IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-05

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  9. [03:32:50] <jibot> Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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  13. [04:44:53] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  16. [04:54:40] <pnhChris> all the individual pages at chunkysoup.net that were marked up with hatom are now setup to go through a local proxy... seems to be working just dandy
  17. [04:55:39] <pnhChris> e.g. watch "This Page's Atom Feed" to see edits to this page... http://chunkysoup.net/extras/zeitgeist/
  18. [05:03:40] <mfbot> [[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=8006 * AndrewTurner * (+53) Implementations -
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  23. [07:26:59] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  27. [09:51:29] <mfbot> [[geo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-fr&diff=0&oldid=8007 * ChristopheDucamp * (+297) Implémentations -
  28. [09:52:05] <mfbot> [[geo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-fr&diff=0&oldid=8008 * ChristopheDucamp * (-240) Implémentations -
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  32. [10:50:34] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=8010 * ChristopheDucamp * (+60) Propriétés Singulières vs. Plurielles -
  33. [10:54:45] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=8011 * ChristopheDucamp * (+307) Nouveaux Exemples -
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  37. [11:01:03] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=8013 * ChristopheDucamp * (+38) Outils & et Tests de Cas & Recherche Supplémentaire -
  38. [11:01:19] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=8014 * ChristopheDucamp * (-2) Outils & et Tests de Cas & Recherche Supplémentaire -
  39. [11:30:52] <drewinthehead> random thought ... microformat cheatsheet dashboard widget please! :)
  40. [12:57:48] <qid> firefox sidebar!
  41. [12:58:59] <drewinthehead> that too!
  42. [12:59:26] <drewinthehead> perhaps if we put the data in a nice format somewhere online, it could enable both (+ more)
  43. [13:00:40] <qid> hCheatsheet... *ponders*
  44. [13:00:40] <drewinthehead> briansuda's cheatsheet format is good, and could be represented in XOXO, probably
  45. [13:01:20] <drewinthehead> i could make a panel for Dreamweaver too
  46. [13:02:07] <qid> oh wait, it's a PDF... for some reason I thought it was HTML
  47. [13:03:11] <qid> but yeah, looks like the bulk of it is a list, then there's a table and a key
  48. [13:03:23] <ajturner> dashboard widgets are really easy to make
  49. [13:03:40] <drewinthehead> yes, i've done a couple myself
  50. [13:03:47] <drewinthehead> just html+css :)
  51. [13:03:58] <drewinthehead> + javascript
  52. [13:04:01] <ajturner> 'zactly
  53. [13:04:33] <ajturner> just make some tabs across the top for type of format
  54. [13:04:39] <drewinthehead> if we got the cheatsheet data as HTML lists, that would enable lots of applications
  55. [13:04:45] <ajturner> and then be able to copy the example format out
  56. [13:04:48] <drewinthehead> or a select box, ajturner
  57. [13:04:54] <ajturner> sure
  58. [13:05:21] <drewinthehead> could even do a drop-in HTML module for CMSs like WP
  59. [13:05:23] <qid> I'm typing that cheat sheet up now, unless it already exists as HTML somewhere
  60. [13:05:57] <drewinthehead> i don't think it does exist as HTML
  61. [13:06:09] <ajturner> well, just something as a simple as an example hCard, event, adr ,that the user could then fill in the data and rearrange on their own
  62. [13:07:39] <ajturner> but if you did want to be slick, just have the widget able to read in some config file (XOXO or whatever) and then display the info from that
  63. [13:07:49] <ajturner> so people could quickly add/remove formats they cared about
  64. [13:08:02] <drewinthehead> right .. i think it's important that it uses 'live' data
  65. [13:08:10] <drewinthehead> so mistakes can be corrected etc
  66. [13:08:20] <drewinthehead> brb
  67. [13:08:22] <ajturner> could pull from an online file
  68. [13:08:38] <ajturner> or local - just make it option on the widget backside to point to a url/file
