IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-09-06

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  3. [00:15:31] <mfbot> [[podcasts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=8395 * Tantek * (+142) this year -
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  6. [00:45:53] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8396 * Tantek * (+272) added how to contribute section.
  7. [00:48:14] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8397 * Tantek * (+192) How to contribute -
  8. [00:48:24] <tantek> greetings
  9. [00:49:01] <tantek> I just added a "How to contribute" section to the wiki home page - take a look. I'd love to hear suggestions for this section.
  10. [00:49:16] <jibot> JB2 is aka JohnBolton
  11. [00:49:35] <tantek> There are a lot of folks here who probably found microformats, liked them, but then were not sure how to help out. I'm hoping we can expand this section to answer that question for new visitors/enthusiasts.
  12. [00:52:10] <bewest> contibute to the how to contribute?
  13. [00:52:16] <bewest> but how would we know how?
  14. [00:53:03] <bewest> not nearly as funny as it was in my head
  15. [00:53:10] * bewest jots a note to look at that later
  16. [00:54:06] <dardarsauce> I would love to work on hMedia (or wahtever the media microformat is going to be called)
  17. [00:54:42] <dardarsauce> I have an in-progress draft for my own project, not sure how it fits in this whole mix though, and I've referenced all the media links and other drafts/specs
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  19. [01:05:01] <yakk> APE!
  20. [01:08:14] <tantek> hah! (delayed laugh for bewest)
  21. [01:08:23] <tantek> dardarsauce, media-info
  22. [01:08:28] <tantek> is where the work on that is happening now
  23. [01:08:56] <dardarsauce> i've looked through all of it and used it for my own mockup
  24. [01:09:04] <dardarsauce> referenced mediarss and the whole bit
  25. [01:10:01] <dardarsauce> its just a lot for one person to wrap his head around, but this code is going into production late december
  26. [01:28:46] <yakk> hrm, does anyone have spare Vox invites?
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  28. [01:39:17] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=8398 * John Allsopp * (+249) Examples in the wild -
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  34. [02:23:17] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  45. [03:23:31] * tantek just now realizes that there are millions of "geo" microformatted pages on the Web thanks to Flickr's geo support.
  46. [03:23:35] <tantek> wow
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  49. [03:26:14] <bewes1> nifty
  50. [03:28:48] <tantek> bewes1, shouldn't you be bewes7 ?
  51. [03:29:04] <bewes1> I should be bewest
  52. [03:29:08] <bewes1> I think messed it up
  53. [03:29:20] <bewes1> tried aliasing the other one
  54. [03:29:29] <bewes1> got it backwards or something :-(
  55. [03:29:55] * bewes1 is gonna go figure this out
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  58. [03:34:46] <mfbot> [[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=8399 * Tantek * (+201) added Flickr geotagged photos - 2.9M geotagged pages. wow.
  59. [03:35:09] <tantek> correction, make that 2.94m+ pages with "geo"
  60. [03:35:39] <tantek> once again, Yahoo/Flickr raises the bar in microformats support
  61. [03:37:57] <KevinMarks> yay
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  63. [03:43:41] <pnhChris> i think like 12 of those are mine :P
  64. [03:44:37] <pnhChris> but i still think its a pain to drag and drop photos with any accuracy when there's not any kind of landmark in the photo (like a tree in the middle of the woods not making a sound)
  65. [03:45:05] <pnhChris> guess i need me a nikon d200 with GPS unit
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  70. [03:54:07] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  71. [03:56:23] <pnhChris> that or some kind of fuzzy / precision bit on the data
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  73. [03:56:36] <pnhChris> "kinda sorta in between here and there"
  74. [03:58:13] <KevinMarks> well, I argued for that originally
  75. [03:58:21] <KevinMarks> I think flickr takes the zoom level into account
  76. [03:58:27] <KevinMarks> so if you aren't sure, zoom out more
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  83. [04:48:43] <pnhChris> its more then that i guess KevinMarks
  84. [04:48:59] <pnhChris> particularly for my (maybe not so common) use cases
  85. [04:50:26] <pnhChris> part of it is that zoomed out it becomes too easy to (wrongly) group something with existing
  86. [04:51:08] <pnhChris> but more that I know relationships in some cases, even through i don't konw specific points.. so I see "wrong" a lot easier then i do "right"
  87. [04:53:28] <pnhChris> http://flickr.com/map/?&user_id=93007059@N00&fLat=40.732517&fLon=-74.301352&zl=2&min_upload_date=946713600&min_taken_date=1970-01-01%2000:00:00&map_type=sat
  88. [04:53:42] <pnhChris> (if that works)
  89. [04:54:20] <pnhChris> but the items with landmarks work... its the others that i kinda want to say either "somewhere in this park" or "between A&B"
  90. [04:54:41] <pnhChris> or just get a GPS device to auto tag my images :P
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  92. [04:55:04] <pnhChris> i ran him out!
