IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-13

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  14. [01:09:02] <jibot> cdevroe is Colin D. Devroe, blogs at http://cdevroe.com/, lives in Clifford, PA, USA and helps run the 9rules Network
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  39. [03:12:27] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  52. [06:10:33] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  55. [06:47:07] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  65. [07:11:54] <plaes> how "ready" is the hListing microformat? ;)
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  71. [07:20:37] <jibot> boneill is Ben O'Neill, a 3rd year Software Engineering student - http://www.benedictoneill.com/
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  73. [07:44:20] <mfbot> [[zen-garden]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden&diff=0&oldid=7369 * Phae * (+185) Updating information
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  77. [07:58:42] <McNulty> Are there any microformats with UPC elements in them?
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  79. [08:12:10] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  80. [08:19:29] <plaes> I don't see any mention on Subversion on the website or the wiki :(
  81. [08:25:53] <McNulty> paes - are you interested in the hListing format then
  82. [08:26:05] <McNulty> I was looking at it yesterday for possible use on one of our sites
  83. [08:29:22] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=7370 * JamArmstrong * (+3) Examples in the wild -
  84. [08:30:59] <plaes> McNulty: yeah... I'm currently working on small classified ads website..
  85. [08:31:19] <McNulty> I don't know how 'ready' you want it to be...
  86. [08:31:42] <plaes> well, I just wanted to see, if there was something out there.. ;)
  87. [08:31:47] <McNulty> it's only a proposal at the moment
  88. [08:32:00] <McNulty> but if you want to mark up your pages semantically it's a good guide
  89. [08:32:24] <McNulty> according to the wiki, http://placenamehere.com/temp/extractui.jpg
  90. [08:32:47] <McNulty> er, according to the wiki www.edeio.com is using it
  91. [08:32:51] <plaes> ok, but the problem is that the ads won't be as classified as craigslist or other...
  92. [08:33:10] <plaes> yeah.. checked it...
  93. [08:33:24] <McNulty> It'd be probably pretty useful to have someone implement it and report back about potential issues!
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  96. [09:12:28] <jibot> drewinthehead is Drew McLellan - watch him, he's tricky.
  97. [09:41:08] <drewinthehead> mornin' all
  98. [09:54:47] <boneill> morning
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  100. [10:31:27] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
  101. [10:53:42] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7371 * Cdcd * (+47716)
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  105. [11:03:34] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7372 * Chucker * (-47716) Removing spam
  106. [11:07:51] <chucker_> might wanna ban Cdcd, seeing as their only contribution (so far) has been a huge chunk of spam -> http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=7372
  107. [12:03:32] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7373 * Chucker * (-1) Exploratory discussions - Typo fix
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  112. [12:08:23] <mfbot> [[Main Page-de]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-de * Chucker * (+10712) Initial German main page
  113. [12:22:24] <mfbot> [[Main Page-de]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-de&diff=0&oldid=7374 * Chucker * (+7) Erkundende Diskussionen - couple of minor oversights
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  116. [12:47:40] <trovster> drewinthehead: Yo yo, your n-optimisation is using PHP5, right?
  117. [12:48:10] <drewinthehead> i don't think there's anything specific to PHP5
  118. [12:48:15] <drewinthehead> should be ok on 4
  119. [12:48:36] <trovster> OK, that's sweet. Fancy showing the source.
  120. [12:48:40] <drewinthehead> hKit is dependant on PHP5 for the XML stuff
  121. [12:48:53] <drewinthehead> can do .. need to tidy it up
  122. [12:49:07] <drewinthehead> it's trivial stuff
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  124. [12:50:40] <trovster> I'd like to integrate it in to this new site I'm writing
  125. [12:51:40] <drewinthehead> just looking at it .. strip the 'public' and 'private' off the method and property names and it'll run in php4
  126. [12:52:04] <drewinthehead> you on AIM?
  127. [12:52:23] <trovster> Urm, I am... ish.
  128. [12:52:49] <drewinthehead> ping me (same nickname) and i'll hook you up
  129. [12:52:54] <trovster> Ace.
  130. [12:53:07] <trovster> On msn?
