IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-09-06
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[[podcasts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=8395 * Tantek * (+142) this year -
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8396 * Tantek * (+272) added how to contribute section.
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8397 * Tantek * (+192) How to contribute -
- [00:48:24] <tantek>
greetings
- [00:49:01] <tantek>
I just added a "How to contribute" section to the wiki home page - take a look. I'd love to hear suggestions for this section.
- [00:49:16] <jibot>
JB2 is aka JohnBolton
- [00:49:35] <tantek>
There are a lot of folks here who probably found microformats, liked them, but then were not sure how to help out. I'm hoping we can expand this section to answer that question for new visitors/enthusiasts.
- [00:52:10] <bewest>
contibute to the how to contribute?
- [00:52:16] <bewest>
but how would we know how?
- [00:53:03] <bewest>
not nearly as funny as it was in my head
- [00:53:10] * bewest jots a note to look at that later
- [00:54:06] <dardarsauce>
I would love to work on hMedia (or wahtever the media microformat is going to be called)
- [00:54:42] <dardarsauce>
I have an in-progress draft for my own project, not sure how it fits in this whole mix though, and I've referenced all the media links and other drafts/specs
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- [01:05:01] <yakk>
APE!
- [01:08:14] <tantek>
hah! (delayed laugh for bewest)
- [01:08:23] <tantek>
dardarsauce, media-info
- [01:08:28] <tantek>
is where the work on that is happening now
- [01:08:56] <dardarsauce>
i've looked through all of it and used it for my own mockup
- [01:09:04] <dardarsauce>
referenced mediarss and the whole bit
- [01:10:01] <dardarsauce>
its just a lot for one person to wrap his head around, but this code is going into production late december
- [01:28:46] <yakk>
hrm, does anyone have spare Vox invites?
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=8398 * John Allsopp * (+249) Examples in the wild -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [03:23:31] * tantek just now realizes that there are millions of "geo" microformatted pages on the Web thanks to Flickr's geo support.
- [03:23:35] <tantek>
wow
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- [03:26:14] <bewes1>
nifty
- [03:28:48] <tantek>
bewes1, shouldn't you be bewes7 ?
- [03:29:04] <bewes1>
I should be bewest
- [03:29:08] <bewes1>
I think messed it up
- [03:29:20] <bewes1>
tried aliasing the other one
- [03:29:29] <bewes1>
got it backwards or something :-(
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[[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=8399 * Tantek * (+201) added Flickr geotagged photos - 2.9M geotagged pages. wow.
- [03:35:09] <tantek>
correction, make that 2.94m+ pages with "geo"
- [03:35:39] <tantek>
once again, Yahoo/Flickr raises the bar in microformats support
- [03:37:57] <KevinMarks>
yay
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- [03:43:41] <pnhChris>
i think like 12 of those are mine :P
- [03:44:37] <pnhChris>
but i still think its a pain to drag and drop photos with any accuracy when there's not any kind of landmark in the photo (like a tree in the middle of the woods not making a sound)
- [03:45:05] <pnhChris>
guess i need me a nikon d200 with GPS unit
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
- [03:56:23] <pnhChris>
that or some kind of fuzzy / precision bit on the data
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- [03:56:36] <pnhChris>
"kinda sorta in between here and there"
- [03:58:13] <KevinMarks>
well, I argued for that originally
- [03:58:21] <KevinMarks>
I think flickr takes the zoom level into account
- [03:58:27] <KevinMarks>
so if you aren't sure, zoom out more
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- [04:48:43] <pnhChris>
its more then that i guess KevinMarks
- [04:48:59] <pnhChris>
particularly for my (maybe not so common) use cases
- [04:50:26] <pnhChris>
part of it is that zoomed out it becomes too easy to (wrongly) group something with existing
- [04:51:08] <pnhChris>
but more that I know relationships in some cases, even through i don't konw specific points.. so I see "wrong" a lot easier then i do "right"
- [04:53:28] <pnhChris>
http://flickr.com/map/?&user_id=93007059@N00&fLat=40.732517&fLon=-74.301352&zl=2&min_upload_date=946713600&min_taken_date=1970-01-01%2000:00:00&map_type=sat
- [04:53:42] <pnhChris>
(if that works)
- [04:54:20] <pnhChris>
but the items with landmarks work... its the others that i kinda want to say either "somewhere in this park" or "between A&B"
- [04:54:41] <pnhChris>
or just get a GPS device to auto tag my images :P
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- [04:55:04] <pnhChris>
i ran him out!
