IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-29

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  2. [00:26:47] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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  12. [01:53:30] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  16. [02:02:12] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  23. [02:25:58] <mfbot> [[press]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=8311 * John Allsopp * (+198) August -
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  26. [02:53:10] <trel1023> ?learn trel1023 is Terrell Russell of <a href="http://claimid.com/people">claimID.com</a> and <a href="http://weblog.terrellrussell.com">This Old Network</a>.
  27. [02:53:11] <jibot> trel1023 is Terrell Russell of <a href="http://claimid.com/people">claimID.com</a> and <a href="http://weblog.terrellrussell.com">This Old Network</a>.
  28. [02:54:13] <trel1023> hm, one more time...
  29. [02:57:06] <trel1023> ?learn trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
  30. [02:57:06] <jibot> trel1023 is Terrell Russell of <a href="http://claimid.com/people">claimID.com</a> and <a href="http://weblog.terrellrussell.com">This Old Network</a>. and Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
  31. [02:57:11] <trel1023> ?forgetme
  32. [02:57:11] <jibot> I have expunged trel1023 from my mind
  33. [02:57:14] <trel1023> ?learn trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
  34. [02:57:15] <jibot> trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
  35. [02:57:26] <trel1023> alright, documentation
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  44. [06:31:10] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  49. [07:21:52] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  54. [07:53:28] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  58. [08:24:15] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  63. [08:28:18] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  73. [09:30:46] <mfbot> [[rel-license-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license-ja&diff=0&oldid=8312 * IwaiMasaharu * (+27) 日本語表現の更新
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  77. [10:03:04] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  82. [10:18:07] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  96. [11:13:17] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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  103. [12:12:21] <jibot> Whafro is a designer/developer and standardista for Grassroots Enterprise in Washington, DC
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  105. [12:17:24] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  111. [12:50:09] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  113. [12:52:14] <drewinthehead> greetings
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  115. [13:07:19] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=8313 * 1wilfred1972 * (+293) Examples in the wild -
  116. [13:07:50] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=8314 * 1wilfred1972 * (+1) Examples in the wild -
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  121. [13:34:30] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  127. [13:54:51] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  129. [13:56:16] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  136. [14:03:45] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  138. [14:03:48] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  146. [14:24:29] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent&diff=0&oldid=8315 * DavidRandall * (+51) Attending -
  147. [14:24:50] <Phae> oh. exciting
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  149. [14:36:52] <briansuda> drewinthehead, is the best-guess web service alive somewhere?
  150. [14:37:36] <trovster> On microformatic.com
  151. [14:39:33] <briansuda> i think yesterday i was getting "be back soon"
  152. [14:39:49] <briansuda> thanks
  153. [14:40:46] <drewinthehead> http://tools.microformatic.com/help/xhtml/best-guess/
  154. [14:43:14] <briansuda> i think i was using the plural http://tools.microformatics.com/
  155. [14:44:24] <drewinthehead> ah yes .. still need to implement a special briansuda redirect :)
  156. [14:44:42] <briansuda> bozzo/idiot filter
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  164. [15:54:13] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  166. [15:58:54] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  167. [16:00:59] <Phae> make it to work today drew?
  168. [16:01:16] <drewinthehead> nope, i'm booked out until tomorrow :)
  169. [16:01:25] <Phae> ohh
  170. [16:01:26] <Phae> ok
  171. [16:01:29] <drewinthehead> a day to recover and wash clothes ;)
  172. [16:01:48] <Phae> Well, that's fortunate. I had a forced day off due to the train strikes.
  173. [16:01:58] <drewinthehead> ah, nasty
  174. [16:02:04] <Phae> mmhmm
  175. [16:03:10] <drewinthehead> where are you based now?
  176. [16:03:18] <Phae> I live in Twickenham.
  177. [16:03:30] <Phae> No trains going to or from today though.
  178. [16:03:34] <Phae> They shut the station!
  179. [16:03:34] <drewinthehead> ah ha ... i was in Twickenham earlier
  180. [16:03:38] <Phae> ah
  181. [16:03:54] <drewinthehead> at the tv studios
  182. [16:04:01] <Phae> I'm not sure where that is.
