IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-14

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  12. [01:20:50] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  21. [01:42:18] <mfbot> [[Main Page-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=7378 * IwaiMasaharu * (+65) sync: english: 14:04, 13 Jul 2006
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  23. [01:43:43] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  28. [01:48:34] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  31. [01:49:59] <mfbot> [[Main Page-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=7379 * IwaiMasaharu * (+12) 他言語でのmicroformats wiki - 「言語」の翻訳
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  34. [02:09:36] <mfbot> [[introduction-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction-ja&diff=0&oldid=7380 * IwaiMasaharu * (-12) 目次の位置を修正
  35. [02:10:42] <mfbot> [[introduction-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction-ja&diff=0&oldid=7381 * IwaiMasaharu * (+0) 目次の位置を更に修正
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  43. [02:33:15] <mfbot> [[introduction-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction-ja&diff=0&oldid=7384 * IwaiMasaharu * (+1) Microformatsとは? - わかりやすい日本語に直した
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  116. [02:46:54] <factoryjoe> has there been any work on microformats for groups?
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  118. [02:52:47] <mfbot> [[group-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/group-brainstorming * Chris Messina * (+363)
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  121. [02:57:52] <jibot> _fil_ is co-author of SPIP (www.spip.net) and works on implementing microformats in it
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  132. [03:29:39] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  134. [03:30:53] <pnhChris> http://placenamehere.com/mf/nnwextract/
  135. [03:34:39] <briansuda> very nice, i'll certainly play with this and give you some feedback as needed!
  136. [03:41:12] <briansuda> Ah, i don't see the Scripts icon in the menu, i am assuming this is NOT for NetNewsWire Lite?
  137. [03:45:01] <pnhChris> ah
  138. [03:45:04] <pnhChris> maybe not
  139. [03:45:34] <pnhChris> i should probably be explicit about that
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  143. [03:48:32] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  148. [03:50:22] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  150. [03:50:25] <mfbot> [[group-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=group-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7385 * Josh * (+16) Authors -
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  155. [03:55:14] <mfbot> [[group-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=group-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7389 * Josh * (-1) Attention Brainstorming -
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  158. [03:56:06] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=7391 * ChrisCasciano * (+232) Implementations -
  159. [03:57:17] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=7392 * ChrisCasciano * (+232) Aggregators -
  160. [03:57:23] <mfbot> [[User:IwaiMasaharu]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IwaiMasaharu&diff=0&oldid=7393 * IwaiMasaharu * (+107)
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  170. [04:00:47] <mfbot> [[User:IwaiMasaharu/guidance-of-translation-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IwaiMasaharu/guidance-of-translation-ja&diff=0&oldid=7396 * IwaiMasaharu * (+17) 新規文書 -
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  176. [04:03:10] <pnhChris> (carry over from last nights applescript conversation)
  177. [04:04:54] <mfbot> [[group-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=group-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7398 * Tantek * (+577) added thoughts on what is the problem
  178. [04:07:01] <mfbot> [[group-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=group-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7399 * Josh * (+25) Group Brainstorming -
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  222. [07:52:53] <jibot> drewinthehead is Drew McLellan - watch him, he's tricky.
  223. [07:53:04] <drewinthehead> mornin'
  224. [07:56:50] <tantek> hello
  225. [08:05:44] * McNulty (n=McNulty@nat-195.157.130.52.maximalls.net) has joined #microformats
  226. [08:05:45] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty who works for maximalls.com and is present at ciaranmcnulty.com and Ciaran McNulty from ciaranmcnulty.com who lives in London and works for maximalls.com
  227. [08:07:21] * trovster (n=trov@creation1.plus.com) has joined #microformats
  228. [08:07:22] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  229. [08:10:36] <drewinthehead> hi trovster
  230. [08:10:45] <trovster> 'lo
  231. [08:12:04] <McNulty> morning
  232. [08:12:08] <trovster> Today brings rel="xfn"...
  233. [08:13:14] <drewinthehead> rel!="xfn"
  234. [08:13:33] <trovster> rel="me" == xfn
  235. [08:13:44] * drewinthehead nods like a pedant
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  237. [08:14:56] <drewinthehead> i was designing XFN into an app yesterday, and i was wondering if it was safe to assume co-resident implied met, but i don't think it does
  238. [08:15:27] <trovster> Heh, you could never have met a co-resident, although very very unlikely
  239. [08:15:32] <drewinthehead> take the example of your typical british university halls of residence ....
