IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-12-08

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  3. [00:17:47] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  4. [00:18:41] <mfbot> [[openid-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=openid-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11096 * Tantek * (+10)
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  29. [02:16:42] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  34. [02:47:52] <mfbot> [[music-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=music-examples&diff=0&oldid=11098 * BienDavid * (+49) added WikiMusicGuide
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  41. [03:11:16] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  44. [03:14:47] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  63. [05:29:49] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  67. [06:44:10] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  71. [06:46:20] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  75. [07:38:14] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  80. [07:53:03] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  88. [08:35:29] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  93. [08:56:48] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  95. [09:02:29] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  97. [09:19:47] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  102. [10:25:48] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  105. [10:55:46] <jibot> Cloud is http://www.johnbreslin.com/
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  107. [11:03:37] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  111. [11:17:52] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  115. [11:50:11] <mfbot> [[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=11099 * IwaiMasaharu * (-3) Q: ''Who controls microformats?'' - fix redundancy markup
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  118. [12:29:24] <trovster> julianstahnke: What's the last.fm IRC server/channel ?
  119. [12:30:19] <julianstahnke> irc.audioscrobbler.com channel #audioscrobbler
  120. [12:30:28] <julianstahnke> the public one, that is ;)
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  130. [12:57:04] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  137. [14:27:52] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=11100 * Jax * (+79)
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  139. [14:27:53] <jibot> Whafro is M. Jackson Wilkinson, a designer/developer for Grassroots Enterprise in Washington, DC
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  148. [15:15:31] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  151. [15:16:15] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  154. [15:40:27] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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  161. [16:16:56] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  171. [17:02:57] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  176. [17:28:01] <jibot> kensanata is blogging at http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/
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  179. [17:28:40] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  182. [17:35:34] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  183. [17:36:47] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11104 * Mike * (+508) added working straw schema outline to focus discussion
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  208. [19:03:51] <csarven> in the case of entry-title for hAtom, what would be the intention as far as `title` and `h1` is concerned?
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  210. [19:08:50] <Whafro> so, if xx-small, x-small...large, x-large, etc. represents size, what's an analogue that might represent importance or weight?
  211. [19:15:39] <Phae> for what? other than em/strong/headers etc.?
  212. [19:15:58] <Phae> what'dya mean, csarven?
  213. [19:16:59] <Whafro> for a series of class names that would indicate a level of emphasis/importance...
  214. [19:17:41] <Phae> still doing tag clouds?
  215. [19:18:25] <Phae> the only thing that springs to mind that you'd do similar to font sizing with xx-small etc. is the font-weight?
  216. [19:18:42] <Whafro> yeah... at a lock with client folk who don't think clients could keep nested em elements straight, and engineers who just want to make <span class="xx-large">...
  217. [19:18:59] <kingryan> Whafro: what's wrong with using <em> or <strong>
  218. [19:19:00] <kingryan> ?
  219. [19:19:16] <Phae> we talked about using those the other day
  220. [19:19:20] * kingryan gestures towards http://technorati.com/tags
  221. [19:19:28] <kingryan> ... which uses nested <em>'s
  222. [19:19:46] <Phae> the problem with using class names instead of using hte nested ems technique is of course the actual mark-up has no particular emphasis
  223. [19:19:47] <Whafro> I'm completely down with nested <em>s, but the client-facing people think that's gonna be a nightmare for our more dangerous clients
  224. [19:19:51] <csarven> Phae entry-title could use the title element value or h1 value
  225. [19:19:53] <Phae> so anything not looking at it visually just won't "get it"
  226. [19:20:12] <Phae> i.e. without CSS
  227. [19:20:13] <csarven> its the only thing about differntiating between title and h1.. they are similar but different
  228. [19:20:32] <csarven> im not sure what the intention was for entry-title
  229. [19:20:34] <Phae> Using the title element seems.. unusual.
  230. [19:20:40] <Phae> entry-title should be a header, as a rule.
  231. [19:20:44] <csarven> right now im using h1 value
  232. [19:20:44] <Phae> the heading of the entry.
  233. [19:20:47] <Phae> right.
  234. [19:21:45] <csarven> yes.. would work but unusual :)
  235. [19:22:19] <csarven> or i would imagine it would.. if html has hfeed and hentry is on head
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  238. [19:22:44] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  239. [19:22:47] <Phae> sure. if your page only will ever have one "entry" in it.