  183. [16:04:15] <drewinthehead> opposite the station, i think
  184. [16:04:23] <Phae> That big ugly brown building?
  185. [16:04:38] <drewinthehead> sounds right
  186. [16:04:41] <Phae> heh
  187. [16:04:57] <Phae> I live about 10 mins from there.
  188. [16:05:21] <Phae> This BarCamp business. Is anyone actually doing the "camp" part?
  189. [16:05:29] <Phae> And I don't mean in a pink feather boa way.
  190. [16:06:02] <drewinthehead> i'm sure some will
  191. [16:06:14] <drewinthehead> i'll be heading home to a proper bed.
  192. [16:06:26] <Phae> mm.. That's what I was thinking. I'm close enough to just go home.
  193. [16:15:50] <tantek> Phae, usually it's a mix
  194. [16:16:05] * tantek wanders over to #barcamp
  195. [16:17:09] <gsnedders> BarCamp? where?
  196. [16:17:18] <Phae> London
  197. [16:17:29] * gsnedders tries to get himself dragged down south
  198. [16:18:00] * gsnedders thinks it's pointless to even ask his parents
  199. [16:18:12] <Phae> It's fully booked up anyway. :(
  200. [16:18:21] <gsnedders> heh.
  201. [16:18:21] <Phae> So unless you're super lucky and a lot drop out.
  202. [16:18:42] <gsnedders> well, with the cost of getting down south nowadays being so high, it's pointless
  203. [16:19:38] <trovster> gsnedders: Where are you located, then?
  204. [16:19:43] <gsnedders> trovster: Fife
  205. [16:19:49] <trovster> ah, nevermind then :)
  206. [16:19:53] <Phae> heh
  207. [16:20:04] <gsnedders> as in, quite a way away from London :P
  208. [16:20:26] <trovster> Yeh, most of the UK is away from London..
  209. [16:20:34] * gsnedders has a French essay to write for school for tomorrow.
  210. [16:20:37] <gsnedders> maybe I should start it…
  211. [16:20:50] * gsnedders has had the whole summer holidays to do it.
  212. [16:21:40] <drewinthehead> mais oui.
  213. [16:21:51] <gsnedders> it doesn't have to be that long, though.
  214. [16:22:02] <Phae> heh
  215. [16:22:03] <gsnedders> should be do able in under an hour
  216. [16:22:03] <Phae> tsk tsk
  217. [16:22:30] * gsnedders thinks the Scottish Secondary School system is stupid
  218. [16:23:18] <gsnedders> having been to a prep school, I get moved up a year, I then miss almost all the first year I'm at the secondary school through CFS, and I'm still near top of the year
  219. [16:23:23] <gsnedders> oh, and I'm dyspraxic.
  220. [16:23:47] <Phae> A friend of mine at school was dyspraxic.
  221. [16:24:05] <Phae> An amazing artist, mind you.
  222. [16:24:05] * gsnedders can do languages… as long as they follow strict logic
  223. [16:24:21] <gsnedders> like, unlike any human language.
  224. [16:24:28] <gsnedders> but like things like XML
  225. [16:24:48] <gsnedders> human languages always have rules… then break them!
  226. [16:25:00] <Phae> That's the fun of it.
  227. [16:25:15] <gsnedders> that's the impossibility of it
  228. [16:25:28] <gsnedders> that said, I'm still in a credit class for French :P
  229. [16:25:29] <Phae> :)
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  232. [16:29:51] <Whiskey_M> 'l
  233. [16:29:54] <Whiskey_M> 'lo even
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  237. [16:52:52] <drewinthehead> 'lo Whiskey_M
  238. [16:57:38] <Whiskey_M> how goes?
  239. [16:58:14] <drewinthehead> no bad .. just getting ready to ramp up for a new year
  240. [16:58:36] * drewinthehead runs his years from August holiday weekend
  241. [16:58:55] <Whiskey_M> I was about to say already, but I guess you're working on a sept - sept financial calendar
  242. [16:59:14] <Phae> april april
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  244. [17:00:03] <Whiskey_M> Phae, different companies run different months, april april is the norm because government run that, but sept - sept is also common
  245. [17:00:17] <Phae> mostly academic, but I suppose.
