IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-11-07
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- [00:01:43] <BenWard>
Well, having learned my lesson that I shouldn't suggest new microformats that make me hungry in passing, I shall retire. Good night.
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- [00:38:12] <jibot>
cbarrett is Colin Barrett and an Adium Developer and has blue hair
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kingryan is ryan king
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- [01:14:59] <mfbot>
[[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=10080 * ChristopheDucamp * (+760)
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- [01:18:40] <mfbot>
[[stable-pages-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=stable-pages-fr&diff=0&oldid=10081 * ChristopheDucamp * (+52) pages à synchroniser en priorité
- [01:19:16] <mfbot>
[[stable-pages-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=stable-pages-fr&diff=0&oldid=10082 * ChristopheDucamp * (+6)
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[[xoxo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-fr&diff=0&oldid=10083 * ChristopheDucamp * (-7)
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- [01:31:54] <mfbot>
[[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=10084 * ChristopheDucamp * (-4) Exemples -
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- [01:55:50] <mfbot>
[[hreview-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=10085 * ChristopheDucamp * (-2) [fr:A relire dans le cadre du processus de révision de page stable]
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- [01:57:50] <_token>
tantek should be shown a list of languages available on oficial page of wiki. If a french ou brazilian user join do "Main_Page" he just have to click in link to read in your language
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- [02:06:57] <mfbot>
[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=10086 * Token * (+79) Translation
- [02:07:23] <mfbot>
[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=10087 * Token * (+45) Translation -
- [02:08:54] <mfbot>
[[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=10088 * ChristopheDucamp * (+244) Critique produit -
- [02:13:30] <keri-henare>
_token: i think it is like that, lower down on the Main_Page
- [02:13:44] <keri-henare>
near the bottom
- [02:14:46] <_token>
few persons see it
- [02:14:55] <_token>
but, all right.
- [02:15:38] <tantek>
perhaps we should consider moving it to the top
- [02:18:35] <keri-henare>
or at least a small simple version at the top
- [02:18:54] <_token>
only main_page has "other languages" available, if somebody enter in stable_page for example, he will not see.
- [02:19:15] <keri-henare>
ah you mean on every page?
- [02:21:12] <tantek>
_token - check out how wikipedia handles that
- [02:22:01] <_token>
"Languages option" in left side
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- [02:22:55] <mfbot>
[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=10089 * ChristopheDucamp * (+92) zzzzz....
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- [02:23:22] <_token>
but in own wiki, it isn't allow
- [02:23:31] <mfbot>
[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=10090 * ChristopheDucamp * (-24)
- [02:24:02] <mfbot>
[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=10091 * ChristopheDucamp * (-50) Translation -
- [02:25:18] <mfbot>
[[page-summary-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=page-summary-formats&diff=0&oldid=10092 * MykMelez * (+516) Microsummary -
- [02:26:04] <mfbot>
[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=10093 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Translation - theuht could perhaps help ?
- [02:40:41] <mfbot>
[[process-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=10094 * ChristopheDucamp * (+40) Itération -
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- [02:52:13] <tantek>
pnhChris, I'm going to start digging through the reams of email about class="url" to see if I can sift out real questions and answers. I can't believe something so simple has elicited such a massive volume of confusion.
- [02:52:18] <tantek>
bbiab
- [02:54:20] <keri-henare>
that looks like only 1 half of a conversation?
- [03:08:51] <wildfire>
but, perhaps, the better half?
- [03:09:59] <keri-henare>
but, i think that the meaning of life was explained in the other half?
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- [04:14:18] <jibot>
sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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- [04:21:43] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
- [04:22:05] <keri-henare>
tantek's back, now we'll know what the other half of that conversation was
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- [04:24:05] <tantek>
hello keri
- [04:24:20] <keri-henare>
hey
- [04:24:41] <keri-henare>
"pnhChris, I'm going to start digging through the reams of email about class="url" to see if I can sift out real questions and answers. I can't believe something so simple has elicited such a massive volume of confusion." was curious about that
- [04:26:40] <tantek>
keri - are you on the mailing list?
- [04:28:20] <keri-henare>
ah no i'm not
- [04:28:28] <keri-henare>
never really done mailing lists
- [04:28:32] <tantek>
that's the context of the discussion
- [04:29:20] <keri-henare>
ah conversation across mediums, always a good way to miss most of the discussion :D
- [04:30:21] <tantek>
you can always check the archives
- [04:30:37] <keri-henare>
yeah :)
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- [04:44:30] <pnhChris>
tantek: you've probably come across it by now, but it seemed to me more a discussion along the lines of "is class='url'" redundant...