  69. [13:12:18] <qid> o...k... samba just threw up in my face, I'll have to try rebooting
  70. [13:14:48] <drewinthehead> having a nicely structured list of all the data is a good starting point ... then any number of applications can make use of it
  71. [13:18:02] <drewinthehead> i guess the top level list has all the microformats and patterns, each tagged with elemental, compound or pattern
  72. [13:19:54] <ajturner> sounds good -keep it simple first
  73. [13:22:41] <qid> I'll post up a copy of what I'm working on in a second, stuck doing sysadminy things right now
  74. [13:22:52] <ajturner> bbiab
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  76. [13:35:37] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  77. [13:35:45] <drewinthehead> hey pnhChris
  78. [13:35:49] <pnhChris> hola
  79. [13:36:06] <drewinthehead> we just came up with a nice idea for the cheatsheet
  80. [13:36:41] <pnhChris> btw.. right there with you on the wmail you just sent...see comments in the file i sent :P
  81. [13:36:55] <drewinthehead> yup yup :)
  82. [13:38:05] <drewinthehead> the idea we just had here is to make an HTML version of the cheatsheet data, as a nice structured list - then people can use it to build dashboard widgets, reference panels and all sorts
  83. [13:38:20] <pnhChris> hCheat, huh
  84. [13:38:32] * pnhChris is skimming the chat logs
  85. [13:39:33] <qid> http://24.51.162.4:8080/drop/microformats-cheat-sheet.html <-- that's what I managed to write so far, between windows refusing to talk to my linux server and dns behaving inconsistently
  86. [13:41:05] <qid> the linux server can resolve my dyndns entry; the windows machine can't; they're both using the same DNS server
  87. [13:42:34] <drewinthehead> not working from here, qid
  88. [13:42:51] <pnhChris> here either
  89. [13:46:16] <qid> ...
  90. [13:46:23] * qid cries
  91. [13:48:16] <qid> let me guess, my ISP cut off port 8080 as well
  92. [13:52:55] <qid> now I have to rebuild tcpdump to try to figure out why this isn't working because it was linked against an older copy of openssl... this is like a comedy of errors
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  94. [14:06:37] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
  95. [14:06:47] * tantek scrolls up
  96. [14:07:02] <tantek> the dashboard widget cheatsheet idea sounds interesting
  97. [14:07:16] <tantek> would it make sense to have dashboard versions of the creators?
  98. [14:07:29] <drewinthehead> maybe
  99. [14:07:34] <tantek> since those are simply HTML+CSS+javascript
  100. [14:07:49] <drewinthehead> but bulkier than the average widget
  101. [14:07:51] <tantek> you could make a supercreator with tabs for each format
  102. [14:11:20] <drewinthehead> that'd certainly be possible
  103. [14:12:14] <tantek> do widgets allow object/iframes?
  104. [14:12:32] <drewinthehead> personally my pain-point is quick reference
  105. [14:12:33] <tantek> could you dynamically load the creator from the site and thus not need to update the widget when the creator changes?
  106. [14:12:45] <drewinthehead> not sure about iframes .. they certainly support ajax
  107. [14:14:18] <drewinthehead> i think perhaps we'd need redesigned creators to take up less space
  108. [14:14:57] <tantek> yes
  109. [14:15:08] <tantek> the creators could definitely use some layout design
  110. [14:15:23] <tantek> since neither myself nor Ryan have focussed on that aspect at all
  111. [14:16:01] <tantek> in fact, if you wanted to iterate on the creators themselves drew, and tighten up their HTML+CSS, that would be very cool
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  113. [14:17:37] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
  114. [14:17:49] <drewinthehead> perhaps that job would be better suited to someone with design skills, tantek
  115. [14:18:13] <tantek> you're too modest drew
  116. [14:22:14] <drewinthehead> na, i'm just good at copying :)
  117. [14:26:00] <drewinthehead> hmm .. i've broken IM urls in hKit somehow
  118. [14:26:40] <drewinthehead> http://tools.microformatic.com/query/plain/hkit/http://allinthehead.com/about
  119. [14:26:58] <qid> well. that was entertaining.