  246. [17:00:50] <Whiskey_M> caught the MF london event on the logs - looks like there could be a good turn out
  247. [17:01:06] <Phae> yeps. I should have phoned the possible venue today really
  248. [17:01:33] <Whiskey_M> where are you thinking of?
  249. [17:02:01] <Phae> brew wharf near london bridge, or the bunker at covent. But I think the later will be too busy/noisy
  250. [17:02:16] <Phae> brew wharf is in a pubby area, so we could always move if it's particuarly dire
  251. [17:02:37] * drewinthehead nods
  252. [17:03:20] <Whiskey_M> thankfully both easier to catch a train back home from ;-)
  253. [17:03:23] <Phae> I think we should just go for that, tbh
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  255. [17:03:28] <Phae> You're gonna come? :)
  256. [17:03:36] <drewinthehead> Whiskey_M: not financial ... i go from festival to festival ;)
  257. [17:03:40] <Phae> Yay. I'm glad it's turning out to be popular.
  258. [17:04:09] <Whiskey_M> 22 watching on upcoming
  259. [17:04:20] <Phae> Yep.
  260. [17:05:06] <Whiskey_M> btw. might make you laugh - Newbury is getting hCard ;)
  261. [17:05:14] <Phae> en masse?
  262. [17:05:15] <Phae> what?
  263. [17:05:23] <Phae> oh, the college site?
  264. [17:05:24] <Whiskey_M> their new site
  265. [17:05:25] <Phae> OH
  266. [17:05:34] * Phae has just let everything click into place.
  267. [17:05:41] <Phae> I just realised who you are.
  268. [17:05:44] <Whiskey_M> probably put hCalendar on the events module as well
  269. [17:05:46] <Phae> heh
  270. [17:05:57] <Phae> Swish.
  271. [17:06:36] <Whiskey_M> should only take a little while - and useful to have built in
  272. [17:06:54] <Phae> drewinthehead- do you want to just update the event and we'll go with that? If everyone drops off the list we'll decide it's a bad choice. :)
  273. [17:07:14] <Whiskey_M> yeah, Whiskey is an old Uni name because Richard was always taken and well... I used the first thing I could see
  274. [17:07:23] <Phae> yeah
  275. [17:08:17] <drewinthehead> update to list brew wharf, Phae?
  276. [17:09:24] * Phae nods.
  277. [17:09:28] <Phae> They have a website with menu and stuff, so we can point it at that too
  278. [17:11:47] * drewinthehead knows when to do as he's told :)
  279. [17:11:48] <Phae> apparently there's a wine wharf too
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  281. [17:11:49] <Whiskey_M> cool, if busy there are a couple of nice pubs not a million miles away
  282. [17:11:53] <Phae> What start time?
  283. [17:11:56] <Phae> I'll update ze wiki
  284. [17:12:26] <drewinthehead> 1930h?
  285. [17:12:55] <drewinthehead> 2000h?
  286. [17:14:06] <Phae> okay
  287. [17:14:06] * Phae smirks.
  288. [17:14:07] <Whiskey_M> http://www.st-christophers.co.uk/london-hostels/london/london-bridge <-- might want to stick that on, stayed their one new years
  289. [17:14:07] <Phae> Alright.
  290. [17:14:07] <Whiskey_M> it's a 5 minute walk away
  291. [17:14:07] <Whiskey_M> although there is a travel inn the other side of vinopolis
  292. [17:14:44] <Phae> what's wrong with 1930h?
  293. [17:14:58] <Phae> heh
  294. [17:15:24] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent&diff=0&oldid=8316 * Phae * (+141) Details -
  295. [17:15:38] <Phae> oh. summary. hmm
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  297. [17:17:20] <Whiskey_M> time to run, the last of my guys has left and the pub is calling. Bye.
  298. [17:17:25] * Whiskey_M (n=Richard@host-84-9-127-20.bulldogdsl.com) Quit ("pub")
  299. [17:18:26] <drewinthehead> http://upcoming.org/event/100107
  300. [17:18:35] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent&diff=0&oldid=8317 * Phae * (+464) Summary -
  301. [17:18:45] <Phae> whee. cool
  302. [17:18:49] * drewinthehead isn't sure about the upcoming.org design changes
  303. [17:18:58] <Phae> I like the extra features
  304. [17:19:05] <trovster> I like the integration with flickr
  305. [17:19:10] <Phae> I don't like that the attending/watching list hides people after a while.
