IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-13
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cdevroe is Colin D. Devroe, blogs at http://cdevroe.com/, lives in Clifford, PA, USA and helps run the 9rules Network
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edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=7359 * Vant * (+35) People on irc -
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[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=7360 * IwaiMasaharu * (+38) People on irc - join iwaim
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[[irc-ja]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/irc-ja * IwaiMasaharu * (+3548) english: 02:12, 13 Jul 2006
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[[irc-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-ja&diff=0&oldid=7361 * IwaiMasaharu * (-1928) People on irc - メンバー リストは英語版を参照するようにした
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[[irc-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-ja&diff=0&oldid=7362 * IwaiMasaharu * (+130) IRCにいる人々 - 日本語が通じる人のリストを追加
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[[User:IwaiMasaharu]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IwaiMasaharu&diff=0&oldid=7363 * IwaiMasaharu * (+121) 日本語版ローカルルール(私家版) - 言語コードとページ名
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[[Main Page-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=7364 * Vant * (+270)
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[[irc-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-ja&diff=0&oldid=7365 * Vant * (+21)
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[Main Page-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=7366 * IwaiMasaharu * (+1) 仕様 - fix typo
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=7367 * PriitLaes * (+41) People on irc -
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[[zen-garden]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden&diff=0&oldid=7368 * PriitLaes * (+57) Open questions -
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- [07:11:54] <plaes>
how "ready" is the hListing microformat? ;)
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boneill is Ben O'Neill, a 3rd year Software Engineering student - http://www.benedictoneill.com/
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[[zen-garden]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden&diff=0&oldid=7369 * Phae * (+185) Updating information
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- [07:58:42] <McNulty>
Are there any microformats with UPC elements in them?
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- [08:12:10] <jibot>
trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
- [08:19:29] <plaes>
I don't see any mention on Subversion on the website or the wiki :(
- [08:25:53] <McNulty>
paes - are you interested in the hListing format then
- [08:26:05] <McNulty>
I was looking at it yesterday for possible use on one of our sites
- [08:29:22] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=7370 * JamArmstrong * (+3) Examples in the wild -
- [08:30:59] <plaes>
McNulty: yeah... I'm currently working on small classified ads website..
- [08:31:19] <McNulty>
I don't know how 'ready' you want it to be...
- [08:31:42] <plaes>
well, I just wanted to see, if there was something out there.. ;)
- [08:31:47] <McNulty>
it's only a proposal at the moment
- [08:32:00] <McNulty>
but if you want to mark up your pages semantically it's a good guide
- [08:32:24] <McNulty>
according to the wiki, http://placenamehere.com/temp/extractui.jpg
- [08:32:47] <McNulty>
er, according to the wiki www.edeio.com is using it
- [08:32:51] <plaes>
ok, but the problem is that the ads won't be as classified as craigslist or other...
- [08:33:10] <plaes>
yeah.. checked it...
- [08:33:24] <McNulty>
It'd be probably pretty useful to have someone implement it and report back about potential issues!
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drewinthehead is Drew McLellan - watch him, he's tricky.
- [09:41:08] <drewinthehead>
mornin' all
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morning
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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[[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7371 * Cdcd * (+47716)
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[[Talk:Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7372 * Chucker * (-47716) Removing spam
- [11:07:51] <chucker_>
might wanna ban Cdcd, seeing as their only contribution (so far) has been a huge chunk of spam -> http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=7372
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7373 * Chucker * (-1) Exploratory discussions - Typo fix
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[[Main Page-de]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-de * Chucker * (+10712) Initial German main page
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[[Main Page-de]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-de&diff=0&oldid=7374 * Chucker * (+7) Erkundende Diskussionen - couple of minor oversights
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- [12:47:40] <trovster>
drewinthehead: Yo yo, your n-optimisation is using PHP5, right?
- [12:48:10] <drewinthehead>
i don't think there's anything specific to PHP5
- [12:48:15] <drewinthehead>
should be ok on 4
- [12:48:36] <trovster>
OK, that's sweet. Fancy showing the source.