  131. [12:53:39] <drewinthehead> *shudder*
  132. [12:53:50] <drewinthehead> nope
  133. [12:54:00] <drewinthehead> or PM me your email address
  134. [12:57:39] <McNulty> drewinthehead - could I take a look at that too?
  135. [13:02:08] <drewinthehead> sure
  136. [13:05:44] <McNulty> mail@ciaranmcnulty.com if that's ok. Thanks!
  137. [13:09:01] <drewinthehead> sent, McNulty
  138. [13:11:21] <drewinthehead> no promises that it'll work ;)
  139. [13:13:56] <drewinthehead> i had 1000 downloads of hKit in the first 10 days of release, and not one person has ever contacted me to ask a question or complain that it doesn't work ... so i reckon approximately 0% have attempted to use it ;)
  140. [13:15:22] <mfbot> [[introduction-de]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/introduction-de * Chucker * (+11988) initial translation
  141. [13:17:00] <McNulty> drewinthehead - wow where did the list of prefixes come from?
  142. [13:17:37] * McNulty thinks that might come in handy
  143. [13:17:37] <drewinthehead> British Airways i think ... (ssh!)
  144. [13:18:09] <drewinthehead> the suffixes were gathered from various wikipedia articles
  145. [13:18:58] <boneill> :)
  146. [13:22:05] <trovster> I've downloaded hKit... but is part of the 0% :)
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  149. [13:26:40] <drewinthehead> trovster, at least the volume of downloads shows that people are at least interested in this kind of project
  150. [13:26:49] <drewinthehead> even if they don't have a use for it right now
  151. [13:27:28] <trovster> Yeh, it's great that that many people are interested.
  152. [13:27:59] <trovster> Wondering whether 'H R H' might be written as HRH, and <abbr>HRH</abbr> is appropriate
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  154. [13:32:57] <McNulty> or H.R.H.
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  156. [13:41:36] <drewinthehead> ask someone royal, i say
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  158. [13:45:04] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Cdcd" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  159. [13:45:14] <boneill> HRH seems fine
  160. [13:45:18] <boneill> royal.gov.uk uses HRH
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  162. [13:47:56] <trovster> drewinthehead: Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_VARIABLE, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in k:\websites\create\_includes\scripts\guess.class.php4 on line 6
  163. [13:50:47] <drewinthehead> gosh, that looks like fun
  164. [13:51:37] <drewinthehead> ah, stick the 'var' keyword in front of those opening 3 variables
  165. [13:51:42] <drewinthehead> damn php4
  166. [13:51:53] <trovster> :D
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  168. [13:53:03] <drewinthehead> i deleted the 'private' and forgot to add the 'var'
  169. [14:00:40] <trovster> drewinthehead: What's up here -> Warning: Missing argument 1 for best_guess() in k:\websites\create\_includes\scripts\mf_best_guess.php on line 17
  170. [14:00:40] <trovster> Array
  171. [14:00:40] <trovster> (
  172. [14:00:40] <trovster> [meta] => Array
  173. [14:00:40] <trovster> (
  174. [14:00:42] <trovster> [family-first] =>
  175. [14:00:44] <trovster> )
  176. [14:00:46] <trovster> [family-name] =>
  177. [14:00:48] <trovster> )
  178. [14:00:50] <trovster> trevor morris
  179. [14:00:52] <trovster> Warning: Missing argument 1 for best_guess() in k:\websites\create\_includes\scripts\mf_best_guess.php on line 17
  180. [14:00:55] <trovster> Array
  181. [14:00:57] <trovster> (
  182. [14:00:59] <trovster> [meta] => Array
  183. [14:01:01] <trovster> (
  184. [14:01:03] <trovster> [family-first] =>
  185. [14:01:05] <trovster> )
  186. [14:01:07] <trovster> [family-name] =>
  187. [14:01:09] <trovster> )
  188. [14:01:11] <boneill> :|
  189. [14:01:11] <trovster> trevor morris
  190. [14:01:13] <trovster> oh shit
  191. [14:01:15] <trovster> http://paste.css-standards.org/1456 - damn paste :@
  192. [14:02:26] <drewinthehead> don't call best_guess()
  193. [14:02:45] <drewinthehead> you should only be calling output()
  194. [14:03:40] <drewinthehead> $guess = new Guess('Paul McCartney'); $name = $guess->output();
  195. [14:04:11] <trovster> Yeh, but I'm also interested in the array...