  306. [17:19:20] <Phae> I prefer to see at a glance how many people are going/anyone I know
  307. [17:19:22] <drewinthehead> yeah, that's the worst bit
  308. [17:19:29] <drewinthehead> visually it's prettu
  309. [17:19:30] <trovster> yeh, should be shown by default
  310. [17:19:31] <drewinthehead> pretty
  311. [17:19:45] <Phae> And I liked the little blue icons to indicate a friend. The bold is a bit subtle for me.
  312. [17:19:53] * Phae shruts.
  313. [17:19:56] <Phae> oops. shrugs*
  314. [17:19:56] <trovster> http://upcoming.org/event/93672/ and the integration with flickr photos!
  315. [17:20:01] <Phae> it has some cool new stuffs though
  316. [17:20:10] <Phae> Yeah. That's nice. Takes your flickr icon and everything.
  317. [17:20:18] <Phae> And I can add to my gCal
  318. [17:20:46] <trovster> flickr icon? Sure
  319. [17:21:20] <Phae> yea
  320. [17:21:21] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent&diff=0&oldid=8318 * Phae * (+95) Details -
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  323. [17:21:50] <trovster> doesn't for my friends
  324. [17:21:51] * drewinthehead sniggers at Phae strutting
  325. [17:21:57] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent&diff=0&oldid=8319 * Phae * (-15) London Microformats vEvent -
  326. [17:22:00] <Phae> :|
  327. [17:22:03] <Phae> I don't strut.
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  329. [17:22:22] <Phae> trovster. You have to tell it to go get your flickr icon
  330. [17:22:24] <Phae> It's optional.
  331. [17:22:49] <cori[s]>
  332. [17:24:13] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent&diff=0&oldid=8320 * Phae * (+133) London Microformats vEvent -
  333. [17:24:18] <Phae> okok. I'm done.
  334. [17:24:40] <trovster> heh, it say's send to Vodaphone!
  335. [17:26:32] <Phae> oh cool. It tells me you updated the upcoming event.
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  337. [17:27:01] <Phae> 28 peoples.
  338. [17:27:03] <Phae> cool.
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  342. [17:33:29] <basilcrow> hi all
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  344. [17:33:38] <drewinthehead> hi basilcrow
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  350. [17:39:04] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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  352. [17:39:29] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  362. [18:04:48] <jibot> bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
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  364. [18:10:50] <DanC> hmm.. I'm tring to use http://technorati.com/contacts/ on a yahoo local entry, and losing. http://local.yahoo.com/details;_ylt=Ag2WV4H8lL9s8OUbPjvG9GWHNcIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBpZzIyMjd0BF9zAzk2NjEzNzY5BHNlYwNzcg--?id=19380459&state=TX&city=Austin&stx=doubletree&csz=Austin%2C+TX&ed=FhRBFa131DxnA5yIWS21cRWI_KPbEj1YymTSCeVutO6x30_r1cjAQT0-&lcscb=OoDa4llmPC3
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  366. [18:11:54] <DanC> it works from the command-line with xsltproc and x2v;
  367. [18:11:55] <DanC> $ xsltproc --html ~/mf-hg/x2v/xhtml2vcard.xsl 'http://local.yahoo.com/details;_ylt=Ag2WV4H8lL9s8OUbPjvG9GWHNcIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBpZzIyMjd0BF9zAzk2NjEzNzY5BHNlYwNzcg--?id=19380459&state=TX&city=Austin&stx=doubletree&csz=Austin%2C+TX&ed=FhRBFa131DxnA5yIWS21cRWI_KPbEj1YymTSCeVutO6x30_r1cjAQT0-&lcscb=OoDa4llmPC3'
  368. [18:22:55] <Phae> our vEvent shows up on the dconstruct backnetwork :)
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  372. [18:30:47] <briansuda> DanC, the service might not be running the most recent version of the XSLT.
  373. [18:31:21] <DanC> it returns '1'
  374. [18:31:29] <DanC> i.e. no icalendar syntax at all
  375. [18:31:35] <jibot> Hwin is horseygurl, trying to go undercover.