- [12:48:40] <drewinthehead>
hKit is dependant on PHP5 for the XML stuff
- [12:48:53] <drewinthehead>
can do .. need to tidy it up
- [12:49:07] <drewinthehead>
it's trivial stuff
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- [12:50:40] <trovster>
I'd like to integrate it in to this new site I'm writing
- [12:51:40] <drewinthehead>
just looking at it .. strip the 'public' and 'private' off the method and property names and it'll run in php4
- [12:52:04] <drewinthehead>
you on AIM?
- [12:52:23] <trovster>
Urm, I am... ish.
- [12:52:49] <drewinthehead>
ping me (same nickname) and i'll hook you up
- [12:52:54] <trovster>
Ace.
- [12:53:07] <trovster>
On msn?
- [12:53:39] <drewinthehead>
*shudder*
- [12:53:50] <drewinthehead>
nope
- [12:54:00] <drewinthehead>
or PM me your email address
- [12:57:39] <McNulty>
drewinthehead - could I take a look at that too?
- [13:02:08] <drewinthehead>
sure
- [13:05:44] <McNulty>
mail@ciaranmcnulty.com if that's ok. Thanks!
- [13:09:01] <drewinthehead>
sent, McNulty
- [13:11:21] <drewinthehead>
no promises that it'll work ;)
- [13:13:56] <drewinthehead>
i had 1000 downloads of hKit in the first 10 days of release, and not one person has ever contacted me to ask a question or complain that it doesn't work ... so i reckon approximately 0% have attempted to use it ;)
- [13:15:22] <mfbot>
[[introduction-de]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/introduction-de * Chucker * (+11988) initial translation
- [13:17:00] <McNulty>
drewinthehead - wow where did the list of prefixes come from?
- [13:17:37] * McNulty thinks that might come in handy
- [13:17:37] <drewinthehead>
British Airways i think ... (ssh!)
- [13:18:09] <drewinthehead>
the suffixes were gathered from various wikipedia articles
- [13:18:58] <boneill>
:)
- [13:22:05] <trovster>
I've downloaded hKit... but is part of the 0% :)
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- [13:26:40] <drewinthehead>
trovster, at least the volume of downloads shows that people are at least interested in this kind of project
- [13:26:49] <drewinthehead>
even if they don't have a use for it right now
- [13:27:28] <trovster>
Yeh, it's great that that many people are interested.
- [13:27:59] <trovster>
Wondering whether 'H R H' might be written as HRH, and <abbr>HRH</abbr> is appropriate
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- [13:32:57] <McNulty>
or H.R.H.
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- [13:41:36] <drewinthehead>
ask someone royal, i say
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Cdcd" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
- [13:45:14] <boneill>
HRH seems fine
- [13:45:18] <boneill>
royal.gov.uk uses HRH
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- [13:47:56] <trovster>
drewinthehead: Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_VARIABLE, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in k:\websites\create\_includes\scripts\guess.class.php4 on line 6
- [13:50:47] <drewinthehead>
gosh, that looks like fun
- [13:51:37] <drewinthehead>
ah, stick the 'var' keyword in front of those opening 3 variables
- [13:51:42] <drewinthehead>
damn php4
- [13:51:53] <trovster>
:D
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- [13:53:03] <drewinthehead>
i deleted the 'private' and forgot to add the 'var'
- [14:00:40] <trovster>
drewinthehead: What's up here -> Warning: Missing argument 1 for best_guess() in k:\websites\create\_includes\scripts\mf_best_guess.php on line 17
- [14:00:40] <trovster>
Array
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(
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[meta] => Array
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(
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[family-first] =>
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)
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[family-name] =>
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)
- [14:00:50] <trovster>
trevor morris
- [14:00:52] <trovster>
Warning: Missing argument 1 for best_guess() in k:\websites\create\_includes\scripts\mf_best_guess.php on line 17
- [14:00:55] <trovster>
Array
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(
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[meta] => Array
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(
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[family-first] =>
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)
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[family-name] =>
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)
- [14:01:11] <boneill>
:|
- [14:01:11] <trovster>
trevor morris
- [14:01:13] <trovster>
oh shit
- [14:01:15] <trovster>
http://paste.css-standards.org/1456 - damn paste :@
- [14:02:26] <drewinthehead>
don't call best_guess()
- [14:02:45] <drewinthehead>
you should only be calling output()
- [14:03:40] <drewinthehead>
$guess = new Guess('Paul McCartney'); $name = $guess->output();
- [14:04:11] <trovster>
Yeh, but I'm also interested in the array...