  240. [19:22:49] <Phae> hey drew :D
  241. [19:22:53] <drewinthehead> hey Phae
  242. [19:23:28] * drewinthehead enjoys his new 'swishy-swishy' status when joining this room in Colloquy
  243. [19:23:38] <Phae> yeah, colloquy is noisy like that
  244. [19:24:00] <drewinthehead> i just had a thought whilst doing the dishes
  245. [19:24:04] <Phae> uhoh.
  246. [19:24:25] <drewinthehead> we have XFN for expressing basic relationships between people
  247. [19:24:32] <Phae> right.
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  249. [19:24:57] <drewinthehead> my thought was how about a system for expressing basic relationships between a person and a company
  250. [19:25:08] <drewinthehead> kind of like XHTML Professional Network or something
  251. [19:25:08] <kingryan> hcard role?
  252. [19:25:09] <Phae> a company map?
  253. [19:25:29] <drewinthehead> <a href="http://yahoo.com" rev="employee">Yahoo!</a>
  254. [19:25:39] <Phae> oh. you mean super simple.
  255. [19:25:48] <csarven> x is a member of y?
  256. [19:25:49] <Phae> rather than also going into departments and authoritive statements
  257. [19:26:01] <drewinthehead> or <a href="http://google.com/" rev="customer">Google</a>
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  259. [19:26:07] <kingryan> I believe there's been some research into this on the wiki
  260. [19:26:12] <drewinthehead> awesome
  261. [19:26:18] <Phae> the only reason this peaks my interest is a developer was puzzling me on the best way to present a tree of people that work in a company
  262. [19:26:28] <Phae> a very large one as it happens (about 50,000 people :( )
  263. [19:27:02] <drewinthehead> that gets really interesting when you can search on references to a company from its customers etc... combine with votelinks for all kinds of fun
  264. [19:27:08] <Phae> ooo
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  266. [19:27:53] <Phae> xfn/rel/rev mashups?
  267. [19:27:53] <drewinthehead> but also <a href="http://bigcorp.com" rev="shareholder">Big Corp are going amazing things lately</a> ...
  268. [19:28:54] * tantek notices references to XFN
  269. [19:28:58] <drewinthehead> how do you mean Phae?
  270. [19:29:11] <tantek> drew, there is a simple proposal for "groups" (which encapsulates, companies, organizations etc.)
  271. [19:29:13] <tantek> on the wiki
  272. [19:29:18] <tantek> consisting of two new rel values
  273. [19:29:19] <Phae> well... we've all said - wouldn't it be cool to use xfn with something...
  274. [19:29:21] <tantek> rel="member"
  275. [19:29:24] <tantek> and rel="group"
  276. [19:29:31] <kingryan> fwiw, my friend eran did some research, but not the mf wiki: http://hellonline.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/XMF
  277. [19:29:34] * drewinthehead is hunting
  278. [19:29:36] <Phae> i think votelinks and no-follow would be good for getting better search results
  279. [19:29:41] <kingryan> he created his own dialect for a school project
  280. [19:29:49] <tantek> where an individual can claim to belong to a "group" by linking to the URL of that group with rel="group"
  281. [19:30:03] <tantek> and a group can claim certain people are members by linking to their URLs with rel="member"
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  283. [19:30:19] <tantek> given the microformat way of starting as simple as possible, this seemed like the right place to start
  284. [19:30:26] <kingryan> also, a reminder to everyone..... we may very well lose @rev in HTML5, so we need to be careful about relying on it
  285. [19:30:27] <tantek> i don't know of anyone using this in practice yet
  286. [19:30:27] <Phae> makes sense
  287. [19:30:34] <Phae> has a variety of uses
  288. [19:30:43] <tantek> only dependence on @rev right now is VoteLinks
  289. [19:30:47] <tantek> which has not seen much uptake anyway
  290. [19:30:53] * kingryan shakes fist at Hixie
  291. [19:30:55] <Phae> what's the justification for removing rev? just lack of general usage?
  292. [19:30:59] <tantek> I tend to agree with Hixie regarding the author confusion of "rev"
  293. [19:31:08] <Phae> oh.
  294. [19:31:09] * drewinthehead likes @rev
  295. [19:31:09] <kingryan> Phae: it's confusing to people and isn't used properly
  296. [19:31:10] <Phae> ok.
  297. [19:31:15] <tantek> Phae, both lack of general usage, and misusage when it is used
  298. [19:31:22] * Phae nods.
