IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-09-13

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  30. [04:51:24] <csarven> somehow i don't see a poem being marked under `pre` proper.. any other ideas then using `p` and `br` perhaps?
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  32. [05:01:40] <Frederic> hello
  33. [05:12:18] <tantek> csarven, it's not even clear that a <p> tag is appropriate
  34. [05:12:26] <tantek> is a poem really a paragraph?
  35. [05:17:45] <yakk> or how would you divide a poem into paragraphs? are stanzas paragraphs?
  36. [05:18:32] <mfbot> [[what-are-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-are-microformats&diff=0&oldid=8495 * David Sanford * (+295) Add Yours Here -
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  38. [05:36:40] <csarven> a poem could be a paragraph since a stanza (like a paragraph) contains a stream of ideas/statements
  39. [05:38:29] <csarven> i went with `pre` though :)
  40. [05:38:56] <csarven> breaks within a paragarph for a stanza didn't seem appropriate
  41. [05:39:51] <csarven> a poem (or a stanza) could have a visual formatting which might be different then a sequential string of characters from left to right
  42. [05:40:23] <csarven> which seems appropriate for `pre` to handle
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  59. [08:53:33] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=8496 * OriflameMaryKay * (+27952)
  60. [08:53:55] <mfbot> [[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=8497 * Tantek * (-27952) Reverted edit of OriflameMaryKay, changed back to last version by Andrew
  61. [08:54:05] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:OriflameMaryKay" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  62. [08:54:15] <tantek> nice try MaryKay
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  77. [11:29:41] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-13-future-of-web-apps-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-13-future-of-web-apps-microformats&diff=0&oldid=8498 * Tantek * (+4) fixed Flickr tag to be in sync with official tag for even
  78. [11:32:02] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-13-future-of-web-apps-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-13-future-of-web-apps-microformats&diff=0&oldid=8499 * Tantek * (+64)
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  83. [12:03:27] <McNulty> afternoon
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  92. [12:27:13] <drewinthehead> afternoon McNulty
  93. [12:30:20] <McNulty> drew - you recommended a hosting company to me, I think, and I've forgotten the name?
  94. [12:31:12] <drewinthehead> http://memset.com
  95. [12:31:22] <McNulty> that's the one, cheers ;-)
  96. [12:32:17] <drewinthehead> i still stand by the recommendation. everyone seems to recommend the hosting company that they're with, but in this instance i've been through loads and can honestly say these guys are good.
  97. [12:32:51] <drewinthehead> and with that, i'm popping out to lunch. biab.
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  110. [13:44:06] <McNulty> drew - you get SSH access with memset?
  111. [13:44:24] <McNulty> they're making a big deal about control panels and so on, it's making me nervous
  112. [13:44:31] <drewinthehead> what sort of service?
  113. [13:44:36] <drewinthehead> miniserver?
  114. [13:44:59] <McNulty> yes
  115. [13:45:04] <McNulty> the cheapo one
  116. [13:45:19] <drewinthehead> yeah, you have full root access
  117. [13:45:31] <McNulty> it's what, solaris?
  118. [13:45:36] <drewinthehead> any control panels etc are an added convenience on top
  119. [13:45:49] <drewinthehead> it's either Fedora or Debian i think ... you can chose
  120. [13:45:52] <drewinthehead> choose
  121. [13:46:07] <McNulty> ah! Right, I'll put my order through then ;-)
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  123. [14:20:48] <trovster> uk techcrunch adding events :)
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  129. [14:36:30] <drewinthehead> i'd never seen uk techcrunch before, trovster
  130. [14:36:44] <drewinthehead> they've linked me from the recent mF entry
  131. [14:38:02] <trovster> Indeed.
  132. [14:38:15] <trovster> http://www.multipack.co.uk/blog/techcrunch-loves-multipack-projects ;)
  133. [14:39:30] <drewinthehead> cool to see linkedin implementing hCard too
  134. [14:40:03] <drewinthehead> rachel featured World Cup KickOff in PWP this month, too
  135. [14:41:01] <drewinthehead> with a great big screenshot too ... i must take photos of the article.
  136. [14:42:49] <trovster> PWP?! Take a screenshot, he'll be pleased!
  137. [14:44:53] <drewinthehead> it's a 5 page article on mFs
  138. [14:44:59] <drewinthehead> i need to do photos of the pages
  139. [14:46:30] <drewinthehead> this one http://www.pwdmag.co.uk/
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  141. [14:47:26] <whiskey_M> 'lo
  142. [14:47:59] <drewinthehead> hi whiskey_M
  143. [14:48:21] <whiskey_M> how goes?
