IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-23
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- [00:38:05] <termie>
can somebody point me at a quick site for testing the hcalendar content of a page?
- [00:42:31] <tantek>
termie!
- [00:42:39] <termie>
hey :)
- [00:42:42] <termie>
just found it
- [00:42:43] <tantek>
http://feeds.technorati.com/events/
- [00:42:46] <termie>
yeah
- [00:43:06] <tantek>
then check what the resultant .ics stream looks like in your iCal.app
- [00:43:15] <termie>
a friend wanted a little event site, http://term.ie/events so i figured i'd add mf support
- [00:43:32] <termie>
yeah, i said, "wow, technorati rocks" right after doing htat
- [00:43:47] <termie>
right before which i had said "wow, tantek rocks" because i got the link from your page
- [00:44:20] <termie>
at which point my girlfriend asked, "tantek? the technorati guy?"
- [00:44:34] <termie>
tantek++
- [00:44:36] <tantek>
your hCalendar markup looks good to me
- [00:44:37] <tantek>
:)
- [00:44:56] <tantek>
so nice to be known for "the technorati guy" rather than "the boxmodelhack guy".
- [00:45:01] <tantek>
thanks termie, you made my day.
- [00:45:17] <KevinMarks>
better t-shirt too
- [00:45:45] <termie>
i dunno, boxmodelhack has some undergroundness to it
- [00:45:47] <tantek>
BTW, with events you probably want to make it do a subscribe, so you'll want webcal://feeds.technorati.com/events/...
- [00:46:15] <tantek>
termie, yeah, plus it is the #5 google result for "hack"
- [00:46:33] <termie>
yeah, i noticed that and was thinking it was probably simpler than the atom feed i had made
- [00:46:36] <tantek>
ahead of the wikipedia definition, ahem ;)
- [00:51:06] <tantek>
it's certainly more compatible with calendar clients
- [00:52:05] <tantek>
(the .ics feed rather than an Atom feed of hCalendar)
- [00:53:09] <tantek>
termie, you should add term.ie/events to http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar#Examples_in_the_wild
- [00:54:07] <termie>
well teh atom feed is for people who subscribe via a reader of some sort, but for people who can handle webcal it is probably nicer to use the ics stuff, is what i was saying
- [00:54:33] <termie>
and as far as examples in the wild, we'll have to wait until he puts up the site ;) but this code will be open-source
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- [01:38:10] <tantek>
termie, open-source good!
- [01:38:24] <tantek>
just saw this today and thought folks here might be interested: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/byebyeembed
- [01:50:27] <tantek>
this info is so useful that it deserves its own creator
- [01:50:47] <tantek>
quicktime-object-creator
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- [02:33:06] <jibot>
bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
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- [02:56:54] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [03:33:56] <patbam>
i wonder if it would make sense to create a font description microformat
- [03:34:43] <patbam>
so that a search engine could provide font results for queries such as "font khmer ttf"
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- [03:56:09] <tantek>
patbam, do people already publish lots of such information on the Web? if not, then no need for a microformat has been shown
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- [03:57:26] <patbam>
tantek: well, there are a lot of "font galleries" such as: http://www.travelphrases.info/fonts.html
- [03:58:00] <patbam>
it's not always easy to find answers to the sort of query i suggested. but perhaps it's not enough to warrent a microformat.
- [03:58:10] <tantek>
it's a good question.
- [03:58:21] <tantek>
you can't be sure until you try documenting the actual examples on the web
- [03:58:43] <tantek>
if you think it is worth pursuing, then start a page like http://microformats.org/wiki/font-info-examples
- [03:58:56] <tantek>
and start listing the URLs like that one that show fonts and info about the fonts
- [03:59:09] <tantek>
that's the first step in the process: http://microformats.org/wiki/process
- [03:59:24] <tantek>
that's how you figure out the answethen your question of whether or not a microformat would make sense
- [03:59:28] <patbam>
okay, great. i'll check it out.
- [03:59:49] <patbam>
i actually was hanging otu ahere a while back, talking about stuff related to translation issues
- [03:59:56] <patbam>
that got a little out of hand, though.
- [04:00:30] <tantek>
which translation issues in particular?
- [04:00:43] <tantek>
there is a bunch of translation happening on the microformats wiki for example
- [04:01:06] <patbam>
i mean, a microformat to indicated translated documents, as opposed to translating actual microformat documentation
- [04:01:38] <patbam>
what happened was the conversation drifted toward trying to define a general "microformat" for entire blog posts
- [04:02:17] <patbam>
when it seems to me the real sweetspot is just some sort of mf based around an <a> that indicates the resource from which a document has been translated
- [04:02:34] <patbam>
both of these issues are ofinterest to me because i'm working on a translation tool.
- [04:06:34] <patbam>
anyway, thanks, i'll start that page
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- [05:55:13] <jibot>
Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
- [06:11:01] <tantek>
patbam, there have been various rel proposals for that
- [06:11:26] <tantek>
first of all, you can already link from the original or canonical version of the document to the translations with rel="alternate"
- [06:11:49] <tantek>
but there is no specific rel to link back and declare that the link is back to *the* original/canonical version
- [06:11:57] <tantek>
thus two proposals so far to solve that problem
- [06:12:01] <tantek>
rel="original"
- [06:12:05] <tantek>
rel="canonical"
- [06:12:12] <mfbot>
[[media-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7648 * ChristopheDucamp * (+234) Audio - translation in progress
- [06:12:20] <tantek>
I prefer rel="original" as I think that is more easily understood by more people
- [06:12:34] <tantek>
I think that solves your the problem you brought up
- [06:13:03] <mfbot>
[[media-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7649 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Publication Individuelle de Discours - typo
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- [06:44:50] <Whiskey_M>
'lo
- [06:45:41] <patbam>
thishttp://www.omronhealthcare.com/enTouchCMS/app/viewDocument?docID=2198&parntCatgId=27
- [06:45:44] <patbam>
ooops
- [06:46:03] <patbam>
sorry kids, wrong window.