  196. [14:04:20] <drewinthehead> that's a result of me hacking it around to work in php4
  197. [14:04:32] <drewinthehead> you can't have the array - that's mine! mwhahaha
  198. [14:04:39] <trovster> Note: As of PHP 5.0.0 the number of matched and replaced needles (search) will be returned in count which is passed by reference. Prior to PHP 5.0.0 this parameter is not available.
  199. [14:05:00] <trovster> $n['family-name'] = str_replace(',', '', $n['family-name'], $count); - PHP4 doesn't have $count var.
  200. [14:05:00] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7375 * Tantek * (+63) linked to German translation of home page
  201. [14:06:56] <drewinthehead> trovster, you'll need to fix that yourself then ... c'mon, i mean still on PHP4? ;)
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  203. [14:07:06] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  204. [14:08:48] <drewinthehead> if you just want the array, it's stored in Guess->guess ... access it there rather than calling the private methods
  205. [14:11:13] <drewinthehead> (sometimes it'll be a string - yay for weak typing)
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  208. [14:13:21] <trovster> Why is print_r($microformat_name['guess']); empty, whereas print_r($microformat_name);
  209. [14:16:17] <drewinthehead> $microformat_name->guess
  210. [14:16:31] <Atamido> Does XML/HTML allow <element>content<attribute="value" /element>
  211. [14:16:36] <Atamido> ?
  212. [14:16:40] <drewinthehead> your $microformat_name variable is an instance of the Guess object
  213. [14:17:14] <drewinthehead> Atamido, no it doesn't.
  214. [14:17:39] <drewinthehead> attributes are only allowed on the opening tag
  215. [14:18:32] <Atamido> :(
  216. [14:20:34] <drewinthehead> is there a reason you'd like to do that?
  217. [14:21:09] <qid> Atamido: of course, that shouldn't be much of a problem, because you're using a library like libxml2, right?
  218. [14:21:58] <Atamido> Nah, this is a simplicity thing for creating webpages via php.
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  220. [14:26:15] <drewinthehead> anyone red/green colour-blind? http://blogxoxo.blogspot.com/ a whole blog about XOXO
  221. [14:27:06] <drewinthehead> i think i'll follow that one via RSS.
  222. [14:27:11] <pnhChris> :P
  223. [14:27:28] <trovster> Whose got good MF blogs?
  224. [14:27:38] * trovster will add a Microformat tab to his netvibes page!
  225. [14:28:41] <pnhChris> both drew and I occationally related things
  226. [14:30:49] <qid> drewinthehead: dear god that is hideous
  227. [14:30:49] <pnhChris> i don't know if i'd call mine good... but drew's is worth the read :P
  228. [14:30:59] <drewinthehead> i subscribe to a Technorati feed for searches on the tag 'microformats' ... that turns up loads of good stuff
  229. [14:31:00] <drewinthehead> rel-tag works, people :)
  230. [14:31:40] <pnhChris> how are you tagging in txp drew? or aren't you?
  231. [14:32:16] <drewinthehead> i'm using the clean urls, so the category pages make good tag pages. i output my category links with rel="tag"
  232. [14:32:33] <pnhChris> ah.. so lots of categories
  233. [14:33:02] <drewinthehead> not so many ... but i tend to drone on about the same things over and over
  234. [14:33:43] <pnhChris> i installed tru_tags a few weeks ago.. seems to be working out ok
  235. [14:33:43] <trovster> http://technorati.net/home.html hmm?
  236. [14:34:19] <pnhChris> thing its missing (i think) is feeds
  237. [14:34:27] <drewinthehead> the rel-tag addition is in SVN
  238. [14:34:37] <drewinthehead> yes, TXP feeds suck
  239. [14:34:38] <Atamido> Is there an XOXO script like this that only works on lists where the class "xoxo" is present? http://homepage.mac.com/ctholland/thelab/outlines/
  240. [14:34:42] <drewinthehead> hAtom works though
  241. [14:34:57] <tantek> trovster: http://technorati.com/blogs/microformats
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  243. [14:35:23] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
  244. [14:35:52] <trovster> http://www.technorati.com/tags/microformats is their an RSS for that?