- [14:04:20] <drewinthehead>
that's a result of me hacking it around to work in php4
- [14:04:32] <drewinthehead>
you can't have the array - that's mine! mwhahaha
- [14:04:39] <trovster>
Note: As of PHP 5.0.0 the number of matched and replaced needles (search) will be returned in count which is passed by reference. Prior to PHP 5.0.0 this parameter is not available.
- [14:05:00] <trovster>
$n['family-name'] = str_replace(',', '', $n['family-name'], $count); - PHP4 doesn't have $count var.
- [14:05:00] <mfbot>
[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7375 * Tantek * (+63) linked to German translation of home page
- [14:06:56] <drewinthehead>
trovster, you'll need to fix that yourself then ... c'mon, i mean still on PHP4? ;)
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- [14:07:06] <jibot>
pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
- [14:08:48] <drewinthehead>
if you just want the array, it's stored in Guess->guess ... access it there rather than calling the private methods
- [14:11:13] <drewinthehead>
(sometimes it'll be a string - yay for weak typing)
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- [14:13:21] <trovster>
Why is print_r($microformat_name['guess']); empty, whereas print_r($microformat_name);
- [14:16:17] <drewinthehead>
$microformat_name->guess
- [14:16:31] <Atamido>
Does XML/HTML allow <element>content<attribute="value" /element>
- [14:16:36] <Atamido>
?
- [14:16:40] <drewinthehead>
your $microformat_name variable is an instance of the Guess object
- [14:17:14] <drewinthehead>
Atamido, no it doesn't.
- [14:17:39] <drewinthehead>
attributes are only allowed on the opening tag
- [14:18:32] <Atamido>
:(
- [14:20:34] <drewinthehead>
is there a reason you'd like to do that?
- [14:21:09] <qid>
Atamido: of course, that shouldn't be much of a problem, because you're using a library like libxml2, right?
- [14:21:58] <Atamido>
Nah, this is a simplicity thing for creating webpages via php.
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- [14:26:15] <drewinthehead>
anyone red/green colour-blind? http://blogxoxo.blogspot.com/ a whole blog about XOXO
- [14:27:06] <drewinthehead>
i think i'll follow that one via RSS.
- [14:27:11] <pnhChris>
:P
- [14:27:28] <trovster>
Whose got good MF blogs?
- [14:27:38] * trovster will add a Microformat tab to his netvibes page!
- [14:28:41] <pnhChris>
both drew and I occationally related things
- [14:30:49] <qid>
drewinthehead: dear god that is hideous
- [14:30:49] <pnhChris>
i don't know if i'd call mine good... but drew's is worth the read :P
- [14:30:59] <drewinthehead>
i subscribe to a Technorati feed for searches on the tag 'microformats' ... that turns up loads of good stuff
- [14:31:00] <drewinthehead>
rel-tag works, people :)
- [14:31:40] <pnhChris>
how are you tagging in txp drew? or aren't you?
- [14:32:16] <drewinthehead>
i'm using the clean urls, so the category pages make good tag pages. i output my category links with rel="tag"
- [14:32:33] <pnhChris>
ah.. so lots of categories
- [14:33:02] <drewinthehead>
not so many ... but i tend to drone on about the same things over and over
- [14:33:43] <pnhChris>
i installed tru_tags a few weeks ago.. seems to be working out ok
- [14:33:43] <trovster>
http://technorati.net/home.html hmm?