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  95. [05:03:52] <pnhChris> well g'night
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  107. [06:44:22] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  109. [06:52:06] <bewest> heh, tantek just read one of your replies to chris RE: picking something specific versus bouncing around
  110. [06:52:18] <bewest> totally relevant to me in totally unconnected ways :-)
  111. [06:53:15] <bewest> I usually observe the inverse: people who get a lot of things done tend to write a lot of things down
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  126. [09:39:07] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=8400 * Phae * (+292) Added myself so I will have to get things done!
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  132. [10:04:18] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  140. [11:04:13] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  149. [11:41:57] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
  150. [11:43:26] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8401 * Raster * (+104) Examples in the wild - added www.intertecnollc.com
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  152. [11:46:47] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8402 * Raster * (+52) Examples in the wild - added rasterweb.net/portfolio link
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  169. [13:48:02] <CreativePony> hiya
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  171. [13:49:43] <Whiskey_M> 'lo :)
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  173. [13:50:53] <Whiskey_M> wb ben
  174. [13:50:55] <CreativePony> Hiya Whiskey
  175. [13:51:11] <Whiskey_M> how goes?
  176. [13:53:17] <CreativePony> well :)
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  179. [13:53:53] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
  180. [13:53:58] <CreativePony> I'm wondering about a possible way to make the profiles in a website i'm working on, fit in to some existing microformat, as i'd like them to be computer readable :)
  181. [13:54:24] <Whiskey_M> what are the profiles of?
  182. [13:54:55] <CreativePony> fictional characters
  183. [13:55:25] <Whiskey_M> okay, interesting - care to share the uri?
  184. [13:55:33] <CreativePony> it has stats like height, age, species, details about their appearence and personality, and contact details for the owner of the profile
  185. [13:56:07] <CreativePony> I'd rather not.. the current site is a bit embarrasing
  186. [13:56:46] <CreativePony> in a week or two the whole things being replaced with new software which is pretty much done, so now i'm casually looking in to extra little bits of hidden shinyness i can add in the mean time
  187. [13:57:24] <Whiskey_M> contact details suggests something like hCard - but things like species etc. I don't think cropped up when people were defining the vCard standard ( could be wrong there, the people that write RFCs from reading them could be capable of anything, I have an image of the author assigning all their pets vCards)
  188. [13:57:55] <CreativePony> heh
  189. [13:58:21] <CreativePony> i was pondering hcard, even if only some of the fields were parsable with that
  190. [13:58:40] <blueNine> Can you create custom vCard fields?
  191. [13:58:50] <blueNine> There's no reason why you could make your own parser to take advantage of it.
  192. [13:59:26] <CreativePony> i dont have any vcards..
  193. [14:00:09] <blueNine> I'm not sure of the vCard spec, but if it allows for customised fields, then you could modify a hCard parser to create them.
  194. [14:00:19] <blueNine> Just an idea.
  195. [14:00:26] <CreativePony> the data's all in a mysql database, what i was wondering about was changing the rendering template for the profile view function to output something hcard parsers could understand
  196. [14:00:45] <CreativePony> yeah.. vcard does the x-thingy for extensions
  197. [14:00:48] <Whiskey_M> I'll let someone else answer that one... using hCard on the bits that are hCardable should be fine, if you wish to carry on the principle to other elements they are unlikely to be understood by the standard parse engines etc. but I can't personally see the harm
  198. [14:02:20] <briansuda> Whiskey_M is right, add hCard where applicable, and use semantic values of the other terms
  199. [14:03:05] <briansuda> an hCard -> vCard will loose those, but eventually is v/hCard is ever extended, then you either already have the correct values, or your values are used in the wild and are the basis of the extentions
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  202. [14:04:04] <CreativePony> okie
  203. [14:04:39] <dc__> kokey
  204. [14:05:49] <briansuda> hello dc__
  205. [14:06:05] <dc__> hi briansuda !