  299. [19:31:24] <Phae> with ya
  300. [19:31:30] <tantek> so basically, rev is either useless or confusing or both
  301. [19:31:30] <kingryan> people use <link rev='stylesheet' ... />
  302. [19:31:37] <Phae> oh :/
  303. [19:31:56] <kingryan> Hixie's research has shown that it just doesn't work
  304. [19:31:59] <Phae> are there any talks about a replacement attribute?
  305. [19:32:01] <tantek> rev is a perfect example of an "academically correct" feature that wrong for humans
  306. [19:32:07] <drewinthehead> so how would you do rev="member" without @rev?
  307. [19:32:20] <tantek> you do rel="group"
  308. [19:32:29] <tantek> that's the point of having the two values
  309. [19:32:37] <tantek> you point to the thing, and name it relative to you
  310. [19:32:40] <jcgregorio> join whatwg
  311. [19:32:50] <Phae> i'm on whatwg.. I just haven't noticed that particular discussion
  312. [19:32:59] <kingryan> jcgregorio: who's that pointed at? I think we're all on the mailing list
  313. [19:33:01] <jcgregorio> d'oh sorry
  314. [19:33:09] <tantek> I could say <a href="http://technorati.com" rel="group">...
  315. [19:33:11] <kingryan> Phae: it was awhile ago
  316. [19:33:14] <jcgregorio> that was supposed to begin with a '/'
  317. [19:33:21] <Phae> it may be from before my subscription
  318. [19:33:24] <Phae> nevermind!
  319. [19:33:45] <kingryan> lol jcgregorio, I though you were talking to us, not freenode
  320. [19:33:54] <Phae> oh!!
  321. [19:33:58] <Phae> I get it.
  322. [19:34:01] <Phae> Sorry jcgregorio :)
  323. [19:34:26] <tantek> drew, see: http://microformats.org/wiki/group-brainstorming
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  325. [19:34:57] <drewinthehead> i'm there tantek :)
  326. [19:35:33] <drewinthehead> I'm not sure a group is the same thing as a relationship with company
  327. [19:37:16] <Phae> what'd be the difference?
  328. [19:38:04] <tantek> drew, indeed a quadrilateral is not the same thing as a square
  329. [19:38:19] <drewinthehead> take the example of rev="customer" ... i may be in a group of customers conceptually, but it makes no sense to link with rel="group"
  330. [19:38:43] <kingryan> you just said "group of customers"
  331. [19:38:44] <tantek> drew, i suggest forcing yourself to think only in terms of rel
  332. [19:38:49] <Phae> quite, ryan's got it
  333. [19:38:51] <kingryan> is it a group or not? :D
  334. [19:38:55] <csarven> is there anything like 'a member' ?
  335. [19:38:55] <Phae> you're not talking about "yahoo" in that respect
  336. [19:38:55] <tantek> and coming up with appropriate terms for such
  337. [19:39:02] <Phae> you're talking about the "customers of yahoo"
  338. [19:39:06] <tantek> i predict that use of rev will make even the discussion harder to follow
  339. [19:39:11] <csarven> a member covers the group and the relationship
  340. [19:39:18] <drewinthehead> we could express all sorts of crap with rel="group" and lose the data we were trying to capture
  341. [19:39:23] <tantek> group *is* the relationship
  342. [19:39:35] <tantek> drew, the point is to start simple
  343. [19:39:41] <tantek> rather than trying to capture all the data
  344. [19:40:11] <drewinthehead> but then you can be so simple as to capture nothing of use
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  346. [19:41:11] <Phae> does it depend on usuage? if a customer is talking about yahoo, would they be reviewing yahoo, so the rest of the vital information making this person a customer, rather than an employee, within the hreview or hcard information?
  347. [19:41:16] <Phae> usage*
  348. [19:41:31] <tantek> drew, the point is to push it to that point
  349. [19:41:40] <tantek> be so simple that it seems like it is useless
  350. [19:41:47] <tantek> then you have reached the right point
  351. [19:41:49] <tantek> to build from
  352. [19:41:53] <tantek> until you do that
  353. [19:42:02] <tantek> you don't know that you have made it "as simple as possible"
  354. [19:42:32] <mfbot> [[faq-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-ja&diff=0&oldid=11105 * IwaiMasaharu * (+66) Q. ''Are there issues with page styling when specific class values are used?'' - 訳したけど怪しいかも
  355. [19:43:06] <tantek> in essence, Einstein's quote was descriptive, not prescriptive
  356. [19:43:34] <kingryan> reductio ad simplico
  357. [19:44:05] <tantek> the precise quote is
  358. [19:44:13] <tantek> "The supreme goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate representation of a single datum of experience." - http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein
  359. [19:44:21] <tantek> This is usually paraphrased to: Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.