- [14:34:19] <pnhChris>
thing its missing (i think) is feeds
- [14:34:27] <drewinthehead>
the rel-tag addition is in SVN
- [14:34:37] <drewinthehead>
yes, TXP feeds suck
- [14:34:38] <Atamido>
Is there an XOXO script like this that only works on lists where the class "xoxo" is present? http://homepage.mac.com/ctholland/thelab/outlines/
- [14:34:42] <drewinthehead>
hAtom works though
- [14:34:57] <tantek>
trovster: http://technorati.com/blogs/microformats
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
- [14:35:52] <trovster>
http://www.technorati.com/tags/microformats is their an RSS for that?
- [14:35:58] <trovster>
doh'
- [14:36:01] <trovster>
http://feeds.technorati.com/feed/posts/tag/microformats :D
- [14:36:51] * trovster needs a 'Brit-pack' favicon.ico for his netvibes page
- [14:36:57] <pnhChris>
but yeah.. feeds aside it does the tagging pretty well
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- [14:37:23] <pnhChris>
http://placenamehere.com/tag/microformats/
- [14:37:27] <pnhChris>
etc.
- [14:37:54] <pnhChris>
(still haven't bothered to back-tag posts)
- [14:38:06] <drewinthehead>
that looks useful, pnhChris
- [14:38:10] <trovster>
My tags are terrible, I need to sort through 200+ posts for my new site
- [14:38:22] <drewinthehead>
is it linked from the rel-tag implementations page?
- [14:38:59] <pnhChris>
the plugin? dunno
- [14:40:14] <pnhChris>
here's the forum thread on it http://forum.textpattern.com/viewtopic.php?id=15084&p=1
- [14:42:13] <pnhChris>
wow.. the rel tag implementation list in the wiki is remarkably shot
- [14:42:16] <pnhChris>
short
- [14:44:38] <mfbot>
[[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=7376 * DrewMcLellan * (+200) Implementations - added tru_tags Textpattern plugin
- [14:45:01] <drewinthehead>
it's one point longer now :)
- [14:46:30] <pnhChris>
grr!
- [14:46:30] <pnhChris>
collision!
- [14:46:30] <pnhChris>
:P
- [14:46:30] <pnhChris>
that's what i get for previewing
- [14:47:06] <drewinthehead>
i think i'll give that plugin a go when i finally launch my redesign ... (Real Soon Now!)
- [14:48:28] <pnhChris>
hehe
- [14:48:28] <pnhChris>
yeah
- [14:48:32] <pnhChris>
figuring it out was something i wanted to do before i got that far
- [14:49:37] <pnhChris>
if you read the forum thread there are 1 or 2 line hacks to include the tags in feeds
- [14:50:21] <pnhChris>
but tag specific feeds, not sure about.. might just be a matter of specifying the right section.. but don't think its that easy
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- [14:50:40] <pnhChris>
cause the plugin kinda hijacks section for the /tag/ pages
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- [14:51:13] <pnhChris>
and does a different lookup there then normal pages / feeds do
- [14:54:43] <drewinthehead>
i need to look at hacking the comment form system to enable hCard lookup
- [14:56:03] <trovster>
To do what, exactly?
- [14:56:39] <drewinthehead>
collect the URL first, then fetch the users page and search it for hCards
- [14:57:23] <drewinthehead>
but i also need to build <address> detection into hKit, do it defaults to the right card
- [14:57:42] <pnhChris>
then it would probably be good for me to have a good hcard somewhere :P
- [14:58:20] <drewinthehead>
trovster: like i was attempting to do with this demo http://allinthehead.com/demo/hkit-signup/
- [14:59:06] <trovster>
Holy shit that's good!
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- [14:59:15] <trovster>
'profiles' found!
- [14:59:38] <trovster>
Damn, that's amazing.
- [14:59:48] <pnhChris>
question: what "url" do you use?