  120. [14:27:02] <drewinthehead> they're getting snagged up in the link resolving code
  121. [14:27:02] <qid> http://acetylene.ath.cx:8080/drop/microformats-cheat-sheet.html <-- try it now
  122. [14:27:17] <drewinthehead> hooray qid!
  123. [14:28:23] <drewinthehead> perhaps the whole lot could be in a list structure, qid ... instead of the headings, make that a top-level list
  124. [14:29:04] <plaes> hmm.. this page triggers a rendering bug with Gecko engine.. :P
  125. [14:29:21] <plaes> anyone with Firefox?
  126. [14:29:21] <qid> ok
  127. [14:29:27] <qid> I have firefox
  128. [14:31:59] <plaes> ah.. damn.. my bad..
  129. [14:32:21] * plaes needs sleep...
  130. [14:32:41] <plaes> these empty bullets tricked me...
  131. [14:34:08] <qid> drewinthehead: like now? (ignore design patterns section) or did you mean the entire page?
  132. [14:34:55] <drewinthehead> qid: yes, like that :)
  133. [14:35:53] <drewinthehead> you could link each microformat name to its wiki page and rel="tag" it as elemental, compound or pattern
  134. [14:36:24] <qid> xfolk tag the link?
  135. [14:36:29] <drewinthehead> (btw, not suggesting this is something you have to do all yourself with no help!)
  136. [14:36:58] <drewinthehead> yes, i think xfolk would be ok
  137. [14:38:09] <drewinthehead> the other thing to capture would be the stuff in the key at the bottom .. perhaps with a class on the LI
  138. [14:38:19] <qid> doesn't seem to be a wiki entry for design patterns in general
  139. [14:38:46] <drewinthehead> hmm
  140. [14:39:20] <drewinthehead> http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page#Design_Patterns
  141. [14:39:35] <drewinthehead> not ideal
  142. [14:41:40] <qid> well that would tag it as Main_Page, right?
  143. [14:41:55] <drewinthehead> yes, in that instance
  144. [14:42:21] <drewinthehead> perhaps there should be a design-patterns page
  145. [14:43:45] <qid> sounds like a good idea, drew
  146. [14:43:50] <qid> :-)
  147. [14:44:32] <drewinthehead> thoughts, tantek? i'm not sure it's healthy to have that information in two places just for the sake of having a nice URL to reference
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  149. [14:45:38] <qid> there already exist pages for elemental and compound formats, I imagine the design patterns page would parallel those
  150. [14:50:02] <tantek> drew, if you want you could put the design patterns into a template
  151. [14:50:10] <tantek> and then include them *both* into a separate page and the main page
  152. [14:50:19] <tantek> that way for editing purposes the information would still be in one place
  153. [14:50:33] <drewinthehead> ah, great - i didn't realise that functionality existed
  154. [14:51:49] <drewinthehead> got it .. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template
  155. [14:55:00] <qid> elemental uf's are now linked to the wiki pages and tagged as elemental-microformat
  156. [14:55:43] <qid> rel-directory is tagged as a draft using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_document
  157. [15:02:07] <mfbot> [[Template:design patterns]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:design_patterns * DrewMcLellan * (+490)
  158. [15:03:08] <mfbot> [[design-patterns]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/design-patterns * DrewMcLellan * (+40)
  159. [15:04:49] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8015 * DrewMcLellan * (-385) Design Patterns -
  160. [15:05:30] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8016 * DrewMcLellan * (-1) Design Patterns -
  161. [15:05:50] <drewinthehead> qid: here's your page http://microformats.org/wiki/design-patterns
  162. [15:08:00] <qid> k, thanks
  163. [15:20:44] <qid> elementals and design patterns should be done, compounds are listed and tagged but no content yet
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  165. [15:21:07] <drewinthehead> awesome
  166. [15:22:08] <qid> I'll do adr and take a break
  167. [15:23:26] <drewinthehead> good work so far :)
  168. [15:24:51] <qid> I think that should work for adr, not sure if the common values for type should be marked up in some way
  169. [15:28:24] <drewinthehead> hmm
  170. [15:28:45] <drewinthehead> i guess you could nest them at another level
  171. [15:28:55] <drewinthehead> class="options"
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  175. [16:25:27] <jibot> Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
  176. [16:26:05] <Jonnay> mornin folks
  177. [16:26:17] <drewinthehead> hola
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  181. [16:49:48] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  187. [17:33:27] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  194. [17:57:55] * tantek_ is checking in at WordCamp. Any other microformatters here?