- [06:46:07] <Whiskey_M>
lol
- [06:46:25] <patbam>
but if you happen to be looking for an ear thermometer, highly recommended.
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[[hatom-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-fr&diff=0&oldid=7650 * ChristopheDucamp * (+530) [fr:add suffix -fr - translation to be continued - chantier en cours]
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[[blog-post-brainstorming-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/blog-post-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+29976) [fr: structure translated needed for the planned hatom-fr translation]
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[[hatom-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-fr&diff=0&oldid=7651 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5) Schéma - link restored
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[[hatom-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-fr&diff=0&oldid=7652 * ChristopheDucamp * (+83) [fr:first draft to be reviewed]
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[[hatom-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-fr&diff=0&oldid=7653 * ChristopheDucamp * (+107) [fr: Entry has been translated in Entrée - to be reviewed]
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[[naming-principles-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=naming-principles-fr&diff=0&oldid=7654 * ChristopheDucamp * (-25) typo
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[[blog-post-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7655 * ChristopheDucamp * (+484) [fr:translation in progress]
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[[blog-post-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7656 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Participant à la Discussion - typo
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[[blog-post-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7657 * ChristopheDucamp * (+24) Terminologie Atom -
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[[blog-post-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7658 * ChristopheDucamp * (+71) Terminologie RSS 2.0 -
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[[blog-post-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7659 * ChristopheDucamp * (+93) Recommandation -
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[[blog-post-brainstorming-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7660 * ChristopheDucamp * (+167) Eléments Découverts - translation to be continued
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[[blog-post-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7661 * ChristopheDucamp * (+91)
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[[blog-post-formats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-formats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7662 * ChristopheDucamp * (+41) WordPress -
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[[blog-post-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-formats&diff=0&oldid=7663 * ChristopheDucamp * (-2) Template Concepts - typo
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[[blog-post-formats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-formats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7664 * ChristopheDucamp * (+12) WordPress - typo
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[[blog-post-formats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-formats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7665 * ChristopheDucamp * (-5) WordPress - typo
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[[blog-post-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-formats&diff=0&oldid=7666 * ChristopheDucamp * (+16) WordPress - Fresh Bananas -> (Ed: dead link)
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[[blog-post-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7667 * ChristopheDucamp * (+57) Rough Examples - typo
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[[blog-description-brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/blog-description-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1615)
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[[blog-post-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7668 * ChristopheDucamp * (+85) Voir aussi - typo
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[[blog-post-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7669 * ChristopheDucamp * (+181) typo
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[[blog-post-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7670 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Elements Basiques - typo
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- [10:59:43] <jibot>
Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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- [15:01:05] <sigg>
hello everyone
- [15:01:43] <sigg>
i'm looking for information about marking up recurring events using hcalendar
- [15:02:42] <sigg>
specifically, for example, weekly events that occur at the same time each week, but which clearly are tied to neither a year nor a month
- [15:03:03] <sigg>
anyone have any thoughts or information topass on?
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- [15:05:26] <jibot>
pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
- [15:06:03] <sigg>
so, to elaborate a bit more, for the recurring events i want to mark-up (a program schedule), i have rightfully have no requirement for the year and the month components of the dtstart and dtend values
- [15:06:31] <sigg>
anyone active?
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- [15:07:34] <jibot>
Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
- [15:09:08] <sigg>
hello, anyone active in here?
- [15:10:04] <Phae>
Hello
- [15:10:12] <sigg>
hi
- [15:11:07] <sigg>
my first time here, so i apologise if i'm not following any expected procedure of discourse. i'm trying to find out people's opinions on marking-up recurring events in hcalendar
- [15:11:19] <sigg>
do you have any thoughts about it, or...?
- [15:11:48] <Phae>
Reoccuring in that they are the same event, but monthly, annually, etc?
- [15:12:18] <Phae>
And as far as I know, there's no procedure. Free chat on the subject.
- [15:12:20] <Phae>
:)
- [15:12:23] <sigg>
yes. :) specifically it's a program schedule. the frequency for each event is weekly at a recurring time
- [15:13:22] <Phae>
So you're wondering if that's okay? It doesn't send any alarm bells as to problems in my mind. They'd be individually identifiable because of having different dates.
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- [15:13:44] <sigg>
so, the day of week and the start and end times are the only time-distinguishing features of these events. the year and month and day-date component of the dtstart and dtend values are useless in this respect as far as i can tell
- [15:14:43] <sigg>
but in terms of marking-up the dtstart and dtend values, i'm not sure what to do
- [15:14:59] <sigg>
since they seem to require for each event a specific date
- [15:15:35] <sigg>
whereas i can only supply a day, and not an ordinal date
- [15:15:44] <sigg>
am i making sense? .... :)
- [15:15:46] <Phae>
Wouldn't you just enter each event as a seperate event, regardless of them being the same thing?