  240. [08:16:09] <McNulty> depends if it's resident in the building or resident in the same living space
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  242. [08:16:49] <drewinthehead> and if that space is viewed as communal living or not. halls of residence vs block of flats
  243. [08:17:22] <drewinthehead> i guess one test is shared rooms ... in a hall, bathrooms and dining areas are shared
  244. [08:18:20] <drewinthehead> the interesting one is whether 'sweetheart' implies 'met' ;)
  245. [08:19:03] <McNulty> not now we have The Internet ;-)
  246. [08:19:16] <trovster> Saw just gonna say that ;)
  247. [08:19:30] <trovster> But doesn't 'sweetheart' imply from school?
  248. [08:19:33] <trovster> Or from young.
  249. [08:19:40] <drewinthehead> ;) in most cases 'crush' and 'muse' would suffice, i think
  250. [08:19:44] <drewinthehead> nope, trovster
  251. [08:19:51] <McNulty> it just means lover
  252. [08:20:00] <drewinthehead> "Someone with whom you are intimate and at least somewhat committed, typically exclusively."
  253. [08:20:21] <McNulty> 'High-school sweetheart' is a common phrase though so maybe some of the meaning's rubbed off
  254. [08:21:02] <trovster> Ah, suppose.
  255. [08:21:08] <trovster> I'll give ya that.
  256. [08:22:32] <drewinthehead> i think it's a good term ... neatly sidesteps any issues/pigeonholing/offence around marriage/sexual-orientation/culture
  257. [08:23:01] <KevinMarks> and doesn't quite say rel="shagging"
  258. [08:23:21] <drewinthehead> exactly, KevinMarks ;)
  259. [08:23:36] <drewinthehead> although rel="shagging" would be awesome
  260. [08:24:02] <KevinMarks> rev="stalker"
  261. [08:24:14] <drewinthehead> it's rel="sibling sweetheart" that you have to watch out for
  262. [08:26:02] <McNulty> rel="third base"
  263. [08:26:18] <McNulty> without the space, I guess
  264. [08:26:51] <drewinthehead> perhaps a generic 'benefits' property that could be tacked on where appropriate
  265. [08:26:58] <drewinthehead> rel="friend benefits"
  266. [08:27:03] <McNulty> ha
  267. [08:27:36] <trovster> rel="fair-weather friend benefits shagging" ?
  268. [08:28:00] <KevinMarks> well, we'll end up encoding ladder theory next
  269. [08:28:28] <trovster> That's quality!
  270. [08:31:34] <drewinthehead> so yeah, rel="sweetheart" is probably a good choice, all things considered ;)
  271. [08:40:55] <drewinthehead> i see the d.Construct schedule is nicely marked up with hCalendar http://2006.dconstruct.org/schedule/
  272. [08:42:47] <drewinthehead> the description of the session about Flex says "shows you how easy it is to use open data, consume web services and create mashups in Flex 2 "
  273. [08:42:57] <tantek> re: rel="sweetheart" - yes, there was quite a bit of discussion about that one
  274. [08:43:08] <drewinthehead> these Flash guys are take, take, take ;)
  275. [08:43:25] <trovster> Flex were at Future of web Apps too... hmmm
  276. [08:43:32] <tantek> it's essentially the gender-neutral term for what folks commonly call girlfriend/boyfriend
  277. [08:43:49] <tantek> drew, indeed
  278. [08:43:54] <McNulty> Flex seems quite interesting, from what I've seen
  279. [08:44:15] <drewinthehead> tantek, does 'spouse' imply legal marriage?
  280. [08:45:09] <drewinthehead> i'm wondering the best way to describe a people who are not married, but would consider themselves a family
  281. [08:45:31] <trovster> redneks
  282. [08:45:33] * trovster ducks
  283. [08:45:33] * tantek references XFN background: http://gmpg.org/xfn/background#family
  284. [08:45:44] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-ja&diff=0&oldid=7410 * Vant * (+3744) start translating
  285. [08:45:52] <tantek> drew, rel="kin"
  286. [08:45:56] * drewinthehead RTFMs :)
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  288. [08:46:13] <KevinMarks> RsTFM, surely
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  290. [08:46:47] <McNulty> "We considered adding "grandparent," but in the end dropped the term because it seemed unlikely to be used in the near future"
  291. [08:46:58] <McNulty> no confidence in the web-savvyness of the older generation?