  206. [14:06:16] <dc__> briansuda: I was hoping we'd get to some xfn hacking at barcamp london
  207. [14:06:19] <dc__> but oooh no
  208. [14:06:21] <briansuda> any time for lifestalker recently?
  209. [14:06:27] <dc__> freaking werewholf
  210. [14:06:30] <briansuda> you just answer my question
  211. [14:06:43] <briansuda> maybe dConstruct
  212. [14:06:47] <dc__> no, but we've just finished the project which was taking all our time
  213. [14:06:51] <dc__> so I can now
  214. [14:06:57] <dc__> funny thing is
  215. [14:07:09] <briansuda> cool, i've settled in and i have more time on my hands now
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  217. [14:07:13] <dc__> great
  218. [14:07:17] <dc__> Glen who has created the dconstruct backnetwork is doing the exact same thing
  219. [14:07:27] <dc__> they're taking an commercial approach though
  220. [14:07:30] <dc__> where as we have a spider.
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  222. [14:07:35] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
  223. [14:07:39] <dc__> but.. he has done work with a timeline etc.
  224. [14:07:51] <briansuda> hm...
  225. [14:08:03] <briansuda> backnetwork doesn't really do rel-me
  226. [14:08:06] <dc__> right.
  227. [14:08:07] <briansuda> which was tripping us up
  228. [14:08:11] <dc__> I spoke to glen
  229. [14:08:15] <dc__> and he's pushed the change now
  230. [14:08:36] <dc__> so the deal is.. you have to put rel=me pointing to your domain on any pages with your xfn links
  231. [14:09:14] <dc__> this needs to be published somewhere though.. as I imagine i'll take a while to push it to everyone :/
  232. [14:09:19] <dc__> briansuda: what are you views on this fix?
  233. [14:09:20] <briansuda> k, i know ma.gnolia.com also introduced recipricol rel-me links
  234. [14:09:40] <dc__> magnolia guys are good :)
  235. [14:09:54] <briansuda> i'd have to see it all in action to make sure, but i think our old way will work
  236. [14:10:03] <briansuda> we just were missing a step somewhere
  237. [14:10:09] <briansuda> or assuming something we shouldn't
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  239. [14:10:31] <dc__> our old way?
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  241. [14:11:16] <briansuda> i think so
  242. [14:11:45] <briansuda> we'd need to go through all of the possible senarios to make sure everything is covered
  243. [14:12:17] <briansuda> rel-me => rel-me, rel-me => no rel-me
  244. [14:12:17] <briansuda> our issue was with the "root domain"
  245. [14:12:44] <briansuda> i have claimid.com/briansuda and rel-me'd that, but we were taking the root, (claimid.com) so it was thinking that was me
  246. [14:13:13] <briansuda> what did Glen have to say about it?
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  248. [14:15:13] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  251. [14:20:55] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  252. [14:24:10] <briansuda> hm. they must be working on it right now (http://dconstruct06.madgex.com/) it seems to be down
  253. [14:24:19] <briansuda> crazy Django errors
  254. [14:24:32] <briansuda> sorry, that's an ASP.net error!
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  259. [14:47:29] <mfbot> [[rel-design-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=8404 * KrissWatt * (+1) How to use it -
  260. [14:53:50] <mfbot> [[User:KrissWatt]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:KrissWatt * KrissWatt * (+157)
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  265. [15:06:33] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent&diff=0&oldid=8406 * Robert Brook * (+77) Attending -
  266. [15:06:49] <mfbot> [[User:Robert Brook]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Robert_Brook * Robert Brook * (+26)
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  271. [15:29:03] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  279. [16:04:35] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  281. [16:08:12] <jibot> evanpro is Evan Prodromou, info at http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Evan
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  295. [16:36:58] * bewes1 really b0rked his nick last night
  296. [16:39:02] <Whiskey_M> ?
  297. [16:39:05] <Whiskey_M> neck?
  298. [16:40:04] * bewes1 is now known as bewest
  299. [16:40:28] <bewest> ah... I feel better
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  301. [16:40:32] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  303. [16:40:38] <Whiskey_M> lol
  304. [16:43:27] <Whiskey_M> so what's new?
  305. [16:44:46] <tantek> Whiskey_M - thanks to Flickr there are now 2.9M+ pages that publish information with the "geo" microformat.