  245. [14:35:58] <trovster> doh'
  246. [14:36:01] <trovster> http://feeds.technorati.com/feed/posts/tag/microformats :D
  247. [14:36:51] * trovster needs a 'Brit-pack' favicon.ico for his netvibes page
  248. [14:36:57] <pnhChris> but yeah.. feeds aside it does the tagging pretty well
  249. [14:37:17] * drewinthehead thinks netvibes sounds like an online 'adult' shop
  250. [14:37:23] <pnhChris> http://placenamehere.com/tag/microformats/
  251. [14:37:27] <pnhChris> etc.
  252. [14:37:54] <pnhChris> (still haven't bothered to back-tag posts)
  253. [14:38:06] <drewinthehead> that looks useful, pnhChris
  254. [14:38:10] <trovster> My tags are terrible, I need to sort through 200+ posts for my new site
  255. [14:38:22] <drewinthehead> is it linked from the rel-tag implementations page?
  256. [14:38:59] <pnhChris> the plugin? dunno
  257. [14:40:14] <pnhChris> here's the forum thread on it http://forum.textpattern.com/viewtopic.php?id=15084&p=1
  258. [14:42:13] <pnhChris> wow.. the rel tag implementation list in the wiki is remarkably shot
  259. [14:42:16] <pnhChris> short
  260. [14:44:38] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=7376 * DrewMcLellan * (+200) Implementations - added tru_tags Textpattern plugin
  261. [14:45:01] <drewinthehead> it's one point longer now :)
  262. [14:46:30] <pnhChris> grr!
  263. [14:46:30] <pnhChris> collision!
  264. [14:46:30] <pnhChris> :P
  265. [14:46:30] <pnhChris> that's what i get for previewing
  266. [14:47:06] <drewinthehead> i think i'll give that plugin a go when i finally launch my redesign ... (Real Soon Now!)
  267. [14:48:28] <pnhChris> hehe
  268. [14:48:28] <pnhChris> yeah
  269. [14:48:32] <pnhChris> figuring it out was something i wanted to do before i got that far
  270. [14:49:37] <pnhChris> if you read the forum thread there are 1 or 2 line hacks to include the tags in feeds
  271. [14:50:21] <pnhChris> but tag specific feeds, not sure about.. might just be a matter of specifying the right section.. but don't think its that easy
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  273. [14:50:40] <pnhChris> cause the plugin kinda hijacks section for the /tag/ pages
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  275. [14:51:13] <pnhChris> and does a different lookup there then normal pages / feeds do
  276. [14:54:43] <drewinthehead> i need to look at hacking the comment form system to enable hCard lookup
  277. [14:56:03] <trovster> To do what, exactly?
  278. [14:56:39] <drewinthehead> collect the URL first, then fetch the users page and search it for hCards
  279. [14:57:23] <drewinthehead> but i also need to build <address> detection into hKit, do it defaults to the right card
  280. [14:57:42] <pnhChris> then it would probably be good for me to have a good hcard somewhere :P
  281. [14:58:20] <drewinthehead> trovster: like i was attempting to do with this demo http://allinthehead.com/demo/hkit-signup/
  282. [14:59:06] <trovster> Holy shit that's good!
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  284. [14:59:15] <trovster> 'profiles' found!
  285. [14:59:38] <trovster> Damn, that's amazing.
  286. [14:59:48] <pnhChris> question: what "url" do you use?
  287. [14:59:53] <trovster> http://www.approveddesign.co.uk/about/contact/
  288. [15:00:07] <pnhChris> ... in the resulting public display
  289. [15:00:15] <drewinthehead> that's just hKit with some *really* hacky javascript, trovster
  290. [15:00:35] <trovster> oops, doesn't wipe the first-name, last-name if not present :s
  291. [15:00:43] <drewinthehead> as i say, hacky
  292. [15:00:53] <trovster> Pretty damn impressive though.