- [04:44:39] <pnhChris>
(a little behind my reading today)
- [04:45:42] <tantek>
pnhChris, yes, note that hcard-brainstorming answered that question
- [04:45:53] <tantek>
see rejected suggestions at the bottom of the page
- [05:01:09] <pnhChris>
and its the 2nd item in the faq
- [05:02:10] <pnhChris>
(though I'm running rewording / additions in my head)
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- [05:19:06] <mfbot>
[[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=10095 * ChrisCasciano * (+326) Why is url property necessary -
- [05:20:18] <pnhChris>
slashdot needs to work on its tag markup
- [05:20:34] <pnhChris>
<span class="tagname"><a href="javascript:tagsOpenAndEnter('06:11:06:2320235','haha','')">haha</a></span>
- [05:21:53] <_token>
and if the client had disabled javascript?
- [05:22:37] <pnhChris>
well, i'm not really sure what the point of their tags are either
- [05:22:59] <pnhChris>
(clicking them just opens the inline add more tags dialog)
- [05:24:57] <pnhChris>
(you have to go to a different part of the site to see the articles by tag... though it is a "beta" feature)
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Cloud_ is Cloud
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- [05:42:20] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [06:09:38] <Frederic>
morning
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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Cloud is http://www.johnbreslin.com/
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [08:26:11] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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- [09:47:40] <kapowaz>
good morning
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- [09:52:11] <jibot>
drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
- [09:52:19] <drewinthehead>
mornin'
- [09:52:39] <kapowaz>
allo
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
- [10:07:11] <kapowaz>
this thing I was messing with yesterday is really bugging me
- [10:07:20] <kapowaz>
the solution I came up with only works in Firefox 2
- [10:07:27] <kapowaz>
well, possibly 1.5 as well
- [10:07:32] <McNulty>
What thing's that
- [10:07:34] <kapowaz>
but not IE or Safari
- [10:07:40] <kapowaz>
the Array object's filter method
- [10:07:45] <kapowaz>
it isn't implemented in IE7
- [10:07:50] <kapowaz>
nor, it seems, Safari
- [10:07:55] <kapowaz>
and definitely not in Firefox 1.0x
- [10:08:22] <kapowaz>
it solved a thorny issue I was having, but since I can't use it I've got to try and fix it some other way
- [10:09:06] <drewinthehead>
what thing?
- [10:09:19] <kapowaz>
you know the getElementsByTagName method?
- [10:09:39] <kapowaz>
it has no specificity, so you can't tell it "pull out all child nodes of a given type, but only immediate children of this node"
- [10:09:49] <kapowaz>
it will pull out all child nodes, to the nth degree
- [10:10:13] <kapowaz>
what I want is to retrieve a nodelist of childnodes to a given element, but only immediate children.
- [10:10:46] <kapowaz>
I suspect that the easier way of doing it would be to abandon that method entirely and just iterate through doing some more complicated matching
- [10:12:04] <trovster>
$('#id > tagName'); ;)
- [10:12:40] <kapowaz>
goddammit.
- [10:12:49] <kapowaz>
see, I *knew* I couldn't be the first person who needed to do this.
- [10:12:53] <kapowaz>
cheers, trovster
- [10:13:13] <trovster>
Should work, right?
- [10:13:23] <kapowaz>
I'll just try. That's prototype, presumably?
- [10:13:39] <trovster>
Erm, jQuery is the only one I've used, but I assume so.
- [10:15:37] <kapowaz>
ah. doesn't seem to be in prototype.
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
- [10:16:45] <kapowaz>
I'm not sure as jQuery and Prototype can co-exist.
- [10:17:25] <drewinthehead>
you can give it specificity through chaining though, right?
- [10:17:49] <drewinthehead>
document.getElementById('my-thing').getElementsByTagName('a');
- [10:18:13] <kapowaz>
that's what I'm doing anyway
- [10:18:30] <kapowaz>
but I'd want a third level somehow
- [10:18:43] <trovster>
But that gets #my-thing a {} not #my-think > a {}
- [10:18:47] <McNulty>
drewinthehead - it's more that he wants direct children of my-thing rather than all the descendants (as I understand it)
- [10:18:59] <kapowaz>
yeah
- [10:19:00] <McNulty>
yeah trovster said it better
- [10:19:18] <McNulty>
kapowaz - I'm sure there's a way of running Xpaths on the DOM
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- [10:20:21] <cbarrett>
Xar!
