IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-05-19

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  24. [05:42:30] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  30. [06:25:47] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  36. [07:10:53] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  55. [09:02:54] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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  63. [10:03:49] <trovster> http://www.flickr.com/photos/adactio/149197933/ look who it is!
  64. [10:05:08] <Kura> beer!
  65. [10:05:10] <Kura> amsterdam!
  66. [10:05:20] <Kura> they need to haul their asses to Leiden! :(
  67. [10:07:46] <briansuda> slight spelling mistake!
  68. [10:24:44] <kingryan> did someone say beer?
  69. [10:27:48] <trovster> Yes, Kura did.
  70. [10:28:17] <Kura> beeeeee
  71. [10:28:18] <Kura> r
  72. [10:28:32] <Kura> that was a slight spelling mistake ;)
  73. [10:30:54] <briansuda> my spelling mistake isn't as bad as kingryan http://www.flickr.com/photos/zbraniecki/149193136/
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  88. [12:39:39] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  97. [13:48:41] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  112. [15:10:58] <Sam_Elowitch> hello all
  113. [15:11:42] <Sam_Elowitch> I'm thinking about how hCard copes with married couples, esp. same household, same home phone, different work contact info, hopefully in one record.
  114. [15:12:04] <tantek> Sam - why in one record?
  115. [15:12:05] <Sam_Elowitch> and also whether there is some way to incorporate hCard into a relational database, e.g., MySQL
  116. [15:12:11] <Sam_Elowitch> good question
  117. [15:12:13] <Sam_Elowitch> well,
  118. [15:12:22] <tantek> an hCard is *a* person or organization
  119. [15:12:22] <tantek> that's the model
  120. [15:12:23] <Sam_Elowitch> I'm thinking about how PalmOS deals with these things (not well)
  121. [15:12:25] <tantek> taken from vCard
  122. [15:12:35] <Sam_Elowitch> right, I understand
  123. [15:12:42] <tantek> so a couple has two hCards
  124. [15:12:47] <Sam_Elowitch> ok
  125. [15:12:56] <Sam_Elowitch> is there something like a spouse_id?
  126. [15:13:12] <tantek> no, but you may want to take a look at XFN: http://gmpg.org/xfn/
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  128. [15:13:19] <tantek> which represents relationships
  129. [15:13:28] <tantek> like rel="spouse"
  130. [15:13:29] <DanC_lap> any volunteers to take http://www.w3.org/2006/05/w3c-track and add hCalendar markup and send it to me?
  131. [15:13:50] <Sam_Elowitch> aaaah yes, I was looking at this earlier today
  132. [15:13:54] <Sam_Elowitch> thank you, tantek
  133. [15:13:58] <tantek> np Sam!
  134. [15:14:07] <Sam_Elowitch> I'm an admirer of your work, btw
  135. [15:14:11] <tantek> DanC, perhaps add to lazyweb section of /wiki/to-do?
  136. [15:14:16] <tantek> thanks!
  137. [15:14:19] <DanC_lap> ah
  138. [15:14:20] <Sam_Elowitch> (at the risk of embarrassing you a little.)
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  140. [15:15:57] <Sam_Elowitch> I wonder if there's a way to bridge the two concepts, XFN and hCard/hCalendar
  141. [15:16:21] <Sam_Elowitch> because what has driven me crazy for so long is how I've had to trick my Palm Pilot, for example into doing this:
  142. [15:16:37] <Sam_Elowitch> I have a couple named Sam Elowitch and Leah Binder (that's me and wife, not coincidentally)
  143. [15:16:48] <Sam_Elowitch> In my Palm, I enter:
  144. [15:17:00] <Sam_Elowitch> First Name: Sam Elowitch & Leah
  145. [15:17:04] <Sam_Elowitch> Last Name: Binder
  146. [15:17:15] <Sam_Elowitch> Home Address: 111 Wherever Street
  147. [15:17:19] <Sam_Elowitch> etc.
  148. [15:17:39] <Sam_Elowitch> also the lack of true relationality
  149. [15:18:01] <tantek> what is relationality?