- [14:59:53] <trovster>
http://www.approveddesign.co.uk/about/contact/
- [15:00:07] <pnhChris>
... in the resulting public display
- [15:00:15] <drewinthehead>
that's just hKit with some *really* hacky javascript, trovster
- [15:00:35] <trovster>
oops, doesn't wipe the first-name, last-name if not present :s
- [15:00:43] <drewinthehead>
as i say, hacky
- [15:00:53] <trovster>
Pretty damn impressive though.
- [15:00:59] <drewinthehead>
it's just a proof of concept demo :)
- [15:02:29] <drewinthehead>
i guess you'd use the url from the hCard, pnhChris
- [15:03:15] * trovster is thoroughly impressed.
- [15:03:15] <pnhChris>
yeah.. that's what makes sense to me
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- [15:03:30] <pnhChris>
tantek isn't :P
- [15:03:36] <trovster>
heh
- [15:03:43] <trovster>
That makes me want to install PHP5, and play with hKit and tweak this up
- [15:04:19] <McNulty>
drewinthehead - hm so should I have my hCard on my home page...
- [15:04:34] <pnhChris>
no
- [15:04:47] <pnhChris>
not necessarily
- [15:04:57] <pnhChris>
which is what i was getting at
- [15:05:16] <pnhChris>
there's a "use this url to grab my profile/card"
- [15:05:22] <drewinthehead>
it's a whole new concept, so the UI issues need to be worked out
- [15:05:30] <pnhChris>
and then the display is the URL from that profile
- [15:05:40] <McNulty>
Maybe if there's no hCard you can check for @rel="author"
- [15:06:19] <McNulty>
huh, it says my email is [object Object] ;-)
- [15:06:33] <McNulty>
and didn't get my phone... now I'm paranoid my markup is wrong
- [15:06:47] <drewinthehead>
it's hacky ...
- [15:07:02] <McNulty>
Hm.
- [15:07:09] <drewinthehead>
it only works well with really basic hCards
- [15:07:21] <drewinthehead>
and there's still a few cases that confuse hKit below it
- [15:07:29] <McNulty>
If you checked pages for @rel="author" you could have all sorts of interesting favelets
- [15:07:35] <McNulty>
'email the author of this page'
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Anyone got good thoughts on marking up comments?
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
- [16:01:34] <McNulty>
trovster - you could argue that comments are analogous to blog comments, and use hAtom
- [16:01:49] <McNulty>
Certainly I've seen plenty of blogs that provide feeds for comments
- [16:01:51] <trovster>
That is, kinda, what i'm trying at the omment.
- [16:02:05] <trovster>
Yes, will provide feeds for the blog entries, too!
- [16:02:08] <trovster>
(a lot to do!)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [16:23:50] <pnhChris>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DClkE64nFDY
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- [16:59:31] <trovster>
drewinthehead: 'bout?
- [16:59:57] <drewinthehead>
only just ... about to leave the office
- [17:00:19] <trovster>
Ah, was just going to show this article with comments, microformats, see what you thunk
- [17:00:40] <drewinthehead>
i'll be back in a couple of hours :)
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- [17:00:56] <trovster>
ace
- [17:01:08] <drewinthehead>
ttfn ;)
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[[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=7377 * Brian * (+619) added Question about Non-english tooltips on @title values - itterate as needed
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- [18:03:59] <AdamCraven>
hiya fellers, can you digg this if you think it's worth one: http://digg.com/design/How_to_create_diagonal_lines_in_CSS
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [18:13:48] <trovster>
tantek: What should happen with multiple hatoms?
- [18:14:08] <tantek>
what we discussed before. use the SOURCE ability in Atom
- [18:14:28] <pnhChris>
theres a mail list message... if theres a fragment id the parser should just pick the one feed
- [18:14:42] <pnhChris>
otherwise i think it was source /combining
- [18:15:03] <pnhChris>
probably should make it into the wiki.. but i've gotta run in like 2 mins
- [18:17:01] <pnhChris>
the posts are somewhere in the june list archives
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- [18:17:12] <pnhChris>
but i must have deleted them from my mail reader
- [18:17:22] <pnhChris>
so i can't tell you which ones to look for
- [18:17:37] <trovster>
http://paste.css-standards.org/1458/view - this is what I'm playing with.
