IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-31

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  6. [00:59:37] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  8. [01:19:28] <mfbot> [[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=8331 * Mike * (+196)
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  10. [01:20:44] <mfbot> [[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=8332 * Mike * (+1) continue earlier reformatting to make structure more readable. Sorry about that last no-summary edit
  11. [01:21:45] <mfbot> [[citation-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=8333 * Mike * (+12) Citation Mark Up in the Wild -
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  13. [01:23:31] <mfbot> [[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=8334 * Mike * (+6) complete restructuring - no content change, just moved some URLs out of the headings so the TOC was more readable.
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  23. [02:33:44] <mfbot> [[rel-license-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license-ja&diff=0&oldid=8335 * IwaiMasaharu * (-9) 実装 - あまり一般的な日本語訳ではないのでWaSPの名前(固有名詞)を英語のままにした
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  27. [03:20:23] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  36. [06:21:45] <Frederic> morning
  37. [06:23:22] <musigny> hello fred
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  42. [07:11:14] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  45. [07:18:53] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  52. [08:04:53] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  54. [08:17:57] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  58. [08:52:35] <Whiskey_M> 'lo
  59. [09:01:32] <drewinthehead> mornin' Whiskey_M
  60. [09:05:53] <Whiskey_M> how goes today?
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  62. [09:12:37] <drewinthehead> oh not bad
  63. [09:12:45] <drewinthehead> yourself?
  64. [09:20:49] <Whiskey_M> not so shabby, got one of my guys playing around with hCalendar - http://newbury.redantdev.com/events/
  65. [09:21:44] <drewinthehead> ah superb :)
  66. [09:22:24] <drewinthehead> is that you, red ant?
  67. [09:22:45] <Whiskey_M> I'm the technical director over here / there
  68. [09:22:53] <drewinthehead> cool
  69. [09:23:00] <drewinthehead> your contact page needs hCard ;)
  70. [09:24:06] <Whiskey_M> if you're talking about red ant then we need a complete new site ours is so out of date it's got beyond funny - newbury will get one tucked in before live
  71. [09:31:20] <drewinthehead> awesome
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  74. [10:33:50] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  89. [12:11:32] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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  92. [12:13:21] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  96. [13:03:22] <trovster> http://aqualung.typepad.com/aqualung/2006/08/microformats.html -- hReview for blog entries...
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  101. [13:35:14] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  104. [13:36:02] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  108. [14:03:19] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  111. [14:17:24] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
  112. [14:18:02] <cgriego> ?forget cgriego is a front-end developer at RD2, Inc
  113. [14:18:02] <jibot> I did not know cgriego was a front-end developer at RD2, Inc
  114. [14:18:14] <cgriego> ?forget cgriego is a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
  115. [14:18:14] <jibot> I now only know that cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
  116. [14:18:35] <cgriego> ?learn cgriego is a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  117. [14:18:36] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  118. [14:19:13] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=8336 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1)
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  121. [14:27:49] <mfbot> [[rel-home-issues-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-home-issues-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1234)
  122. [14:28:25] <mfbot> [[rel-home-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-home-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=8337 * ChristopheDucamp * (+4)
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  124. [14:29:31] <mfbot> [[screencasts-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=screencasts-fr&diff=0&oldid=8338 * ChristopheDucamp * (+237)
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  126. [14:32:12] <mfbot> [[podcasts-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts-fr&diff=0&oldid=8339 * ChristopheDucamp * (+409)
  127. [14:34:28] <mfbot> [[podcasts-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts-fr&diff=0&oldid=8340 * ChristopheDucamp * (+360)
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  129. [14:36:39] <mfbot> [[vote-links]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=8341 * ChristopheDucamp * (-43) delete spam
  130. [14:37:40] <mfbot> [[press-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press-fr&diff=0&oldid=8342 * ChristopheDucamp * (+170)
  131. [14:42:21] <mfbot> [[presentations-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations-fr&diff=0&oldid=8343 * ChristopheDucamp * (+547) ajout lien vers les présentations du barcampearth - compte rendu Frédéric de Villamil
  132. [14:42:47] <mfbot> [[presentations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations-fr&diff=0&oldid=8344 * ChristopheDucamp * (+14) 2006 -
  133. [14:44:48] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=8345 * ChristopheDucamp * (+32)
  134. [14:46:19] <mfbot> [[press-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press-fr&diff=0&oldid=8346 * ChristopheDucamp * (+201) 2006 -
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  138. [14:53:21] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=0&oldid=8347 * ChristopheDucamp * (+488)
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  140. [15:11:27] <mfbot> [[icons-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/icons-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+913)
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  142. [15:25:11] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  144. [15:26:19] <Whiskey_M> yay, I've just broken my senior developer :-) have I mised anything?