  306. [16:45:45] <Whiskey_M> sweet :)
  307. [16:46:08] <bewest> the map lover in me is drooling all over the desk
  308. [16:47:25] <trovster> Flickr added photos I had already geotagged (correctly). I fixed the ones I had geotagged incorrectly. And there is no way to add them to the map :(
  309. [16:49:47] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8407 * Mmartinez * (+121) Examples in the wild -
  310. [16:51:27] <yakk> hmm
  311. [16:51:48] <yakk> I need to write my flock microformat scraper
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  314. [16:59:33] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
  315. [16:59:34] <Whiskey_M> anyone got any suggested reading on tactics get css and microformats co-existing without the need to beat my designers around the head with a unix manual?
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  325. [17:31:57] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  326. [17:32:17] <qid> hey ryan
  327. [17:32:32] <kingryan> hi qid
  328. [17:32:50] <qid> any reason you're using jibot for the channel bot and not something like bitchbot (http://www.r1ch.net/projects/bitchbot/)?
  329. [17:33:06] <kingryan> 'cause the jibot author set it up
  330. [17:33:14] <kingryan> aka termie
  331. [17:33:31] * termie roars
  332. [17:33:41] <termie> also because lots of people asked it to be here
  333. [17:33:55] <termie> it's popularish
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  339. [17:47:36] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  344. [18:00:15] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  362. [19:06:56] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  365. [19:07:17] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  374. [19:32:53] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8408 * Tobias Boyd * (+86) Examples in the wild -
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  380. [20:11:27] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  381. [20:11:56] <jibot> Catspaw is Michelle Levesque & blogs at http://www.insanecats.com/ & Kazpah (A) on Eitrigg (US) on WoW & recently moved to SF & now assimulated by the borGoogle & *NDA* & is AKA the Google Hottie
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  402. [21:12:19] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  404. [21:14:26] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  406. [21:20:45] <drewinthehead> evenin'
  407. [21:20:56] <briansuda> hello
  408. [21:21:12] <drewinthehead> hi briansuda
  409. [21:21:47] <drewinthehead> i've just been prototyping an XFN lint tool
  410. [21:22:02] <briansuda> good to know
  411. [21:22:12] <briansuda> this is the second XFN conversation i've had today
  412. [21:22:16] <Phae> heh
  413. [21:22:41] * kingryan_ just started indexing XFN today
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  416. [21:23:31] <briansuda> indexing how?
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  419. [21:24:31] <kingryan> pulling them out of our data stream at technorati and putting them in our new mf data store
  420. [21:24:49] <kingryan> which should be live (minus xfn stuff) on kitchen.technorati.com someday soon
  421. [21:24:55] <kingryan> (as soon as tantek quits finding bugs)
  422. [21:25:53] <briansuda> maybe we should all pool our efforts because we are working out issues with rel-me
  423. [21:26:14] <kingryan> what issues?
  424. [21:27:14] <briansuda> well, it would be nice in a blog post like http://example.org/blog/12/ that has a link to suda.co.uk with a rel=friend
  425. [21:27:30] <briansuda> that i could then say, Oh, example.org/blog is owned by John smith
  426. [21:27:39] <briansuda> and he is also my rel=friend in a blog roll
  427. [21:27:57] <briansuda> but you can't tell that example.org/blog is the same as example.org/blog/12
  428. [21:28:09] <kingryan> well, there is the implied rel="me" thing
  429. [21:28:13] <kingryan> which gets you halfway there
  430. [21:28:17] <briansuda> right
  431. [21:28:30] <kingryan> (plus, wouldn't that link likely also appear on http://example.org/blog/ ?)
  432. [21:28:42] <briansuda> maybe maybe-not
  433. [21:29:05] <briansuda> i am thinking things like slashdot, i have a profile page, and if i get an article on the front page it links to my profile
  434. [21:29:12] <briansuda> then i can claim ALL of slashdot
  435. [21:29:16] <briansuda> which isn't true
  436. [21:29:22] <briansuda> i can only claim the profile page there
  437. [21:29:34] <briansuda> but on my own site, i WANT to claim the root-domain as well
  438. [21:29:49] <briansuda> so EVERY blog post would also need a rel="me" to the homepage
  439. [21:30:01] <briansuda> so you can follow the trail
  440. [21:30:18] * kingryan is cheating, this is right in front of me (http://meyerweb.com/pix/2004/ht04-poster.jpg)
  441. [21:30:36] <kingryan> right, briansuda
  442. [21:31:47] <briansuda> so without a list of domains where you can/can't consider the root-domain cover any "folders" /blog/12/
  443. [21:32:01] <briansuda> maybe you guys thought of a clever way to get around this?