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- [05:03:52] <pnhChris>
well g'night
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [06:52:06] <bewest>
heh, tantek just read one of your replies to chris RE: picking something specific versus bouncing around
- [06:52:18] <bewest>
totally relevant to me in totally unconnected ways :-)
- [06:53:15] <bewest>
I usually observe the inverse: people who get a lot of things done tend to write a lot of things down
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=8400 * Phae * (+292) Added myself so I will have to get things done!
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8401 * Raster * (+104) Examples in the wild - added www.intertecnollc.com
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8402 * Raster * (+52) Examples in the wild - added rasterweb.net/portfolio link
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[[events/2006-09-08-brighton-microformats-picnic]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-08-brighton-microformats-picnic&diff=0&oldid=8403 * Trovster * (+42) Attending -
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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- [13:48:02] <CreativePony>
hiya
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- [13:49:43] <Whiskey_M>
'lo :)
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- [13:50:53] <Whiskey_M>
wb ben
- [13:50:55] <CreativePony>
Hiya Whiskey
- [13:51:11] <Whiskey_M>
how goes?
- [13:53:17] <CreativePony>
well :)
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
- [13:53:58] <CreativePony>
I'm wondering about a possible way to make the profiles in a website i'm working on, fit in to some existing microformat, as i'd like them to be computer readable :)
- [13:54:24] <Whiskey_M>
what are the profiles of?
- [13:54:55] <CreativePony>
fictional characters
- [13:55:25] <Whiskey_M>
okay, interesting - care to share the uri?
- [13:55:33] <CreativePony>
it has stats like height, age, species, details about their appearence and personality, and contact details for the owner of the profile
- [13:56:07] <CreativePony>
I'd rather not.. the current site is a bit embarrasing
- [13:56:46] <CreativePony>
in a week or two the whole things being replaced with new software which is pretty much done, so now i'm casually looking in to extra little bits of hidden shinyness i can add in the mean time
- [13:57:24] <Whiskey_M>
contact details suggests something like hCard - but things like species etc. I don't think cropped up when people were defining the vCard standard ( could be wrong there, the people that write RFCs from reading them could be capable of anything, I have an image of the author assigning all their pets vCards)
- [13:57:55] <CreativePony>
heh
- [13:58:21] <CreativePony>
i was pondering hcard, even if only some of the fields were parsable with that
- [13:58:40] <blueNine>
Can you create custom vCard fields?
- [13:58:50] <blueNine>
There's no reason why you could make your own parser to take advantage of it.
- [13:59:26] <CreativePony>
i dont have any vcards..
- [14:00:09] <blueNine>
I'm not sure of the vCard spec, but if it allows for customised fields, then you could modify a hCard parser to create them.
- [14:00:19] <blueNine>
Just an idea.
- [14:00:26] <CreativePony>
the data's all in a mysql database, what i was wondering about was changing the rendering template for the profile view function to output something hcard parsers could understand
- [14:00:45] <CreativePony>
yeah.. vcard does the x-thingy for extensions
- [14:00:48] <Whiskey_M>
I'll let someone else answer that one... using hCard on the bits that are hCardable should be fine, if you wish to carry on the principle to other elements they are unlikely to be understood by the standard parse engines etc. but I can't personally see the harm
- [14:02:20] <briansuda>
Whiskey_M is right, add hCard where applicable, and use semantic values of the other terms
- [14:03:05] <briansuda>
an hCard -> vCard will loose those, but eventually is v/hCard is ever extended, then you either already have the correct values, or your values are used in the wild and are the basis of the extentions
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- [14:04:04] <CreativePony>
okie
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kokey
- [14:05:49] <briansuda>
hello dc__
- [14:06:05] <dc__>
hi briansuda !
- [14:06:16] <dc__>
briansuda: I was hoping we'd get to some xfn hacking at barcamp london
- [14:06:19] <dc__>
but oooh no
- [14:06:21] <briansuda>
any time for lifestalker recently?
- [14:06:27] <dc__>
freaking werewholf
- [14:06:30] <briansuda>
you just answer my question
- [14:06:43] <briansuda>
maybe dConstruct
- [14:06:47] <dc__>
no, but we've just finished the project which was taking all our time
- [14:06:51] <dc__>
so I can now
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funny thing is
- [14:07:09] <briansuda>
cool, i've settled in and i have more time on my hands now
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- [14:07:13] <dc__>
great
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Glen who has created the dconstruct backnetwork is doing the exact same thing
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they're taking an commercial approach though
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where as we have a spider.