- [15:15:56] <Phae>
I think so. I've not implemented a hCal before. I'm just looking at the spec now.
- [15:17:39] <sigg>
so that would mean, then that in effect, there is no such thing as recurring events in hCal. if every monday's events, say, have to be edited and marked up uniquely for each particular monday as it comes around, then it would seem that hcal doesn;t have the concept of an event recurring.... is that right?
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- [15:18:17] <Phae>
To me, yeah, that seems to be it. As I said, I'm not that up on hCal. Take a look at the wild implementations, and see if anyone else is dealing with reoccuring events as you are.
- [15:18:21] <Phae>
See what they've done, perhaps?
- [15:19:02] <sigg>
i'll do that. so far the only hint of the concept of a recurring event i've found has been the RRULE class
- [15:19:23] <sigg>
like this: <div class="rrule">Repeat <span class="freq">yearly</span>.</div>
- [15:19:29] <Phae>
Ah, yeah.
- [15:19:31] <Phae>
I see.
- [15:19:58] <sigg>
indicating that the event occurs yearly. but still, it seems to require a definite date
- [15:20:31] <Phae>
Surely that's the nature of a reoccuring event? Something that occurs daily, weekly, monthly etc. Otherwise it's an event that occurs on an abritary day.
- [15:21:27] <Phae>
I'm thinking about calenders I've used before.. and reoccuring in them is defined by something that occurs with the same gap between (weekly etc.)
- [15:21:37] <sigg>
i could mark a weekly event up as, say, beginning on the first occurrence of that day in the year - say, the first monday of 2006 - and then use the RRULE to declare that it will thenceforth occur weekly. that's about the best i can do, to my knowledge
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- [15:23:10] <sigg>
right, indeed, that is the nature of a recurring event. but if i want to say "it's every monday at 8pm", i don't really want to say "it's every monday at 8pm" on the 24th july 2006
- [15:23:32] <sigg>
i want to keep it independent from a specific ordinal date
- [15:23:39] <sigg>
anyway. heh.
- [15:23:39] <Phae>
Yeah
- [15:23:55] <sigg>
sorry for the extended exasperated episode ;)
- [15:24:21] <Phae>
No, it's cool. :)
- [15:24:30] <sigg>
i just can't find any 'informative' info on this other than what i've relayed.
- [15:25:12] <Phae>
You could send something to the mailing list and see how others' would implement it.
- [15:25:17] <sigg>
thanks. :) are you a regular here?
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- [15:25:29] <Phae>
I have tried to be, lately.
- [15:25:34] <sigg>
i think i may do that, thanks for the suggestion
- [15:25:36] <Phae>
I get more done when I can ask people directly for help.
- [15:26:54] <sigg>
yeah. because it's still a body of knowledge in its formative stages, hunting around for answers requires a fair bit of detective work and use of value judgements... far easier to get advice from learned peeps
- [15:27:09] <Phae>
Exactly.
- [15:27:57] <sigg>
also, it means that everyone will be far more likely to end up conforming to a standard.... maybe
- [15:28:13] <Phae>
I find, with most things, that if I'm stuck, just talking about what you're stuck with with other people, even if they don't know the answer, can help you come up with a workaround anyway
- [15:28:17] <Phae>
Makes your brain click in.
- [15:28:20] <sigg>
why are you trying to be a regular, if i may ask?
- [15:28:31] <sigg>
yeah, helps make sense of things
- [15:28:58] <Phae>
I'm not trying to "be a regular". I just mean, I'm trying to be around more so a) I'm encouraged to do the things I plan to do, and b) it's interesting to talk about implementations and issues with Mfs with real people.
- [15:29:53] <sigg>
i've tried to learn about microformats purely from the MF site and observing a few choice implementations. haven't had any (in)direct human contact regarding them until now... if you see what i mean.
- [15:30:03] <Phae>
Yea.
- [15:30:06] <sigg>
ah ok
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- [15:31:00] <sigg>
does it help you with motivation? i guess i mean, do you lack motivation to carry through what you're planning to do? or is that to misconstrue...?
- [15:31:26] <Phae>
No, that's exactly it. It's so easy to be lazy when you're just playing around with someone and not talking to anyone about what you're doing.
- [15:31:38] <Phae>
someone=something
- [15:32:08] <Phae>
At least, I find that. I'd like to be one of those people who could be more self-motivated.
- [15:32:22] <sigg>
slip of the tongue. ;) no, i understand. it's a constant fight to be productive, especially during the summer
- [15:32:29] <Phae>
Yeah.
- [15:32:54] <sigg>
what, generally, or when it comes to microformats specifically?
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- [15:33:47] <Phae>
Uhm, I've done implementations of hCard and hAtom on my own site. But I'm also trying to get some stylesheets finished off for http://microformats.org/wiki/zen-garden
- [15:34:00] <sigg>
i mean, motivated to find out an implement MF? or just motivated to get up and work in the mornings...? :)
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- [15:34:09] <Phae>
But I'm a front-end developer normally, so I find it hard to sit and work on CSS outside of work too. Sometimes I'm just fried on it.
- [15:34:40] <Phae>
I'm on holiday this week though, so I plan to get my stuff finished.
- [15:35:40] <sigg>
i know the feeling. so you're frances berriman here? i'm martin wright
- [15:35:48] <Phae>
:) yeah. hi.
