IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-06-07
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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so I'm a little unclear on the need for a way to repeat things several times on a page
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the include thing
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I mean, I get the idea of "include" being useful
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but I don't see the need for repeated events on a page
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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Hello
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=6529 * Tantek * (+118) need to flesh out hcalendar-examples
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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kingryan is ryan king
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- [17:46:24] * DanC updates http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/CG/#future with hCalendar markup
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- [17:57:53] <kingryan_>
nice DanC
- [17:58:02] <kingryan_>
not sure this is meaningful, though:
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<b class="location vcard">
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<span class="adr">
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<a class="locality" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budva"
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>Budva</a>, <span class="country-name">Montenegro</span>
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</span>
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</b>
- [17:58:14] <kingryan_>
that's an hcard with no FN or N
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- [17:59:19] <tantek>
kingryan is right, might as well just use class="location adr" in that case
- [17:59:22] <DanC>
indeed, that's kinda horked
- [17:59:58] <DanC>
this nesting stuff is tricky, especially when the URLs get goofed up
- [18:00:13] * DanC wonders if he has reported that problem/issue properly
- [18:00:28] * kingryan_ doesn't see colons in class names often - "<ul class="stm:people">"
- [18:00:48] <DanC>
I play around with colons in class names now and again
- [18:00:57] <DanC>
if nothing else, to see what breaks ;-)
- [18:01:04] <kingryan_>
:D
- [18:01:58] <DanC>
the calendar info on http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/CG/#future is used in practice. The hCard isn't, yet.
- [18:02:19] <DanC>
we maintain http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/CG/plan-formal.ics and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/CG/plan-formal.rdf
- [18:02:54] <DanC>
so the "location vcard" with no fn is sort of a reminder for me to noodle on the nesting issues some more.
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- [18:08:55] <bewest>
I've seen colons in class names
- [18:08:59] <bewest>
to describe a format
- [18:09:01] <bewest>
kind of weird...
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- [18:10:47] <bewest>
http://kurafire.net/projects/face scroll down to implementation. an example looks like class="S:slide:10:L:20:0:glow,slide2">
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- [18:11:35] <kingryan_>
ah, yes, putting parameters in the classnames
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- [18:11:52] * kingryan is not sure what he thinks of that
- [18:12:11] <tantek>
DanC, no need for noodling on that example in particular
- [18:12:17] <tantek>
you have an address, not a contact card
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thus embed the address as an "adr", rather than embedding an incomplete hCard
- [18:13:39] <bewest>
kingryan: yeah, I'm not sure I like it either
- [18:13:57] <dglazkov>
that's coding presentation into class name.
- [18:14:00] <dglazkov>
ew
- [18:14:05] <dglazkov>
I mean...
- [18:14:08] <dglazkov>
no, ew
- [18:14:14] <bewest>
yeah
- [18:14:16] <kingryan>
yeah
- [18:14:32] <bewest>
well, it's coding procedure into data, right?
- [18:14:35] <bewest>
which is generally bad
- [18:14:50] <kingryan>
well, to give them credit, it *is* still rather declarative
- [18:14:56] <dglazkov>
actually, no, that's declarative
- [18:14:56] <kingryan>
but its just ugly
- [18:15:03] <bewest>
ah
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select reason from gsnedders limit 1;
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:)
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Joins.
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select reason from gsnedders order by importance limit 1;
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Joins.
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- [18:23:44] <bewest>
DanC: did you author formal-plan.rdf by hand?
- [18:24:00] <DanC>
no; see ./Makefile
- [18:24:07] <DanC>
it uses glean-hcal.xsl
- [18:25:13] <bewest>
ah
- [18:25:21] <bewest>
the Makefile wants http auth
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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- [19:57:56] <DanC>
oops... sorry, bwest; http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/CG/Makefile is world-readable now
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- [20:12:06] <bewest>
DanC: thanks :-)
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sorry I've missed the past few weeks, been travelin'
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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- [21:00:26] <kingryan>
yeah, there were shenanigans
- [21:06:52] <kingryan>
so, briansuda, I've published he hcard tests: http://microformats.org/tests/hcard/
- [21:07:19] <briansuda>
excellent, i saw the email to the dev-list
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hCalendar next?
- [21:07:31] <kingryan>
yeah
- [21:07:37] <kingryan>
should go much quicker
- [21:07:50] <briansuda>
i know Mark Mansour has a test suite he uses, we could adapt and add to that
- [21:09:32] <kingryan>
yeah, that's my starting point
- [21:09:37] <kingryan>
its already in hg
- [21:13:13] <KevinMarks>
http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php?title=what_is_the_problem_i_have_with_microfor&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
- [21:13:27] <KevinMarks>
this chap needs some help with implied and explicit URI's
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- [21:15:17] <kingryan>
briansuda, you have a few minutes?
- [21:15:22] <kingryan>
DanC, you around?
- [21:15:38] * briansuda just updating tests
- [21:15:49] <briansuda>
i've got a few yes
- [21:16:53] <kingryan>
ok
- [21:17:06] <kingryan>
so, the xslt for hcalendar...