- [18:18:04] <trovster>
body.hatom -> .hfeed for the article, and hfeed for the comments
- [18:18:12] <pnhChris>
i put together a bunch of informal test cases at the time as well
- [18:19:24] <pnhChris>
and now i must go
- [18:19:31] <pnhChris>
sorry i couldn't dig em up
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back later tonight tho
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drewinthehead is Drew McLellan - watch him, he's tricky.
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
- [18:31:08] <trovster>
drewinthehead: http://paste.css-standards.org/1458/view
- [18:31:31] <drewinthehead>
ok ..
- [18:33:10] <drewinthehead>
what was the question?
- [18:33:47] <trovster>
[18:00:19] <trovster> Ah, was just going to show this article with comments, microformats, see what you thunk ;)
- [18:37:21] <drewinthehead>
erm, ok .. well i see lots of nice microformats ...?
- [18:38:23] <trovster>
Ace :D Gotta at rel="xfn" yet, but that's coming. Two hatom feeds, one for comments, one for the article (kinda pointless as only one article).. actually three feeds, one for the sidebar.
- [18:39:31] <drewinthehead>
i'm going to have a single-item feed on my site ... but it'll be the home page, so one item at a time, but always the newest, so that works
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- [18:40:00] <trovster>
Kinda irrelevant on a permalink, though?
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- [18:47:11] <drewinthehead>
maybe for subscribing, but it makes the data accessible with common tools, so not pointless
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- [19:15:05] <briansuda>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard has alot of information about hCards, we should go through and make sure it is all correct
- [19:16:53] <chucker_>
i only see one paragraph.
- [19:17:20] <briansuda>
there are several references throughout
- [19:17:33] <briansuda>
there are also stubs for hcard and hcalendar
- [19:18:46] <chucker_>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformats the usage of ASCII art in the examples is disconcerting ;)
- [19:20:34] <chucker_>
(it's not really a good example anyway. it would be better to show generic, non-microformat markup, then rewrite it into hCard-compliant markup, then show how it can be presented)
- [19:21:23] <bewest>
right, it's not about presentation
- [19:21:38] <tantek>
chucker_, perhaps you could write up a better example on the microformats wiki first
- [19:22:04] <tantek>
you could create a new section in hcard-examples for example. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples
- [19:22:17] <chucker_>
IIRC, that German S5 presentation someone showed here a few days ago depicted exactly that
- [19:22:20] <bewest>
the rendering example isn't even accurate
- [19:22:21] <tantek>
AFAIK, Wikipedia is not really for "new/original" content
- [19:22:29] <tantek>
it's more like a summary of stuff found elsewhere
- [19:23:00] <bewest>
yes, encyclopedias are generally a reflection of what is
- [19:23:08] <bewest>
not seminal sources
- [19:23:34] <chucker_>
right, this would be better suited for wikisource.org, not wikipedia.
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sexylicious figured we weren't sexy enough
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- [20:24:14] <bewest>
drewinthehead: are you sharing beer?
- [20:24:37] <drewinthehead>
can i fax you some?