- [15:35:50] <sigg>
i'm front-end too
- [15:35:53] <sigg>
hi :)
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- [15:35:55] <Phae>
heh
- [15:36:33] <sigg>
nice clean site you have
- [15:36:54] <Phae>
thanks. Its another of those things that's on my list of "redesigns" but I just can't find the motivation atm.
- [15:37:07] <Phae>
It's functional, so it'll do.
- [15:37:50] <sigg>
yeah, it doesn't to me cry-out for a redesign. guess it depends on how long you've lived with it though, to some extent
- [15:38:15] <Phae>
I think it's been that way for about... a year and a half maybe.
- [15:38:18] <sigg>
i'm at http://www.icegalleon.com . nothing there yet.
- [15:38:23] <Phae>
With minor tweaks.
- [15:38:29] <Phae>
:)
- [15:39:17] <sigg>
heh, ok. i can understand if you're tired of it then, based purely on that length of time alone.
- [15:39:42] <Phae>
Yeah. I'm bored of looking at it. And it'd be an excuse to clean up the code on some pages and just rethink a few elements.
- [15:39:55] <Phae>
But yeah.. finding the inspiration and the motivation isn't that easy.
- [15:39:55] <sigg>
is it strict?
- [15:39:57] <Phae>
Yeah
- [15:40:10] <sigg>
everything validates i think
- [15:40:25] <Phae>
Should od. There's a few pages deeper in that I've never got around to tidying properly, so those would get done.
- [15:40:26] <Phae>
do*
- [15:40:27] <sigg>
according to my HTML tidy plugin icon ;)
- [15:40:36] <Phae>
:) Yeah. Should just be access warnings.
- [15:41:07] <sigg>
how long have you been doing all this, then? long enough that you had to unlearn bad habits?
- [15:41:38] <sigg>
not saying that i see eveidence of bad habits. the contrary
- [15:41:44] <Phae>
Uhm, well, I'm only 23. I've been playing around with websites since I was about 15 (the horrible bad way), but only seriously for the last couple years.
- [15:43:42] <Phae>
So yeah, I had to relearn somethings, but I learnt CSS the first time the right way, because I came into it late enough, I guess.
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oops. sorry. was booted
- [15:46:28] <Phae>
heh.
- [15:46:56] <sigg_>
i was just saying that i'm 31 and have been doing this for a bout 3 years in varying degrees of intensity
- [15:47:20] <Phae>
Ah, I see.
- [15:47:30] <sigg_>
started with zeldman et al so didn't have to swim my way out of tag soup.
- [15:47:39] <Phae>
Yeah, seems to be an advantage.
- [15:48:02] <sigg_>
do they develop at your work to standards, or...
- [15:48:45] <Phae>
Yeah, we try to work to strict.
- [15:49:15] <sigg_>
that's cool. great to work with people who get it, i guess
- [15:49:39] <Phae>
Yeah, I got brought on because I'm accessibility whore, but I don't always get to practice what I preach on that front.
- [15:49:58] <Phae>
Because clients don't quite "get it" yet. You can advise them against using that lovely "click here" til you're blue in the face
- [15:50:03] <Phae>
but sometimes they don't want to budge :)
- [15:50:56] <sigg_>
hahah. with a few of the people i've collaborated with i've been in that role. the awkward accessibility person.
- [15:51:30] <sigg_>
i know. i've been quite lucky so far, but yes... i prescribe tongue-biting ewxrecises.
- [15:51:34] <Phae>
I don't feel awkward. I enjoy a bit of a rant. I just have to live with not always getting my way.
- [15:51:36] <sigg_>
exercises*
- [15:51:46] <Phae>
It'll change.
- [15:52:15] <sigg_>
no, i love reeling one off myself. sometimes though, it's as if you're cast into 'the prickly one' role
- [15:52:27] <Phae>
I suppose.
- [15:52:32] <Phae>
It's all good fun.
- [15:52:34] <sigg_>
heh, what are your plans that ensure this will change?
- [15:52:44] <sigg_>
sometimes fun.
- [15:53:05] <Phae>
Well, not ensure, but legislation will eventually be enforced requiring comercial sites to be accessible (or moreso than currently)
- [15:53:07] <Phae>
stuff like that
- [15:53:10] <Phae>
things that'll make clients panic
- [15:53:45] <sigg_>
right. i wonder if there's really that much momentum towards effective legislation though in the UK
- [15:53:52] <Phae>
There is through the EU
- [15:54:29] <Phae>
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200606/web_accessibility_to_become_mandatory_in_europe/
- [15:54:40] <sigg_>
right. i'm not really aware of EU initiatives vis-a-vis accessibility. must admit my ignorance
- [15:54:49] <sigg_>
ah yeah. haven't read this yet
- [15:55:23] <Phae>
It's all a ways off, but it's going to happen, and I'm always trying to encourage people to start thinking about the issues now
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so that there isn't some terrible panic to get up to speed later
- [15:56:03] <sigg_>
well, a terrible panic does mean more work
- [15:56:15] <Phae>
:)
- [15:56:17] <sigg_>
to be entirely cycnical about it
- [15:56:18] <sigg_>
:)
- [15:56:21] <Phae>
I know.
- [15:57:18] <sigg_>
still, i wonder if what comes out of the EU won't be severely diluted. will read roger's article more thoroughly.
- [15:57:34] <Phae>
Yeah
- [15:57:40] <Phae>
Maybe. We'll have to wait and see.
- [15:58:35] <sigg_>
do you get a lot of clients who want to use "click here"-type links? so far i've had success with explaining links that make sense out of context
- [15:59:03] <Phae>
Yeah, there's one in particular that just loves the bloody things.