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  146. [15:30:29] <mfbot> [[namespaces-considered-harmful-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-considered-harmful-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2206)
  147. [15:48:26] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=8348 * ChristopheDucamp * (+266)
  148. [15:49:22] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=8349 * ChristopheDucamp * (+13) Récents -
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  150. [15:56:18] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=8350 * ChristopheDucamp * (+192) Musique -
  151. [15:59:29] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=8351 * ChristopheDucamp * (-132)
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  156. [16:12:38] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  157. [16:14:06] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=8352 * Branden * (+154) Examples in the wild -
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  166. [16:24:19] <jibot> WildFox is Mr. KDOM. Co-author of kdom, ksvg and kcanvas.
  167. [16:27:16] * bewest wonders if jibot is getting heralds mixed up
  168. [16:28:52] <mfbot> [[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=8353 * ChristopheDucamp * (+215) Exemples dans la jungle -
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  173. [16:48:32] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  180. [17:22:38] <jibot> marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
  181. [17:23:14] <bewest> hmm
  182. [17:23:20] <bewest> any todo list uf?
  183. [17:23:40] <bewest> more than just XOXO?
  184. [17:24:03] <bewest> XOXO + priority, tagging, dependencies
  185. [17:24:50] <tantek> bewest - take a look at reusing the VTODO vocabulary from iCalendar RFC2445
  186. [17:25:00] <tantek> technically it is part of hCalendar until we decide it isn't
  187. [17:26:03] <bewest> ah
  188. [17:26:08] <bewest> hmmm
  189. [17:26:16] <bewest> will put that on a personal todo list
  190. [17:26:25] <bewest> I have to make meta-todo lists :-(
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  198. [17:50:29] * bewest longs for a service like evdb but for notes/todo/wiki
  199. [17:50:35] <bewest> hmmm
  200. [17:51:50] <dardarsauce> hosted or local?
  201. [17:53:42] <bewest> as long as it's an ebdb-like web API that is irrelevant
  202. [17:53:48] <bewest> maybe something with s3
  203. [17:53:53] <bewest> along the lines of the S3 js wiki
  204. [17:54:03] <bewest> something that allows PUT, GET, and POST
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  206. [17:54:34] <bewest> erm evdb
  207. [17:54:41] <bewest> speaking of which where is hober?
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  209. [17:55:33] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  210. [17:55:38] <dardarsauce> bewest: http://www.tiddlywiki.com/
  211. [17:55:40] <d4rr3ll> hi, quick question re: hListing, which is correct? class="hlisting offer-sell" or class="hlisting offer sell"?
  212. [17:55:44] <dardarsauce> til an api comes up
  213. [17:56:00] <d4rr3ll> I'm not quite sure from the examples in the wiki
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  215. [17:57:43] <bewest> yeah
  216. [17:58:22] <yakk> ponderous
  217. [17:58:27] <qid> d4rr3ll: I suspect neither: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#nesting-properties
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  219. [17:59:30] <qid> and it looks like "offer sell" is correct
  220. [18:00:19] <d4rr3ll> qid, but I shouldn't put then with the "hlisting" though?
  221. [18:00:34] <qid> I think the example is also incorrect due to the nesting-properties requirement
  222. [18:00:41] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=8354 * Ianloic * (+38) adding myself
  223. [18:00:44] <qid> it does <div class="location vcard adr">
  224. [18:00:57] <qid> the adr should probably be on a sub-element
  225. [18:01:17] <mfbot> [[User:Ianloic]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Ianloic * Ianloic * (+144)
  226. [18:01:30] <qid> d4rr3ll: yes, they should be nested in the hlisting
  227. [18:02:08] <d4rr3ll> ok, so this would probably be better <div class="hlisting"> <div class="offer sell> .... ?
  228. [18:02:20] <qid> yes
  229. [18:02:25] <d4rr3ll> cool, thanks :)
  230. [18:03:11] * d4rr3ll checks if he can edit the wiki...