  376. [18:32:25] <briansuda> hm...
  377. [18:32:36] * vant (n=vant@FLH1Abe103.isk.mesh.ad.jp) Quit ("Leaving...")
  378. [18:32:50] <briansuda> not sure how they are 'tidying' the HTML
  379. [18:33:18] * briansuda doesn't see anyone around that could help...
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  386. [18:41:51] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  389. [18:49:18] <N-K> J'ai une question sur microformats.org. Je peux ?
  390. [18:52:43] <bewest> erm bien sur?
  391. [18:54:32] <mfbot> [[icons]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/icons * Chris Messina * (+803) Initial edit
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  399. [18:58:01] <trel1023> ?forgetme
  400. [18:58:01] <jibot> I have expunged trel1023 from my mind
  401. [19:07:01] <N-K> I have read some tete from Tantek showing a.. no love for xml namespace. Is it right ?
  402. [19:07:19] <KevinMarks> indeed
  403. [19:07:45] <KevinMarks> xml namespaces are not really helpful
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  407. [19:11:48] <N-K> Is this opinion shared by other participant of microformats.org ?
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  409. [19:12:24] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  411. [19:13:01] <KevinMarks> yes, I share it
  412. [19:13:54] <KevinMarks> xml namespaces are unneccessary in HTML. They are designed to handle a different problem set than we tackle with microformats
  413. [19:14:20] <KevinMarks> our goal is to converge schemas and names, not to encourage its divergence
  414. [19:15:08] <bewest> many developers I know are eager to create a new XML scheme at the drop of a hat
  415. [19:15:39] <KevinMarks> yes, the microformats process is designed explicitly to curb that tendency
  416. [19:16:25] <N-K> class="name" is of wich microformats.org ?
  417. [19:19:17] <KevinMarks> I don't think we use class="name" - hCard uses class="fn"
  418. [19:19:29] <bewest> KevinMarks: I'm finding it hard to explain why its a bad idea to roll your own XML language
  419. [19:19:55] <tantek> bewest, we have a few wiki pages on that
  420. [19:20:00] <KevinMarks> point them at Tim Bray too
  421. [19:20:09] <bewest> co-workers have said things like... "it's what I do... I do web services... I make new xml all the time... it's my job"
  422. [19:20:21] <bewest> and then I'm left with "but the xml feels hacky"
  423. [19:20:26] <KevinMarks> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/08/No-New-XML-Languages
  424. [19:20:27] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/plain-old-xml-considered-harmful
  425. [19:20:36] * bewest devours
  426. [19:21:04] <tantek> bewest, for internal web services that never see the light of the public web and never get shared as documents - make up as much ephemeral proprietary xml you want
  427. [19:21:14] <KevinMarks> as Tim Bray invented XML, that is a good endorsement
  428. [19:21:30] <tantek> but for *anything* for the *public* Web, POX is bad design
  429. [19:21:45] <bewest> tantek: that seems poor... you never know when you will decide to open a service for public consumption
  430. [19:21:59] <tantek> bewest, you catch on quick ;)
  431. [19:22:04] <bewest> alexa is opening its crawl data to anyone now... certainly the original developers never expected such a development
  432. [19:22:51] <bewest> yeah, I've read that Bray article several times
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  434. [19:23:08] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
  435. [19:23:14] <bewest> people who do xml services and make up xml all the time don't buy it
  436. [19:23:52] <tantek> it's ok bewest, their methodology doesn't scale nor interoperate
  437. [19:24:06] <N-K> I dont understand why microformats.org reject to improve their fomats with xml namespace. Sorry to the by guru Tantek and all his fans.
  438. [19:24:09] <tantek> eventually you'll get a long tail of POX formats that no one really interoperates with
  439. [19:24:24] <tantek> and a small number of highly interoperable formats that work well
  440. [19:24:29] <tantek> guess which one will matter in the market?
