IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-30
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- [00:00:01] <factoryjoe>
that's true
- [00:00:18] <factoryjoe>
one <dt> to many <dd>'s
- [00:00:29] <factoryjoe>
or one <dt> to one or more <dd>'s
- [00:00:58] <bewes1>
so <dd> refers to the most recent <dt>
- [00:01:21] <bewes1>
so for example if you wanted to do hAtom feeds
- [00:01:56] <bewes1>
<dt class="hfeed"> <dd class="hentry></dd> <!-- many more <dd> --> </dt> would be good
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- [00:03:07] <qid>
er... I'm not sure that's how it's structured
- [00:03:21] <bewes1>
better than say <dl> <dt><dd> <ul> <li class="hentry"> </li> <!-- many more <li>-- > </dd></dt> </dl> and then wondering if the <dt> or <ul> should be the hfeed
- [00:03:29] <qid>
isn't dt closed before any dd's?
- [00:03:38] <bewes1>
yes
- [00:03:46] <bewes1>
ah
- [00:03:58] <bewes1>
so it is better the way I just suggested?
- [00:04:00] <bewes1>
hmm
- [00:04:07] <qid>
and why do you want your weblog entries in a definition list?
- [00:04:20] <bewes1>
erm
- [00:04:23] <qid>
wouldn't an ol be more appropriate?
- [00:04:32] <bewes1>
hmm
- [00:04:37] <bewes1>
no, not in this case
- [00:04:52] <bewes1>
this isn't truly a blog
- [00:05:06] <qid>
oh
- [00:05:21] <bewes1>
I'm working on this note taking system
- [00:05:27] <bewes1>
I have a daemon that takes notes
- [00:05:35] <bewes1>
a note is a very simple plain text file
- [00:05:43] <bewes1>
a parseable date, a tag, and a message
- [00:06:00] <bewes1>
they get parsed, and then filed away according to a dictionary file
- [00:06:15] <bewes1>
that contains a map of tag -> project path
- [00:06:23] <bewes1>
and saved as /path/to/project/.project
- [00:06:31] <bewes1>
they also get put in ~/.plain
- [00:06:33] <bewes1>
erm
- [00:06:39] <bewes1>
~/.plan
- [00:06:59] <bewes1>
I also have a script that searches the project areas and can output the notes
- [00:07:05] <bewes1>
json, xhtml, or plain text formatting
- [00:07:21] <bewes1>
I figued while i'm doing XHTML might as well try for hAtom
- [00:07:43] <bewes1>
then I have some javascript which transcludes it on a wiki page
- [00:07:56] <qid>
interesting
- [00:08:24] <bewes1>
unfortunately it's all work stuff and behind lots of firewalls
- [00:08:47] <bewes1>
anyway, the xhtml listing lists several categories/tags
- [00:08:51] <bewes1>
hence the<dl>
- [00:09:22] <bewes1>
<dl> <dt>tag</dt> <dd> list of entries for that tag </dd>
- [00:09:34] <bewes1>
so I suppose <dd> should be the hfeed
- [00:09:36] <bewes1>
erm
- [00:09:42] <bewes1>
or rather I should us a <ul> in the dd
- [00:09:49] <bewes1>
and either the <dd> or the <ul> is the hfeed
- [00:10:15] <bewes1>
was thinking for a moment that it could be mutliple <dd>'s mapped to it's <dt>
- [00:10:28] <bewes1>
but as you said, if hentries must be contained by the hfeed that won't work
- [00:11:58] <bewes1>
actually, I don't see anything in the wiki supporting that proposition
- [00:12:06] <bewes1>
seems logical though
- [00:12:36] <bewes1>
is the constraint of an hentry being contained by an hfeed just missing from the wiki or not a requirement?
- [00:13:41] <briansuda>
if there is no hfeed then it is assumed to be the <body>
- [00:14:24] <bewes1>
if there is an hfeed, must the hentries belonging to the feed be enclosed by it?
- [00:15:25] <briansuda>
if they are not enclosed, then they are not entries, they are just CSS styles with the same name
- [00:15:36] <bewes1>
<dt class="hfeed"><h3>My Project</h3></dt> <dd class="hentry">post 1</dd> <dd class="hentry">post 2</dd>
- [00:15:38] <briansuda>
the only way around it is to use the include-pattern
- [00:15:44] <bewes1>
so that won't work?
- [00:16:00] * bewes1 checks on legitemacy of h3 inside dt
- [00:16:14] <briansuda>
no
- [00:16:23] <briansuda>
that won't work
- [00:16:31] <bewes1>
pity
- [00:16:32] <briansuda>
if you put the class="hfeed" on the dl then it would
- [00:16:57] <bewes1>
ok but I've got a list of hfeed's
- [00:17:24] <briansuda>
then you could have multiple DLs?