  195. [17:59:12] * hober is here
  196. [18:00:29] * tantek_ is in the back row of the main hall
  197. [18:02:17] * hober is in the last row of fold-up chairs, on the right
  198. [18:02:59] <tantek_> hober, with the red cap?
  199. [18:03:35] <hober> yup
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  206. [18:16:29] <qid> http://acetylene.ath.cx:8080/drop/microformats-cheat-sheet.html <-- more progress, geo and hAtom converted, comments/suggestions encouraged
  207. [18:19:12] <drewinthehead> good going, qid
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  209. [18:22:53] <qid> not sure how I want to mark things for the key... a class on the <li> would work well but wouldn't match the styling of the PDF
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  211. [18:35:42] <mfbot> [[press]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=8017 * Tantek * (+205) add Knowledge at Wharton 1 year anniversary article
  212. [18:36:29] <tantek> qid, very cool on the cheat sheet
  213. [18:36:42] <tantek> I'm wondering if it would be possible to abbreviate the use of rel vs. class
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  215. [18:36:49] <tantek> in order to make it even shorter and simpler
  216. [18:39:50] <qid> could do "implied class optimization" where the value is assumed to be a class unless indicated otherwise
  217. [18:47:43] <tantek> qid, great idea
  218. [18:48:23] <mfbot> [[press]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=8018 * Tantek * (+3) tighten it up a bit
  219. [18:49:13] <qid> I think I'll drop this into svn before I make that change
  220. [18:51:08] <qid> ....and now subversion doesn't work
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  224. [19:05:53] <qid> o.O
  225. [19:05:57] <qid> new url: http://acetylene.ath.cx:8080/microformats/microformats-cheat-sheet.html
  226. [19:06:32] <tantek> implied classes?
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  228. [19:11:51] <qid> yeah
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  230. [19:12:09] <jibot> dotBen is Ben Metcalfe & blogging at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & not at BarCampNYC & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk - the BBC's developer network & fair & balanced, like Fox News
  231. [19:17:39] <drewinthehead> ?def dotBen is & needs to update his definition
  232. [19:17:40] <jibot> dotBen is Ben Metcalfe & blogging at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & not at BarCampNYC & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk - the BBC's developer network & fair & balanced, like Fox News & needs to update his definition
  233. [19:19:56] * drewinthehead is now known as drewinthehead_
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  235. [19:21:11] <tantek> qid, check this out: http://www.feedblog.org/2006/08/new_rule_for_st.html
  236. [19:21:52] <tantek> it would be awesome if we could layout the cheatsheet so that it fits on a single sheet of paper (double sided if necessary) that can be folded up and kept in a wallett
  237. [19:24:55] <drewinthehead> tantek, the objective is for this html version to serve as a datasource for all sorts of transformations, so that'd totally be possible
  238. [19:25:01] <drewinthehead> print stylesheet, even
  239. [19:25:03] <drewinthehead> out.
  240. [19:25:37] <tantek> yes print stylesheet!
  241. [19:25:40] <tantek> that would totally rock
  242. [19:31:22] <qid> I added classes to indicate required, optional, single, multiple
  243. [19:31:40] <qid> implied default is optional single
  244. [19:32:19] <qid> took a few seconds to get it to style them properly
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  246. [19:34:08] <qid> not sure if we should replicate that table down the right side
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  248. [19:56:18] <bytee_> hi. i have a quick question. how does the vCard format differ from the hCard format ?