- [10:20:28] <kapowaz>
no no, the other one.
- [10:20:35] <McNulty>
XHTML?
- [10:20:42] <kapowaz>
close, but no cigar
- [10:20:46] <McNulty>
XFN?
- [10:20:50] <McNulty>
The X-Men?
- [10:20:51] <kapowaz>
that's the.... wait
- [10:21:09] <kapowaz>
I'm worried I'm going to have a migraine today.
- [10:21:25] <kapowaz>
I've got the same weird niggling tension in my forehead that I had last time this happened
- [10:23:01] <McNulty>
Xpath is a way of expressing complex paths to nodes in an XML document
- [10:23:11] <McNulty>
typically you'll run an Xpath expression and get a set of nodes back
- [10:24:16] <kapowaz>
and this can be done with javascript?
- [10:24:22] <McNulty>
unknown
- [10:24:56] <cbarrett>
XOXO?
- [10:24:58] <cbarrett>
xFolk?
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- [10:26:15] <trovster>
http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2004/09/xpath-js is that link down?
- [10:27:33] <trovster>
The link on that page, I mean
- [10:31:54] <McNulty>
trovster - click it and see ;-)
- [10:32:10] <McNulty>
times out for me, yeah
- [10:32:11] <trovster>
I have, I get a blank page.
- [10:33:03] <McNulty>
I get a friendly message from Firefox telling me it's fuxx0red
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- [10:42:07] <keri-henare>
... xylophone :)
- [10:50:27] <kapowaz>
~ The server at mcc.id.au is taking too long to respond. ~
- [10:51:47] <kapowaz>
malcolm xylophone
- [10:51:56] <kapowaz>
that was his surname, you know
- [10:52:03] <keri-henare>
lol
- [10:58:40] <trovster>
Is the guy who works on Tails here?
- [10:59:33] <beowulf_>
the taxidermist?
- [10:59:51] <beowulf_>
sorry, i'll get my coat
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [11:28:07] <McNulty>
trovster - mcknut has been recently doing Tails stuff, but he's not the original author
- [11:38:53] <wildfire>
is there a good way to encode 'region' addresses using hCard?
- [11:39:09] <wildfire>
i.e. for this region (Europe) use this email address, for other regions, use this other one
- [11:39:26] <McNulty>
wildfire - not really, the email TYPE field is very limited
- [11:39:39] <McNulty>
Separate cards could be an idea?
- [11:40:06] <wildfire>
http://www.awayphone.com/contact/ has an initial cut on our hCard (I realise it has an ugly table)
- [11:40:41] <McNulty>
that does look a little like two hCards...
- [11:40:51] <McNulty>
beacuse I presume the address is different too?
- [11:41:06] <McNulty>
oh, probably not
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
- [11:41:30] <McNulty>
wildfire - I'd make the second one a separate hCard and then include in the shared details.
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- [12:04:38] <jibot>
Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
- [12:12:20] <wildfire>
McNulty, sorry; so a seperate hCard just for 'North America', which those details on it?
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- [12:12:24] <jibot>
drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
- [12:12:45] <Frederic>
Do you people have examples of social networks using microformats ?
- [12:13:11] <Frederic>
I need some examples for my Using mycroformats to increase data effectiveness on social networks talk next saturday
- [12:14:25] <wildfire>
Frederic, linkedin uses hCard for its 'contacts'
- [12:14:33] <Frederic>
wow, cool
- [12:14:39] <Frederic>
I think I'm on linkedin
- [12:15:08] <Frederic>
btw, if there are people in Paris next saturday, there's a barcamp at Google's
- [12:16:09] <McNulty>
wildfire - yeah, basically
- [12:16:20] <McNulty>
but you could copy the address using the include pattern
- [12:18:01] <wildfire>
McNulty, thanks - I wasn't aware of that pattern, looking it up now
- [12:18:30] <Phae>
Frederic; The implementations page has a fiarly good catalogue of "big" people that use microformats. You'll probably find more examples of what you're looking for there. http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations
- [12:18:35] <Phae>
fairly*
- [12:18:36] <McNulty>
microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern
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- [12:21:34] <Frederic>
Phae: yeah, ddidn't think about that page
- [12:21:39] * Frederic hates wikis
- [12:21:56] <Phae>
S'cool. That's why I thought I'd mention it. Saves you looking for it!