  150. [15:18:03] <Sam_Elowitch> I'd like each record to have an optional spouse_id or child_id or parent-id
  151. [15:18:15] <Sam_Elowitch> sorry, the quality of being part of a relational database
  152. [15:18:18] <Sam_Elowitch> (imprecise term)
  153. [15:18:28] <tantek> on the web, our IDs are URLs
  154. [15:18:44] <tantek> everywhere you think ID in terms of a relational database, substitute URL
  155. [15:18:53] <Sam_Elowitch> hmmmm
  156. [15:19:14] <Sam_Elowitch> but suppose someone simply doesn't have a URL? I'm thinking this works for offline as well as online purposes
  157. [15:19:36] <tantek> that's like saying, suppose someone doesn't have an email address ;)
  158. [15:19:43] <Sam_Elowitch> well, yes...
  159. [15:19:46] <Sam_Elowitch> ok, point taken
  160. [15:20:06] <Sam_Elowitch> but in a relational database, everyone has an id whether or not they have an e-mail address or URL
  161. [15:20:12] <Sam_Elowitch> nothing prevents them from having that id
  162. [15:20:26] <Sam_Elowitch> whereas not everybody has a URL they care to be identified by
  163. [15:20:48] <tantek> nor does everybody have an id in a relational database that they care to be identified by
  164. [15:20:56] <tantek> it is not a different problem
  165. [15:20:57] <Sam_Elowitch> well yes,
  166. [15:21:01] <tantek> if you can insert a record into a database
  167. [15:21:03] * DanC_lap added to /wiki/to-do ; wonders about the bot that used to announce that here
  168. [15:21:05] <tantek> you can publish a page on the web
  169. [15:21:09] <tantek> exactly the same
  170. [15:21:34] <Sam_Elowitch> let me see if understand your point correctly
  171. [15:21:52] <Sam_Elowitch> each person is a record identified by a unique URL
  172. [15:22:04] <Sam_Elowitch> oh wait a minute
  173. [15:22:06] <Sam_Elowitch> now I get it
  174. [15:22:18] <Sam_Elowitch> every person has a URL regardless of whether they have a website per se
  175. [15:22:38] <Sam_Elowitch> because if nothing else, that URL is part of my hCard-enabled website
  176. [15:22:47] <tantek> yes
  177. [15:22:49] <Sam_Elowitch> aaaah
  178. [15:22:52] <Sam_Elowitch> much clearer
  179. [15:22:58] <Sam_Elowitch> so no one is without a unique URL
  180. [15:23:32] <Sam_Elowitch> is there a unique number appended to a generic "root" URL, then?
  181. [15:24:16] <Sam_Elowitch> ok, ok I should RTFM I know
  182. [15:24:21] <Sam_Elowitch> I'll do that, I promise
  183. [15:25:27] <Sam_Elowitch> thank you so much ...
  184. [15:25:41] <Sam_Elowitch> I was lucky to get to talk with you
  185. [15:25:44] <DanC_lap> Sam_Elowitch, speaking of having your palmpilot grok rules like "people who are married share a home address" have you seen ndw's work on that? http://nwalsh.com/docs/articles/extreme2002/ and blog articles like http://norman.walsh.name/2004/08/25/itineraryHowTo
  186. [15:25:57] <Sam_Elowitch> oooh looks like good stuff!!!
  187. [15:26:06] <Sam_Elowitch> DanC: I'm a little obssessed
  188. [15:26:53] <Sam_Elowitch> i'll definitely read that, too
  189. [15:26:55] <Sam_Elowitch> fascinating
  190. [15:27:07] <Sam_Elowitch> thanx DanC
  191. [15:27:19] <DanC_lap> perhaps more directly relevant... http://norman.walsh.name/2005/12/16/pimExample
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  193. [15:27:53] <DanC_lap> "The inference that one draws from “living together” is that the parties involved share a home address and (ignoring for the moment teenagers with their own phones) a home phone number:"
  194. [15:27:53] <Sam_Elowitch> well i know what I'll be reading in bed tonight
  195. [15:28:04] <Sam_Elowitch> cool
  196. [15:28:25] <Sam_Elowitch> see, the way I model it in my mind is if you had a RDMS like MySQL
  197. [15:28:30] <Sam_Elowitch> where each person is a row in the dbase
  198. [15:28:55] <Sam_Elowitch> and each individual has his/her own home address, phone number, extension at work, work e-mail
  199. [15:29:14] <Sam_Elowitch> but he/she also has a work_id that is numeric that matches an organization in another table
  200. [15:29:25] <Sam_Elowitch> or a spouse_id referencing the PEOPLE table
  201. [15:29:35] <tantek> sam, actually you want a table of relationships
  202. [15:29:42] <Sam_Elowitch> tantek: yes!
