IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-04-06
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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[[hcard-parsing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing&diff=0&oldid=5710 * Tantek * (+50) Clarify that parsers use contents of an abbr when it lacks a title attribute.
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[[hcalendar-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5711 * Tantek * (+634) cleanup and deleted nearly empty ambiguous sections (e.g. Tutorial).
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[[hcalendar-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5712 * Tantek * (+2799) add hCalendar authoring best practices for tabular data and hCard structured locations
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5713 * Tantek * (+306) add reference to the potential of marking up the event location with hCard structure
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5714 * Tantek * (+11) Example -
- [02:26:58] <tantek>
I've finally documented the often discussed (but apparently never written down) convention of how to markup the "location" of an hCalendar event as an hCard.
- [02:27:56] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming#hCard_locations
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bewest is curious about emerging standards
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [06:45:48] <bretonslivka>
something strange goes on at microformats.org
- [06:46:58] <Atamido>
Eh?
- [06:48:03] <Atamido>
I would say, "nothing goes on at microformats.org" right now.
- [06:48:16] <Atamido>
IE, no response.
- [06:48:46] <Atamido>
Oh wait, it's one of those spammed search sites.
- [06:49:29] <Atamido>
tantek, KevinMarks, dbaron, whoever: look at www.microformats.org for some issues.
- [06:49:38] <Atamido>
Did someone forget to renew the domain?
- [06:50:49] <dbaron>
No idea why you're asking me, but the domain registration looks fine; perhaps something wrong with the DNS configuration?
- [06:51:16] <mfbot>
[[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5715 * Eeeessss * (+183163)
- [06:51:18] <Atamido>
dbaron: I just recognized you from the other channel, so I thought I would mention you too. :P
- [06:51:58] * dbaron looks at the 20 channel tabs and guesses that "the other channel" is irc.mozilla.org, #css
- [06:52:27] <mfbot>
[[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5716 * Eeeessss * (-202591)
- [06:53:23] * Atamido agrees with the assessment, but wonders what the other tabs are that make it so easy to recognize.
- [06:53:28] <Atamido>
irc://moznet/css
- [06:54:26] <tantek>
darn it
- [06:54:37] <tantek>
could someone check the domain renewal date
- [06:55:32] <tantek>
how is Eeeeessss still editing the wiki?
- [06:55:49] <KevinMarks>
resolve sok for me
- [06:56:03] * bewest too
- [06:56:23] <tantek>
hmm... odd, I still have ssh on the box
- [06:56:28] <KevinMarks>
Domain Name:MICROFORMATS.ORG
- [06:56:28] <KevinMarks>
Created On:26-Jan-2005 04:13:04 UTC
- [06:56:28] <KevinMarks>
Last Updated On:07-Dec-2005 23:13:00 UTC
- [06:56:29] <KevinMarks>
Expiration Date:26-Jan-2008 04:13:04 UTC
- [06:56:38] <tantek>
thanks Kevin
- [06:57:42] <tantek>
hmm.... looks correct to me now also
- [06:57:46] <tantek>
ok, that was VERY odd
- [06:57:50] <tantek>
what just happened?
- [06:58:24] <Atamido>
Pinging wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net [69.25.47.165] with 32 bytes of data
- [06:58:30] <Atamido>
Reply from 69.25.47.165: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=51
- [06:58:52] <tantek>
is someone's DNS attempting to spoof microformats.org?
- [07:00:23] <mfbot>
[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Eeeessss" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
- [07:00:30] <tantek>
that's one down
- [07:01:11] <Atamido>
It looks like it.
- [07:01:14] <Atamido>
I guess..
- [07:01:29] <Atamido>
I'm using Time Warner - Austin, TX
- [07:01:40] <mfbot>
[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Sdasdda" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
- [07:01:40] <Atamido>
It still doesn't resolve right for me.
- [07:02:42] <tantek>
Atamido, shift-reload
- [07:03:11] <Atamido>
It's Ctrl-F5 here.
- [07:03:27] <Atamido>
But I already did a flushdns, and it still pulls the same.
- [07:03:57] <tantek>
i'm resolving to 4.79.216.8
- [07:04:01] <tantek>
what IP are you resolving to?
- [07:04:26] <KevinMarks>
4.79.216.8
- [07:04:37] <tantek>
Atamido?
- [07:05:18] <Atamido>
ping microformats.org
- [07:05:19] <Atamido>
Pinging wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net [69.25.47.165] with 32 bytes of data:
- [07:05:21] <Atamido>
Reply from 69.25.47.165: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=51
- [07:05:42] <Atamido>
ping www.microformats.org
- [07:05:43] <Atamido>
Pinging www.microformats.org [4.79.216.8] with 32 bytes of data:
- [07:05:44] <Atamido>
Reply from 4.79.216.8: bytes=32 time=64ms TTL=50
- [07:06:06] <Atamido>
But www.microformats.org just forwards to microformats.org for me.
- [07:06:23] <Atamido>
And that forwards to the revenuedirect.com site.