- [12:22:29] * keri-henare loves kiwis
- [12:22:44] <McNulty>
keri-henare - the fruits, the birds, or the people?
- [12:23:00] <keri-henare>
all of the above
- [12:24:13] <keri-henare>
i may even be the only kiwi microformats fanboy
- [12:24:41] <Phae>
nah! I know a kiwi who well.. he tolerates my talking about microformats and is putting them into a project of his
- [12:24:58] <Phae>
I guess he's not a "fanboy".
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- [12:34:47] <mfbot>
[[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=10096 * ChristopheDucamp * (+430)
- [12:41:04] <wildfire>
Frederic, another site is IBM Staff directory - the output information is in hCard
- [12:41:50] <Frederic>
wildfire: sounnds nice, but I'm more looking for sites like orkut, linkedin, openbc, viaduc...
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
- [13:03:07] <keri-henare>
Phae: Who's this?
- [13:03:21] <Phae>
What what?
- [13:04:17] <keri-henare>
"nah! I know a kiwi who well.. he tolerates my talking about microformats and is putting them into a project of his"
- [13:04:29] <Phae>
Oh. Rob Mckinnon?#
- [13:04:35] <Phae>
Minus the #
- [13:05:01] <keri-henare>
No #, but the question marks are popular in names today
- [13:05:24] <Phae>
It was a question mark to query if you knew him. He's in the UK these days.
- [13:06:05] <keri-henare>
that's where we all go for a while
- [13:06:11] <Phae>
heh
- [13:06:17] <keri-henare>
i'm going there to live for a while this friday in fact
- [13:06:28] <Phae>
For work or holiday?
- [13:06:33] <Phae>
oh
- [13:06:39] <Phae>
I skipped the "to live"
- [13:06:46] <Phae>
For how long, then?
- [13:07:27] <keri-henare>
until I can drag my girlfriend home with me :D she finishes her Masters in May so around then
- [13:07:47] <keri-henare>
I don't know this Rob Mckinnon, but I like his style
- [13:07:49] <Phae>
ah
- [13:08:28] <keri-henare>
so i fly into manchester sat morning
- [13:08:49] <Phae>
Where abouts in the UK will you be living?
- [13:08:59] <keri-henare>
Preston, Lancashire
- [13:09:07] <Phae>
I see
- [13:09:31] <keri-henare>
yeah, so basically nowhere. especially in terms of IT
- [13:10:09] <Phae>
I can't say Preston strikes me as a hub of activity
- [13:10:15] <Phae>
but then, I live just outside london these days
- [13:10:56] <keri-henare>
aren't the only people who don't live just outside london the people who live just inside london
- [13:11:15] <Phae>
uhm, no?
- [13:11:21] <keri-henare>
and the rest of the UK looks like 28 days later after the infected die offf
- [13:11:23] <keri-henare>
:D
- [13:11:31] <Phae>
right now, I'm visiting my parents, which is 6 hours fromn london. they're definitely not "just outside"
- [13:11:38] <Phae>
heh
- [13:11:39] <Phae>
yeah
- [13:11:41] <Phae>
that's about right
- [13:12:16] <keri-henare>
nah I worked at a camp in the USA this summer so now I have friends all over the UK, except northern ireland
- [13:12:22] <Phae>
you should make sure to drop in on london :) plenty of events go on there you'd probably like, as a microformat fanboy
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- [13:12:27] <jibot>
remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
- [13:12:51] <keri-henare>
@media is on the list if I can save a few pound :D
- [13:13:08] <Phae>
I meant smaller events than that, but yeah, that's one
- [13:13:16] <Phae>
get on upcoming.org, if you're not already
- [13:13:45] <keri-henare>
yeah i'll have to look into it. have to find a job first, then i can work out when i'm free
- [13:13:56] <Phae>
ah :)
- [13:14:01] <Phae>
well, good luck with that!
- [13:15:15] <McNulty>
We're hiring, but we're in London
- [13:15:38] <trovster>
come to Birmingham ;)
- [13:16:00] <McNulty>
Yeah Birmingham's ace.