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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but.. he has done work with a timeline etc.
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hm...
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backnetwork doesn't really do rel-me
- [14:08:06] <dc__>
right.
- [14:08:07] <briansuda>
which was tripping us up
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I spoke to glen
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and he's pushed the change now
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so the deal is.. you have to put rel=me pointing to your domain on any pages with your xfn links
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this needs to be published somewhere though.. as I imagine i'll take a while to push it to everyone :/
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briansuda: what are you views on this fix?
- [14:09:20] <briansuda>
k, i know ma.gnolia.com also introduced recipricol rel-me links
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magnolia guys are good :)
- [14:09:54] <briansuda>
i'd have to see it all in action to make sure, but i think our old way will work
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we just were missing a step somewhere
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or assuming something we shouldn't
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our old way?
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i think so
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we'd need to go through all of the possible senarios to make sure everything is covered
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rel-me => rel-me, rel-me => no rel-me
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our issue was with the "root domain"
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i have claimid.com/briansuda and rel-me'd that, but we were taking the root, (claimid.com) so it was thinking that was me
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what did Glen have to say about it?
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hm. they must be working on it right now (http://dconstruct06.madgex.com/) it seems to be down
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crazy Django errors
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sorry, that's an ASP.net error!
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[[events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent&diff=0&oldid=8406 * Robert Brook * (+77) Attending -
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- [16:39:02] <Whiskey_M>
?
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neck?
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ah... I feel better
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- [16:40:38] <Whiskey_M>
lol
- [16:43:27] <Whiskey_M>
so what's new?
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Whiskey_M - thanks to Flickr there are now 2.9M+ pages that publish information with the "geo" microformat.
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sweet :)
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the map lover in me is drooling all over the desk
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Flickr added photos I had already geotagged (correctly). I fixed the ones I had geotagged incorrectly. And there is no way to add them to the map :(
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8407 * Mmartinez * (+121) Examples in the wild -
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hmm
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I need to write my flock microformat scraper
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anyone got any suggested reading on tactics get css and microformats co-existing without the need to beat my designers around the head with a unix manual?
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kingryan is ryan king
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hey ryan
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hi qid
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any reason you're using jibot for the channel bot and not something like bitchbot (http://www.r1ch.net/projects/bitchbot/)?
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'cause the jibot author set it up
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aka termie
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also because lots of people asked it to be here
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it's popularish
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Catspaw is Michelle Levesque & blogs at http://www.insanecats.com/ & Kazpah (A) on Eitrigg (US) on WoW & recently moved to SF & now assimulated by the borGoogle & *NDA* & is AKA the Google Hottie
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evenin'
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hello
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hi briansuda
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i've just been prototyping an XFN lint tool
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good to know
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this is the second XFN conversation i've had today
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heh
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indexing how?
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pulling them out of our data stream at technorati and putting them in our new mf data store
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which should be live (minus xfn stuff) on kitchen.technorati.com someday soon
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(as soon as tantek quits finding bugs)
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maybe we should all pool our efforts because we are working out issues with rel-me
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what issues?
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well, it would be nice in a blog post like http://example.org/blog/12/ that has a link to suda.co.uk with a rel=friend
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that i could then say, Oh, example.org/blog is owned by John smith
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and he is also my rel=friend in a blog roll
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but you can't tell that example.org/blog is the same as example.org/blog/12
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well, there is the implied rel="me" thing
- [21:28:13] <kingryan>
which gets you halfway there
- [21:28:17] <briansuda>
right
- [21:28:30] <kingryan>
(plus, wouldn't that link likely also appear on http://example.org/blog/ ?)