- [07:07:01] <KevinMarks>
in safari it looks ok
- [07:07:04] <Atamido>
It's like I'm playing ring-around-the-rosie, internet style
- [07:07:36] <Atamido>
I'm sure the DNS is just poisoned over here right now.
- [07:07:43] <tantek>
Atamido, if you can dig up anything else on the problem, send it to microformats-discuss. Right now it looks all fixed for both Kevin and myself.
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[Talk:citations in the wild]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:citations_in_the_wild * 1144316772 * (+18586)
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[[Talk:xfolk-delirious]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xfolk-delirious * 1144316772 * (+18586)
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[[Talk:abbr-design-pattern]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:abbr-design-pattern * 1144316772 * (+18586)
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[[Talk:xfolk-scuttle]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xfolk-scuttle * 1144316772 * (+18586)
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[[Talk:zen-garden]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:zen-garden * 1144316889 * (+18586)
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[[Talk:blog-info-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:blog-info-brainstorming * 1144316889 * (+18586)
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[[Talk:directory-inclusion-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:directory-inclusion-examples * 1144316889 * (+18586)
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[[User:Tim White]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Tim_White * 1144316889 * (+18586)
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[[Talk:comments-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:comments-formats * 1144316889 * (+18586)
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[[Talk:xoxo-profile]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xoxo-profile * 1144316889 * (+18586)
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- [11:38:21] <trovster>
http://paste.css-standards.org/508 does this seem all correct?
- [11:58:23] <mfbot>
[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5717 * John Vilburn * (+839) Added "More on This and That" section
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5718 * John Vilburn * (+32) More on This and That -
- [12:11:11] <trovster>
What's the google zeitgeist for webdev which mentions microformats?
- [12:11:49] <trovster>
nm, found it on the blog :)
- [12:12:36] <mfbot>
[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5719 * John Vilburn * (+21) Schema -
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5720 * John Vilburn * (+69) More on This and That -
- [12:58:56] <DanC>
<tantek> I've finally documented the often discussed (but apparently never written down) convention of how to markup the "location" of an hCalendar event as an hCard.
- [12:59:00] <DanC>
oooh... must take a look.
- [12:59:05] * DanC can't now, though, darn
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5721 * MariekeGuy * (+239) Examples -
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5722 * MariekeGuy * (-239) Examples -
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5723 * MariekeGuy * (+239) New Examples -
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5724 * MariekeGuy * (+1) New Examples -
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5725 * MariekeGuy * (+0) New Examples -
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5726 * MariekeGuy * (+1) New Examples -
- [15:41:03] <Atamido>
DanC: Are you also getting redirected to a spam site from mf.org?
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- [15:47:13] <pnhChris>
not from the home page i'm not
- [15:50:03] <Atamido>
Ah, it is finally fixed in the past 10 minutes for me. :)
- [15:56:06] <dglazkov>
are you on Win/PC, Atamido?
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- [16:31:31] <evanpro>
http://microformats.org/ <-- this doesn't look right
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- [16:32:05] <evanpro>
http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page <-- nor does this
- [16:32:32] <jakedahn>
evanpro: Why?
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- [16:34:10] <pnhChris>
again, looks fine on my end... and the wiki main_page hasn't been changed since tantek's edits a few days ago
- [16:34:33] <evanpro>
http://evan.prodromou.name/microformats-main-page.png <-- what I see
- [16:34:41] <evanpro>
http://evan.prodromou.name/microformats-root.png <-- what I see
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- [16:35:19] <pnhChris>
hmm.. dns issues?
- [16:35:27] * evanpro triple-checks to make sure that there's no porn links on his toolbar
- [16:35:42] <evanpro>
pnhChris: I guess so
- [16:35:44] <pnhChris>
which toolbar ;)
- [16:35:59] <evanpro>
microformats.org. 48175 IN CNAME wc.traffic.puredns.com.
- [16:36:00] <evanpro>
wc.traffic.puredns.com. 48175 IN CNAME wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net.
- [16:36:00] <evanpro>
wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net. 87 IN A 66.150.161.58
- [16:36:00] <evanpro>
wc.funnel.revenuedirect.com.akadns.net. 87 IN A 69.25.47.165
- [16:36:04] <evanpro>
That's what I'm seeing
- [16:37:02] <evanpro>
with dig microformats.org
- [16:37:10] * pnhChris waits for a whois to come back
- [16:37:14] <jakedahn>
maybe it's because you have a bajillion toolbars?
- [16:37:21] <pnhChris>
netsol blowing up again?
- [16:37:33] <evanpro>
Hmm
- [16:38:11] <evanpro>
I get a different situation from another site
- [16:38:31] <evanpro>
So I'm guessing that there's been a problem that's propagating right now
- [16:39:00] <evanpro>
Whether the correct or incorrect version is propagating seems like an open question
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- [16:40:15] <pnhChris>
yeah.. whois and my dns query both look fine from here
- [16:40:37] <pnhChris>
well.. insofar as I would notice
- [16:41:09] <pnhChris>
you having issues with any other sites evanpro ?