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  251. [20:05:38] <qid> vCard is a plain text format, hCard is an adaptation of vCard that works in (X)HTML
  252. [20:06:06] <qid> they're the same format, just represented differently
  253. [20:06:32] <ajturner> qid - anything to show yet?
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  255. [20:06:46] <jibot> _fil_ is co-author of SPIP (www.spip.net) and works on implementing microformats in it
  256. [20:06:54] <ajturner> (just saw your most recent link)
  257. [20:06:58] <qid> ajturner: http://acetylene.ath.cx:8080/microformats/microformats-cheat-sheet.html
  258. [20:07:27] <qid> there's a document there, go ahead and take a look
  259. [20:08:03] <ajturner> Are you going to make an "example" sheet that instead of the listing of all the options is just a filled out hCard example?
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  261. [20:11:31] <qid> I could, but I'm not sure I see what good that does... there are examples on the wiki already, right?
  262. [20:11:41] <ajturner> this is a cheatsheet though?
  263. [20:11:49] <ajturner> these standards are also on the website :)
  264. [20:15:14] <qid> well, this wasn't my idea, I just did the work
  265. [20:15:52] <ajturner> it's great - don't get me wrong. just thought it would include examples - so I could copy/paste and then just replace the filler text with my actual text
  266. [20:16:13] <qid> oh, I see
  267. [20:16:52] <qid> well I'm not sure how well that would even work
  268. [20:17:36] <qid> I mean, you ought to be able to just put classes on existing elements and add in a minimal number of divs/spans as necessary
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  271. [20:17:48] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
  272. [20:18:21] <qid> so I would imagine the instances where you could actually copy & paste a microformat "template" and just fill in your own data would not be all that numerous
  273. [20:18:25] <ajturner> but when I'm writing a blog post -and want to put it an hCard or something, then copying a currently marked up example and then replacing NAME and ORG with the appropriate name would be nice
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  275. [20:18:45] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  276. [20:18:48] <ajturner> well, what's the most common case - someone is changing existing text, or writing new text? don't know
  277. [20:19:06] <qid> yeah, but you see how big hCard is, you'll spend more time cutting out the stuff you won't use than it would take to type it up yourself
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  280. [20:19:20] <qid> changing existing text I suspect
  281. [20:19:32] <ajturner> hrm, I find deleting faster than typing <span class="">stuff</span>
  282. [20:19:50] <qid> after all, microformats are supposed to be modeled on existing behavior
  283. [20:19:59] <ajturner> guess it depends, I guess I'll put together my own cheatsheet ;) put my efforts where my mouth is
  284. [20:20:01] <qid> which implies existing content
  285. [20:20:25] <ajturner> personally, I'm writing new more than modifying existing, but that's my case
  286. [20:20:59] <ajturner> also, when I go to the wiki, the first place I go is usually the examples
  287. [20:21:18] <ajturner> which is probably a bad habit, but the most pragmatic
  288. [20:21:43] <qid> well, the cheat sheet right now is kind of an example without all that pesky sample data
  289. [20:22:53] <ajturner> not really, there isn't actually a mf used
  290. [20:23:00] <ajturner> except XOXO ;)
  291. [20:23:19] <ajturner> anyways - great work, will be very useful
  292. [20:24:51] <ajturner> I wonder if there is already a Dashboard widget that parses XOXO into something widget-pretty
  293. [20:24:59] <tantek> that would be cool
  294. [20:25:27] <qid> I meant the content of the cheat sheet, not the markup of the cheat sheet
  295. [20:25:38] <qid> and the cheat sheet itself also uses xfolk :-p
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  297. [20:28:53] <bytee_> qid: thanks!