- [20:25:36] <bewest>
hrmmm
- [20:25:49] <drewinthehead>
we should get a microformats party sponsored by a microbrewery
- [20:25:59] <chucker_>
hBeer
- [20:26:00] <bewest>
better wait until CoIP is in at least DRAFT
- [20:26:16] <bewest>
(Corporeal over IP)
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beerd.com (instead of corkd.com)
- [20:29:35] <bewest>
then we could have c2p (corporeal 2 physical)
- [20:29:55] <bewest>
beerd.com/c2p/<uri_to_beer>
- [20:31:00] <drewinthehead>
bewest: you need <action> in there somewhere
- [20:32:32] <bewest>
oh sorry :-)
- [20:33:42] <drewinthehead>
i found the perfect place for a uk microformats event: http://www.zerodegrees-microbrewery.co.uk/
- [20:34:08] <bewest>
tools.beerd.com/query/c2p/{<uri_to_beer>, <base64_encoded(gzip(beerdata))>}
- [20:35:39] <drewinthehead>
that's it, bewest
- [20:36:10] <drewinthehead>
btw, i implemented the 'help' action we talked about: http://tools.microformatic.dev/help/xhtml/best-guess/
- [20:36:19] <drewinthehead>
oops ... s/dev/com
- [20:36:44] <trovster>
drewinthehead: make one near the Midlands for the Multipack to attend.
- [20:38:02] <drewinthehead>
trovster: doesn't it get dark by noon up there? best stay down south.
- [20:39:03] <trovster>
Midlands = middle, not bloody norway!
- [20:39:50] <drewinthehead>
norway .. now you're talking!
- [20:40:22] <bewest>
drewinthehead: beautiful!
- [20:40:27] <trovster>
Seriously, it's really annoying that all the conferences/meetups are in London. Not very rest-of-the-uk friendly.
- [20:40:29] <bewest>
drewinthehead: do you have some mod_rewrite foo to do that?
- [20:40:58] <drewinthehead>
not much foo .. just really basic rewrites
- [20:42:24] <drewinthehead>
RewriteRule ^(.*)/(.*)/best-guess/(.*)$ _best-guess/best-guess.php?action=$1&format=$2&name=$3
- [20:42:34] <briansuda>
drewinthehead, i think i found a minor bug, http://tools.microformatic.com/query/xhtml/best-guess/Suda,+Dr+Brian+
- [20:42:46] <briansuda>
there is a trailing white-space, you should TRIM() everything
- [20:42:55] <briansuda>
that gives two 'additional-names'
- [20:43:25] <drewinthehead>
ah, you're right
- [20:43:37] <drewinthehead>
plus i'm failing to pick up the Dr.
- [20:43:42] <trovster>
Also, if there are two words defined, but one or both match a prefix or suffix, you should do what?
- [20:43:43] <bewest>
does trim() catch "\r"?
- [20:44:04] <briansuda>
depends on the implementation's definition of "white-space"
- [20:44:11] <drewinthehead>
i think so, bewest
- [20:44:14] <drewinthehead>
in php
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [20:46:41] <drewinthehead>
i'll get that fixed, briansuda
- [20:47:48] <briansuda>
i'm still getting an extra space
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- [20:48:32] <drewinthehead>
yup, not done it yet ;)
- [20:51:20] <briansuda>
oh, sorry i dead that as
- [20:51:30] <briansuda>
'i GOT that fixed..." sorry
- [20:51:36] <briansuda>
read that as...
- [21:03:23] <drewinthehead>
not attempted to fix the failure to spot the prefix in the surname-first scenario, but the spaces should be ok now
- [21:04:22] <drewinthehead>
trailing spaces, that is. it barfs on additional spaces between words. (grumble, grumble)
- [21:04:26] <briansuda>
that works for me
- [21:05:16] <briansuda>
you could use REGEX to crunch down any extra space
- [21:07:18] <drewinthehead>
yeah, i think that'd be the best way .. i'm over-complicating it a the moment and it's not working
- [21:07:28] <drewinthehead>
not that it's like me to over-complicate things ;)
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- [21:08:25] <briansuda>
if you think REGEX is the simple way, i'd hate to know what you ARE doing
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- [21:10:22] <drewinthehead>
i was attempting an array_filter() over the array of name parts, which were previously split on a single space
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- [21:18:06] <drewinthehead>
oh, mini-annoucement
- [21:18:30] <briansuda>
drum-roll.....
- [21:18:43] <drewinthehead>
as of august 1st, i start working for Yahoo!.
