IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-11-08
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=10097 * Frumplingtons * (+204) Examples in the wild -
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veeliam is William Lawrence of Quiddities Dev out of Santa Cruz and he does something at http://zaxbypass.com and here and there
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[[disambiguation]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/disambiguation * Chris Messina * (+261)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[microformat]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformat&diff=0&oldid=10098 * Tantek * (+1402) disambiguate "microformat"
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[[disambiguation]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=disambiguation&diff=0&oldid=10099 * Tantek * (-236) redirect to microformat page
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[[microformat]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformat&diff=0&oldid=10100 * Tantek * (-1)
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Keri-Henare is Keri Henare, New Zealand web standards fan living in England [http://www.kerihenare.com/]
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- [05:05:29] <Keri-Henare>
Is it just me or does WHAT-WG Web Applications 1.0 have way too many elements
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
- [09:10:34] <McNulty>
What's the purpose of HTML having defined 'display' properties for elements?
- [09:10:49] <McNulty>
Surely that's 100% a display issue rather than a semantic one
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- [09:11:07] * McNulty grumbles about ADDRESS
- [09:11:27] <mcknut>
McNulty: morning
- [09:12:09] <mcknut>
http://www.johnmckerrell.com/files/tailsexport-0.3.1-jmck3.xpi
- [09:12:23] <McNulty>
aha!
- [09:12:27] <McNulty>
404!
- [09:12:35] <McNulty>
boo!
- [09:13:17] <McNulty>
ah, works now
- [09:13:20] <mcknut>
try again. I think that'll work, and is a quick build that I did that has better UTF8 support
- [09:13:23] <mcknut>
heh
- [09:13:24] <McNulty>
I'll have to wait until I'm home though :-/
- [09:13:35] <mcknut>
supposed to fix the line endings too, but didn't
- [09:13:56] <McNulty>
I should start bringing my laptop to work and give up the pretence that I'm working on my real projects
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hehe
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what do they make you use in work?
- [09:14:39] <McNulty>
Linux
- [09:14:48] <mcknut>
ah well, could be worse then
- [09:16:20] <McNulty>
Heh
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Thing is, the stuff we use I could be on any OS... I don't really know why it's Linux
- [09:16:51] <McNulty>
Firefox, Zend Studio, SSH client, Thunderbird, Gaim... that's all I use
- [09:17:16] <McNulty>
I'd much rather be on OSX to be honest
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- [09:26:32] <bergie>
hey, has anyone written a PHP script for spidering a site to find microformats?
- [09:27:05] <McNulty>
bergie - drewinthehead has written hKit, which parses URLs
- [09:27:31] <McNulty>
It doesn't then spider past that page, but you could probably add that on easily enough
- [09:27:57] <bergie>
yeah, hKit seems promising... have to upgrade my devel box to PHP5 to test it
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McNulty: because linux is "cheap" I guess?
- [09:28:35] <McNulty>
From what I've seen, hKit is AWESOME ;-)
- [09:28:57] <McNulty>
mcknut - Mmaybe. the boxes are all Dells and have OEM Windows licences on the side, so we've paid for that anyhow!
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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hey, McNulty
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that thing about Adobe and Mozilla from yesterday
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ECMAScript
- [10:10:26] <kapowaz>
check out this bullshit: http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/11/07/adobe_flash_firefox/
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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Cloud_ is Cloud
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10101 * AndyMabbett * (+113) ReminderFox (per e-mail)
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10102 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Browsing - fix link
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10103 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Browsing - make list item
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
- [12:26:37] <kapowaz>
my god
- [12:27:01] <kapowaz>
we have been given access to BT's branding website
- [12:27:09] <kapowaz>
its section on markup is hysterically poor
- [12:27:42] <kapowaz>
there's one page entitled 'Structured mark-up'
- [12:27:53] <McNulty>
I've spent the morning trying to explain why <p class="formlabel"><label>Name:</label></p> Isn't any good
- [12:27:56] <kapowaz>
it outlines the benefits of using semantic markup
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then on the *same page* it has this beauty:
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Avoid using depreciated HTML (sic)
- [12:28:22] <kapowaz>
Consider using a good content management system such as Obtree where these elements will be available to you via the drop down menu and will be linked to a stylesheet already.
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(visit www.obtree.co.uk and view the source there to see how this is likely to work with the previous suggestion)
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but the real gold nugget is this one:
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"If you are using a WSWIG editor such as Dreamweaver or Frontpage be sure to keep the version up to date which will avoid the use of depreciated HTML. You may find the HTML/XHTML tags library useful."
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depreciated?
- [12:29:43] <McNulty>
oh dear
- [12:29:52] <kapowaz>
indeed
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and 'WSWIG' ?!
- [12:30:09] <kapowaz>
do they actually have a sodding clue?
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- [12:31:01] <kapowaz>
it's a passworded site otherwise I'd link it up
- [12:31:19] <kapowaz>
but I'm very tempted to just mirror the whole lot and publish it online to reveal their embarrassing errors
- [12:32:25] <trovster>
It's not really THAT bad... hearts in the right place, the person who wrote it probably didn't understand the technicalities.
- [12:32:40] <McNulty>
you probably shouldn't reproduce what's probably under NDA...
- [12:32:43] <kapowaz>
well, the reason I think it *is* that bad is that this is not some common or garden company
- [12:32:45] <McNulty>
expecially on a logged channel
- [12:32:58] <kapowaz>
very true, although I personally have signed no NDA
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nor been asked to agree to any T&Cs
- [12:33:11] <McNulty>
you likely have a contract with your employer
- [12:33:14] <kapowaz>
but in respect for my marketing manager I shall not say any more :)
- [12:33:19] <trovster>
So? Dealing with big companies mean nothing. If they're tech based, then they're no better.
- [12:33:25] <McNulty>
And most employment contracts bind you to NDAs the company signs on your behalf
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- [12:33:56] <kapowaz>
I don't recall reading that. My contract was exceptionally terse.
- [12:34:07] <kapowaz>
but anyway even if it's not written, it is probably prudent not to do it
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- [12:39:55] <kapowaz>
it's funny... I can see places that these guidelines contradict their own usage
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they say here that flash shouldn't be used to 'jazz-up' a web page
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witness: http://www.btintelligentsolutions.com/21cn
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
- [13:21:14] <kapowaz>
http://www.eventwax.com/ is go
- [13:21:52] <drewinthehead>
eventwax looks fun .. i had a play with it a couple of weeks ago
- [13:22:34] <kapowaz>
heh, that's my RSS icon on the front page
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The non-www version didn't work, gave a 404. And the contact email didn't work either. Which was fun
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of what? eventwax?
- [13:29:59] <trovster>
yup
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it seems to work here
- [13:34:14] <trovster>
Yeh.
- [13:34:21] <trovster>
It does /now/. Didn't when I went to it.
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So I tried to email 'em, but that didn't work either
- [13:34:32] <kapowaz>
heh, early teething problems I guess
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=10104 * JustinThorp * (+73)
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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kingryan is ryan king
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=10105 * RyanKing * (-118) removing dunn's hcard, it's 404
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=10106 * RyanKing * (-124) removing tagg.no, no hcard found
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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hey, has anyone done a hKit profile for hresume yet?
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=10107 * AndyMabbett * (+159) restore and clarify
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=10108 * DCreemer * (+114) Examples in the wild -
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=10110 * DCreemer * (+38) Examples in the wild -
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[[hresume]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=10111 * DCreemer * (-29) Examples in the wild -
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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?def iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[currency-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-examples&diff=0&oldid=10112 * AndyMabbett * (+278) Historic prices - further examples
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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