  231. [18:06:27] <Phae> everyone can edit the wiki :)
  232. [18:06:47] <pnhChris> if you can figure out the secretTM to registering
  233. [18:06:48] <pnhChris> :)
  234. [18:06:54] <Phae> shh!
  235. [18:08:14] * d4rr3ll wonders why 'darrell' is an invalid username?
  236. [18:08:30] * pnhChris whistles
  237. [18:08:32] <qid> you have to use SillyWikiFormatting
  238. [18:08:38] * Phae coughs
  239. [18:09:04] * d4rr3ll is now completely confused
  240. [18:09:11] <Phae> Try Darrell :)
  241. [18:09:28] <d4rr3ll> clever
  242. [18:09:28] <pnhChris> Try 380457123984701293847120934870129384
  243. [18:09:33] <bewest> lol
  244. [18:09:45] * bewest hangs a "bash head here" sign and uses it
  245. [18:09:47] <pnhChris> silly wiki
  246. [18:10:54] * d4rr3ll now has a wiki account 'D4rr3ll' :)
  247. [18:11:08] <Phae> Is it still cool to use numbers in your name? :(
  248. [18:11:40] <d4rr3ll> probably not, but too many people have the name 'darrell'
  249. [18:13:40] <yakk> CapitalLetters
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  253. [18:17:59] <mfbot> [[hlisting-extended-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-extended-examples&diff=0&oldid=8355 * D4rr3ll * (+177) hListing Extended Examples -
  254. [18:18:55] <mfbot> [[hlisting-extended-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-extended-examples&diff=0&oldid=8356 * D4rr3ll * (+0) hListing Extended Examples -
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  256. [18:21:59] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  257. [18:22:36] <Phae> evening drew
  258. [18:22:53] <drewinthehead> evening Phae
  259. [18:23:14] <drewinthehead> that was weird, i was literally just reading your blog in a different window ... a moment of confusion
  260. [18:23:27] <Phae> hah
  261. [18:23:37] <drewinthehead> my site's pink all year round :)
  262. [18:24:01] <Phae> I know. It seems I have a lot of friends who already have pink sites.
  263. [18:24:48] <drewinthehead> we're where it's at.
  264. [18:24:59] <Phae> I tend to avoid the colour myself. I'm a green lover.
  265. [18:25:24] <drewinthehead> there's a t-shirt slogan for you.
  266. [18:25:40] <Phae> :)
  267. [18:28:48] <Frederic> re
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  269. [18:32:06] <MarkoMihelcic> hi all
  270. [18:32:30] <Phae> hello
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  272. [18:32:57] <MarkoMihelcic> a where's Tantek :S
  273. [18:33:54] <Phae> I'm sure he'll be on soon.
  274. [18:34:06] <MarkoMihelcic> gr8
  275. [18:34:12] <MarkoMihelcic> tnx Phae
  276. [18:34:12] <MarkoMihelcic> :)
  277. [18:34:16] <Phae> m'k
  278. [18:34:37] <pnhChris> probably out partying it up with some fabulous people and taking lots of pics :P
  279. [18:34:55] <MarkoMihelcic> heh
  280. [18:35:00] <Phae> He does seem to have his camera glued to him, eh?
  281. [18:35:06] <Phae> And flocks of pretty ladies.
  282. [18:36:10] <qid> I bet it's the cedilla that does it
  283. [18:36:11] <MarkoMihelcic> indeed
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  285. [18:45:57] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
  286. [18:49:42] <MarkoMihelcic> heh
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  294. [18:59:06] <Pos3idon> .
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  298. [19:01:32] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
  299. [19:03:04] <MarkoMihelcic> web developper?
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  301. [19:05:48] <qid> <qid> how do you spell the word "developer" in french? | <Cataclaw> développeur
  302. [19:06:59] <dardarsauce> quick question, should all properties of a microformat always exist as a descendent class? ie <div class="hreview reviewer">name</div> is illegal?