  293. [15:00:59] <drewinthehead> it's just a proof of concept demo :)
  294. [15:02:29] <drewinthehead> i guess you'd use the url from the hCard, pnhChris
  295. [15:03:15] * trovster is thoroughly impressed.
  296. [15:03:15] <pnhChris> yeah.. that's what makes sense to me
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  298. [15:03:30] <pnhChris> tantek isn't :P
  299. [15:03:36] <trovster> heh
  300. [15:03:43] <trovster> That makes me want to install PHP5, and play with hKit and tweak this up
  301. [15:04:19] <McNulty> drewinthehead - hm so should I have my hCard on my home page...
  302. [15:04:34] <pnhChris> no
  303. [15:04:47] <pnhChris> not necessarily
  304. [15:04:57] <pnhChris> which is what i was getting at
  305. [15:05:16] <pnhChris> there's a "use this url to grab my profile/card"
  306. [15:05:22] <drewinthehead> it's a whole new concept, so the UI issues need to be worked out
  307. [15:05:30] <pnhChris> and then the display is the URL from that profile
  308. [15:05:40] <McNulty> Maybe if there's no hCard you can check for @rel="author"
  309. [15:06:19] <McNulty> huh, it says my email is [object Object] ;-)
  310. [15:06:33] <McNulty> and didn't get my phone... now I'm paranoid my markup is wrong
  311. [15:06:47] <drewinthehead> it's hacky ...
  312. [15:07:02] <McNulty> Hm.
  313. [15:07:09] <drewinthehead> it only works well with really basic hCards
  314. [15:07:21] <drewinthehead> and there's still a few cases that confuse hKit below it
  315. [15:07:29] <McNulty> If you checked pages for @rel="author" you could have all sorts of interesting favelets
  316. [15:07:35] <McNulty> 'email the author of this page'
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  324. [15:52:43] <trovster> Anyone got good thoughts on marking up comments?
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  326. [15:54:45] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
  327. [16:01:34] <McNulty> trovster - you could argue that comments are analogous to blog comments, and use hAtom
  328. [16:01:49] <McNulty> Certainly I've seen plenty of blogs that provide feeds for comments
  329. [16:01:51] <trovster> That is, kinda, what i'm trying at the omment.
  330. [16:02:05] <trovster> Yes, will provide feeds for the blog entries, too!
  331. [16:02:08] <trovster> (a lot to do!)
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  333. [16:07:12] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  337. [16:23:50] <pnhChris> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DClkE64nFDY
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  343. [16:59:31] <trovster> drewinthehead: 'bout?
  344. [16:59:57] <drewinthehead> only just ... about to leave the office
  345. [17:00:19] <trovster> Ah, was just going to show this article with comments, microformats, see what you thunk
  346. [17:00:40] <drewinthehead> i'll be back in a couple of hours :)
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  348. [17:00:56] <trovster> ace
  349. [17:01:08] <drewinthehead> ttfn ;)
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  355. [17:23:38] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=7377 * Brian * (+619) added Question about Non-english tooltips on @title values - itterate as needed
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  359. [18:03:59] <AdamCraven> hiya fellers, can you digg this if you think it's worth one: http://digg.com/design/How_to_create_diagonal_lines_in_CSS
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  361. [18:04:02] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  364. [18:13:48] <trovster> tantek: What should happen with multiple hatoms?
  365. [18:14:08] <tantek> what we discussed before. use the SOURCE ability in Atom
  366. [18:14:28] <pnhChris> theres a mail list message... if theres a fragment id the parser should just pick the one feed
  367. [18:14:42] <pnhChris> otherwise i think it was source /combining
  368. [18:15:03] <pnhChris> probably should make it into the wiki.. but i've gotta run in like 2 mins
  369. [18:17:01] <pnhChris> the posts are somewhere in the june list archives
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  371. [18:17:12] <pnhChris> but i must have deleted them from my mail reader
  372. [18:17:22] <pnhChris> so i can't tell you which ones to look for
  373. [18:17:37] <trovster> http://paste.css-standards.org/1458/view - this is what I'm playing with.