  444. [21:32:21] <briansuda> ma.gnolia solved this with ONLY reciprocal rel-me
  445. [21:32:50] <briansuda> and, is that poster (ht04-poster.jpg) actually downloadable somewhere?
  446. [21:33:58] <drewinthehead> Phae: hacked this together on the train this evening: http://tools.microformatic.com/rel-lint/rel-lint.html
  447. [21:34:19] <Phae> ohhhh
  448. [21:34:20] <drewinthehead> it's a prototype of the validator idea we discussed last night
  449. [21:34:22] * Phae tries it.
  450. [21:34:36] <drewinthehead> calling it a 'lint' tool - seems to be the better phrase
  451. [21:34:44] <Phae> oh, sweet. the font is miniscule for me though
  452. [21:34:55] <Phae> its like, 6pt
  453. [21:34:56] <Phae> heh
  454. [21:35:03] <drewinthehead> ah, yes, it's probably relative to the page .. i'll fix it
  455. [21:35:52] <briansuda> um, what is it suppose to do?
  456. [21:35:54] <Phae> Probably. I find that with the GM userscript for uFs too. Grabs the page style, and sometimes makes the click-menu very hard to see.
  457. [21:36:39] <drewinthehead> it checks rel values on links against a list of known values, briansuda
  458. [21:36:52] <drewinthehead> so add it as a favelet, then click it on a page with XFN
  459. [21:36:53] <Phae> It validated my XFN as OK. :)
  460. [21:37:08] <briansuda> does it show you any that are present?
  461. [21:37:11] <drewinthehead> shows up a few quirks on your site for me, Phae
  462. [21:37:21] <bewest> heh. how do I make it go away?
  463. [21:37:23] <Phae> on the main blog?
  464. [21:37:27] <drewinthehead> only shows ones it finds suspicious, briansuda
  465. [21:37:28] <Phae> I just tested my links page
  466. [21:37:30] * bewest sees no "close this dialog" button
  467. [21:37:30] <drewinthehead> yeah, Phae
  468. [21:37:38] <Phae> oh
  469. [21:37:40] <drewinthehead> there's no way to close it .. just reload the page
  470. [21:37:43] <Phae> it's my lack of spelling ability!
  471. [21:37:47] <Phae> I hate colleague
  472. [21:37:49] <briansuda> ok, that's why it doesn't show me anything but the list of values
  473. [21:37:51] <Phae> I can never decide on the u
  474. [21:37:59] <bewest> drewinthehead: cool
  475. [21:38:04] * Phae fixes.
  476. [21:38:15] <briansuda> one suggestion, maybe don't make the box 'fixed'
  477. [21:38:30] <drewinthehead> try it on http://fberriman.com/ for a nice example of finding some typos :)
  478. [21:38:30] <briansuda> i was half way down the page when i hit the favelet
  479. [21:38:43] <drewinthehead> yeah, it's totally a rough prototype
  480. [21:38:47] <briansuda> nothing appeared on my screen, i had to scroll back up
  481. [21:38:54] <drewinthehead> i literally just hacked it together on the train just now
  482. [21:39:23] <briansuda> it is pretty cool when it finds a problem
  483. [21:39:31] <cgriego> yay, lint tools. we need more lint tools.
  484. [21:39:35] * DanC tunes in for a just touch of office hours, dividing his attention with slide prep for next week's event http://www.utexas.edu/president/symposium/index.html
  485. [21:39:48] <briansuda> i'd suggest an "everything's OK" output too
  486. [21:39:56] <drewinthehead> there should be
  487. [21:40:07] <drewinthehead> it should say "all looks OK to me"
  488. [21:40:15] <drewinthehead> that may be a bug
  489. [21:40:16] <bewest> yes
  490. [21:40:17] <briansuda> now i see it.
  491. [21:40:36] <Phae> I like it though!
  492. [21:41:11] <drewinthehead> tried to make it low-effort by being just a bookmarklet thingy
  493. [21:41:54] <Phae> yeah
  494. [21:42:39] <drewinthehead> right .. i need to go fuel the car up in order to get to d.Construct .. back in a short while.