  360. [19:44:38] <tantek> that describes the goal, but not how to get there
  361. [19:45:23] <drewinthehead> rel="group" seems simpler than possible for the kind of relationships i had in mind
  362. [19:45:24] <tantek> in order to find "as simple as possible", I assert that you have to make something *too simple* first
  363. [19:45:41] <tantek> and then iterate and add what is necessary
  364. [19:45:49] <Phae> drewinthehead- why not think up a couple examples and see if it can be done? might be fun.
  365. [19:46:03] <Phae> with what we've got +rel-group stuffs
  366. [19:46:09] <drewinthehead> but also if we're abandoning ship on @rev then the concept doesn't really work anyway. the @rel version would be too much of a mindf* to use.
  367. [19:46:18] <Phae> heh
  368. [19:46:22] <tantek> drewinthehead - you are welcome to do research and add to http://microformats.org/wiki/group-examples
  369. [19:47:36] <drewinthehead> little point, it seems. i suck at this .. i'll stick to implementation :)
  370. [19:48:01] <Phae> nooo.. i just think we're talking about being simple too much.
  371. [19:48:18] <Phae> talking of simple. i wish we had a gender state somewhere.. then i could do geneaology
  372. [19:50:42] <tantek> Phae, consider using tags for that
  373. [19:50:56] <Phae> hmmm
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  378. [20:06:39] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11106 * DavidJanes * (+84) A better explanation
  379. [20:07:30] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11107 * DavidJanes * (-1) Thing Brainstorming -
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  381. [20:13:26] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11108 * DavidJanes * (+543) Added the goal of this uF
  382. [20:17:24] <mkaply> drewinthehead: by chance have any of my emails about microformat firefox extensions got to you? I know you are probably busy at XML 2006
  383. [20:17:53] * mkaply is guessing
  384. [20:18:26] <drewinthehead> hey mkaply ... yes, i've got them in my guilt-inducing to-do folder
  385. [20:18:30] <Phae> heh
  386. [20:18:47] * drewinthehead goes reads the emails
  387. [20:18:52] <mkaply> drewinthehead: Think of it as me taking work away from you :)
  388. [20:19:17] * Phae still awaits a copy of a certain toolbar
  389. [20:19:54] * drewinthehead likes the use of the word 'toolbra' in the subject line. perhaps something Phae would find more useful than I.
  390. [20:20:02] <mkaply> doh!
  391. [20:20:05] <drewinthehead> :D
  392. [20:20:05] <Phae> haha
  393. [20:20:10] <Phae> probably
  394. [20:20:21] <mkaply> Mozilla wanted me to come up with a clever name - the Microformats Toolbra
  395. [20:20:33] <drewinthehead> although a few more mincepies and you never know
  396. [20:21:00] <mkaply> drewinthehead: All I have to go on is your image and at this point I have that functionality and quite a bit more.
  397. [20:21:27] <mkaply> Mozilla wants to put the extension up on labs.mozilla.org next week (Friday) and probably talk about microformats on some posts during the week
  398. [20:21:44] <csarven> what is the proper term for text that is a caption/pullquote/summary that is used to draw readers attention which is commonly found in magazines
  399. [20:22:24] <drewinthehead> ok, i need to find out what's been happening at work this week (i've been out of the office) wrt my toolbar, mkaply
  400. [20:22:30] <Phae> pull-quote, I believe
  401. [20:22:39] <Phae> I'm trying to think what my company (a marketing one) calls them
  402. [20:22:46] <mkaply> drewinthehead: Is that something being done by a larger group? Not just yourself?
  403. [20:23:18] <csarven> pull-quote/call out
  404. [20:23:28] <Phae> I've never seen/heard it called a call out
  405. [20:23:47] <jinx> i have
  406. [20:23:57] <Phae> m'k
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  408. [20:24:14] <Phae> i'm not saying it's wrong.. i think it'll vary a little. some terms are jargon
  409. [20:24:14] <csarven> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull-quote
  410. [20:24:14] <drewinthehead> i'm the main person working on it, but I know Chris Heilmann has been evangelising our work internally in the last week. i work on search innovation.