  374. [18:18:04] <trovster> body.hatom -> .hfeed for the article, and hfeed for the comments
  375. [18:18:12] <pnhChris> i put together a bunch of informal test cases at the time as well
  376. [18:19:24] <pnhChris> and now i must go
  377. [18:19:31] <pnhChris> sorry i couldn't dig em up
  378. [18:19:36] <pnhChris> back later tonight tho
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  381. [18:22:21] <jibot> Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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  383. [18:26:01] <jibot> drewinthehead is Drew McLellan - watch him, he's tricky.
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  389. [18:31:08] <trovster> drewinthehead: http://paste.css-standards.org/1458/view
  390. [18:31:31] <drewinthehead> ok ..
  391. [18:33:10] <drewinthehead> what was the question?
  392. [18:33:47] <trovster> [18:00:19] <trovster> Ah, was just going to show this article with comments, microformats, see what you thunk ;)
  393. [18:37:21] <drewinthehead> erm, ok .. well i see lots of nice microformats ...?
  394. [18:38:23] <trovster> Ace :D Gotta at rel="xfn" yet, but that's coming. Two hatom feeds, one for comments, one for the article (kinda pointless as only one article).. actually three feeds, one for the sidebar.
  395. [18:39:31] <drewinthehead> i'm going to have a single-item feed on my site ... but it'll be the home page, so one item at a time, but always the newest, so that works
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  397. [18:40:00] <trovster> Kinda irrelevant on a permalink, though?
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  400. [18:47:11] <drewinthehead> maybe for subscribing, but it makes the data accessible with common tools, so not pointless
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  405. [19:15:05] <briansuda> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard has alot of information about hCards, we should go through and make sure it is all correct
  406. [19:16:53] <chucker_> i only see one paragraph.
  407. [19:17:20] <briansuda> there are several references throughout
  408. [19:17:33] <briansuda> there are also stubs for hcard and hcalendar
  409. [19:18:46] <chucker_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformats the usage of ASCII art in the examples is disconcerting ;)
  410. [19:20:34] <chucker_> (it's not really a good example anyway. it would be better to show generic, non-microformat markup, then rewrite it into hCard-compliant markup, then show how it can be presented)
  411. [19:21:23] <bewest> right, it's not about presentation
  412. [19:21:38] <tantek> chucker_, perhaps you could write up a better example on the microformats wiki first
  413. [19:22:04] <tantek> you could create a new section in hcard-examples for example. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples
  414. [19:22:17] <chucker_> IIRC, that German S5 presentation someone showed here a few days ago depicted exactly that
  415. [19:22:20] <bewest> the rendering example isn't even accurate
  416. [19:22:21] <tantek> AFAIK, Wikipedia is not really for "new/original" content
  417. [19:22:29] <tantek> it's more like a summary of stuff found elsewhere
  418. [19:23:00] <bewest> yes, encyclopedias are generally a reflection of what is
  419. [19:23:08] <bewest> not seminal sources
  420. [19:23:34] <chucker_> right, this would be better suited for wikisource.org, not wikipedia.
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  426. [19:33:15] <drewinthehead> sexylicious figured we weren't sexy enough
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  428. [19:33:59] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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  434. [20:24:02] * drewinthehead has beer. be afraid.
  435. [20:24:14] <bewest> drewinthehead: are you sharing beer?
  436. [20:24:37] <drewinthehead> can i fax you some?