- [13:16:39] <McNulty>
The glory of the rotunda... the melted pink fibre glass sculptures, the rickety ferris wheel
- [13:17:32] <trovster>
heh
- [13:17:53] <McNulty>
http://www.birminghamitsnotshit.co.uk/
- [13:18:31] <trovster>
heh, birmingham is a bit shit, though
- [13:22:02] <McNulty>
It's better than Coventry at least
- [13:22:53] <trovster>
Hell yes...
- [13:22:54] <keri-henare>
lol
- [13:22:58] <trovster>
Are you from there, then?
- [13:23:05] <McNulty>
I'm from Stourbridge
- [13:23:10] <trovster>
there* -> the area
- [13:23:11] <keri-henare>
I have to stay in Preston with my girlfriend
- [13:23:11] <trovster>
Oh ok
- [13:23:34] <kapowaz>
Birmingham is *not* better than Coventry!
- [13:23:36] <kapowaz>
how dare you!
- [13:23:43] <kapowaz>
how, how dare you?
- [13:23:48] <trovster>
It clearly is.
- [13:23:56] <trovster>
Coventry is utter-shite
- [13:24:05] <McNulty>
Oh come on, there's a reason 'sending someone to Coventry' involves deathly boring silence
- [13:24:21] <McNulty>
My God this is amazing http://www.birminghamitsnotshit.co.uk/
- [13:24:37] <kapowaz>
the origin of the term was because of the state of the city after it was bombed to pieces in the second world war
- [13:24:42] <McNulty>
er http://www.jonbounds.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jon/brum/kojak/
- [13:24:50] <kapowaz>
Coventry is far nicer than Brum
- [13:24:57] <trovster>
Lies
- [13:25:02] <kapowaz>
truth.
- [13:25:10] <trovster>
Are you from Coventry?
- [13:25:14] <kapowaz>
maybe.
- [13:25:20] <trovster>
Sorry.
- [13:25:35] <McNulty>
You poor man
- [13:25:36] <trovster>
Which part? Highfields ;)
- [13:25:41] <Phae>
He's from Coventry probably in the same way he lives in Richmond.
- [13:25:45] <kapowaz>
it's "Hillfields"
- [13:25:46] * Phae smiles.
- [13:25:51] * kapowaz narrows eyes
- [13:25:58] <kapowaz>
I grew up in Earlsdon
- [13:26:00] <McNulty>
Do you live in Hounslow?
- [13:26:05] <kapowaz>
no.
- [13:26:06] <kapowaz>
no no no.
- [13:26:08] <trovster>
Heh, I get highfield, hillfields confused, coz it's where I live now
- [13:26:23] <kapowaz>
Hillfields is an utter dump, granted.
- [13:26:29] <trovster>
Earlsdon is probably the best part...
- [13:26:30] <kapowaz>
and Coventry is not without its share of cesspits
- [13:26:46] <kapowaz>
it's a nicer area, yeah
- [13:27:15] <trovster>
I'm from, er, Kenilworth ;)
- [13:27:23] <kapowaz>
it's on the south-west of the city, in good reach of the Memorial Park and nice cycle routes out towards Kenilworth
- [13:27:27] <keri-henare>
allow me to amp up this conversation with a simple "New Zealand > United Kingdom" that is all :D
- [13:27:36] <kapowaz>
Kenilworth is quite nice. Very quaint.
- [13:27:43] <Phae>
This is so off-topic.
- [13:27:51] <keri-henare>
no
- [13:27:53] <kapowaz>
was there anybody talking *on*-topic?
- [13:28:05] <trovster>
kapowaz: pm?
- [13:28:10] <keri-henare>
we're talking about hCard adr values
- [13:28:18] <kapowaz>
hmm?
- [13:28:21] <Phae>
I feel bad filling a logged channel with off-topic stuff. Occassionally people try to find useful info amongst the witter.
- [13:28:24] <kapowaz>
I didn't receive one.
- [13:28:51] <kapowaz>
s'true. but there's always find...
- [13:29:02] <keri-henare>
Phae: in that case I really made their search hard by mentioning 'hCard adr'
- [13:29:12] <McNulty>
XFN
- [13:29:12] <Phae>
Quite.
- [13:29:19] <keri-henare>
lolz
- [13:30:25] <keri-henare>
anyone seen Kevin Lawver's microformats presentation?
- [13:31:30] <kapowaz>
xylophone.
- [13:36:15] <kapowaz>
see, now we're not talking about how ace Coventry is, nobody's even talking at all!