  303. [19:07:31] <qid> yes
  304. [19:07:53] <qid> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#nesting-properties
  305. [19:08:01] <Phae> yeah, for a start off, that would end your hReview format at that </div>
  306. [19:08:15] <Phae> And leave no room for other descendents
  307. [19:08:19] <dardarsauce> i'm trying to prevent divitis :/
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  309. [19:08:32] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  310. [19:08:34] <Phae> Mark stuff up using the tags you would naturally
  311. [19:08:40] <Phae> and then see if you actually need many extra divs
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  313. [19:08:50] <Phae> often you need like, one extra div and a couple spans at the most :)
  314. [19:09:03] <qid> sometimes you have to be tricky about it
  315. [19:10:18] <MarkoMihelcic> hello Sir Celik :)
  316. [19:10:20] <qid> but it's better to mark it up nicely and follow the spec and make the parsers do the work
  317. [19:11:08] <gsnedders> where does the surname Çelik come from anyway?
  318. [19:11:27] <Phae> Some of the wiki examples might seem a bit misleading at first also, because the uF classes don't have to be on spans and divs. They can be on list items, or paragraphs
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  320. [19:11:31] <Phae> or whatever you're using already :)
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  324. [19:22:55] <bewest> man... tiddlywiki seems awesome
  325. [19:23:31] <Phae> ?
  326. [19:24:20] <bewest> http://www.tiddlywiki.com
  327. [19:24:27] <dardarsauce> it is
  328. [19:24:34] <dardarsauce> kinda flashy but its cool
  329. [19:24:44] <bewest> yeah, doesn't need quite so much animation
  330. [19:24:46] <dardarsauce> good alternative to voodoopad
  331. [19:25:05] <Phae> It does seem a bit fancy pants
  332. [19:25:16] <Phae> I don't really know what I'd use it for. I had a backpack account and never used that either.
  333. [19:25:26] <bewest> backpack sucks
  334. [19:25:31] <Phae> It does.
  335. [19:25:31] <dardarsauce> ditto
  336. [19:25:46] <dardarsauce> writing stuff on your hand > backpack
  337. [19:25:57] <Phae> It's just spaces on the web to put stuff, and if you have a website you use reguarly, it seems a bit random to use another service
  338. [19:26:06] <Phae> And yeah, I'm a pen on paper lover. :)
  339. [19:27:13] <bewest> I've seen a lot of "web os" or "web desktop" kinds of things
  340. [19:27:19] <bewest> where they implement full windowing in the browser
  341. [19:27:22] <bewest> and it's like.... WHY?
  342. [19:27:26] <Phae> yeah
  343. [19:27:31] <bewest> I think this tiddlywiki thing is the right approach
  344. [19:27:45] <dardarsauce> bewest: for VC money :)
  345. [19:27:46] <bewest> dereference any resource at any time
  346. [19:27:51] <Phae> You're right about that site though. What's with the wooshy javascript slide? It's horrid.
  347. [19:28:02] <bewest> it's ok
  348. [19:28:06] <bewest> but could be better
  349. [19:28:12] <Phae> It judders too much for my liking.
  350. [19:28:20] <dardarsauce> webos will be cool one day if its a) faster, and b) only used on thin clients
  351. [19:28:21] <bewest> but I see potential for uf interfaces and whatnot
  352. [19:28:25] <Phae> I'm a bit sensitive to flickers, they irritate my eyeballs!
  353. [19:28:42] <bewest> dynamically add maps and timelines and whatnot
  354. [19:29:01] <bewest> get several lists from different resources and manipulate them in the same place
  355. [19:29:11] <bewest> this is a better framework than the simile stuff
  356. [19:30:42] <bewest> main problem with these animations is they take too long, they get slower near the end and start to choke, and they are a bit too dramatic
  357. [19:30:54] <dardarsauce> i'm sure theres a way to turn it off
  358. [19:31:04] <dardarsauce> there are powerusers for tiddly
  359. [19:31:24] <dardarsauce> i'm not one, i hate using any app inside a browser window :)
  360. [19:31:25] <bewest> what would be better is a small throb, with a pager that lets you zoom in/out through the page layout
  361. [19:31:54] <bewest> dardarsauce: what if there were no applications... you turned on your computer and what you got was tiddlywiki-ish
  362. [19:32:03] <bewest> no browser
  363. [19:32:11] <qid> I'd run screaming from the room
  364. [19:32:16] <bewest> meh
  365. [19:32:25] <dardarsauce> thin clients are one thing
  366. [19:32:32] <dardarsauce> which is fine for its purpose
  367. [19:32:44] <dardarsauce> but given the choice beteween using firefox web dev bar to edit css vs. textmate
  368. [19:32:52] <dardarsauce> fuck firefox :)
  369. [19:33:13] <bewest> ah...
