evanpro triple-checks to make sure that there's no porn links on his toolbar
  183. [16:35:42] <evanpro> pnhChris: I guess so
  184. [16:35:44] <pnhChris> which toolbar ;)
  185. [16:35:59] <evanpro> microformats.org. 48175 IN CNAME wc.traffic.puredns.com.
  186. [16:36:00] <evanpro> wc.traffic.puredns.com. 48175 IN CNAME wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net.
  187. [16:36:00] <evanpro> wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net. 87 IN A 66.150.161.58
  188. [16:36:00] <evanpro> wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net. 87 IN A 69.25.47.165
  189. [16:36:04] <evanpro> That's what I'm seeing
  190. [16:37:02] <evanpro> with dig microformats.org
  191. [16:37:10] * pnhChris waits for a whois to come back
  192. [16:37:14] <jakedahn> maybe it's because you have a bajillion toolbars?
  193. [16:37:21] <pnhChris> netsol blowing up again?
  194. [16:37:33] <evanpro> Hmm
  195. [16:38:11] <evanpro> I get a different situation from another site
  196. [16:38:31] <evanpro> So I'm guessing that there's been a problem that's propagating right now
  197. [16:39:00] <evanpro> Whether the correct or incorrect version is propagating seems like an open question
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  200. [16:40:15] <pnhChris> yeah.. whois and my dns query both look fine from here
  201. [16:40:37] <pnhChris> well.. insofar as I would notice
  202. [16:41:09] <pnhChris> you having issues with any other sites evanpro ?
  203. [16:42:29] <Atamido> evanpro: It was identical for me, but my DNS updated recently and is correct now.
  204. [16:42:43] * Atamido suspects DNS poison.
  205. [16:42:56] <Atamido> It looks like the correct version is propogating.
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  214. [17:47:14] <tantek> thanks for the heads-up bretonslivka, they're blocked now.
  215. [17:47:23] <tantek> Atamido, what's DNS poison?
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  231. [17:53:37] <Atamido> tantek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_cache_poisoning
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  259. [21:09:38] <evanpro> So, dumb question
  260. [21:12:06] <briansuda> yes
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  262. [21:12:40] <evanpro> http://pastebin.ca/48433 <-- I decided to put it in a pastebin
  263. [21:13:00] <evanpro> It's about using 'title' in <abbr>
  264. [21:15:23] <evanpro> doh unbalanced tag
  265. [21:16:11] <evanpro> http://pastebin.ca/48436 <-- fixed
  266. [21:16:44] <briansuda> what's your question then?
  267. [21:18:13] <evanpro> Are <span class="type">voice</span> and <abbr class="type" title="voice">somethingelse</abbr> equivalent?
  268. [21:18:42] <briansuda> equivalent
  269. [21:19:12] <evanpro> equivalent semantically, was my question.
  270. [21:19:26] <evanpro> for a suitably high definition of "semantics"
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  272. [21:26:29] <bretonslivka> Well I guess that depends on what the spec says about the title attribute
  273. [21:26:52] <bretonslivka> and the abbr tag..
  274. [21:26:52] <evanpro> The spec says yes
  275. [21:27:05] <evanpro> According to my readong
  276. [21:27:10] <evanpro> -ding
  277. [21:27:45] <bretonslivka> well there yah go
  278. [21:28:01] <briansuda> Your SPAN and ABBR example are the same thing... i'm not sure how many applications support that, but according to the spec they are equivalent
  279. [21:28:31] <evanpro> right
  280. [21:28:40] <evanpro> At least tails doesn't seem to support it
  281. [21:28:56] <briansuda> i'd email them and let them know
  282. [21:29:01] <evanpro> Yeah
  283. [21:29:41] <bretonslivka> I wonder why tails isn't using x2v
  284. [21:31:03] <evanpro> Also
  285. [21:31:49] <evanpro> If I stick a span or abbr or a or whatever in the middle of a larger element, like an vcard element...
  286. [21:32:35] <evanpro> ...that has totally separate information (like <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">foo</span><span class="fake">bar</span></span>)
  287. [21:32:56] <evanpro> it should just be ignored, right?
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  289. [21:41:19] <_fil_> yes evanpro
  290. [21:52:49] <bewest> 'lo.. ermm.. this may be an odd question.. but what do you think would be a fair market price for a javascript developer/ interface developer in san francisco?
  291. [21:54:03] <evanpro> like, if you cut them up for parts?
  292. [21:54:06] <KevinMarks> depends how good you are - we are looking for one
  293. [21:54:18] <bewest> who is we?
  294. [21:54:35] <bewest> technorati?
  295. [21:54:39] <evanpro> Check monster salary
  296. [21:54:41] <bewest> I applied there several weeks ago
  297. [21:54:47] <bewest> well I've checked salary.com
  298. [21:54:55] <bewest> I have a feeling those numbers are high
  299. [21:55:03] <bewest> well maybe I'll rephrase:
  300. [21:55:30] <bewest> salary.com indicates a range of $75 - $95k base salary with the median being at $81k
  301. [21:55:58] <bewest> that range covers 20 - 70% of people doing that work
  302. [21:56:28] <bewest> but on the other hand I don't have a whole lot of experience... graduated college about 9 months ago
  303. [21:57:19] <evanpro> That sounds high to me
  304. [21:57:49] <bewest> the localization for NYC is slightly lower
  305. [21:57:52] <evanpro> I'd try to hire someone for $40-45K, and I'd accept $60-65
  306. [21:58:02] <bewest> evanpro: where?
  307. [21:58:06] <bewest> in san francisco?
  308. [21:58:19] <evanpro> SF, but I don't live there right now, so it's not a good estimate
  309. [21:58:26] <bewest> I've already entertained offers for $80k in NYC
  310. [21:58:31] <evanpro> Well there you go
  311. [21:58:34] <bewest> ok ok
  312. [21:58:39] <bewest> so yeah it's reasonable i suppose
  313. [21:58:47] <bewest> I expect a lower pitch from these folks
  314. [21:58:57] <bewest> but there's substantially more benefits than the other offer
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  318. [22:12:24] <evanpro> you know what might be nice?
  319. [22:12:59] <evanpro> a soda
  320. [22:13:12] <evanpro> I forgot what I was going to say and realized I had left everyone hanging
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  322. [22:19:34] <bretonslivka> I know I was on the edge of my seat
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  325. [22:28:25] <evanpro> OK so I have a real question now
  326. [22:28:38] <evanpro> Let's say I have a street address I want to mark up with a NOTE
  327. [22:28:53] <evanpro> Like 1481 rue Rachel E (corner of Fabre)
  328. [22:29:54] <evanpro> should that be <span class="adr"><span class="street-address">1481 rue Rachel E</span> (<span class="note">corner of Fabre</span>)</span>
  329. [22:30:05] <evanpro> ?
  330. [22:32:33] <evanpro> Actually, looking closer, I don't think you can do that
  331. [22:32:53] <evanpro> I think the note pertains to the vcard as a whole, not to parts
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