- [00:17:54] <bewes1>
qid: (in my case the order is implied by the date, but other than that the order of entries listed is unspecified, which is why no <ol>)
- [00:18:20] <bewes1>
or rather, I could attempt to parse the date and put them in order, but I'm too lazy for that just yet
- [00:19:23] <bewes1>
multiple dl's seems lame
- [00:20:09] <bewes1>
think I'll go with dl dt dd ul(hfeed) li(hentry) type of thing
- [00:21:15] <bewes1>
I also tried putting some stuff in CDATA blocks to ensure that it would look the same in plain text and rended XML, but the wiki serves the document as text/html
- [00:21:28] <bewes1>
which evidently means CDATA gets converted to a comment
- [00:21:51] <bewes1>
as in viewing selected source reveals <!-- instead of <![CDATA
- [00:21:58] <briansuda>
i can't help you on that one...
- [00:21:58] <bewes1>
wild...
- [00:23:07] <bewes1>
could try an alternative approach like <span class="encode-me"> <haha bad ></span>
- [00:23:19] <bewes1>
and fix it before insertion
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[[User:AndrewTurner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:AndrewTurner&diff=0&oldid=7806 * AndrewTurner * (+22)
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[[picoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=7810 * AndrewTurner * (+1580) Add picoformats "Problem Statement" from Mailing list ideas
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=7812 * Leadegroot * (+169) Examples in the wild -
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[[citation-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-faq&diff=0&oldid=7813 * Tantek * (+937) added some formatting and implied questions and answered one too
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wow, i get-up and check my email and there has been a flurry of activity on the mailing list!
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[[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=7814 * ChristopheDucamp * (-6275)
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[[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=7815 * ChristopheDucamp * (-176)
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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[[what-are-microformats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-are-microformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7830 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1832)
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[[what-are-microformats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-are-microformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7831 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1)
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[[hresume-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-fr&diff=0&oldid=7832 * ChristopheDucamp * (+548) Implémentations -
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=7834 * ChristopheDucamp * (-7749) [fr:add Citycita]
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=7835 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) Citycita -
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=7837 * Sardinia * (+123)
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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[[hcalendar-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=0&oldid=7838 * ChristopheDucamp * (+513)
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[[geo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-fr&diff=0&oldid=7841 * ChristopheDucamp * (+383) Implémentations -
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[picoformats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7842 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1875)
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[[picoformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=7843 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) typo
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[[picoformats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7844 * ChristopheDucamp * (+207)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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hey ajturner
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how goes it?
- [21:11:54] <ajturner>
hi factoryjoe!
- [21:12:16] <ajturner>
well, the internet is slower than a mule in the artic (or something like that)
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up and down
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did you see my message re: picoformats to the mf list?
- [21:13:03] <factoryjoe>
yep
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i sent it on to andy stack
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Hola!
- [21:13:44] <ajturner>
ah, good deal - I see Mozes already does a lot of similar stuff
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[[citation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=7845 * FredStutzman * (+1181) BibTeX - Adding practical examples of software that supports the bib format.
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right
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so how goes it with you?
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Is FredStutzman in IRC?
- [21:18:32] <factoryjoe>
fstutzman
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somewhere
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ajturner: busy busy
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;)
- [21:18:43] <factoryjoe>
you?
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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[[chat-formats-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/chat-formats-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+14897)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[chat-brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/chat-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2333)
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[[chat-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7846 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3)
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[[resume-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7847 * ChristopheDucamp * (+31) Analyse -
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but well, you're right. html *is* a more pragmatic approach to it
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ok
- [22:20:14] <factoryjoe>
yes
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and in terms of getting adoption
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html already wins
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but it's like 2001-php vs 2005-ror you know ?
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standardizing on xml is nearly impossible across the web
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WildFox is Mr. KDOM. Co-author of kdom, ksvg and kcanvas.
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RR is the ideal proponent of mF
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since it deals w/ data views
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each mF is essentially a view
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indeed. in my mind it's more of a model...
- [22:23:02] <factoryjoe>
well
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i guess it spans the two
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heh
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it's a "model-view"
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it's an app :)
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[[resume-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7848 * ChristopheDucamp * (+389) Application des microformats actuels -
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hrm
- [22:25:46] <factoryjoe>
not really
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well, i mean the mF part
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yeah sure. it's a stupid joke. we said just a minute ago that the *tool* was the good part of mFs - making in the "controller" maybe ? :p now there's your app.
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s/in/it
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;)
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btw
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check this out: http://www.giannim.com/blog/index.php?page_id=13
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woo, sexy
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ok, well have to run
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k. see ya
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[[resume-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7849 * ChristopheDucamp * (+654) Brainstorming Session 2005-11-10 -
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[[resume-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7850 * ChristopheDucamp * (+262) Plan de Strawman -
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[[resume-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7852 * ChristopheDucamp * (+193) Titres de Job -
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[[resume-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=7853 * ChristopheDucamp * (+53)
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[[citation-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+4311)
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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