  370. [19:33:15] <KevinMarks> I quite like CSSEdit
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  372. [19:33:34] <bewest> I like squarefree's css edit and js shell and js env
  373. [19:34:57] <bewest> I'd like to enter something like <span class="bug">484</span> in tiddly wiki and have it find and display controls for manipulating that bug from the bug database
  374. [19:35:23] <qid> trac has that, kinda
  375. [19:35:36] <bewest> well, I started on a system for it internally
  376. [19:35:49] <bewest> but I think I might change direction and go the tiddly wiki rout
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  378. [19:35:58] <qid> you can reference a bug by just typing its id (with some symbol I think) and it converts it to a link to the bug
  379. [19:36:06] <bewest> I don't mean a link though
  380. [19:36:13] <bewest> I mean being able to directly manipulate the bug
  381. [19:36:17] <bewest> add notes
  382. [19:36:22] <bewest> close it, mark it as fixed
  383. [19:36:24] <qid> well, that opens all kinds of complexity issues
  384. [19:36:39] <bewest> it's not that complex if applictions implement evdb-like web api's
  385. [19:36:45] <bewest> or use microformats
  386. [19:37:00] <qid> suppose that bug has some wiki comment on it you want to edit, and the wiki comment includes a reference to a bug... pretty soon you can get yourself into a real mess
  387. [19:37:10] <bewest> meh
  388. [19:38:05] <qid> shortcuts like that can be nice, but you need to be really careful you don't overload the user with nested controls
  389. [19:38:12] <bewest> anyway, I'd also like to use owl or something to declare what my data structures are, to automatically create the database storage engine, and also publish an evdb-like web api
  390. [19:38:36] <bewest> anyone know of tools to do that?
  391. [19:39:06] <qid> that sounds vaguely like something rails would do
  392. [19:39:11] <qid> or could be made to do
  393. [19:39:13] <bewest> yeah, I was also pointed to django
  394. [19:39:18] <bewest> a buddy of mine is looking at hibernate
  395. [19:39:20] <bewest> for java
  396. [19:39:30] <bewest> but hibernate is java specific and provides java specific api, not a web api
  397. [19:39:42] <qid> java for web apps is still just kind of ugly
  398. [19:40:05] <bewest> qid: the only problem with that kind of nesting are transactional problems... what happens when while you are dereferencing a resource, something else delete is?
  399. [19:40:10] <bewest> erm deletes it?
  400. [19:40:52] <qid> that's a significant technical problem, I was talking more specifically about UI problems
  401. [19:41:45] <qid> also keep in mind that ideally, the only person who should be able to close a bug is the person that opened it
  402. [19:42:21] <qid> which is only a small part of what you're talking about but still something to keep in mind
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  404. [19:44:00] <bewest> ah, well the UI I'm picturing is similar to Jef Raskin's Humane Interface ideas combined with this tiddlywiki thing
  405. [19:44:37] <bewest> zoom in/out, direct manipulation, monotous (as much as possible) interfaces, affordance
  406. [19:53:34] <KevinMarks> dabbledb does stuff a bit like that
  407. [19:53:40] <KevinMarks> though it is in smalltalk
  408. [19:53:42] <bewest> dabbledb?
  409. [19:54:03] <KevinMarks> http://dabbledb.com/
  410. [19:56:18] <bewest> interesting
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  414. [20:06:52] <bewest> hmmm
  415. [20:07:00] <bewest> KevinMarks: do you have experience using dabbledb?
  416. [20:07:06] <bewest> it's not clear what it /is/
  417. [20:07:09] <bewest> is it a development tool?
  418. [20:07:12] <bewest> and interface?
  419. [20:07:28] <bewest> /and/an
  420. [20:07:54] <bewest> does it use owl to create the internal ontologies?
  421. [20:08:41] <KevinMarks> I don't know the details, but ti is another twist on the rapid schema toolkit
  422. [20:08:44] <bewest> ideally I could publish an ontology using a visual programming language, and have a service like this take that deliverable, create the database/storage engine, and have confidence that it is exposed properly in a web api
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  427. [20:11:01] <bewest> preferably it'd be open, too
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  432. [20:41:25] <bewest> aha. evidently I want ORM across the ewb
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  435. [20:46:50] <tantek> ?def ORM
  436. [20:46:50] <jibot> Nobody has defined ORM yet
  437. [20:47:19] <drewinthehead> object relational mapping or somesuch?