  441. [19:24:45] <tantek> N-K - namespaces are *negative*, not an improvement, that's why
  442. [19:24:52] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-considered-harmful
  443. [19:25:11] <bewest> I'm currently in love with evdb's web services
  444. [19:25:26] <bewest> I'd like to develop all my new services this way
  445. [19:25:35] <KevinMarks> The deeper thing to think about is schema convergence
  446. [19:26:23] <KevinMarks> Your Apps will likely have elements in common with others - People, Places and Events are common
  447. [19:26:52] <KevinMarks> so you should use existing intereoperable schemas for these instead of reinventing the wheel each time
  448. [19:26:55] <tantek> namespaces = babel
  449. [19:27:28] <bewest> N-K: if you start thinking about the web in terms of OOP and polymorphism, namespaces break the polymorphic model that allows you handle widely varied data structures using the same methods
  450. [19:27:58] <tantek> bewest - that is awesome. please add that to http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-considered-harmful
  451. [19:29:35] <mfbot> [[namespaces-considered-harmful]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=8321 * BenWest * (+187) namespaces considered harmful -
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  453. [19:29:43] <bewest> just to the bottom?
  454. [19:31:10] <bewest> I think hober's evdb stuff is a great showcase of how the web is perhaps the greatest fulfillment to the promise of OOP
  455. [19:31:20] <bewest> every piece of data has its own URI
  456. [19:31:30] <tantek> nice
  457. [19:31:45] <bewest> any possible manipulation you can perform on that data is done by accessing that URI
  458. [19:32:09] <bewest> but I don't know how he did it
  459. [19:32:19] <bewest> I'm not finding any tools to aid this kind of development
  460. [19:32:25] <bewest> it fits in with...
  461. [19:32:34] <tantek> uid = url
  462. [19:32:59] <bewest> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/01.html this model
  463. [19:33:01] <KevinMarks> this is something I've been talking about a bit (though not written down yet)
  464. [19:33:12] <bewest> it scales well
  465. [19:33:22] <bewest> becuase it hides the details of implementation from consuming code
  466. [19:33:24] <KevinMarks> fitting the microformats into web-dev frameworks
  467. [19:34:16] <bewest> at face value, it feels like there should be some way to declartively define how a given data store maps to these URI's
  468. [19:34:21] <KevinMarks> so, say, Rails and Django having mf's as suggested defaults for certain datatypes
  469. [19:34:32] <KevinMarks> RoR and Django both do that
  470. [19:34:38] <bewest> and have a framework both create the datastore AND create an evdb like URI scheme
  471. [19:34:39] <bewest> they do?
  472. [19:34:51] <bewest> hmmm
  473. [19:35:12] <bewest> like the ebdb uri's?
  474. [19:35:37] <KevinMarks> http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/overview/
  475. [19:35:44] <KevinMarks> see 'design your urls'
  476. [19:36:37] <bewest> I recently designed a document in XHTML to describe how parameters should map from one system to another
  477. [19:36:47] <bewest> and showed it to a developer who woudl be responsible for implementing the mapping
  478. [19:37:09] <bewest> he admitted that the declartive approach was the best way, long term, but that he would only consider it if it was XML
  479. [19:37:27] <bewest> even though it was currently being rendered in the browser as xml
  480. [19:37:37] <bewest> it was a head slapping kind of moment
  481. [19:37:46] <bewest> I responded by saying that it /was/ xml
  482. [19:37:49] <qid> on the namespaces-considered-harmful page, the davidjanes.com link doesn't work; is http://blog.davidjanes.com/:entry:davidjanes-2005-10-04-0000/ the intended article?
  483. [19:37:55] <bewest> he said it looked like html and made a face
  484. [19:39:42] <qid> bewest: if it's internal-use-only, it probably doesn't matter either way, XHTML vs. custom XML depends on your architectural priorities
  485. [19:40:39] <bewest> qid: until you decide to open the system for commercial use
  486. [19:41:06] <N-K> I do not understand the evidence and arguments in http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-considered-harmful .
  487. [19:42:07] <qid> N-K: are you talking about namespaced class names or namespaced elements?