- [15:59:16] <sigg_>
i try to get them to communicate the absolute necessity of clicking a link via other means... like having it big and in bright red ;)
- [15:59:26] <sigg_>
so the design may suffer. ... :(
- [15:59:48] <Phae>
Unfortunately (well, not that unfortunate), I don't deal directly with the clients always. We have account managers.
- [15:59:56] <Phae>
So sometimes it's a case of getting them to understand the problem first.
- [16:00:05] <sigg_>
lucky you. i envy you that, heh.
- [16:00:37] <Phae>
:)
- [16:00:44] <Phae>
Yeah, it's good for the jeans and trainers.
- [16:00:55] <sigg_>
yeah. reiterating the same problems, scenarios and explanations. still, good to talk. ;)
- [16:01:25] <sigg_>
heh, explain that please... puzzlement reigns over here. jeans and trainers?
- [16:01:47] <Phae>
oh. Jeans.. as in.. jeans? Trainers as in... tennis shoes, casual shoes?
- [16:01:52] <sigg_>
ah ok. sorry. slow on the uptake.
- [16:01:56] <Phae>
i.e. If i had to see clients, I couldn't dress like I do.
- [16:01:59] <sigg_>
yes, i know. ;)
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maybe clients would be disappointed if they discovered that you were not in fact in casual clothes... and would be supsicious of your qualities as a design were you to be found looking like a bank manager..
- [16:04:02] <Phae>
heh
- [16:04:04] <Phae>
Perhaps!
- [16:04:19] <sigg_>
the more outlandish, th ebetter :)
- [16:04:27] <sigg_>
perhaps not though. ;)
- [16:04:34] <Phae>
It's been too hot for outlandish. It's been practically naked.
- [16:04:43] <sigg_>
so what will you get done on your week off?
- [16:05:07] <sigg_>
well, that would still probably count as outlandish with most clients :) or maybe outrageous :)
- [16:05:08] <Phae>
Hopefully, some sitting on the beach and finishing reading my books, and seeing some friends.
- [16:05:19] <Phae>
But as far as "work" goes, getting my stylesheets done and dusted.
- [16:05:31] <Phae>
Whatever really. Just chillin'.
- [16:05:42] <sigg_>
a cornish beach, at that?
- [16:05:46] <Phae>
Indeed.
- [16:05:54] <Phae>
My parents are about 2 miles from the coast.
- [16:06:07] <sigg_>
ahah. that is indeed cool.
- [16:06:19] <Phae>
Where are you?
- [16:06:37] <sigg_>
i'm about 8 miles. but on the other site t'country. norfolk. ;)
- [16:06:52] <Phae>
ohhh.. i thought you were european or something. lol. Fair enough. :)
- [16:06:58] <sigg_>
similar to cornwall in some ways. ;)
- [16:07:02] <sigg_>
hahah
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do i sound european?
- [16:07:10] <Phae>
Having never been to Norfolk, I will take your word for it.
- [16:07:11] <sigg_>
i guess i am
- [16:07:23] <Phae>
I dunno, I just assumed. There aren't vast numbers of UK microformateers.
- [16:07:29] <sigg_>
very exotic, is norfolk.
- [16:07:40] <sigg_>
;)
- [16:07:57] <sigg_>
oh/ hmm. and there are far more continetals?
- [16:08:08] <sigg_>
continentals*
- [16:08:19] <Phae>
Well, I dunno, but I only talk directly to two other UK types in here.
- [16:08:31] <sigg_>
i got the impression that it was largely an anglo-american thing at this point.
- [16:08:48] <Phae>
it's always dominated by americans. Just a given.
- [16:08:51] <sigg_>
hmm. interesting to know.
- [16:09:22] <sigg_>
yeah, but that's applicable to standards and arguably the internet as a whole
- [16:09:25] <Phae>
It doesn't really matter, I suppose. Although Drew and I were discussing maybe doing a casual MF meetup sometime.
- [16:09:54] <sigg_>
drew mclellan?
- [16:09:57] <Phae>
yeah
- [16:11:11] <sigg_>
i know the name, not the individual. in fact being out here in norfolk, i only know a few east anglians/norwich people in the industry (and one or two americans too). i've hardly connected with any brits outside norwich really.
- [16:11:35] <Phae>
Yeah.
- [16:11:37] <sigg_>
i'd be interested in an MF
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meetup
- [16:11:41] <Phae>
I only met him last week, at the WSG meet.
- [16:12:10] <sigg_>
that was in london, right?
- [16:12:13] <Phae>
Yep.
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payed for by your employer?
- [16:12:30] <Phae>
It was 4.50
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So was hardly worth asking.
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only £4.50?
- [16:12:47] <sigg_>
blimey
- [16:12:47] <Phae>
Yeah
- [16:13:20] <sigg_>
damn. i've missed a trick!
- [16:13:23] <Phae>
:P
- [16:13:25] <sigg_>
how was it?
- [16:13:32] <Phae>
There will be another in November.
- [16:13:33] <sigg_>
:P back at you.
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- [16:13:49] <Phae>
It was good. It was the first webby thing I'd been to really, so it was neat for me just to get to meet a few people.
- [16:13:52] <sigg_>
ok. my diary will be informed of this.
- [16:14:25] <Phae>
RSS to muffinresearch.co.uk, as I assume Stuart will organise the next one too.