  144. [14:50:29] <drewinthehead> good good
  145. [14:51:02] <trovster> drewinthehead: I'd like to see a screenshot of that, especially to show him. He'll be pleased.
  146. [14:51:21] <drewinthehead> yeah, i'll take some photos tonight
  147. [14:53:54] <trovster> schweet.
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  151. [14:55:33] <Whiskey_MM> 'lo again - damned computer
  152. [14:56:54] <drewinthehead> you can see it sorta in this one, trovster http://flickr.com/photos/rachelandrew/238392088/
  153. [14:58:23] <trovster> :)
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  174. [15:35:09] <drewinthehead> grrr ... a random made-up class name convention is NOT a microformat. grrr.
  175. [15:35:16] <drewinthehead> don't mind me.
  176. [15:36:03] <trovster> hehe
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  179. [15:56:04] <drewinthehead> hi ben
  180. [15:56:19] <BenWard> Hi Drew
  181. [15:56:51] <drewinthehead> have you got something exciting for us to debate?
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  184. [16:09:12] <BenWard> Sadly not… I could commend the work on hAtom and hReview for making my life easier as I build a database design for blogs and reviews, but that wouldn't be much of a debate, more a statement.
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  187. [16:15:32] <sreynen> briansuda, i've been playing more with your geo to KML service and i wonder if pulling place names from hCard FNs would make sense
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  189. [16:18:42] <drewinthehead> looks like briansuda's connection is still playing up.
  190. [16:19:09] <sreynen> nah, he's just avoiding me :)
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  196. [16:34:35] <briansuda> i'm around now
  197. [16:35:51] <briansuda> sreynen, you had some KML questions
  198. [16:36:17] <briansuda> RE: pulling place names from hCard FNs would make sense
  199. [16:36:22] <sreynen> yeah
  200. [16:36:54] <briansuda> GEO is part of hCard, so in that case FN makes some sense... if it is an ORG then FN=ORG and you get the ORG name, it is it a person, then you get their FN
  201. [16:36:54] <sreynen> i'm hoping to talk about geo stuff at BarCampMilwaukee in a couple weeks. any chance that could be added before then?
  202. [16:37:06] <briansuda> what added?
  203. [16:37:13] <sreynen> place names
  204. [16:37:43] <sreynen> i'd try myself, but i'm not very familiar with XSLT
  205. [16:37:58] <briansuda> what exactly do you want?
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  207. [16:38:34] <briansuda> the XSLT should already be pulling FN from hCards, if it isn't then send me an example link
  208. [16:38:55] <sreynen> when i feed your service a URL with hCards including FNs, I'd like the resulting KML to include those FNs in the <name> of each <Placemark>
  209. [16:39:15] <briansuda> it should be doing that.
  210. [16:39:22] <briansuda> is it not? do you have a link?
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  212. [16:40:37] <sreynen> maybe i'm doing something wrong. here's a link i don't see any names in the KML: http://microformat.makedatamakesense.com/auto_geo/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iowamilitaryveteransband.com%2Fcontact%2F
  213. [16:42:40] <briansuda> ok, i'll have a look into this
  214. [16:42:46] <sreynen> thanks
  215. [16:43:48] <briansuda> i found the problem, now i just need to figure out how to fix it :)
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  222. [16:53:09] <tantek> good morning
  223. [16:53:27] * tantek notes that he will be giving a talk on microformats today at 2pm PDT.
  224. [16:53:37] <tantek> there may be a bunch of new people joining the channel around then or soon after, please welcome them.
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  233. [17:10:08] <Frederic> tantek: I will also give a talk on mf saturday, in Paris.
  234. [17:10:16] <Frederic> So maybe some other people will come
  235. [17:10:50] <tantek> Frederic, excellent
  236. [17:11:11] <tantek> be sure to add it to the events page on the wiki and create a separate page for your talk if you can
  237. [17:11:19] <Frederic> OK, I
  238. [17:11:22] <tantek> so we can add it to the microformat events roll
  239. [17:11:22] <Frederic> 'll do
  240. [17:11:31] <tantek> see http://microformats.org/wiki/events for details
  241. [17:11:32] <Frederic> We have a mini barcamp in paris saturday
  242. [17:11:47] <tantek> I saw that on the BarCamp event feed :)
  243. [17:12:16] <Frederic> Someone already added my speech on the wiki
  244. [17:14:17] <Frederic> I need to prepair a s5 pres before that, I always feel better with some material.