  292. [08:47:46] <tantek> no, just 20% confidence rather than 80% that they would have a home page. but that was in 2003. it may be worth reevaluating in 2006.
  293. [08:48:09] <tantek> drew, re: d.Construct hCalendar, could you add that to the hCalendar examples in the wild section?
  294. [08:48:25] <drewinthehead> sure
  295. [08:48:44] <plaes> if you have heard what the Extremadura district in Spain is doing then I should consider adding a "grandparent"...
  296. [08:48:59] <McNulty> does link @rel="xfn-token" imply that the URL being looked at is somehow definitive for that person?
  297. [08:49:13] <tantek> drew, and apparently http://2006.dconstruct.org/speakers/ deserves to be added to hCard examples in the wild ;)
  298. [08:49:14] <McNulty> er or rather it would be taht persons @rel="me"?
  299. [08:49:43] <tantek> McNulty, it is *a* URL that represents that person
  300. [08:50:27] <McNulty> I'm thinking that there could well be a URL that contains *something* about my grandparent, even if they're not online...
  301. [08:50:50] <McNulty> a wikipedia article about my great-great-great-grandfather, for instance
  302. [08:51:07] <McNulty> maybe rel="ancestor" could cover parents and upwards
  303. [08:51:10] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=7411 * DrewMcLellan * (+112) Examples in the wild - Added d.Construct 2006 schedule
  304. [08:51:16] <plaes> btw, is someone from the dconstruct site here?
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  306. [08:52:11] <tantek> McNulty, perhaps
  307. [08:52:24] <plaes> gecko-based browsers (Firefox, Mozilla, Epiphany, Galeon) use ctrl+alt+key for accesskeys
  308. [08:52:26] <tantek> and the corresponding rel="descendant"
  309. [08:53:01] <plaes> dconstruct/accessibility only mentions windows and mac ;)
  310. [08:53:15] <McNulty> I vaguely promised a relative I'd put some of their genealogy stuff online so it's a point of interest for me
  311. [08:53:39] <tantek> McNulty, if you'd like to capture your thoughts on additions to XFN, feel free to write something on http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-brainstorming
  312. [08:54:08] <drewinthehead> genealogy is a BIG area of web use
  313. [08:54:12] <tantek> and the thoughts can be incomplete. fragments are acceptable.
  314. [08:54:42] <tantek> drew, see http://microformats.org/wiki/genealogy-formats
  315. [08:54:56] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=7412 * DrewMcLellan * (+112) Examples in the wild - Added d.Construct speakers list
  316. [08:55:09] * drewinthehead RTFMs /again/
  317. [08:55:21] <McNulty> I believe there is some sort of XML transcoding of GEDCOM nowadays... I can't remember the details but I'll add it in if I find the stuff
  318. [08:55:57] <McNulty> Amusingly the Mormons wrote the spec
  319. [08:56:27] <KevinMarks> well, that makes sense
  320. [08:56:36] <KevinMarks> they have an imperative there
  321. [08:57:37] <mfbot> [[Template:MicroFormatPatentStatement-ja]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:MicroFormatPatentStatement-ja * Vant * (+343) Created
  322. [08:58:18] <drewinthehead> i guess this will shift over time, but currently, and in the UK at least, genealogy is one of the biggest reasons 'normal' people are getting online
  323. [08:58:23] <McNulty> Found the GedXML spec - I'll add that into the Wiki
  324. [08:58:40] <drewinthehead> i have zero interest in it myself, other than it being an important area :)
  325. [08:58:43] <McNulty> drewinthehead - indeed, especially since 2001 when the census was published
  326. [08:59:13] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-ja&diff=0&oldid=7413 * Vant * (+3) 特許 - switched to the translated template.
  327. [08:59:20] <drewinthehead> think of all that lovely data ... mmmm
  328. [09:00:03] <tantek> and think of it *decentralized* ... mmmm
  329. [09:00:19] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-ja&diff=0&oldid=7414 * Vant * (+21) 概要 -
  330. [09:00:20] <KevinMarks> mothers maiden name db's
  331. [09:00:26] <McNulty> hah
  332. [09:00:40] <McNulty> Maybe people will need to think of more original secure questions
  333. [09:01:03] <McNulty> Most genealogy sites have either a time limit or won't publish data on living people anyhow
  334. [09:01:25] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=7415 * ChristopheDucamp * (+51) Design Patterns - ajout include-pattern-fr à traduire
  335. [09:01:41] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=7416 * ChristopheDucamp * (-2) Design Patterns -
  336. [09:02:06] <McNulty> I'll add a couple of resources for genealogy to the wiki later
  337. [09:02:32] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=7417 * ChristopheDucamp * (+64) microformats wiki en d'autres langues - ajout Main_Page-de
  338. [09:03:03] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=7418 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) microformats wiki en d'autres langues -
  339. [09:05:03] <drewinthehead> another important area is knitting patterns.