- [21:28:42] <briansuda>
maybe maybe-not
- [21:29:05] <briansuda>
i am thinking things like slashdot, i have a profile page, and if i get an article on the front page it links to my profile
- [21:29:12] <briansuda>
then i can claim ALL of slashdot
- [21:29:16] <briansuda>
which isn't true
- [21:29:22] <briansuda>
i can only claim the profile page there
- [21:29:34] <briansuda>
but on my own site, i WANT to claim the root-domain as well
- [21:29:49] <briansuda>
so EVERY blog post would also need a rel="me" to the homepage
- [21:30:01] <briansuda>
so you can follow the trail
- [21:30:18] * kingryan is cheating, this is right in front of me (http://meyerweb.com/pix/2004/ht04-poster.jpg)
- [21:30:36] <kingryan>
right, briansuda
- [21:31:47] <briansuda>
so without a list of domains where you can/can't consider the root-domain cover any "folders" /blog/12/
- [21:32:01] <briansuda>
maybe you guys thought of a clever way to get around this?
- [21:32:21] <briansuda>
ma.gnolia solved this with ONLY reciprocal rel-me
- [21:32:50] <briansuda>
and, is that poster (ht04-poster.jpg) actually downloadable somewhere?
- [21:33:58] <drewinthehead>
Phae: hacked this together on the train this evening: http://tools.microformatic.com/rel-lint/rel-lint.html
- [21:34:19] <Phae>
ohhhh
- [21:34:20] <drewinthehead>
it's a prototype of the validator idea we discussed last night
- [21:34:22] * Phae tries it.
- [21:34:36] <drewinthehead>
calling it a 'lint' tool - seems to be the better phrase
- [21:34:44] <Phae>
oh, sweet. the font is miniscule for me though
- [21:34:55] <Phae>
its like, 6pt
- [21:34:56] <Phae>
heh
- [21:35:03] <drewinthehead>
ah, yes, it's probably relative to the page .. i'll fix it
- [21:35:52] <briansuda>
um, what is it suppose to do?
- [21:35:54] <Phae>
Probably. I find that with the GM userscript for uFs too. Grabs the page style, and sometimes makes the click-menu very hard to see.
- [21:36:39] <drewinthehead>
it checks rel values on links against a list of known values, briansuda
- [21:36:52] <drewinthehead>
so add it as a favelet, then click it on a page with XFN
- [21:36:53] <Phae>
It validated my XFN as OK. :)
- [21:37:08] <briansuda>
does it show you any that are present?
- [21:37:11] <drewinthehead>
shows up a few quirks on your site for me, Phae
- [21:37:21] <bewest>
heh. how do I make it go away?
- [21:37:23] <Phae>
on the main blog?
- [21:37:27] <drewinthehead>
only shows ones it finds suspicious, briansuda
- [21:37:28] <Phae>
I just tested my links page
- [21:37:30] * bewest sees no "close this dialog" button
- [21:37:30] <drewinthehead>
yeah, Phae
- [21:37:38] <Phae>
oh
- [21:37:40] <drewinthehead>
there's no way to close it .. just reload the page
- [21:37:43] <Phae>
it's my lack of spelling ability!
- [21:37:47] <Phae>
I hate colleague
- [21:37:49] <briansuda>
ok, that's why it doesn't show me anything but the list of values
- [21:37:51] <Phae>
I can never decide on the u
- [21:37:59] <bewest>
drewinthehead: cool
- [21:38:04] * Phae fixes.
- [21:38:15] <briansuda>
one suggestion, maybe don't make the box 'fixed'
- [21:38:30] <drewinthehead>
try it on http://fberriman.com/ for a nice example of finding some typos :)
- [21:38:30] <briansuda>
i was half way down the page when i hit the favelet
- [21:38:43] <drewinthehead>
yeah, it's totally a rough prototype
- [21:38:47] <briansuda>
nothing appeared on my screen, i had to scroll back up
- [21:38:54] <drewinthehead>
i literally just hacked it together on the train just now
- [21:39:23] <briansuda>
it is pretty cool when it finds a problem
- [21:39:31] <cgriego>
yay, lint tools. we need more lint tools.
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- [21:39:48] <briansuda>
i'd suggest an "everything's OK" output too
- [21:39:56] <drewinthehead>
there should be
- [21:40:07] <drewinthehead>
it should say "all looks OK to me"
- [21:40:15] <drewinthehead>
that may be a bug
- [21:40:16] <bewest>
yes
- [21:40:17] <briansuda>
now i see it.
- [21:40:36] <Phae>
I like it though!
- [21:41:11] <drewinthehead>
tried to make it low-effort by being just a bookmarklet thingy
- [21:41:54] <Phae>
yeah
- [21:42:39] <drewinthehead>
right .. i need to go fuel the car up in order to get to d.Construct .. back in a short while.