  437. [20:25:36] <bewest> hrmmm
  438. [20:25:49] <drewinthehead> we should get a microformats party sponsored by a microbrewery
  439. [20:25:59] <chucker_> hBeer
  440. [20:26:00] <bewest> better wait until CoIP is in at least DRAFT
  441. [20:26:16] <bewest> (Corporeal over IP)
  442. [20:27:48] <briansuda> beerd.com (instead of corkd.com)
  443. [20:29:35] <bewest> then we could have c2p (corporeal 2 physical)
  444. [20:29:55] <bewest> beerd.com/c2p/<uri_to_beer>
  445. [20:31:00] <drewinthehead> bewest: you need <action> in there somewhere
  446. [20:32:32] <bewest> oh sorry :-)
  447. [20:33:42] <drewinthehead> i found the perfect place for a uk microformats event: http://www.zerodegrees-microbrewery.co.uk/
  448. [20:34:08] <bewest> tools.beerd.com/query/c2p/{<uri_to_beer>, <base64_encoded(gzip(beerdata))>}
  449. [20:35:39] <drewinthehead> that's it, bewest
  450. [20:36:10] <drewinthehead> btw, i implemented the 'help' action we talked about: http://tools.microformatic.dev/help/xhtml/best-guess/
  451. [20:36:19] <drewinthehead> oops ... s/dev/com
  452. [20:36:44] <trovster> drewinthehead: make one near the Midlands for the Multipack to attend.
  453. [20:38:02] <drewinthehead> trovster: doesn't it get dark by noon up there? best stay down south.
  454. [20:39:03] <trovster> Midlands = middle, not bloody norway!
  455. [20:39:50] <drewinthehead> norway .. now you're talking!
  456. [20:40:22] <bewest> drewinthehead: beautiful!
  457. [20:40:27] <trovster> Seriously, it's really annoying that all the conferences/meetups are in London. Not very rest-of-the-uk friendly.
  458. [20:40:29] <bewest> drewinthehead: do you have some mod_rewrite foo to do that?
  459. [20:40:58] <drewinthehead> not much foo .. just really basic rewrites
  460. [20:42:24] <drewinthehead> RewriteRule ^(.*)/(.*)/best-guess/(.*)$ _best-guess/best-guess.php?action=$1&format=$2&name=$3
  461. [20:42:34] <briansuda> drewinthehead, i think i found a minor bug, http://tools.microformatic.com/query/xhtml/best-guess/Suda,+Dr+Brian+
  462. [20:42:46] <briansuda> there is a trailing white-space, you should TRIM() everything
  463. [20:42:55] <briansuda> that gives two 'additional-names'
  464. [20:43:25] <drewinthehead> ah, you're right
  465. [20:43:37] <drewinthehead> plus i'm failing to pick up the Dr.
  466. [20:43:42] <trovster> Also, if there are two words defined, but one or both match a prefix or suffix, you should do what?
  467. [20:43:43] <bewest> does trim() catch "\r"?
  468. [20:44:04] <briansuda> depends on the implementation's definition of "white-space"
  469. [20:44:11] <drewinthehead> i think so, bewest
  470. [20:44:14] <drewinthehead> in php
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  472. [20:44:20] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  474. [20:46:41] <drewinthehead> i'll get that fixed, briansuda
  475. [20:47:48] <briansuda> i'm still getting an extra space
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  477. [20:48:32] <drewinthehead> yup, not done it yet ;)
  478. [20:51:20] <briansuda> oh, sorry i dead that as
  479. [20:51:30] <briansuda> 'i GOT that fixed..." sorry
  480. [20:51:36] <briansuda> read that as...
  481. [21:03:23] <drewinthehead> not attempted to fix the failure to spot the prefix in the surname-first scenario, but the spaces should be ok now
  482. [21:04:22] <drewinthehead> trailing spaces, that is. it barfs on additional spaces between words. (grumble, grumble)
  483. [21:04:26] <briansuda> that works for me
  484. [21:05:16] <briansuda> you could use REGEX to crunch down any extra space
  485. [21:07:18] <drewinthehead> yeah, i think that'd be the best way .. i'm over-complicating it a the moment and it's not working
  486. [21:07:28] <drewinthehead> not that it's like me to over-complicate things ;)
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  488. [21:08:25] <briansuda> if you think REGEX is the simple way, i'd hate to know what you ARE doing
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  490. [21:10:22] <drewinthehead> i was attempting an array_filter() over the array of name parts, which were previously split on a single space
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  492. [21:18:06] <drewinthehead> oh, mini-annoucement
  493. [21:18:30] <briansuda> drum-roll.....
  494. [21:18:43] <drewinthehead> as of august 1st, i start working for Yahoo!.
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  496. [21:19:17] <briansuda> congrats!