- [16:14:39] <sigg_>
that's how i feel. i mean, that's what i would like. just to get out there a bit more and meet some folks with the same concerns.
- [16:14:46] <Phae>
Yeah
- [16:15:01] <sigg_>
stuart being the chap behind muffinresearch?
- [16:15:06] <Phae>
Indee
- [16:15:06] <Phae>
d
- [16:15:26] <sigg_>
but was it more of a networking thing than an informative thing?
- [16:15:31] <sigg_>
for you
- [16:15:44] <Phae>
Yeah, because the two presentations didn't tell me anything I didn't already really know.
- [16:15:56] <sigg_>
still very much worth it for the networking i suspect
- [16:16:06] <sigg_>
right
- [16:17:00] <sigg_>
i'm down in november, i think it is, for an accessibility thang.
- [16:17:06] <Phae>
Oh really?
- [16:17:11] <sigg_>
details are not at hand
- [16:17:12] <sigg_>
yeah
- [16:17:20] <sigg_>
i'll see if i can find what it is
- [16:17:26] <Phae>
ok. Intrigued.
- [16:19:01] <sigg_>
abilityNET. "acessible computing on a low budget"
- [16:19:14] <sigg_>
there's also another in cambridge in november too
- [16:19:25] <Phae>
I see.
- [16:19:29] <sigg_>
these are both freebies for me
- [16:19:43] <Phae>
Surrey?
- [16:20:00] <sigg_>
08/11/06 London (i have no details yet other than that it's in N7!)
- [16:20:03] <Phae>
oh, nm. This is something else I've found. In September.
- [16:20:06] <Phae>
It's a class then?
- [16:21:00] <sigg_>
actually, i'm not sure yet. an org i did some work for had places offered to them for free. i said yes to both events. i haven't really looked further into it yet.
- [16:21:32] <sigg_>
figuring i could use any networking opportunities that they may or may not offer.
- [16:21:42] <Phae>
Yeah, may aswell. You never know, it might be informative.
- [16:21:43] <Phae>
:)
- [16:21:51] <sigg_>
regardless of the level at which the stuff is being presented
- [16:22:16] <sigg_>
cambridge, 29/11/06: Web Accessibility for developers and managers (2 sessions)
- [16:22:28] <sigg_>
classes then, i guess... hmm!
- [16:22:31] <Phae>
heh
- [16:22:47] <sigg_>
we'll see. so they don't ring bells with you?
- [16:22:50] <sigg_>
heh
- [16:23:17] <Phae>
No, but if it's the same thing I saw, it's voluntary and community organisations.
- [16:23:46] <sigg_>
yeah. a charity i did work for offered the places to me.
- [16:23:52] <Phae>
Makes sense.
- [16:23:55] <sigg_>
;)
- [16:23:58] <sigg_>
indeed.
- [16:24:11] <Phae>
I work for a marketing company, so we definitely don't qualify.
- [16:24:11] <Phae>
heh
- [16:24:22] <sigg_>
by the way, do you get to use MF at work?
- [16:24:33] <Phae>
I have sneakily started using it.
- [16:24:33] <sigg_>
ah, right. shame.
- [16:24:42] <Phae>
I mark up clients "contact us" pages, for example, with hCards
- [16:25:16] <sigg_>
"sneakily" with reference to your clients, not your employers of course, right?
- [16:25:23] <sigg_>
cool :)
- [16:25:33] <Phae>
Yeah. The clients wouldn't care, since they wouldn't get it anyway.
- [16:25:36] <Phae>
And my boss things it's neat.
- [16:25:38] <Phae>
So it's fine.
- [16:25:48] <Phae>
thinks*
- [16:26:35] <sigg_>
do you discuss web standards with clienst at all?
- [16:26:44] <sigg_>
i mean, directly...?
- [16:26:51] <sigg_>
i guess you don't personally, heh
- [16:27:03] <sigg_>
lucky :P
- [16:27:05] <Phae>
Me, directly? no, they wouldn't let me. For a start off, I'm young, and I look even younger. They would never take me seriously.
- [16:27:14] <sigg_>
heh?
- [16:27:31] <Phae>
Well, that's what I'd think anyway.
- [16:27:35] <Phae>
Some kid telling them what to do.
- [16:27:41] <sigg_>
that's what you've been told? or is that what you think?
- [16:27:43] <Phae>
It's safer to let the account managers deal with it.
- [16:27:47] <sigg_>
ok...
- [16:27:49] <Phae>
I'm thinking it. It's just me being silly, mostly.
- [16:28:25] <Phae>
Some clients are coming to us now requesting strict and double-A compliency etc. so it doesn't need discussing and suggesting.
- [16:28:27] <sigg_>
heh. everso slight evidence of an age complex there at work? :P ;)
- [16:28:44] <Phae>
Well, life in general is that way.
- [16:29:39] <sigg_>
sorry to go off on one, but do you feel any pressure of being young then, at work?
- [16:29:49] <sigg_>
younger than everyone esle
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else
- [16:29:58] <Phae>
Somewhat. I feel pressured because I'm young, and I'm a girl working in a room full of men. :)
- [16:30:07] <Phae>
I'm the only one in my department.
- [16:30:21] <sigg_>
ahh. well i can see it more clearly now
- [16:30:23] <sigg_>
;)
- [16:30:23] <Phae>
heh
- [16:31:07] <sigg_>
but it's not leary or anything like that is it? just a undercurrent of...?