  488. [19:42:19] <qid> because I believe that page applies more to namespaced elements
  489. [19:44:39] <qid> I think the arguments against using namespaced XML to embed more data in XHTML documents are stronger than the arguments against namespacing class names for microformats
  490. [19:45:17] <bewest> hmmm I wonder if hober used django to create ebdb
  491. [19:45:23] <bewest> s/ebdb/evdb
  492. [19:46:42] <bewest> I'm not sure django affords the benefits of this webby kind of approach as outlined in http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/01.html
  493. [19:48:26] <mfbot> [[namespaces-considered-harmful]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=8322 * DavidOsolkowski * (+4) Fixed URL for David Janes article
  494. [19:49:37] <mfbot> [[plain-old-xml-considered-harmful]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=plain-old-xml-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=8323 * DavidOsolkowski * (-3) Fixed URL for David Janes article
  495. [19:49:49] * bewest needs to write this stuff in a blog
  496. [19:52:17] <tantek> bewest, that would be a good thing
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  498. [19:53:58] <mfbot> [[plain-old-xml-considered-harmful]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=plain-old-xml-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=8324 * DavidOsolkowski * (+11) Cleaner grammar
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  502. [19:56:59] <mfbot> [[microformats-easier-than-xml]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-easier-than-xml&diff=0&oldid=8325 * DavidOsolkowski * (-25) Cleaner grammar
  503. [19:57:47] <qid> http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-xhtml <-- this page seems a little pointless
  504. [19:58:14] <qid> every element in XHTML has at least *some* semantics
  505. [19:59:15] <N-K> I do not understand the evidence and arguments in http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-considered-harmful . Thats why i came in irc://freenode/microformats .
  506. [20:00:15] <KevinMarks> what is your specific problem, n-k?
  507. [20:01:05] <KevinMarks> that you think namespaces solve?
  508. [20:02:45] <qid> N-K: we believe that using semantic class names is superior to using namespaced elements for many reasons: easier to understand, easier to author, easier to style, better browser support, etc.
  509. [20:04:32] <N-K> evidence ?
  510. [20:05:07] <qid> and this is supported by publishing practices on the web; aside from feeds, very little data is published in namespaced XML vs. straight (X)HTML
  511. [20:05:14] <N-K> "<rss xmlns:atom='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' version='2.0'>" quoted from http://epeus.blogspot.com/rss.xml
  512. [20:05:32] <qid> see http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/07/21/dive.html
  513. [20:06:23] <qid> what is that quote supposed to be telling me?
  514. [20:07:37] <KevinMarks> yes, my feed uses namespaces.
  515. [20:07:51] <KevinMarks> what does that have to do with it?
  516. [20:08:25] <KevinMarks> 'aside from feeds' is what qid said
  517. [20:08:43] <N-K> I do not understand why "namespaces" should be "considered harmful" http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-considered-harmful
  518. [20:09:18] <KevinMarks> why do you think they are helpful?
  519. [20:09:28] <KevinMarks> what problem do they solve?
  520. [20:09:57] <N-K> If you cant explain this whith only http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-considered-harmful&oldid=8322 , you could write a longer paper to explain .
  521. [20:10:09] <qid> N-K: partially that's a meme among software/IT people, originated with Dijkstra's article "GOTO Considered Harmful"
  522. [20:10:39] <qid> a more accurate title might be "namespaces considered inferior"
  523. [20:11:49] <qid> see http://www.google.com/search?q=%22considered+harmful%22 for more examples of the meme
  524. [20:12:10] <bewest> or "* considered harmful"
  525. [20:12:17] <N-K> If namespaces are harmfull, why are they used in so many rss feed ? I do not demand you to explain this me now. I only hope you could undestand that http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-considered-harmful is not enought clear. Of course if you want not, i will go away and not more ask you, do not worry.
  526. [20:12:20] <qid> including Eric Meyer's "Considered Harmful" Essays Considered Harmful
  527. [20:12:37] <bewest> N-K: I agree it's not clear
  528. [20:12:49] <bewest> N-K: that's why there is a note saying it is a "stub"
  529. [20:12:52] <briansuda> N-K, XMDP profiles help to declare what microformats are present in a page
  530. [20:13:01] <N-K> qid: is it a joke ?
  531. [20:13:11] <N-K> qid: is "Considered Harmful" a joke ?
  532. [20:13:31] <qid> N-K: you mean in general, or Eric Meyer's article in particular?
  533. [20:13:44] <N-K> "XMDP profiles help to declare what microformats are present in a page" I agree.