- [13:36:20] <kapowaz>
for shame.
- [13:37:58] <keri-henare>
i just realised that i've been confusing kapowaz with powazek
- [13:39:27] <trovster>
It's like your mother said. If you've got nothing good to say (about Coventry) don't say anything at all...
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- [13:39:51] <trovster>
Quick, catch him
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- [13:39:59] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [13:40:21] <kapowaz>
heh
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- [13:40:43] <kapowaz>
I have noticed with interest the similarities between my chosen pseudonym and Derek Powazek's surname
- [13:41:09] <kapowaz>
one letter away from a perfect anagram
- [13:41:16] <keri-henare>
:)
- [13:41:30] <kapowaz>
it's pure coincidence too. 'kapowaz' is (apparently) a Polish word.
- [13:42:03] <McNulty>
from where does your usage derive?
- [13:44:41] <kapowaz>
an old schoolfriend invented a character called 'Dr Kapowaz' for rhymes and stuff
- [13:45:08] <kapowaz>
so when I needed an online nickname I chose that
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- [14:05:09] <keri-henare>
tantek: When is Brian Suda usually in here?
- [14:05:37] <Phae>
Brian is a couple hours behind GMT I think.
- [14:06:14] <Phae>
I see him in the evenings (my evenings).
- [14:06:25] <keri-henare>
ah ok
- [14:06:29] <kapowaz>
he's usually here during the day too...
- [14:06:32] <keri-henare>
maybe after i wake up then
- [14:06:34] <Phae>
Sometimes, yeah
- [14:06:50] <kapowaz>
IE7: whitespace bugs!
- [14:07:03] <keri-henare>
lol
- [14:07:10] <kapowaz>
a div wrapping an image will display a visible gap if the div is closed on its own line
- [14:07:20] <kapowaz>
well done Microsoft!
- [14:07:23] <kapowaz>
party like it's 1997!
- [14:07:29] <keri-henare>
where's the gap? underneath?
- [14:07:49] <kapowaz>
yes
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- [14:08:30] <keri-henare>
you mean <div>\n<img />\n</div> as opposed to <div><img /></div> correct?
- [14:08:49] <kapowaz>
yes
- [14:08:59] * kapowaz is just slapping together a testcase
- [14:09:47] <keri-henare>
why is it IE that always wants to render a newline in whitespace for no reason
- [14:10:09] <keri-henare>
wasn't there similiar issues in ie6?
- [14:10:26] <kapowaz>
there seems to be something else making it happen
- [14:10:33] <kapowaz>
because a simple testcase isn't triggering the bug
- [14:10:48] <drewinthehead>
http://www.google.com/search?q=ie%20gap%20below%20image
- [14:11:18] <drewinthehead>
there are also lots of places to get help debugging html and css.
- [14:11:27] <kapowaz>
oh you fool.
- [14:11:32] * kapowaz was testing the testcase in Firefox
- [14:11:35] * kapowaz blushes
- [14:12:10] <keri-henare>
hahahahahaha
- [14:12:49] <kapowaz>
alright, it's not at all microformats-related, so I'll investigate it quietly. still bloody annoying that it's there in IE7...
- [14:13:00] * keri-henare runs Acid2 in Opera. Oooh look IE7 passes Acid2
- [14:13:59] <keri-henare>
thank god for that age old rule, if it works in one browser, it works in 'em all :D
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- [14:14:54] <keri-henare>
i do that all the time with local and remote copies of code. keep editing the local version and not the remote and wondering why there's no change when I hit refresh
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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- [14:57:46] <kapowaz>
hmm, anyone seen this? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tamarin/
- [14:58:03] <McNulty>
just reading about it on /.
- [14:58:07] <kapowaz>
same
- [14:58:36] <kapowaz>
"Go open source go! This is great news for us Linux geeks. :)"
- [14:58:38] <kapowaz>
er...
- [14:58:51] * kapowaz wonders if there is a clue shortage
- [14:59:13] <McNulty>
It's good to see closer convergence between different ECMAScript engines
- [14:59:35] <kapowaz>
will it actually make any difference in terms of featureset though?
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- [14:59:44] <jibot>
danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
- [14:59:45] <kapowaz>
presumably it's more to do with implementational details
- [15:00:03] <McNulty>
Well, if they get it going supporting 4th edition it'll be good
- [15:00:22] <McNulty>
because it's pooling the talents of the browser engine folk and the flash folk
- [15:00:47] <kapowaz>
heresy!