- [16:31:15] <Phae>
lol no, they're really good to me./
- [16:31:25] <Phae>
But I always feel that I have to prove my worth regardless of how nice they are.
- [16:31:59] <sigg_>
ah ok. cool. but they don't do anything to make you feel that you have to do more to prove yourself, do they?
- [16:32:34] <Phae>
nah, they wouldn't dare! If I make a mistake, I make a mistake. They'd never suggest it was because of my gender.
- [16:32:38] <sigg_>
i guess it's ultimately hard to tell, if it's a concern of yours always at the back of your mind
- [16:32:53] <sigg_>
but only because they don't dare to? ;)
- [16:33:14] <sigg_>
because they'd know your wrath? ;) just kidding :)
- [16:33:15] <Phae>
They just know me better. I get the odd joke, but it's all light-hearted fun.
- [16:33:21] <Phae>
And yeah, a woman scorned...
- [16:33:22] <Phae>
:)
- [16:34:18] <sigg_>
... = an office full of fast-moving web-types in escape mode :)
- [16:34:24] <Phae>
heh
- [16:34:49] <Phae>
oh, hey. my dinner is ready (the perks of visiting family), so I gotta shoot.
- [16:35:24] <Phae>
catch ya later, and cheers for the chat.
- [16:35:40] <sigg_>
as of yet, the only women i've met involved in web things at all have been copywrightists
- [16:36:01] <sigg_>
yeah, no worries. speak soon. :)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[xoxo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo&diff=0&oldid=7673 * Rick * (+3) Implementations -
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
- [18:39:02] <trovster>
Phae: What did you use to check hAtom validity/parsing?
- [18:39:30] <Phae>
People.
- [18:39:37] <Phae>
drewinthehead, Chris and Luke all checked it for me.
- [18:40:21] <Phae>
You should find Lukes hAtom2Atom proxy will work now. He fixed it today.
- [18:40:21] <trovster>
Heh. Ok, fair enough.
- [18:40:38] <trovster>
OK, I'll try it out.
- [18:40:41] <Phae>
Try it on yours. It parses mine okay now.
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- [18:43:21] <trovster>
aha, it has the option to 'tidy' now, good good as I'm sending plain on vanilla HTML...
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- [18:44:11] <Phae>
oops
- [18:46:44] <trovster>
Meh, doesn't split up the multiple hfeeds I have on the page. Actually, I think that's my nesting fault :(
- [18:47:07] <Phae>
Whats the URL?
- [18:47:46] <trovster>
pm?
- [18:47:59] <Phae>
If you prefer.
- [19:15:24] <drewinthehead>
evenin' all
- [19:16:38] <Phae>
evening
- [19:18:00] <drewinthehead>
trovster: i have a suspicion that hatom2atom will only find feeds that are a descendant of the named fragment
- [19:19:45] <trovster>
mmm
- [19:27:39] <pnhChris>
drew: how are you dealing with fragment ids in your service?
- [19:27:50] <drewinthehead>
in my hatom2atom?
- [19:27:55] <pnhChris>
yeah
- [19:28:06] <pnhChris>
guess you have to require them to be encoded right
- [19:28:10] <drewinthehead>
i'm not .. i'm just passing the url into the xslt as a param
- [19:28:18] * pnhChris is feeling a bit dumb on a sun afternoon
- [19:29:17] <Phae>
Would it be worthwhile to hatomise my comments? Give another multi-feed example?
- [19:29:37] <Phae>
-- that. It's worthwhile, regardless.
- [19:30:47] <pnhChris>
i mean... doesn't the fragment id get lost / not part of the request to the server... at least in most browser instances
- [19:31:43] <drewinthehead>
in my case the entire url is coming in as a querystring param
- [19:32:00] <drewinthehead>
Phae: yeah, hatomising comments is cool
- [19:32:21] <Phae>
I will do that tomorrow.
- [19:32:22] * trovster screams "I've done it, I've done it..."
- [19:32:29] <Phae>
:D
- [19:32:42] * trovster dances the dance
- [19:32:52] <Phae>
What was it?
- [19:34:20] <trovster>
What's what?
- [19:34:34] <Phae>
I assime
- [19:34:36] <Phae>
oops
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- [19:34:43] <Phae>
I assumed you'd fixed your ahtom feeds?
- [19:35:35] <trovster>
nope, the dance was for already having hatomised comments..
- [19:35:44] <Phae>
ohh!
- [19:35:46] <Phae>
okay.
- [19:36:01] <Phae>
It just hadn't occured to me that it needed to be done until now.
- [19:36:04] <Phae>
Which is dumb of me.
- [19:38:33] <drewinthehead>
it hadn't occurred to you that the dance needed to be done?
- [19:38:44] <drewinthehead>
that hadn't occurred to me, either.
- [19:38:54] <Phae>
heh
- [19:39:15] * drewinthehead encourages random code-dancing
- [19:41:08] <Phae>
Hmmm... What did you use for entry-title on your comments then, trovster?
- [19:41:13] <Phae>
comment number?
- [19:41:19] * Phae could just go look.
- [19:41:43] * trovster doesn't, he doesn't think :S
- [19:42:01] <Phae>
doh, you're right. And I don't need to.
- [19:42:12] <Phae>
It's a "should", not a "must"
- [19:42:57] <drewinthehead>
so you should if you can
- [19:43:04] <Phae>
Yeah.
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- [19:45:07] <Phae>
Okay, I can give them titles.