  340. [09:05:15] <drewinthehead> knit one, purl one, drop one, curl one.
  341. [09:05:22] <McNulty> SURELY there need to be some pr0n microformats.
  342. [09:05:44] <trovster> We've been mentioning the, instead of flock, the fuck browser...
  343. [09:05:44] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=7419 * ChristopheDucamp * (+215) Implémentations - add textpattern tru_tags
  344. [09:05:52] <KevinMarks> someone made one
  345. [09:06:03] <McNulty> I read something about that
  346. [09:06:28] <McNulty> HeatSeek
  347. [09:06:46] <McNulty> http://www.headseek.com
  348. [09:06:50] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=7420 * ChristopheDucamp * (+7) Implémentations - typo
  349. [09:09:00] <drewinthehead> i was thinking, if we had a microformat for knitting patterns with sufficient detail, you could hook a knitting machine up to ADSL and get it to knit the entire internet.
  350. [09:10:43] <drewinthehead> combine it with hGEDCOM, and it could knit life-sized replicas of your ancestors
  351. [09:11:06] <McNulty> GedXML seems fairly well supported
  352. [09:11:11] <McNulty> And it looks really sensible
  353. [09:11:35] <McNulty> So some sort of hGedCom format would actually not be that complicated to pull off
  354. [09:11:45] <drewinthehead> superb
  355. [09:12:00] <McNulty> Hm it's 10.15, I should probably do some paying work
  356. [09:12:08] <McNulty> by for now ;-)
  357. [09:13:42] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7421 * ChristopheDucamp * (+712) bulle d'affichage en français
  358. [09:14:18] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=7422 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) typop
  359. [09:16:21] <drewinthehead> looking at the GedXML stuff, it's annoyingly similar to the data represented in hCalendar and hCard, but not similar enough
  360. [09:18:04] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7423 * ChristopheDucamp * (-3) typo
  361. [09:18:08] <drewinthehead> 'GivenName', 'SurName', 'NameSuffix'
  362. [09:20:14] <drewinthehead> let the microformat reuse vs. utilising existing formats battle commence.
  363. [09:22:43] <McNulty> yeees, I noticed that too
  364. [09:24:22] <McNulty> I don't think it would make sense to embed actual hCards
  365. [09:24:45] <McNulty> in a family tree context, they're not really people you can call up
  366. [09:25:29] <tantek> calling up is not a requirement
  367. [09:25:38] <tantek> hCard = person or org, that is all
  368. [09:25:40] <McNulty> well, hCards are sort of 'contacts' aren't they?
  369. [09:25:43] <McNulty> oh ok
  370. [09:30:58] <drewinthehead> i think we pretty much have the main tools in the form of hCalendar, hCard and XFN, but it doesn't map to existing standards well at all.
  371. [09:31:28] <tantek> which standards?
  372. [09:33:41] <drewinthehead> GEDCOM
  373. [09:33:53] <drewinthehead> and, well, GedXML
  374. [09:34:12] <drewinthehead> GEDCOM is dominant in the space
  375. [09:34:25] <mfbot> [[group-brainstorming-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/group-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+3676) [fr: translation of group-brainstorming to be reviewed]
  376. [09:34:50] <McNulty> I think GedXML is intended to supercede GEDCOM
  377. [09:34:57] <drewinthehead> right
  378. [09:35:01] <drewinthehead> good thing too
  379. [09:35:24] <McNulty> But hasn't been taken up that much. There's a strong GEDCOM->gedXML mapping and plenty of convertors so I think it would make sense to look at GedXML first
  380. [09:38:54] <McNulty> They have an interesting way of embedding html tags into things like descriptions.
  381. [09:39:18] <McNulty> <description>like<html:br/><html:em>this</html></description>
  382. [09:39:30] <McNulty> ok that's not quite right but you see
  383. [09:40:08] <drewinthehead> weird behaviour. some folks.
  384. [09:49:51] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=7424 * ChristopheDucamp * (+133) Exemples "dans la jungle" - ajout dconstruct
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  386. [10:16:46] <trovster> http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search/geek%20in%20the%20park schweet
  387. [10:19:35] <drewinthehead> Leamington Spa?