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- [21:19:17] <briansuda>
congrats!
- [21:19:22] <drewinthehead>
seems to be the fashionable thing to do these days
- [21:19:23] <briansuda>
Yahoo! US or UK?
- [21:19:28] <drewinthehead>
UK
- [21:20:34] <evanpro>
drewinthehead: congratulations
- [21:20:44] <evanpro>
Definitely an interesting place to be working nowadays
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- [21:21:10] <drewinthehead>
thanks evanpro
- [21:21:39] <drewinthehead>
fingers-crossed, i'll get the opportunity to be hacking on some microformats stuff.
- [21:21:41] <tantek>
yet another in the line of microformats acquisitions by Yahoo! ;)
- [21:22:08] <tantek>
congrats drew!
- [21:22:30] <drewinthehead>
thanks tantek
- [21:25:26] <KevinMarks>
they got Les too
- [21:25:33] <KevinMarks>
(Orchard)
- [21:27:50] <drewinthehead>
i think the overall plan is to employ everyone. then they can be sure that the employees understand the target audience 100%.
- [21:28:50] <KevinMarks>
that's what I heard at Google on monday
- [21:30:59] <evanpro>
ha ha
- [21:31:10] <evanpro>
bidding war for microformats developers!
- [21:32:01] <qid>
grats drew
- [21:32:25] <drewinthehead>
thanks qid
- [21:34:45] <AdamCraven>
so, who's going to write the first book on Microformats?
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- [21:37:04] <drewinthehead>
it'd need to be a microbook
- [21:38:13] <AdamCraven>
I think will become a bit of a tome
- [21:38:23] <AdamCraven>
lovely, green micro book
- [21:38:31] <AdamCraven>
sitting on the shelf
- [21:38:59] <drewinthehead>
and it'd need to be an electronic book for every time tantek makes up a new rule for implying N ;)
- [21:39:21] <qid>
just print out the wiki
- [21:39:38] <drewinthehead>
save the trees - just read the wiki
- [21:39:42] <AdamCraven>
yeah, but the idea of books is to put all the 'happy talk'
- [21:39:44] <AdamCraven>
in
- [21:39:45] <drewinthehead>
problem solved! :)
- [21:39:50] <AdamCraven>
make you feel loved, etc.
- [21:40:16] <tantek>
there are several books on microformats in progress...
- [21:40:35] <AdamCraven>
any ideas which publishers?
- [21:40:51] <tantek>
in fact, there is already an Appendix on microformats in a book
- [21:41:03] <AdamCraven>
oh yeah - which ones that?
- [21:41:29] <tantek>
Web Design in a Nutshell - 3rd Edition
- [21:41:35] <tantek>
emphasis on the 3rd edition
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- [21:42:38] <tantek>
it's a complete rewrite from the previous edition
- [21:42:52] <briansuda>
I think there are a few references in "Transcending CSS : The Fine Art of Web Design" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321410971/104-6173887-0753553?v=glance&n=283155)
- [21:43:08] <AdamCraven>
I notice you're recommending it. Is there any point buying it if I have 'web standards solutions , dom scripting'?
- [21:44:53] <tantek>
yes absolutely
- [21:45:10] <tantek>
it provides an excellent foundation for proper semantic XHTML+CSS coding
- [21:45:14] <KevinMarks>
http://books.google.com/books?q=microformats
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- [21:54:00] <AdamCraven>
I'll have ask santa for it
- [21:54:14] <AdamCraven>
my shelf it teaming with books
- [21:54:39] <AdamCraven>
it's like christmas every time that brown amazon box comes
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- [22:02:59] <bewest>
nifty
- [22:03:06] <bewest>
drewinthehead: congrats
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Please digg: http://digg.com/apple/kernel_task_and_what_s_happening_inside_Mac_OS_X
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- [22:41:26] <jakedahn>
Hello
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- [22:48:33] <qid>
jakedahn: hi
- [22:48:52] <jakedahn>
qid: howdy
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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