  411. [20:24:27] <Phae> and i don't have a print publisher to pester right now for the technical term
  412. [20:24:50] <drewinthehead> pull-quote is good, Phae, csarven
  413. [20:25:47] <mkaply> drewinthehead: I just don't want to steal your thunder. I already have an Q/A about what this toolbar has to do with your toolbar :)
  414. [20:27:15] <mkaply> I've designed it to be very extensible, so any yahoo services can simply be dropped in.
  415. [20:27:27] <drewinthehead> mkaply: i'm not sure how the politics work at Yahoo. if this were just my personal project i'd be very keen to work together
  416. [20:27:40] <csarven> for anyone interested in Typography: http://www.proximasoftware.com/fontexpert/terms/index.html
  417. [20:27:55] <mkaply> drewinthehead: was the plan for this to be an official yahoo toolbar?
  418. [20:27:55] <drewinthehead> no point in having competing products if we could pool resources and have a single, high quality choice
  419. [20:28:22] * drewinthehead couldn't possibly comment on such things ;)
  420. [20:28:43] <drewinthehead> to be honest, i'm not sure what's happened in this last week so i don't know the answer to that
  421. [20:28:55] <Phae> thanks csarven
  422. [20:29:01] * Phae bookmarks
  423. [20:29:14] <mkaply> drewinthehead: yeah, I assumed no comment :)
  424. [20:29:30] * mkaply needs a microformat expert to help with him. He just learned all this stuff in the past month :)
  425. [20:29:40] <Phae> drew's yer man.
  426. [20:30:15] * drewinthehead did his toolbar in one day, so could do with some XUL help
  427. [20:30:41] <drewinthehead> i've never done a toolbar before.
  428. [20:30:51] <drewinthehead> this was a hackday project
  429. [20:31:00] <mkaply> drewinthehead: ah. That makes sense then :)
  430. [20:33:18] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11109 * DavidJanes * (+450) Clarified and corrected the Rationale for an item microformat
  431. [20:33:27] <mkaply> So I guess the main thing you might want to take back then if other folk care is that there is other microformat toolbar work going on that is going to be released next Friday most likely
  432. [20:33:49] <mkaply> I'd be more than happy to include many connections to yahoo content :)
  433. [20:33:58] <mkaply> I already have delicious, flickr, yahoo calendar
  434. [20:34:04] <drewinthehead> that i can help you with
  435. [20:34:16] <mkaply> figuring out the URL syntax for yahoo calendar took a little bit
  436. [20:34:29] <mkaply> And I still can't figure out why my multiday events lose a day at yahoo
  437. [20:34:29] <drewinthehead> yeah, here too ;)
  438. [20:35:10] <drewinthehead> yahoo address book is another good one to add, as yahoo mail uses it
  439. [20:35:29] <mfbot> [[issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/issues * AndyMabbett * (+30) redirect (should this be a disambiguation page, listing all *-issues?)
  440. [20:35:35] <drewinthehead> and yahoo mail is the biggest single provider of mail globally
  441. [20:35:40] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11110 * DavidJanes * (+27) Notes -
  442. [20:35:42] <mkaply> they lose a day at google too :)
  443. [20:36:00] <mkaply> drewinthehead: I'd love to provide that. Do they have an easy URL for adding contacts? I couldn't find anything for gmail
  444. [20:36:01] <mfbot> [[issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=issues&diff=0&oldid=11111 * AndyMabbett * (+2)
  445. [20:36:17] <mfbot> [[issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=issues&diff=0&oldid=11112 * AndyMabbett * (+1)
  446. [20:36:21] <drewinthehead> i'll dig out what i have, mkaply
  447. [20:36:28] <mkaply> And I really liked your bookmarking idea - I added that - so any microformat can be bookmarked as a data URL (not sure if that is how you did it)
  448. [20:36:53] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11113 * DavidJanes * (+9) Note the current existance of hItem
  449. [20:37:21] <mkaply> I also discovered bugs the microformats on eventful and upcoming that I have reported, plus I found quite a few invalid hReviews
  450. [20:38:53] <Phae> validation has been a difficult hurdle.
  451. [20:39:00] <Phae> well, IS.
  452. [20:39:28] <mkaply> Phae: I think a toolbar will help. I actually allow display "invalid format" and when you click it, I tell you why it is invalid (for the ones I can figure out)
  453. [20:39:37] <Phae> certainly.