  438. [20:47:34] * drewinthehead makes blind guesses in public
  439. [20:48:56] <bewest> yeah
  440. [20:49:11] <bewest> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-relational_mapping
  441. [20:49:24] <bewest> persistent object graphs
  442. [20:53:18] <tantek> ?def ORM is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-relational_mapping
  443. [20:53:19] <jibot> ORM is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-relational_mapping
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  445. [21:01:42] * bewest has a silly question
  446. [21:02:02] <bewest> when we talk about xml namespaces being bad, we mean new arbitrary homegrown namespaces, right?
  447. [21:02:23] <bewest> not necessarily things like rdf and owl that serve different purposes
  448. [21:10:41] <bewest> hmmm maybe xoxo.py + sqlobject
  449. [21:11:00] <tantek> bewest, both
  450. [21:11:10] <tantek> namespaces are bad because they encourage homegrowth
  451. [21:11:15] <tantek> they encourage siloism
  452. [21:11:47] <tantek> namespaces are bad for community
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  454. [21:13:01] <bewest> hmmm
  455. [21:13:20] <bewest> but owl and rdf is already done and there are no microformats to solve the kinds of problems they do
  456. [21:13:22] <pnhChris> dickens:humbug
  457. [21:13:46] <bewest> for example, how map object graphs
  458. [21:14:18] <bewest> I suppose xoxo is somewhat sufficient
  459. [21:14:21] <yakk> tantek is a hater
  460. [21:14:36] * pnhChris goes back to work
  461. [21:14:39] <yakk> I need to make an "RDF is for lovers" tshirt
  462. [21:15:11] * pnhChris points at self and adds a haha of class simpsons:nelson
  463. [21:15:14] <tantek> "RDF is for lovers of triples" would be funnier
  464. [21:16:04] <tantek> bewest, lots of things are "done" which are solutions looking for problems
  465. [21:17:55] <yakk> FOAF is totally useful.... for scraping livejournal...
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  467. [21:22:11] <bewest> tantek: are you suggesting that owl is a solution looking for a problem?
  468. [21:23:30] <tantek> bewest, undecided on owl
  469. [21:24:11] <tantek> i suppose part of the problem is there are so many more "obvious" problems that apply to many more people than the abstractions that seem to attract so much of the effort
  470. [21:24:21] <bewest> hmmm
  471. [21:24:30] <tantek> yakk, i find it ironic you use "scraping" and FOAF in the same sentence
  472. [21:24:40] <yakk> tantek, *grin*
  473. [21:24:42] <tantek> to me that means you're not really using the namespaces
  474. [21:24:48] <bewest> I think most of the effort is spent writing and rewriting the same plumbing over and over again
  475. [21:24:49] <tantek> other than as string literals
  476. [21:24:56] <tantek> bewest, yeah
  477. [21:25:03] <tantek> a lot of plumbingsturbation
  478. [21:25:15] <bewest> because using URI's to do remote object graphing is a wild concept
  479. [21:25:22] <bewest> whether or not it uses namespaces
  480. [21:25:22] <yakk> tantek, I actually process it as RDF, but I walk the FOAF rdf to produce my own internal representation
  481. [21:26:05] <tantek> something simpler perhaps?
  482. [21:26:39] <yakk> I found opera's sparql engine today...
  483. [21:27:24] <yakk> I'm experimenting with atom+microformats+opensearch a little
  484. [21:27:51] <bewest> plumbsturbation
  485. [21:27:59] <yakk> but everyone who is using atom pub to power non-blog content seem to be using their own namespaced xml :(
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  488. [21:45:12] <tantek> "their own namespaced xml :(" - that is the essence of the problem with namespaces in a nutshell
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  490. [21:48:56] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  491. [21:54:01] <yakk> tantek, yeah
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  496. [22:09:17] <drewinthehead> oh look, it's me.
  497. [22:09:19] <drewinthehead> hmm.
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  499. [22:12:29] <qid> heh
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  505. [22:32:24] <jibot> chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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  509. [23:13:58] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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  513. [23:26:54] <bewest> interesting: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/RDB-RDF.html is what I want to do... but with better URI's and with better data format...maybe XOXO
  514. [23:36:33] * bewest takes a look at DanC's dbview.py
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  518. [23:58:13] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.

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