  495. [21:42:50] <Phae> I suppose the next thing that might be useful with it would be to show a line number, or where it sits in the page (i.e. the lines just before/after)
  496. [21:43:13] <briansuda> or the link text
  497. [21:43:18] <Phae> yep
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  500. [21:48:27] <DanC> hmm... maybe I should stop feeling guilty about missing #microformats office hours, now that the GRDDL WG is making progress on microformats/GRDDL primer stuff.
  501. [21:48:58] <DanC> I would like to put something of a bow on the hCard testing effort.
  502. [21:49:24] <DanC> there was some talk of a sort of last-call... did that go out? just to uf-dev, or to all of uf-discuss?
  503. [21:49:45] <DanC> kingryan, do you recall? briansuda ?
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  505. [21:59:06] <Phae> drewinthehead; another thing that might be nice is to show how many XFN links were found in a page, at least so you know if it's missed them altogether or something, or not.
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  507. [22:00:31] * drewinthehead returns :)
  508. [22:01:12] <Phae> I assume it says that everything is OK! even if there's no XFN links in a page
  509. [22:01:13] <drewinthehead> Phae: i put a unique ID on each link as i find it, so we could do something like scrolling to the error and styling it
  510. [22:01:22] <drewinthehead> yeah, it will
  511. [22:01:23] <Phae> alright
  512. [22:01:57] <drewinthehead> this kind of works as a proof of concept. i think the next stage is to properly design how it should work and how the user interacts with it
  513. [22:02:06] <drewinthehead> what information to display and how
  514. [22:02:12] <Phae> yeah. i'm clicking it on every random page i visit.
  515. [22:02:20] <Phae> sometimes things sit on top of the box
  516. [22:02:53] <drewinthehead> oo.. that's novel! :)
  517. [22:03:10] <Phae> It's probably nothing major.
  518. [22:03:23] <drewinthehead> it probably needs a high z-index and an hackish iframe behind it
  519. [22:04:37] <briansuda> DanC, do you mean a last call on the tests?
  520. [22:05:13] <briansuda> i still don't pass two tests, mainly the include pattern, because there is still debate about how that spec is actually interpreted
  521. [22:05:23] <Phae> hackish iframe
  522. [22:05:26] <Phae> nono ew.
  523. [22:05:50] <drewinthehead> unfortunately that's what has to be done to stop things like flash coming to the top
  524. [22:05:55] <drewinthehead> it's icky and horrid
  525. [22:06:43] <Phae> yes
  526. [22:06:45] <DanC> yes, last call on the tests. ah.. still an open issue.
  527. [22:06:58] <briansuda> atleast one issue
  528. [22:07:03] <DanC> and the open issue is in the anybody/somebody/nobody pile?
  529. [22:07:25] <briansuda> last i remember tantek was in-different on which way it went
  530. [22:07:59] <briansuda> my debate was when including from an ID, can you put properties in the class on the same ELEMENT as the id, or on children, eg...
  531. [22:08:03] * DanC isn't sure he has the energy to do the last 80% of the work here.
  532. [22:08:47] <DanC> yes, I recall the debate/issue.
  533. [22:08:50] <briansuda> being as well, that sometimes new ideas pop-up such as, a.include i'm not sure the tests can ever be fixed
  534. [22:09:00] <briansuda> not fixed, closed
  535. [22:09:06] <briansuda> frozen
  536. [22:09:29] <briansuda> this is where profile URIs would tell you which "version" of hCard you are using...
  537. [22:09:34] <DanC> er... a.include... I've seen that fly by a few times... what's a good place to read about it?
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  539. [22:10:03] <briansuda> mailing list, google "site:microformats.org/discuss/ a.include"
  540. [22:10:09] <DanC> er... I kinda thought the premise of microformats is that it's not really worth distinguishing versions; i.e "let's all just agree"
  541. [22:10:26] <tantek> DanC, yes, but there are those that want details ;)
  542. [22:11:40] <DanC> as I say, I would like to put a bow on the work that we did on hCard testing. But I know that finishing things is 80% of the work, and I'm not sure I'm sufficiently committed. I guess I'm sorta happy for the issue to take as long as it takes, like everybody else seems to be.
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  545. [22:15:12] <kingryan> I need to run
  546. [22:15:28] <kingryan> re: the tests: DanC I'm not sure we'll ever close the tests
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  548. [22:15:43] <kingryan> there's always more edge cases to find and test
  549. [22:17:39] <kingryan> I need to leave, email me if there's any issues I can help with
  550. [22:17:42] <kingryan> later.
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