- [15:01:14] <McNulty>
classes!
- [15:01:16] <kapowaz>
jesus, slashdot comments depress me
- [15:01:17] <McNulty>
cor
- [15:01:25] <kapowaz>
"I'm not a huge fan of Flash in general. It is too much like FrontPage..."
- [15:01:28] <McNulty>
Yeah I don't read them anymore
- [15:01:39] <kapowaz>
a.) dull, off-topic unsolicited personal opinion
- [15:01:41] <kapowaz>
b.) wtf?!
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- [15:03:13] <kapowaz>
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=205219&cid=16751209
- [15:03:19] <kapowaz>
what is that, a haiku?
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- [15:38:00] * drewinthehead needs a stand-alone drop-in javascript parser
- [15:39:28] <kapowaz>
parser as in an interpreter?
- [15:39:48] <drewinthehead>
it's utterly tedious doing this by hand every time ... find an element with class 'email' .. check if it's a link, check if the href is a mailto, check the title, check the node value ...argh
- [15:40:16] <drewinthehead>
a microformats parser, kapowaz :)
- [15:40:24] <drewinthehead>
for extracting values from the DOM
- [15:40:57] <drewinthehead>
without a dependancy on things like jquery
- [15:41:51] <kapowaz>
I see.
- [15:42:09] <kapowaz>
a standalone microformats parser written in javascript.
- [15:42:20] <kapowaz>
why can't it use things like jquery? licensing?
- [15:42:59] <davecardwell>
it's a lot to load to just do simple parsing
- [15:43:24] <davecardwell>
and is a single point-of-failure if the site hosting the jquery library is down
- [15:46:27] <drewinthehead>
yeah, it's impractical to ask people to depend on jquery
- [15:46:45] <drewinthehead>
what if you're already using one of the other libraries for everything else?
- [15:46:57] <drewinthehead>
worst case, you could get clashes
- [15:48:20] <trovster>
Yup, already got clashes with the Multipack site
- [15:48:55] <_psychic__>
kapowaz: what exactly is tamarin supposed to be? I can't tell if this is an effort to get more standardized scripting, or to advance the technology itself...
- [15:49:23] <drewinthehead>
i've just written like 30 lines of code to do the implied-n optimisation for extracting a name from an hcard. i shouldn't need to write that.
- [15:53:02] <McNulty>
_psychic__ - it's the ECMAscript engine from Flash, donated to Mozilla
- [15:53:23] <McNulty>
It has the potential to be a JIT compiled Javascript library for the Mozilla browsers
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which would speed up JS and introduce a lot of new features
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new feature that adhere to the ECMA standard... ?
- [15:57:38] <McNulty>
well Javascript, Actionscript and Microsoft's JScript all adhere roughly to ECMAscript v3
- [15:58:01] <_psychic__>
I think *roughly* is the problem.
- [15:58:01] <McNulty>
This has some v4 features and the plan is to make it support all the v4 stuff
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which is things like classes, public/private methods... other nice stuff
- [15:58:25] <McNulty>
They're all very similar, scripting-wise
- [15:58:49] <_psychic__>
thanks for the insight
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McNulty filled in for me whilst I was away :)
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so yes, basically one of the things about Mozilla's browsers that sucks is the JavaScript interpreter
- [16:06:40] <kapowaz>
it's very slow compared to other browsers
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'lo
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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I know this isn't very microformatty, but what image replacement techniques are being advocated for IE7-compliance nowadays?
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- [17:39:22] <trovster>
I'd use Phark.
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Is Siegried around here by any chance?
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I'm wondering if we can clear up any confusion regarding the "url" property of hCard (and hCalendar, and hReview etc.)
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Ragdoll is Justin McDowell (http://www.deadringerart.com). He works for the National Arbor Day Foundation as a multimedia designer.
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http://adactio.com/extras/stream/ < would adactio's stream be a candidate for hcalendar or would it only be future group events?
- [17:56:10] <abscond>
wait only just noticed he has hcalendered it
- [17:56:28] <abscond>
why would I doubt?
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heh
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He should use hAtom, too
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atom. heh.
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first use of export to gCal from Tails :) yey
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[[microforamts]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/microforamts * Tantek * (+26)
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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re
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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mcknut - did you say you'd updated the tails export lately?
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http://www.stikkit.com/ is up
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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