- [16:42:29] <Atamido>
evanpro: It was identical for me, but my DNS updated recently and is correct now.
- [16:42:43] * Atamido suspects DNS poison.
- [16:42:56] <Atamido>
It looks like the correct version is propogating.
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- [16:56:29] <bretonslivka>
Hrmn lots of spam. I wonder if there is a way to add code to disalow numbers from registering
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tantek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_cache_poisoning
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- [21:09:38] <evanpro>
So, dumb question
- [21:12:06] <briansuda>
yes
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- [21:12:40] <evanpro>
http://pastebin.ca/48433 <-- I decided to put it in a pastebin
- [21:13:00] <evanpro>
It's about using 'title' in <abbr>
- [21:15:23] <evanpro>
doh unbalanced tag
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http://pastebin.ca/48436 <-- fixed
- [21:16:44] <briansuda>
what's your question then?
- [21:18:13] <evanpro>
Are <span class="type">voice</span> and <abbr class="type" title="voice">somethingelse</abbr> equivalent?
- [21:18:42] <briansuda>
equivalent
- [21:19:12] <evanpro>
equivalent semantically, was my question.
- [21:19:26] <evanpro>
for a suitably high definition of "semantics"
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- [21:26:29] <bretonslivka>
Well I guess that depends on what the spec says about the title attribute
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and the abbr tag..
- [21:26:52] <evanpro>
The spec says yes
- [21:27:05] <evanpro>
According to my readong
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-ding
- [21:27:45] <bretonslivka>
well there yah go
- [21:28:01] <briansuda>
Your SPAN and ABBR example are the same thing... i'm not sure how many applications support that, but according to the spec they are equivalent
- [21:28:31] <evanpro>
right
- [21:28:40] <evanpro>
At least tails doesn't seem to support it
- [21:28:56] <briansuda>
i'd email them and let them know
- [21:29:01] <evanpro>
Yeah
- [21:29:41] <bretonslivka>
I wonder why tails isn't using x2v
- [21:31:03] <evanpro>
Also
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If I stick a span or abbr or a or whatever in the middle of a larger element, like an vcard element...
- [21:32:35] <evanpro>
...that has totally separate information (like <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">foo</span><span class="fake">bar</span></span>)
- [21:32:56] <evanpro>
it should just be ignored, right?
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- [21:41:19] <_fil_>
yes evanpro
- [21:52:49] <bewest>
'lo.. ermm.. this may be an odd question.. but what do you think would be a fair market price for a javascript developer/ interface developer in san francisco?
- [21:54:03] <evanpro>
like, if you cut them up for parts?
- [21:54:06] <KevinMarks>
depends how good you are - we are looking for one
- [21:54:18] <bewest>
who is we?
- [21:54:35] <bewest>
technorati?
- [21:54:39] <evanpro>
Check monster salary
- [21:54:41] <bewest>
I applied there several weeks ago
- [21:54:47] <bewest>
well I've checked salary.com
- [21:54:55] <bewest>
I have a feeling those numbers are high
- [21:55:03] <bewest>
well maybe I'll rephrase:
- [21:55:30] <bewest>
salary.com indicates a range of $75 - $95k base salary with the median being at $81k
- [21:55:58] <bewest>
that range covers 20 - 70% of people doing that work
- [21:56:28] <bewest>
but on the other hand I don't have a whole lot of experience... graduated college about 9 months ago
- [21:57:19] <evanpro>
That sounds high to me
- [21:57:49] <bewest>
the localization for NYC is slightly lower
- [21:57:52] <evanpro>
I'd try to hire someone for $40-45K, and I'd accept $60-65
- [21:58:02] <bewest>
evanpro: where?
- [21:58:06] <bewest>
in san francisco?
- [21:58:19] <evanpro>
SF, but I don't live there right now, so it's not a good estimate
- [21:58:26] <bewest>
I've already entertained offers for $80k in NYC
- [21:58:31] <evanpro>
Well there you go
- [21:58:34] <bewest>
ok ok
- [21:58:39] <bewest>
so yeah it's reasonable i suppose
- [21:58:47] <bewest>
I expect a lower pitch from these folks
- [21:58:57] <bewest>
but there's substantially more benefits than the other offer
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you know what might be nice?
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a soda
- [22:13:12] <evanpro>
I forgot what I was going to say and realized I had left everyone hanging
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I know I was on the edge of my seat
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- [22:28:25] <evanpro>
OK so I have a real question now
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Let's say I have a street address I want to mark up with a NOTE
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Like 1481 rue Rachel E (corner of Fabre)
- [22:29:54] <evanpro>
should that be <span class="adr"><span class="street-address">1481 rue Rachel E</span> (<span class="note">corner of Fabre</span>)</span>
- [22:30:05] <evanpro>
?
- [22:32:33] <evanpro>
Actually, looking closer, I don't think you can do that
- [22:32:53] <evanpro>
I think the note pertains to the vcard as a whole, not to parts
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