  497. [21:19:22] <drewinthehead> seems to be the fashionable thing to do these days
  498. [21:19:23] <briansuda> Yahoo! US or UK?
  499. [21:19:28] <drewinthehead> UK
  500. [21:20:34] <evanpro> drewinthehead: congratulations
  501. [21:20:44] <evanpro> Definitely an interesting place to be working nowadays
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  503. [21:21:10] <drewinthehead> thanks evanpro
  504. [21:21:39] <drewinthehead> fingers-crossed, i'll get the opportunity to be hacking on some microformats stuff.
  505. [21:21:41] <tantek> yet another in the line of microformats acquisitions by Yahoo! ;)
  506. [21:22:08] <tantek> congrats drew!
  507. [21:22:30] <drewinthehead> thanks tantek
  508. [21:25:26] <KevinMarks> they got Les too
  509. [21:25:33] <KevinMarks> (Orchard)
  510. [21:27:50] <drewinthehead> i think the overall plan is to employ everyone. then they can be sure that the employees understand the target audience 100%.
  511. [21:28:50] <KevinMarks> that's what I heard at Google on monday
  512. [21:30:59] <evanpro> ha ha
  513. [21:31:10] <evanpro> bidding war for microformats developers!
  514. [21:32:01] <qid> grats drew
  515. [21:32:25] <drewinthehead> thanks qid
  516. [21:34:45] <AdamCraven> so, who's going to write the first book on Microformats?
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  518. [21:37:04] <drewinthehead> it'd need to be a microbook
  519. [21:38:13] <AdamCraven> I think will become a bit of a tome
  520. [21:38:23] <AdamCraven> lovely, green micro book
  521. [21:38:31] <AdamCraven> sitting on the shelf
  522. [21:38:59] <drewinthehead> and it'd need to be an electronic book for every time tantek makes up a new rule for implying N ;)
  523. [21:39:21] <qid> just print out the wiki
  524. [21:39:38] <drewinthehead> save the trees - just read the wiki
  525. [21:39:42] <AdamCraven> yeah, but the idea of books is to put all the 'happy talk'
  526. [21:39:44] <AdamCraven> in
  527. [21:39:45] <drewinthehead> problem solved! :)
  528. [21:39:50] <AdamCraven> make you feel loved, etc.
  529. [21:40:16] <tantek> there are several books on microformats in progress...
  530. [21:40:35] <AdamCraven> any ideas which publishers?
  531. [21:40:51] <tantek> in fact, there is already an Appendix on microformats in a book
  532. [21:41:03] <AdamCraven> oh yeah - which ones that?
  533. [21:41:29] <tantek> Web Design in a Nutshell - 3rd Edition
  534. [21:41:35] <tantek> emphasis on the 3rd edition
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  536. [21:42:38] <tantek> it's a complete rewrite from the previous edition
  537. [21:42:52] <briansuda> I think there are a few references in "Transcending CSS : The Fine Art of Web Design" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321410971/104-6173887-0753553?v=glance&n=283155)
  538. [21:43:08] <AdamCraven> I notice you're recommending it. Is there any point buying it if I have 'web standards solutions , dom scripting'?
  539. [21:44:53] <tantek> yes absolutely
  540. [21:45:10] <tantek> it provides an excellent foundation for proper semantic XHTML+CSS coding
  541. [21:45:14] <KevinMarks> http://books.google.com/books?q=microformats
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  544. [21:54:00] <AdamCraven> I'll have ask santa for it
  545. [21:54:14] <AdamCraven> my shelf it teaming with books
  546. [21:54:39] <AdamCraven> it's like christmas every time that brown amazon box comes
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  548. [22:02:59] <bewest> nifty
  549. [22:03:06] <bewest> drewinthehead: congrats
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  558. [22:41:09] <jakedahn> Please digg: http://digg.com/apple/kernel_task_and_what_s_happening_inside_Mac_OS_X
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  560. [22:41:26] <jakedahn> Hello
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  563. [22:48:33] <qid> jakedahn: hi
  564. [22:48:52] <jakedahn> qid: howdy
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  572. [23:16:24] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  575. [23:17:52] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  581. [23:37:25] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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