  203. [15:29:44] <Sam_Elowitch> that's right
  204. [15:29:47] <tantek> rather than a hardcoded "spouse" notion in the schema
  205. [15:29:55] <Sam_Elowitch> relationship_type: spousal
  206. [15:30:03] <Sam_Elowitch> id_of_person_one: 445
  207. [15:30:09] <Sam_Elowitch> id_of_person_two: 333
  208. [15:30:10] <tantek> hence the relationships listed in XFN
  209. [15:30:11] <DanC_lap> yeah, there's an interesting connection between SQL, microformats, and RDF and even stuff like JSON. That's where I do most of my hacking. I spent yesterday on SQL/RDF, for example. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2006/dbview/dbview.py
  210. [15:30:19] <Sam_Elowitch> started_date: (your anniversary here)
  211. [15:30:51] <tantek> and the rels are unidirectional
  212. [15:30:58] <tantek> not all relationships are symmetrical
  213. [15:31:12] <Sam_Elowitch> hmmmmmm that's something I had not considered
  214. [15:31:22] <Sam_Elowitch> so if I'm unmarried and I have a crush on someone....
  215. [15:31:27] <tantek> Sam, I recommend you read through all the docs on XFN
  216. [15:31:34] <Sam_Elowitch> I might reference the crush_id
  217. [15:31:34] <tantek> these issues and more are covered in some depth
  218. [15:31:38] <Sam_Elowitch> ok, will do
  219. [15:31:46] <DanC_lap> ndw made up his own p:spouse property; I wonder how well it matches xfn:spouse
  220. [15:32:10] <Sam_Elowitch> I see the utility in one-way relationships for a scenario like unrequited love
  221. [15:32:12] <Sam_Elowitch> :-)
  222. [15:32:14] <Sam_Elowitch> :-)
  223. [15:32:24] <tantek> it is not just utility, it is a reflection of the real world
  224. [15:32:29] <Sam_Elowitch> yes of course
  225. [15:32:31] <tantek> which is what data should be designed to do
  226. [15:32:34] <Sam_Elowitch> yep
  227. [15:32:47] <tantek> rather than reflect some hypothetical (typically simplified) ideal
  228. [15:33:19] <Sam_Elowitch> yes, i was simply reaching for a metaphor there
  229. [15:33:49] <Sam_Elowitch> note to self: read XFN docs
  230. [15:34:46] * DanC_lap queues such notes in http://del.icio.us/connolly/toread
  231. [15:35:04] <DanC_lap> though delicious is getting slower these days. :-/
  232. [15:35:44] <Sam_Elowitch> popularity does have its drawbacks
  233. [15:36:22] <Sam_Elowitch> personally, I'm too exhausted by all my website-maintenance responsibilities to have much energy for blogging
  234. [15:36:42] <Sam_Elowitch> besides, I'm not sure anybody would really care to read what I have to say
  235. [15:36:53] <DanC_lap> well, I don't have enough energy to remember things I want to read. So I outsource it to delicious ;-)
  236. [15:37:04] <Sam_Elowitch> welll said
  237. [15:37:55] <DanC_lap> whether anybody else cares what I want to read... I don't care much, except that by making it world-readable, google etc. will back it up for me. and I'm contribuiting a bit to google karma, delicious popularity, etc.
  238. [15:38:09] <Sam_Elowitch> gotcah
  239. [15:38:18] <Sam_Elowitch> contributing the base of knowledge out there
  240. [15:38:20] <Sam_Elowitch> makes sense to me
  241. [15:39:01] <Sam_Elowitch> btw, completely off-topic here, but may I...?
  242. [15:39:29] <Sam_Elowitch> tantek likely would appreciate this...
  243. [15:40:05] <Sam_Elowitch> I hate the way fractions (and many other parts of Unicode) are implemented/not implemented/not well implemented on the Web
  244. [15:40:34] <Sam_Elowitch> all I want to do is represent good-looking fraction glyphs (no CSS hacks) on my website and thus far, it's a practical impossibility
  245. [15:40:45] <Sam_Elowitch> there, end rant
  246. [15:40:50] <Sam_Elowitch> end off-topic
  247. [15:40:57] <Sam_Elowitch> feel much better
  248. [15:41:00] <Sam_Elowitch> ;-)
  249. [15:41:24] <tantek> Sam, yes, welcome to the pet peeve that is every scientists path to MathML
  250. [15:41:32] <Sam_Elowitch> yup
  251. [15:41:37] <Sam_Elowitch> or maybe CSS 3?