  454. [20:39:42] <Phae> it'll be great.
  455. [20:39:44] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=11114 * AndyMabbett * (+483) IP rights (per discussion list)
  456. [20:40:02] <mkaply> the upcoming stuff is silly. The put the word "Description" in the class=description which makes it kind of silly when you query it
  457. [20:40:44] <drewinthehead> i'd like to work on a common javascript library for parsing microformats, as it'd help for all this stuff.
  458. [20:41:02] <drewinthehead> were the upcoming.org guys responsive, mkaply?
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  460. [20:41:46] <mkaply> drewinthehead: We had some discussions on their forum and I think they are thinking about what I said.
  461. [20:41:58] <mkaply> The eventful guys fixed both bugs I reported within a few hours.
  462. [20:42:04] <mkaply> The upcoming stuff wasn't as obviously a "bug"
  463. [20:42:06] <drewinthehead> cool. they're all good guys
  464. [20:43:10] <mfbot> [[implied-hcard-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/implied-hcard-examples * RCanine * (+3330)
  465. [20:43:28] <kingryan> I usually report eventful bugs by saying 'hober' in this channel
  466. [20:43:37] <kingryan> but he's not around right now :D
  467. [20:44:18] <mkaply> drewinthehead: A library would be nice. I ended up using Javascript for everything, even vcard/ics export since I found cases where the XSLT that Brian Suda did didn't work in some cases
  468. [20:44:21] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11115 * DavidJanes * (-1) hThing-based microformats -
  469. [20:44:29] <mkaply> But my JS needs a lot of work - I'm certainly not getting everything in the microformat
  470. [20:45:18] <drewinthehead> my toolbar isn't at all robust, mkaply. it screws up quite a lot on kingryan's site
  471. [20:45:33] <mkaply> I got king ryan's site down - thanks for that testcase :)
  472. [20:46:23] <mkaply> drewinthehead: Should I just send you what I have? Or do you want to wait until it is released on Friday
  473. [20:47:15] <drewinthehead> yeah, send it along :)
  474. [20:48:06] <mkaply> So the email address I figured out was correct then. That's good.
  475. [20:48:17] <mkaply> You've done the best job I have ever seen of keeping your email addrses off of the web
  476. [20:48:22] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11116 * DavidJanes * (+20) What this microformat should look like
  477. [20:49:58] <mfbot> [[implied-hcard-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implied-hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+3330) implied-hcard-examples moved to hcard-implied-examples
  478. [20:50:06] <drewinthehead> mkaply: i try :)
  479. [20:50:19] <mfbot> [[implied-hcard]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/implied-hcard * RCanine * (+1218)
  480. [20:50:40] <mfbot> [[Template:hcard-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcard-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=11117 * AndyMabbett * (+35) hcard-implied-examples
  481. [20:51:21] <mfbot> [[hcard-implied]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-implied * AndyMabbett * (+36) redirect
  482. [20:52:52] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11118 * DavidJanes * (+85) [[DavidJanes]] -
  483. [20:53:25] <mkaply> Anyone else want an early copy of the toolbar while I'm sending it out?
  484. [20:54:14] <Phae> sure.
  485. [20:57:03] <mfbot> [[implied-hcard-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/implied-hcard-brainstorming * RCanine * (+982)
  486. [20:57:59] <mfbot> [[hcard-implied-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implied-examples&diff=0&oldid=11119 * RCanine * (+87)
  487. [21:02:25] <mkaply> sent
  488. [21:02:48] <mkaply> drewinthehead: I'll do the rest of the yahoo integration next week. Thanks. Any idea if there is a way to send Yahoo Maps a latitude longitude URL?
  489. [21:02:56] <mkaply> for geo lookups?
  490. [21:03:25] <mfbot> [[item-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=item-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11120 * DavidJanes * (-50) Removed reference to alternates, doesn't make sense
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  492. [21:04:57] <drewinthehead> i don't think there is, mkaply. I couldn't find a way, anyway
  493. [21:05:11] <jibot> Catspaw is Michelle Levesque
  494. [21:05:33] <mkaply> Right now I'm doing reverse lookups on the lat/long and displaying an approximate address on the menu (which is never right) - but when I send it to google maps, I use the real latitude/longitude
  495. [21:06:20] <Phae> ah. beautiful
  496. [21:09:57] <mfbot> [[implied-hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implied-hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11121 * RCanine * (+277)
  497. [21:11:22] <Phae> the add to google calendar thing is nice. i do that currently using the option on the upcoming event page, but it's nice to see that i could do the same so quickly from another hEvent somewhere
  498. [21:11:29] * Phae grins.