  388. [10:21:03] <drewinthehead> ah, just up the M40
  389. [10:23:32] <trovster> Yup.
  390. [10:25:56] <trovster> drewinthehead: Interesting in coming?
  391. [10:26:00] <trovster> Going to WSG tonight?
  392. [10:26:25] <drewinthehead> going to WSG tonight, yup. you?
  393. [10:26:33] <drewinthehead> not sure about leamington spa
  394. [10:27:25] <trovster> Yeh, going to WSG.
  395. [10:27:36] <trovster> Ah, go on, come to Geek in the park!
  396. [10:29:03] <drewinthehead> well, i have the day free, so we'll see ;)
  397. [10:29:34] <trovster> this is going to be a nightmare to organise, as expected :(
  398. [10:30:04] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=0&oldid=7425 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1051) Exemples dans le wild - ajout d.Construct schedule + sync
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  412. [12:39:45] <mfbot> [[Main Page-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=7427 * IwaiMasaharu * (+15) 他の言語に翻訳するのをお手伝いください！ - 日本語の表現をちょっと変えた
  413. [12:40:56] <mfbot> [[Main Page-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=7428 * IwaiMasaharu * (+3) 他の言語に翻訳するのをお手伝いください！ - 句読点の統一と細かい表現の変更
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  416. [12:55:33] <mfbot> [[Main Page-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=7430 * IwaiMasaharu * (+1) はじめに - リンク先のページ名の修正
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  418. [12:57:19] <mfbot> [[presentations-ja]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/presentations-ja * IwaiMasaharu * (+13298) english: 01:50, 12 Jul 2006
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  422. [13:08:26] <mfbot> [[Main Page-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=7432 * IwaiMasaharu * (+22) はじめに - 英単語を日本語読みに。(podcasts)
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  431. [13:45:36] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  433. [13:49:51] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  438. [14:36:41] <mfbot> [[group-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=group-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7434 * Josh * (+60) Real World Examples -
  439. [14:38:57] <mfbot> [[group-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=group-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7435 * Josh * (+84) Real World Examples -
  440. [14:58:08] <mfbot> [[xfn-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7436 * Tantek * (+936) cleaned up, reorged, fixed contributors represent folks who have actually contributed to the page, not those who just "intend to", added required reading, simple groups and members
  441. [14:59:25] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=7437 * Tantek * (+67) added ICWE Web 2.0 panel
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  444. [15:07:03] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  455. [16:22:44] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7439 * DeamMarch * (+32)
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  458. [16:25:19] <plaes> damn.. spam
  459. [16:26:44] <plaes> is there a possibility to revert the change?
  460. [16:27:13] <KevinMarks> go back to the revision before, edit, save
  461. [16:27:25] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=7440 * PriitLaes * (-32) Remove spam
  462. [16:27:29] <plaes> done..
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  465. [16:32:41] <mfbot> [[press-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press-ja&diff=0&oldid=7441 * IwaiMasaharu * (+56) 単語を日本語訳( presentations and podcasts )
  466. [16:33:22] <mfbot> [[press-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press-ja&diff=0&oldid=7442 * IwaiMasaharu * (+13)
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  469. [16:35:23] <jibot> bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
  470. [16:36:44] <wdennen> what is the best way to mark up an address that looks like this? Box ###, Some University, City, State zip+4
  471. [16:36:52] <wdennen> It's all one string
  472. [16:37:49] <mfbot> [[User:IwaiMasaharu/english-to-japanese-map]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IwaiMasaharu/english-to-japanese-map&diff=0&oldid=7443 * IwaiMasaharu * (+38) add podcast(s)
  473. [16:38:16] <briansuda> wdennen? for which microformat?
  474. [16:38:45] <mfbot> [[Main Page-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=7444 * IwaiMasaharu * (+2) はじめに - 句点の整理
  475. [16:38:48] <wdennen> sorry. duh. hCard.
  476. [16:40:12] <briansuda> hCard has several address properties, have alook at 'extended-address' and 'pobox' for the first two in your case
  477. [16:43:20] <wdennen> thanks. I can't parse the data (unfortunately).
  478. [16:47:06] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:DeamMarch" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  479. [16:48:04] <tantek> thanks plaes. spammer blocked.