- [21:42:50] <Phae>
I suppose the next thing that might be useful with it would be to show a line number, or where it sits in the page (i.e. the lines just before/after)
- [21:43:13] <briansuda>
or the link text
- [21:43:18] <Phae>
yep
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- [21:48:27] <DanC>
hmm... maybe I should stop feeling guilty about missing #microformats office hours, now that the GRDDL WG is making progress on microformats/GRDDL primer stuff.
- [21:48:58] <DanC>
I would like to put something of a bow on the hCard testing effort.
- [21:49:24] <DanC>
there was some talk of a sort of last-call... did that go out? just to uf-dev, or to all of uf-discuss?
- [21:49:45] <DanC>
kingryan, do you recall? briansuda ?
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- [21:59:06] <Phae>
drewinthehead; another thing that might be nice is to show how many XFN links were found in a page, at least so you know if it's missed them altogether or something, or not.
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- [22:00:31] * drewinthehead returns :)
- [22:01:12] <Phae>
I assume it says that everything is OK! even if there's no XFN links in a page
- [22:01:13] <drewinthehead>
Phae: i put a unique ID on each link as i find it, so we could do something like scrolling to the error and styling it
- [22:01:22] <drewinthehead>
yeah, it will
- [22:01:23] <Phae>
alright
- [22:01:57] <drewinthehead>
this kind of works as a proof of concept. i think the next stage is to properly design how it should work and how the user interacts with it
- [22:02:06] <drewinthehead>
what information to display and how
- [22:02:12] <Phae>
yeah. i'm clicking it on every random page i visit.
- [22:02:20] <Phae>
sometimes things sit on top of the box
- [22:02:53] <drewinthehead>
oo.. that's novel! :)
- [22:03:10] <Phae>
It's probably nothing major.
- [22:03:23] <drewinthehead>
it probably needs a high z-index and an hackish iframe behind it
- [22:04:37] <briansuda>
DanC, do you mean a last call on the tests?
- [22:05:13] <briansuda>
i still don't pass two tests, mainly the include pattern, because there is still debate about how that spec is actually interpreted
- [22:05:23] <Phae>
hackish iframe
- [22:05:26] <Phae>
nono ew.
- [22:05:50] <drewinthehead>
unfortunately that's what has to be done to stop things like flash coming to the top
- [22:05:55] <drewinthehead>
it's icky and horrid
- [22:06:43] <Phae>
yes
- [22:06:45] <DanC>
yes, last call on the tests. ah.. still an open issue.
- [22:06:58] <briansuda>
atleast one issue
- [22:07:03] <DanC>
and the open issue is in the anybody/somebody/nobody pile?
- [22:07:25] <briansuda>
last i remember tantek was in-different on which way it went
- [22:07:59] <briansuda>
my debate was when including from an ID, can you put properties in the class on the same ELEMENT as the id, or on children, eg...
- [22:08:03] * DanC isn't sure he has the energy to do the last 80% of the work here.
- [22:08:47] <DanC>
yes, I recall the debate/issue.
- [22:08:50] <briansuda>
being as well, that sometimes new ideas pop-up such as, a.include i'm not sure the tests can ever be fixed
- [22:09:00] <briansuda>
not fixed, closed
- [22:09:06] <briansuda>
frozen
- [22:09:29] <briansuda>
this is where profile URIs would tell you which "version" of hCard you are using...
- [22:09:34] <DanC>
er... a.include... I've seen that fly by a few times... what's a good place to read about it?
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- [22:10:03] <briansuda>
mailing list, google "site:microformats.org/discuss/ a.include"
- [22:10:09] <DanC>
er... I kinda thought the premise of microformats is that it's not really worth distinguishing versions; i.e "let's all just agree"
- [22:10:26] <tantek>
DanC, yes, but there are those that want details ;)
- [22:11:40] <DanC>
as I say, I would like to put a bow on the work that we did on hCard testing. But I know that finishing things is 80% of the work, and I'm not sure I'm sufficiently committed. I guess I'm sorta happy for the issue to take as long as it takes, like everybody else seems to be.
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I need to run
- [22:15:28] <kingryan>
re: the tests: DanC I'm not sure we'll ever close the tests
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- [22:15:43] <kingryan>
there's always more edge cases to find and test
- [22:17:39] <kingryan>
I need to leave, email me if there's any issues I can help with
- [22:17:42] <kingryan>
later.
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