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  304. [21:02:54] <dotBen> ?cool
  305. [21:03:41] <dotBen> ?def dotben
  306. [21:03:41] <jibot> dotben is Ben Metcalfe & blogging at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & not at BarCampNYC & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk - the BBC's developer network & fair & balanced, like Fox News & needs to update his definition
  307. [21:06:51] <dotBen> ?forgetme
  308. [21:06:52] <jibot> I have expunged dotBen from my mind
  309. [21:07:00] <dotBen> ?def dotBen is dotben is Ben Metcalfe & CTO + Grassroots Architect of Citizen Agency (http://citizenagency.com) with Tara and Chris & blogs at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & was the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk
  310. [21:07:00] <jibot> dotBen is dotben is Ben Metcalfe & CTO + Grassroots Architect of Citizen Agency (http://citizenagency.com) with Tara & Chris & blogs at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & was the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk
  311. [21:07:02] <dotBen> - the BBC's developer network & fair + balanced, like Fox News (which has a secret irony)
  312. [21:07:33] <dotBen> ?forgetme
  313. [21:07:34] <jibot> I have expunged dotBen from my mind
  314. [21:07:47] <dotBen> ?def dotben is Ben Metcalfe & CTO + Grassroots Architect of Citizen Agency (http://citizenagency.com) with Tara and Chris & blogs at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & was the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk -...
  315. [21:07:47] <jibot> dotben is Ben Metcalfe & CTO + Grassroots Architect of Citizen Agency (http://citizenagency.com) with Tara & Chris & blogs at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & was the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk -...
  316. [21:07:48] <dotBen> ...the BBC's developer network & fair + balanced, like Fox News (which has a secret irony)
  317. [21:08:04] <dotBen> ?def dotben is & fair + balanced, like Fox News (which has a secret irony)
  318. [21:08:04] <jibot> dotben is Ben Metcalfe & CTO + Grassroots Architect of Citizen Agency (http://citizenagency.com) with Tara & Chris & blogs at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & was the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk -... & fair + balanced, like Fox News (which has
  319. [21:08:34] <dotBen> ?forget dotben is & fair + balanced, like Fox News (which has
  320. [21:08:34] <jibot> I did not know dotben was fair + balanced, like Fox News (which has
  321. [21:08:46] <dotBen> ?forgetme
  322. [21:08:47] <jibot> I have expunged dotBen from my mind
  323. [21:08:53] <dotBen> ?def dotben is Ben Metcalfe & CTO + Grassroots Architect of Citizen Agency (http://citizenagency.com) with Tara & Chris & blogs at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & was the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk
  324. [21:08:53] <jibot> dotben is Ben Metcalfe & CTO + Grassroots Architect of Citizen Agency (http://citizenagency.com) with Tara & Chris & blogs at http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/ & civil to mena http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70863244/ & the guy who likes to say bullshit & prone to shouting "Bullshit" in IRC Backchannels & does not like Apple computers & was the man behind http://backstage.bbc.co.uk
  325. [21:09:02] <dotBen> sorry folks, all done now
  326. [21:25:02] <tantek> archive for posterity dotben ;)
  327. [21:25:05] <tantek> archived even
  328. [21:25:44] <dotBen> what?
  329. [21:26:25] <dotBen> man the JIBOT has limit I see. I wonder whether it can suffer a buffer over-run?
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  334. [21:49:11] <jibot> _fil_ is co-author of SPIP (www.spip.net) and works on implementing microformats in it
  335. [21:59:10] <tantek> hello _fil_
  336. [22:03:06] <hober> hcal + wordpress + pingerati == happiness
  337. [22:03:36] <hober> crazy delicious even
  338. [22:08:55] <mfbot> [[citation-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=8019 * TerrellRussell * (-1) Comparison chart -
  339. [22:09:20] <tantek> yeah, Erica rocks. she's working on adding hCalendar + pingerati support to the CountDown plugin
  340. [22:09:51] <tantek> and Bill Humpries already successfully added hAtom to Kubrick
  341. [22:09:51] <mfbot> [[citation-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=8020 * TerrellRussell * (+2) Dublin Core Metadata -
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  343. [22:10:27] <mfbot> [[citation-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=8021 * TerrellRussell * (+1) MODS (Metadata Object Description Schema) -
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  345. [22:54:58] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  349. [23:21:24] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  354. [23:44:09] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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