  534. [20:13:46] <bewest> N-K: no, it's like doing "hello world" for your first program. it's a popular way of saying or doing something.
  535. [20:14:27] <KevinMarks> narrowly, namespaces are unnecessary
  536. [20:15:16] <KevinMarks> they are harmful in that they encourage people to make up their own schemas and not worrying about interoperability or name reuse
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  538. [20:15:48] <KevinMarks> they are an excuse you can use for not considering others work
  539. [20:16:52] <qid> some people, when trying to come up with a data format, think "I know, I'll use namespaces." Now they have two problems.
  540. [20:17:08] <qid> with credit to Jamie Zawinsky
  541. [20:19:23] <N-K> bewest: so when i said i did not understand, i was right :-)
  542. [20:20:27] <bewest> qid: I don't think most people even think of using namespaces
  543. [20:20:30] <bewest> I think it goes like this:
  544. [20:20:38] <bewest> 1.) I've got a problem I need to solve.
  545. [20:20:45] <bewest> 2.) I know! I'll use XML
  546. [20:21:20] <N-K> "namespaces are unnecessary" THAT is a very better argument. Why not write that microformats.org do not use namespace at present and will not in future ?
  547. [20:21:25] <bewest> 3.) oOOoo I can make my own XML format... it'll be easy... I just describe what I want like (<bad_tagname><unscalable format="yes!" /></bad_tagname>)
  548. [20:21:49] <bewest> 4.) Someone smarter than them comes along and says... no no no dummy.. you have to have a schema and a namespace to make it scalable!
  549. [20:21:58] <bewest> 5.) Now they have two problems
  550. [20:22:52] <bewest> N-K: that may be good advice... I suppose we may have neglected how idiomatic "<blank> considered harmful" is
  551. [20:23:45] <bewest> N-K: anyway, in contrast to the approach I just outlined, our approach goes 1.) I have a problem. 2.) Let me figure out what works based on what other people are using. 3.) Stop and re-use what works. You're done!
  552. [20:24:03] <bewest> that's a bit biased, I suppose, but hey, you are in #microformats
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  554. [20:33:22] <mfbot> [[namespaces-considered-harmful]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=8326 * DavidOsolkowski * (+488) Reorganized a couple links, added another paragraph
  555. [20:35:48] <bewest> Brooks argues that no software development technique will significantly change the fundamental way in which we accomplish software development
  556. [20:36:17] <bewest> to support his argument, he names a couple of technologies debunks how they were supposed to dramatically improve the process
  557. [20:36:23] <bewest> one of his examples is OOP
  558. [20:36:58] <bewest> he explains that in practice, OOP is mainly used for mundane things, and true resuability never occurs
  559. [20:37:45] <bewest> the web fulfills OOP's promise of abstraction and reuability by ensuring the same methods work across datatypes... but it only fulfills this promise when you actually reuse formats
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  565. [20:48:04] <KevinMarks> well, duck typing is a help with OOP
  566. [20:48:25] <KevinMarks> arguably web services reduces to a small number of verbs
  567. [20:48:47] <qid> get, post, put, delete? :-)
  568. [20:48:54] <KevinMarks> quite
  569. [20:49:16] <KevinMarks> it is pretty impressive how well we have duck typed GET
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  573. [20:58:08] <N-K> REST ?
  574. [20:58:22] <whack> NAPTIME ?
  575. [20:58:27] * pnhChris could use a nap
  576. [20:58:33] <pnhChris> getting cranky
  577. [20:58:56] <KevinMarks> REST indeed
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  579. [21:09:24] <basilcrow> I just added hAtom support to www.brown.edu
  580. [21:10:05] * bewest passes out party hats and whistles and fetes basilcrow
  581. [21:10:23] <basilcrow> since, for the time being, our home page is a static file, we are going to put up an atom feed that's created from the html with hatom2atom.xsl
  582. [21:11:14] <basilcrow> it's all working great on my desktop; in fact, but xsltproc on our solaris server is still not doing the transformation correctly. as soon as our sysadmins fix that, though, we'll have an atom feed created from the hAtom markup
  583. [21:11:19] <basilcrow> it's really an awesome concept.
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  585. [21:14:37] <briansuda> well done basilcrow
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