- [19:45:33] <drewinthehead>
could you sense us all staring?
- [19:45:36] <drewinthehead>
:P
- [19:45:43] <amanuel>
does xfolk need a min. of at least one link?
- [19:45:46] <Phae>
heh
- [19:46:16] <Phae>
No, but I just thought about it, because there's not an obvious title for my comments. But I'll just hide one visually, and it'll be made up of the comment number and post, so I'll get title as "Comment x on Title Whatever"
- [19:47:12] <drewinthehead>
sounds good to me
- [19:47:15] <Phae>
:)
- [19:57:06] <trovster>
Talk about SEO :)
- [19:58:06] <Phae>
I guess so.
- [19:58:21] <trovster>
http://example.com/title-of-post <title>Title of post | Site name</title> <h3>Title of post</h3> <h4>Add a comment on 'title of post'</h4> <el class="entry-title">Comment # on title of post</el>
- [19:58:21] <trovster>
:D
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- [19:59:16] <Phae>
mm.. maybe. Do you think it'd be overkill? :)
- [20:00:23] <drewinthehead>
i guess if the hfeed has a title of 'comments on title-of-post' then the entries could just be 'comment x'
- [20:00:40] <Phae>
Yeah, true.
- [20:00:58] <Phae>
That's probably a little more sensible.
- [20:03:14] <trovster>
Ah, is that where hfeed gets it's title from?
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [20:48:23] <bretonslivka>
tantek is still just such a cool name
- [20:48:32] <trovster>
<em class="vcard author"><strong class="fn org"><a href="http://www.trovster.com" rel="bookmark url me" class="org"><img src="/images/gravatars/default.gif" alt="" width="35" height="35" class="logo gravatar">trovster</a></strong></em> -- what's up with that? Tails shows 'trovster' as the url, but it's not underlined.
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- [21:06:44] <trovster>
hmmm
- [21:06:52] <trovster>
oops
- [21:26:14] <trovster>
What format should a longdesc be in?
- [21:26:36] <chucker>
i thought longdesc was a URL pointer
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- [21:27:04] <chucker>
yep, %URI
- [21:27:05] <chucker>
"link to long description"
- [21:27:08] <trovster>
Yes, so it points to a 'what type of file'
- [21:27:19] <chucker>
doesn't matter
- [21:27:23] <chucker>
could be an HTML page
- [21:27:27] <chucker>
could be a text file
- [21:27:34] <chucker>
could be a more descriptive version of the image
- [21:27:36] <trovster>
OK, ace .txt file it is
- [21:28:08] <chucker>
the spec example has a HTML doc
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<IMG src="sitemap.gif" alt="HP Labs Site Map" longdesc="sitemap.html">
- [21:52:56] <pnhChris>
woot... i see a feed icon on http://placenamehere.com/mf/netnewswire/
- [21:54:35] <pnhChris>
... got my little hatom2atom proxy install.. and pumping pages with hatom through it with a via standard feed link in the head.. so people won't know the difference
- [21:55:01] <pnhChris>
i'll blog it after dinner
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- [22:49:54] <pnhChris>
http://placenamehere.com/article/230/FeedsForAllWithhAtom
- [22:50:30] * trovster wonders why locality isn't being picked up by technorati
- [22:52:20] <trovster>
http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search/geek%20in%20the%20park -> http://www.geekinthepark.co.uk not getting locality from the #overview
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- [23:08:16] <pnhChris>
for what event trovster ?
- [23:08:36] <pnhChris>
.. in the search results
- [23:08:50] <trovster>
#overview
- [23:09:12] <trovster>
Geek in the Park - >Warwickshire
- [23:09:21] <trovster>
should have Royal Leamington Spa, too
- [23:09:35] <pnhChris>
the ics file i grabed seemed to be ok
- [23:09:39] <pnhChris>
at first glance
- [23:09:40] <pnhChris>
LOCATION;LANGUAGE=en;CHARSET=UTF-8:Royal Leamington Spa, Warwickshire
- [23:10:17] <trovster>
Oh, so it's just not displayed on the technorati site...
- [23:10:35] <pnhChris>
do you mean on the search results layout?
- [23:10:35] <pnhChris>
ah
- [23:10:35] <pnhChris>
k
- [23:10:35] <pnhChris>
i dunno then
- [23:11:23] <trovster>
Is the hAtom implementation correct, too?
- [23:12:51] <pnhChris>
lemme see
- [23:14:18] <KevinMarks>
i see multiple locations
- [23:15:49] <pnhChris>
i'm not /sure/ if atom spec needs permalink to be different for each entry offhand.. can't see anything else that looks off
- [23:21:51] <pnhChris>
running it through the hatom2atom proxy and then feedvalidator.org makes for a good sanity check
- [23:22:34] <pnhChris>
i wouldn't call it validation just yet... cause you'll occationally hit issues with the xsl or the hatom spec
- [23:23:21] <pnhChris>
but most cases i think its at the point of throwing a few warnings for most good hatom content
- [23:23:27] <pnhChris>
but no errors
- [23:23:54] <trovster>
KevinMarks: ?
- [23:25:01] <trovster>
Oops, I thought I'd uploaded the fixed #fragment_id for the comments,
- [23:30:44] <trovster>
Now, I should link to the parsing URL and link the atom in the header...
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [23:47:51] <trovster>
I've tried to import the calendar from technorati, and it only imports two. The one it doesn't is missing an end time, is this why it won't import?
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