  252. [15:41:48] <tantek> right
  253. [15:41:53] <DanC_lap> funny... a friend of my wife mailed her a recipie the other day... in MS word. MS Word on the mac mangled the fractions. abiword to the rescue! I converted it to XHTML and she printed that. (I had trouble printing from the linux box. grumble.)
  254. [15:42:01] <tantek> (MathML of course is overkill for mere fractions)
  255. [15:42:04] <Sam_Elowitch> hmm, neat
  256. [15:42:09] <Sam_Elowitch> right
  257. [15:42:19] <Sam_Elowitch> I'm playing with siFR but that's not really what I want
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  259. [15:42:29] * tantek ponders a math microformat
  260. [15:42:51] <Sam_Elowitch> see, I like to give measurements in inches as well as in centimeters (for paintings in an art gallery) www.barridoff.com
  261. [15:42:59] <tantek> what is the 80/20 of use cases of mathematical expressions on the web?
  262. [15:43:03] * DanC_lap can think of 3 or 4 precedents to review for a math microformat... ping's MINSE, DSR's thingy. oh, and of course, latex.
  263. [15:43:04] <Sam_Elowitch> and I have to resort to inline fractions 1/3, 5/8
  264. [15:43:14] * tantek keeps his recipes in decimals
  265. [15:43:24] <Sam_Elowitch> yes, that's one solution
  266. [15:43:36] <Sam_Elowitch> but so many folks think in the "English" system
  267. [15:43:36] <tantek> DanC - those are only previous *formats*
  268. [15:43:42] <Sam_Elowitch> myself included
  269. [15:43:42] <tantek> we of course have to start with *examples*
  270. [15:44:14] <DanC_lap> true, latex isn't an example of math on the web. but MINSE and DSR's thingy are.
  271. [15:44:16] <Sam_Elowitch> why is it that I can reliable display any number of obscure glyphs with UTF-8 but not something as naturally useful as a gosh-darned fraction??
  272. [15:44:17] * tantek wants a set of measuring spoons/cups in decimal
  273. [15:44:40] <Sam_Elowitch> and why is it that the fractions display in DIFFERENT FONTS from each other in the same browser, despite any CSS?
  274. [15:44:46] <tantek> Sam, you're right that it should be done with CSS
  275. [15:44:46] <Sam_Elowitch> that one in particular is confounding
  276. [15:44:57] <DanC_lap> is <sup>1</sup>/<sub>3</sub> cup not a happy way to communicate fractions?
  277. [15:45:03] <Sam_Elowitch> i tried that
  278. [15:45:10] <Sam_Elowitch> there are a number of problems with it
  279. [15:45:11] <tantek> DanC, shame on you for presentational markup
  280. [15:45:15] <Sam_Elowitch> exactly
  281. [15:45:45] <tantek> decimals are sufficient for recipes
  282. [15:45:48] * DanC_lap thinks "superscript" is a pretty reasonable semantic
  283. [15:45:53] <Sam_Elowitch> well that begs the questions, are the fraction glyphs themselves presentational and not semantic?
  284. [15:45:56] <DanC_lap> similarly b, i, em, and tt.
  285. [15:45:59] <tantek> DanC, it isn't
  286. [15:46:02] <tantek> because the semantic is one third
  287. [15:46:06] <tantek> the value one third
  288. [15:46:20] <tantek> not one superscripted and three subscripted
  289. [15:46:28] <tantek> that's presentational and pretty darn useless to a recipe
  290. [15:46:35] <tantek> one third is the meaning here
  291. [15:47:19] <tantek> what you want (for recipes at least) is something as simple as <span class="amount">.33333</span>
  292. [15:47:29] <tantek> or if you want a prettier display
  293. [15:47:39] <Sam_Elowitch> the closest thing I came to working solution was combining the unicode superscript/subscript numbers 0-9 with the fraction slash &#47;
  294. [15:47:41] <tantek> <abbr class="amount" title="0.33333">1/3</abbr>
  295. [15:47:48] <Sam_Elowitch> but it's non-semantic
  296. [15:47:52] <tantek> yep
  297. [15:47:55] <Sam_Elowitch> and while it works well on most Windows browsers
  298. [15:48:02] <Sam_Elowitch> it dies a horrible death on the Mac
  299. [15:48:07] <Sam_Elowitch> and the fonts are still messed up
  300. [15:48:10] <Sam_Elowitch> why? why? why?