  499. [21:17:26] <mkaply> I like having one place to go for all my calendar interaction.
  500. [21:17:38] <mkaply> (the toolbar)
  501. [21:17:52] <Phae> yeah. it's a simple thing, but it's the most regular 'format I'm using with an application at the moment.
  502. [21:18:00] <Phae> so it's nice :)
  503. [21:18:00] <mkaply> One thing I REALLY don't like about upcoming is that all of the events on their front page are vevents, but they have no dates with them
  504. [21:18:22] <Phae> i noticed it didn't pick it up until i went into an event
  505. [21:18:25] <mkaply> I believe that's technically a violation of the spec, so I should probably mark those as errors
  506. [21:18:35] <Phae> yeah, they should have dates
  507. [21:18:56] <mkaply> I see 12 events on the front page.
  508. [21:19:02] <mkaply> Phae: what do you think of the toolbar in general?
  509. [21:19:07] <Phae> maybe i didn't notice it deepen in colour. i'll look again.
  510. [21:19:40] <mkaply> Phae: developer feature you might not have noticed - hold down ctrl when you click on an event
  511. [21:19:49] <Phae> I rather like being able to flick it from action/uf - from an implementor point of view it's handy
  512. [21:19:49] <Phae> ok
  513. [21:20:27] <mkaply> ctrl shows the source
  514. [21:20:29] <Phae> oh. I never go to the upcoming.org main page. I'm always logged in so I get my personalised home
  515. [21:20:36] <Phae> and I don't pick up any events that way
  516. [21:20:46] <mkaply> shift shows my internal JS representation
  517. [21:21:16] <Phae> oh cool
  518. [21:21:28] <mkaply> I was kind of aiming it at develoeprs and Users
  519. [21:21:30] <Phae> yeah, that's useful
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  521. [21:21:44] <jibot> Cloud_ is Cloud
  522. [21:21:45] <mkaply> I'd appreciate any feedback you have. I'm hoping to put a lot more work into it next week.
  523. [21:21:59] <mkaply> early day today. Christmas party. Thanks for all the info!
  524. [21:22:03] <Phae> i'll play with it over the next day or two and drop you a note :D
  525. [21:22:19] <Phae> ah, cool. have fun!
  526. [21:22:19] <mkaply> And any creative idea to do with hReviews, please let me know
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  528. [21:22:44] <Phae> what DO people do with hReviewS?
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  530. [21:28:21] <drewinthehead> i found linking product reviews to an Answers search was good, but not for event reviews
  531. [21:29:23] <mfbot> [[implied-hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implied-hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+1259) implied-hcard-brainstorming moved to hcard-implied-brainstorming
  532. [21:29:24] <Phae> i was thinking in an extraction kind of way
  533. [21:29:40] <Phae> they're only really useful in a linking to way
  534. [21:30:10] <tantek> reviews are opinions, and in that way, quite useful
  535. [21:30:19] <Phae> of course.
  536. [21:30:21] <tantek> reviews are also ways to tag other things on the web
  537. [21:30:36] <Phae> but in regards to a toolbar and doing something other than linking to them
  538. [21:30:50] <Phae> except for validating and finding in the first place, of course
  539. [21:31:23] <Phae> it's fine. it's not important... i was just wondering if i was being dense and missing an obvious use
  540. [21:33:34] <mfbot> [[hcard-implied-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implied-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11122 * AndyMabbett * (+318) Links to vcards
  541. [21:34:10] <mfbot> [[hcard-implied-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implied-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=11123 * AndyMabbett * (+2)
  542. [21:34:13] <tantek> in the broadest sense, hReviews are 3rd party information about things on the web
  543. [21:34:51] <tantek> so from a toolbar sense, perhaps if the toolbar would show you reviews of the page (item represented by the page) you were looking at, that would be interesting
  544. [21:35:13] <Phae> yeah, that's fine. i'm with that.
  545. [21:35:16] <mfbot> [[Template:hcard-related-pages]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcard-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=11124 * AndyMabbett * (-9)
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  586. [23:45:54] <kingryan> wow, andy's fast
  587. [23:46:04] <kingryan> must be hitting refresh on http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges

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