  480. [16:48:30] <tantek> and you can also ask any of the admins to revert the wiki
  481. [16:48:38] <tantek> which removes the spam from the history as well
  482. [16:48:51] <plaes> ah.. that's why I didn't see the revert option
  483. [16:49:03] <tantek> right
  484. [16:49:13] <tantek> when you click the diff links that show up here
  485. [16:49:27] <tantek> on the right side of the header there is a link
  486. [16:49:29] <tantek> [rollback]
  487. [16:49:32] <plaes> well, you can revert my changes and the spammer changes ;)
  488. [16:49:55] * tantek notes that admins KevinMarks and briansuda were here at the time
  489. [16:50:16] <tantek> what KevinMarks said works, but is not as good as reverting.
  490. [16:50:28] <tantek> Kevin, please [rollback] when you see such spam
  491. [16:51:14] <plaes> btw, when does the subversion repository go public?
  492. [16:52:52] * briansuda not sure i see 'revert' or 'rollback' on wiki, do i have admin rights?
  493. [16:54:29] <tantek> plaes, there is actually a mercurial repository at hg.microformats.org now
  494. [16:54:35] <tantek> that to-do page needs updating
  495. [16:54:52] <tantek> brian, try clicking on one of the most recent (diff) links for a page in the history
  496. [16:55:29] <tantek> and if you don't see the [rollback] link near the top right, then email me your wiki login.
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  498. [16:56:55] <briansuda> no, i don't see rollback.
  499. [17:00:07] <mfbot> [[introduction-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction-ja&diff=0&oldid=7445 * IwaiMasaharu * (+124) Why Microformats - 理由のところを翻訳
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  501. [17:01:30] <jibot> [AD]Ska is an AmanithVG ( www.amanithvg.com ) developer at Mazatech Srl
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  506. [17:12:49] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  510. [17:24:47] <deanero> were there any specific gotchas that sunk media-info last time?
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  512. [17:25:10] <kingryan> deanero: lack of focus on examples in the wild
  513. [17:26:33] <deanero> there seems to be a lot of that in media-metadata
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  515. [17:29:11] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
  516. [17:29:19] <kingryan> yeah, its getting better
  517. [17:29:37] <kingryan> but each time people wanted to move forward to propose something, it was ungrounded in terms of examples
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  519. [17:30:29] <deanero> i'll just keep poking at the media-info-examples and media-formats as i have time
  520. [17:30:36] <kingryan> cool
  521. [17:30:37] <deanero> i'm not in any hurry :)
  522. [17:34:26] <deanero> the base elements listed in media-info-brainstorming could almost just be done with hatom
  523. [17:34:47] <kingryan> :D
  524. [17:34:50] <deanero> maybe they were looking at too many podcast examples
  525. [17:34:53] <deanero> :)
  526. [17:35:10] <kingryan> and in microformats "almost done with X" is often good enough
  527. [17:42:58] <deanero> we'll either justify that or find deeper distinctions with the examples, then
  528. [17:43:11] <deanero> reducing to a previously solved problem is always a happy path
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  530. [17:52:54] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  574. [23:26:16] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  577. [23:38:04] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  579. [23:49:20] <powr-toc> are there any microformats concerned with digitally signing comments (on blogs, forums etc...) so that they can be indexed by search engines and you can easily find every comment I left on the web and KNOW with some certainty that it was me who left it?
  580. [23:50:59] <briansuda> not digitally signing things, but the rel="me" attribute allows people to relate distributed content back to a URI
  581. [23:52:07] <ajturner> so if we change our blog templates to put the commenters name and url with the rel-tag?
  582. [23:53:14] <briansuda> it is difficult because that would actually not be what you intend.
  583. [23:53:25] <briansuda> the rel attribute is between the current page and the destination page
  584. [23:53:43] <briansuda> so it would be as if YOU claimed their URL as your own rel="me"
  585. [23:54:09] <briansuda> this is abit of a grey area, sites like claimID allow you to claim other data as your own
  586. [23:54:12] <ajturner> ah, so powr-toc's q: how would could a comment be marked that it was me that commented
  587. [23:55:45] <briansuda> well, you'd have to do something like have a page that listed all of your comments' URIs and those could be marked with rel="me"
  588. [23:55:59] <briansuda> that says, "all these links to my comments are me (mine)"
  589. [23:56:34] <briansuda> to do a reverse look-up normally you can use rev instead of rel, but that still applies to the PAGE not the comment.
  590. [23:57:07] <briansuda> there might be some semantic trickery you could do with the <cite> element as well, because that has an @href attribute which could point you back to your site

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