  245. [17:19:30] <Frederic> I still don't know if I'll talk about microformats in job search, in search engines (tags) or in event announcement and calendar
  246. [17:24:04] <kingryan> wow, it looks like the "Social Democratic Party of Germany" now is publishing microformats
  247. [17:27:28] <kingryan> supposedly many of the pages here have hcalendar: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asozi.info+kalender
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  249. [17:32:12] <bewest> woot
  250. [17:32:27] * bewest won a hyperscope contest and gets to meet Doug Engelbert
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  252. [17:41:00] <kingryan> awesome bewest
  253. [17:41:28] <bewest> :-)
  254. [17:42:57] <bewest> kingryan: any objections to making the generators share more code?
  255. [17:43:04] <kingryan> no
  256. [17:43:18] <kingryan> send a patch :D
  257. [17:43:34] <bewest> :-)
  258. [17:43:40] <kingryan> esp. because I'm starting to get translations from people
  259. [17:43:53] <kingryan> I just got a russian translation of the xfn creator from one of the dimitris
  260. [17:44:59] <bewest> ultimately I'd kind of like to see a comprehensive MF javascript library... where something like new MF.creator('hCard', $('hcard_creator')); would place an hcard generator in #hcard_creator
  261. [17:45:08] <kingryan> sure, sounds good to me
  262. [17:45:12] <bewest> that way other people can integrate these things into their apps
  263. [17:45:32] <kingryan> the first step would be to factor the existing javascript out into separate files (separate from the html)
  264. [17:45:37] <bewest> right
  265. [17:45:41] <kingryan> then try to factor out similar/common code from them
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  270. [17:52:04] <kingryan> any russian speakers/readers in the channel?
  271. [17:52:05] <kingryan> http://microformats.org/code/xfn/creator-ru.html
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  275. [18:05:14] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-30-barcampmilwaukee]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-09-30-barcampmilwaukee * ScottReynen * (+760)
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  277. [18:06:40] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=8500 * ScottReynen * (+110) Upcoming - added BarCampMilwaukee
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  297. [19:17:17] <drewinthehead> hey
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  303. [19:26:14] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8501 * Ronnos * (+247) Examples in the wild -
  304. [19:26:41] <tantek> greetings from the Palace of Fine Arts
  305. [19:26:55] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8502 * Ronnos * (+1) Examples in the wild -
  306. [19:27:01] <tantek> wifi is a bit flakey here - sorry about the joins/disconnects in advance
  307. [19:27:20] <drewinthehead> sounds rather grand, tantek!
  308. [19:27:30] <drewinthehead> what's happening at the Palace today? ;)
  309. [19:27:41] <tantek> "The Future of Web Apps"
  310. [19:27:55] <tantek> backstage photos coming soon ;)
  311. [19:28:06] <drewinthehead> awesome. are you presenting?
  312. [19:28:25] <tantek> you mean you're not subscribed to the microformats.org events feed?
  313. [19:28:35] * drewinthehead looks guilty
  314. [19:28:47] <drewinthehead> i am ... but i'm so behind
  315. [19:29:09] <drewinthehead> the 2.5 hour commute each way is killing me
  316. [19:29:28] <kingryan> ouch, 5 hours a day of transit?
  317. [19:29:30] <kingryan> by train?
  318. [19:29:33] <drewinthehead> on a bus
  319. [19:29:49] <kingryan> oh
  320. [19:30:05] <drewinthehead> with not quite enough space to get my laptop open
  321. [19:30:12] <kingryan> I thought my 45 minutes by bus (within the city) was bad
  322. [19:30:20] <tantek> i bet you're one of those back-of-the-bus trouble kids Drew
  323. [19:30:40] <drewinthehead> now the back-of-the-bus i should try ... there might be more space
  324. [19:30:49] <tantek> exactly
  325. [19:31:03] <drewinthehead> if i could get enough room to get some code down, i'd be unstoppable
  326. [19:31:19] <drewinthehead> or even read some damn feeds ;)
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  328. [19:33:41] <mfbot> [[User:Ronnos]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Ronnos * Ronnos * (+166)
  329. [19:34:04] <tantek> wow network here is slow
  330. [19:38:20] <bewest> tantek: ah my coworker is at the same convention
  331. [19:38:28] * tantek attempts uploading to Flickr...
  332. [19:38:28] <bewest> tantek: maybe she'll go to your presentation
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  334. [19:38:55] <tantek> bewest - there is only one track, so good chance
  335. [19:39:30] <tantek> but the key question is - where is the backchannel?
  336. [19:39:37] <tantek> no one else in #fowa or #webapps currently
  337. [19:40:34] <drewinthehead> there's someone in #futureofwebapps ... apart from me
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  339. [19:47:04] <tantek> ok, i'm there now
  340. [19:58:02] <mfbot> [[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=8503 * 1158177382 * (+334)
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  368. [23:06:11] <tantek> greetings
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