- [21:17:20] <kingryan>
when it sees a datetime with no timezone, it converts it to UTC
- [21:17:30] <kingryan>
is there a reason you do that, rather than leave it floating?
- [21:17:42] <tantek>
KevinMarks, it's easier than that, just tell him to search for URL instead of URI. Problem solved.
- [21:17:52] <KevinMarks>
heh
- [21:18:12] <KevinMarks>
that is a good point
- [21:18:33] <briansuda>
kingryan, i think it converts EVERYTHING to UTC because that is what the RFC says... i need to look into it again
- [21:18:42] * tantek is amazed at how many smart folks look for something very specific, don't find it, then conclude that nothing in the general area could possibly exist, because, well, after a meager search attempt they couldn't find anything.
- [21:19:05] <hober>
tantek: google has eaten their brains
- [21:19:57] <kingryan>
yeah, the couldn't possibly consider that the reason they didn't find it was that our search sucks on the wiki
- [21:20:18] <kingryan>
briansuda - but there's a concept of floating times- which have no timezone
- [21:22:06] <briansuda>
kingryan, the whole datetime needs refactoring - i'll probably split it out to it's own XSLT file (like uri.xsl)
- [21:22:25] <briansuda>
go ahead and makes some test cases where X2V failes that way i have a target to code too
- [21:22:31] * DanC is trying to be around, but hasn't finished a phone call...
- [21:22:51] <tantek>
it couldn't possibly have anything to do with MySQL full text indexing not indexing 3 letter (or less) words and MediaWiki being based on MySQL
- [21:23:08] <kingryan>
tantek: I've already made that comment on the guy's blog :D
- [21:23:34] <kingryan>
alright, briansuda, as I start working on the hCalendar tests, I'm sure there'll be more questions like this
- [21:24:06] <tantek>
very nice kingryan
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- [21:28:25] <kingryan>
I did hg mv foo foo2
- [21:28:36] <kingryan>
afterwards, both foo and foo2 exist
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[[what-are-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-are-microformats&diff=0&oldid=6530 * Tantek * (+135) linked to knowprose's blogpost
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=6531 * KevinHarder * (+237) Companies / Organizations / Authors / Services -
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- [22:24:40] * DanC finally finishes his call; was going to try to tune in for office hours, but has family time a little early today.
- [22:24:41] <DanC>
darn
- [22:26:49] <mfbot>
[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=6533 * EdwardOConnor * (+92) Examples in the wild - federali.st
- [22:27:02] <kingryan>
too bad, DanC
- [22:27:37] <DanC>
and next week I'm travelling, FYI
- [22:28:11] <DanC>
I see we're starting to focus on hCalendar tests... is anybody here following the IETF CALSIFY WG closely?
- [22:28:45] <tantek_>
DanC, I keep up with the list
- [22:30:10] <DanC>
I asked what I thought was a pretty focussed question about "dtstart and date vs datetime" to the calsify list and haven't gotten an answer.
- [22:30:22] <DanC>
sent it 21 Apr
- [22:31:05] <DanC>
http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/2006-April/000925.html
- [22:31:29] <DanC>
hmm... New chair: Eliot Lear ... anybody know him?
- [22:31:44] <DanC>
in typical IETF fashion, no link to a blog/homepage in http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/2006-April/000929.html
- [22:32:16] * kingryan 's head still spins when he thinks about date formats
- [22:33:07] <DanC>
hmm... revised charter http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/2006-June/000984.html ... phpht... archive thingy doesn't grok HTML
- [22:33:33] <DanC>
crap; they're reconsidering whether to go to draft standard
- [22:33:50] <kingryan>
ouch
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- [22:35:31] <DanC>
to go to draft standard, they can only take stuff out. So they're considering adding stuff. sigh.
- [22:36:07] <DanC>
that msg is dated 5 Jun; I guess it's still in order to comment
- [22:36:11] <DanC>
gotta run, though
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- [22:39:49] <hober>
my probably-very-gratuitous use of hAtom this weekend: http://federali.st/
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- [22:40:40] <kingryan>
that's pretty nerdy hober
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- [22:40:50] <hober>
s/pretty/extremely/, yeah
- [22:41:20] <hober>
All of the other webbed versions of the FPs out there are some kinf of 1994-ish Fischer Price My-First-Website
- [22:41:50] <hober>
I thought it might be nice to have a rendition of them that both looked decent and was actually web-usable (linking into them at a per-paragraph level, etc.)
- [22:42:53] <kingryan>
is that a standard numbering, or did you make the scheme up?
- [22:43:19] <hober>
you mean, 1-85?
- [22:43:23] <hober>
That's the standard numbering
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- [22:43:37] <hober>
or do you mean the per-paragaph ids?
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- [22:43:42] <hober>
Those I made up
- [22:44:01] <kingryan>
coffee time, brb
- [22:44:14] <hober>
Though in some cases (the constitution on there), they're derived from the standard way of talking about clauses (article 1, section 8, clause 4 is #a1s8c4)
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- [23:33:07] <kingryan>
ok, back now
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