  301. [15:48:46] <Sam_Elowitch> like why are one-half, one-quarter, and three-quarters in a different typeface than three-eighths, seven-eighths, etc.???
  302. [15:48:49] <Sam_Elowitch> whose idea was that?
  303. [15:48:52] <Sam_Elowitch> what was the rationale?
  304. [15:49:00] <DanC_lap> the Mac has a very strange relationship with HTML. RTF is so deep in the system that HTML has a hard time. The irony is that HTML was *invented* by using spare bits in the nextstep RTF data structure.
  305. [15:49:15] <Sam_Elowitch> wow i didn't know that
  306. [15:49:45] <Sam_Elowitch> anyway, this problem has been killing me
  307. [15:49:51] <Sam_Elowitch> i lie awake at night
  308. [15:49:57] <Sam_Elowitch> (I know, get a life)
  309. [15:50:10] <DanC_lap> what kills me is that in Mac mail, I can make bold and bullet lists, but not a hyperlink. If I could have it the other way around, I would.
  310. [15:50:25] <Sam_Elowitch> you mean Mail.app?
  311. [15:50:30] <DanC_lap> yeah
  312. [15:50:47] <Sam_Elowitch> I use it, but I wanna switch over to Thunderbird once I get LDAP set up and working
  313. [15:50:55] <Sam_Elowitch> Mail is just too slow
  314. [15:50:59] <tantek> DanC, mail programs auto-link URLs anyway, there is no need
  315. [15:51:12] * DanC_lap hates in-your-face URLs
  316. [15:51:23] <tantek> ah, yes, i agree with that
  317. [15:51:28] <tantek> you want to hyperlink specific phrases
  318. [15:51:28] * Sam_Elowitch agrees with Dan and Tantek on that
  319. [15:52:14] <Sam_Elowitch> does anybody know how we got into that nasty situation with fractions? what series of events left us with something that is so close to working but ultimately fails in an infuriating way?
  320. [15:52:25] <Sam_Elowitch> (sorry for topic-jumping again)
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  322. [15:52:45] <DanC_lap> "The thunderbird editor groks hypertext but doesn't know that integrity is job one." -- http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/blog/2?from=30
  323. [15:53:26] <Sam_Elowitch> Dan is a veritable treasure-trove of good reading!
  324. [15:53:59] <DanC_lap> well, if you haven't read everything I have ever written, you'd better get busy! ;-)
  325. [15:54:07] <Sam_Elowitch> I hate situations that are soclose to being workable but which fail in some important way
  326. [15:54:16] <Sam_Elowitch> yeah, ok --- i'll get right on that :-)
  327. [15:55:13] * DanC_lap wrote another relevant item, but can't find it easily; wishes for a title/date view in drupal
  328. [15:55:21] <Sam_Elowitch> anyhoo, i'm hoping that hCard/hCalendar will present an easy way to share contacts and calendars with my wife over our home network without the need for .Mac, WebDAV, GoogleCalendar and other flawed solutions
  329. [15:55:49] <Sam_Elowitch> gCalendar would be great if it only was roundtrip
  330. [15:55:59] <Sam_Elowitch> but it ain't
  331. [15:56:07] <Sam_Elowitch> subscribe one-way only
  332. [15:57:00] <DanC_lap> ah yes... more about editing tools. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/102
  333. [15:57:06] <Sam_Elowitch> btw, is there a semantically correct way to write a fractions, presentation issues aside?
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  335. [15:58:54] <Sam_Elowitch> like, ideally, absent mathml, is there a "correct" way to represent a fraction from a semantic perspective?
  336. [15:59:18] <Sam_Elowitch> the glyph references are strictly presentational, right?
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  338. [16:00:36] <Sam_Elowitch> that is to say, &#8540; doesn't really "mean" three-eighths, does it?
  339. [16:00:40] * DanC_lap wanders off to continue packing for http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/#www2006
  340. [16:00:53] <Sam_Elowitch> bye Dan --- thanx
  341. [16:01:42] <Sam_Elowitch> i should probably get back to work myself
  342. [16:05:18] <tantek_> Sam, the only "correct" way so far to represent fractions from a semantic perspective is MathML
  343. [16:06:20] <Sam_Elowitch> ah
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  346. [16:06:39] <Sam_Elowitch> well, it seems overkill to go with MathML just for the sake of fractions
  347. [16:06:49] <Sam_Elowitch> but i'm the kind of guy who would indeed go that far
  348. [16:07:08] <Sam_Elowitch> merely because I give a hoot about standards, etc.
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