IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-12-10

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  15. [01:31:26] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  17. [01:51:07] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  20. [02:01:56] <jibot> bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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  22. [03:06:06] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  29. [05:08:17] <veeliam> ?def veeliam
  30. [05:08:17] <jibot> veeliam is William Lawrence <http://zaxbypass.com> and does webstuff with his quiddities. Really.
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  34. [06:17:57] <Prometheus^> is it possible to somehow link hcard to a blog post?
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  38. [07:51:05] <veeliam> Prometheus^, why would you want to do that?
  39. [07:51:31] <veeliam> just a post and not the hcard owners page>?
  40. [08:09:02] <Prometheus^> veeliam, well, I've a hcard already on the page
  41. [08:09:42] <Prometheus^> and the news are going to be coming dynamically from a system that doesn't provide the hcard of the person who wrote it, so I'd rather just use the existing hcard
  42. [08:09:46] <veeliam> so, what's your objective with adding an additional URL in the hcard
  43. [08:12:48] <Prometheus^> uh.. I'm not really sure what I am even trying to do here :)
  44. [08:13:01] <veeliam> I would imagine that you could wrap the author of the news article with the same information that is in their hcard. You can have more than one hcard on a page of the same person.
  45. [08:13:08] <Prometheus^> been up coding, for the past 12 hours so I'm a little bit slow :)
  46. [08:13:41] <Prometheus^> veeliam, good point, but I'd need to hide the information from being shown on the page
  47. [08:14:03] <veeliam> then use css to hide it.
  48. [08:14:15] <veeliam> no?
  49. [08:14:46] <Prometheus^> aye, I guess I will
  50. [08:15:00] <veeliam> .post .author .vcard {position:absolute; .... yada yada ...
  51. [08:15:17] <Prometheus^> yeah that'll do fine, thanks :)
  52. [08:17:05] <veeliam> np.
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  54. [08:50:56] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at> from Austria (TZ: 0100)
  55. [08:51:14] <RobertBachmann> Good morning, folks
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  58. [09:20:30] <veeliam> morning
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  60. [10:27:12] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  61. [10:54:04] * veeliam had told mflogbot earlier this week that his pet project for the weekend would be to modify/recreate one of the MF creators on his own site for his own needs.
  62. [10:54:04] * veeliam has started the said work and will finish it up at SHDH14. Really.
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  65. [11:18:05] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  68. [11:28:10] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  72. [12:18:12] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
  73. [12:19:00] <gsnedders> $heraldme
  74. [12:19:02] <gsnedders> oh yeah… wrong channel :P
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  77. [12:47:53] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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  84. [13:42:50] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  92. [14:33:49] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  99. [15:17:45] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  114. [17:23:17] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  129. [19:06:39] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  140. [20:08:13] <jibot> bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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  143. [20:35:06] <jibot> Ashley` is has an accent.
  144. [20:35:43] * Ashley` is does
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  148. [21:19:07] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  155. [22:33:07] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
  156. [22:56:36] <yakk> we need a microformat for political mailing list flame wars - especially when they get personal
  157. [22:56:42] <yakk> looks like we've got examples in the wild now...
  158. [22:57:25] <yakk> <p class="flame"> <a href="..." class="fn" rel="blame">...</a> </p>
  159. [22:58:41] <csarven> heh
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  161. [23:11:58] * om_out is now known as othermaciej
  162. [23:12:44] * othermaciej waves at yakk
  163. [23:13:56] <tantek> is the flame an aspect of the conversation?
  164. [23:14:04] <tantek> e.g. perhaps a tag would work better for that
  165. [23:14:09] <tantek> tagging the relevant post as "flame"
  166. [23:14:15] <tantek> rather than using class="flame"
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  171. [23:31:13] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  172. [23:35:54] <yakk> hey othermaciej
  173. [23:36:37] <yakk> tantek, ahh, perhaps - or perhaps the flame is related to a conversation, but there are other things that are also related
  174. [23:37:01] <yakk> tantek, cite rel=flame? I don't know for sure
  175. [23:37:21] <tantek> but "flame" is a descriptive label on the statement right?
  176. [23:37:30] <tantek> where as "response" might be the relationship
  177. [23:37:40] <yakk> tantek, yeah, I guess so.
  178. [23:37:52] <yakk> tantek, I'm shy of associating global(ish) meanings to tags
  179. [23:37:59] <othermaciej> something could be a flame of something else
  180. [23:38:06] <othermaciej> as well as being a flame in general
  181. [23:38:11] <tantek> i think it is worse to put data into attributes
  182. [23:38:16] <tantek> which can't always be avoided
  183. [23:38:23] <tantek> but especially in the case of "class"
  184. [23:38:26] * yakk nods.
  185. [23:39:50] <yakk> tantek, although putting metadata into tags is valuable. I was looking at hResume and decided not to use it since it uses rel-tag for skills and I don't actually want <a> tags around my skills
  186. [23:40:10] <yakk> othermaciej, what have you been up to lately?
  187. [23:40:13] <tantek> interesting
  188. [23:40:51] <yakk> tantek, also, it recommends that you put a hCard in an <address> but <address> is inline so it limits severely what you can do visually with your personal information
  189. [23:41:13] <yakk> so in the end I think my resume only has a validly marked up hCard
  190. [23:41:33] <othermaciej> yakk: coding, causing trouble, i.e. the usual
  191. [23:41:54] <othermaciej> yakk: CSS can change the presentation of an address to be anything you want
  192. [23:41:58] <tantek> yakk, could you give that feedback here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume-feedback
  193. [23:42:36] <tantek> othermaciej, i believe yakk is referring to the problems of HTML content model embedding rules for <address>
  194. [23:43:20] <yakk> othermaciej, css can't change what I'm allowed to put in an <address> - I guess what tantek said
  195. [23:43:33] <yakk> tantek, yeah - I should - let me go do that now while I'm feeling it
  196. [23:43:52] <tantek> thanks much yakk
  197. [23:43:53] <othermaciej> yakk: that only limits what you can do semantically, not what you can do visually
  198. [23:44:30] <tantek> othermaciej - it limits what you can do *validly* which is annoying because of course we want all our content to validate ;)
  199. [23:45:25] <othermaciej> tantek: that too has nothing to do with what you can do visually afaict
  200. [23:45:47] <othermaciej> you don't need a <p> to have something display as a block, or a <table> to have it display as a table
  201. [23:46:11] <tantek> sure, but the whole point of using <address> is to be more semantic
  202. [23:46:20] <tantek> so semantic limitations matter
  203. [23:46:28] <tantek> otherwise you just wouldn't use <address>
  204. [23:47:00] <othermaciej> but you shouldn't need block-level semantics for parts of your address
  205. [23:47:00] <yakk> hmm
  206. [23:47:11] <othermaciej> I think yakk just forgot about display: block
  207. [23:47:24] <yakk> oh, I remember why I didn't just make everything a <span> and use display attributes on everything
  208. [23:47:45] <yakk> I wanted it to display reasonably in a browser that doesn't do enough CSS
  209. [23:48:50] <yakk> none of the text-based browsers would render my title like I wanted if it wasn't an actual <h1> - and I wanted to be able to trivially generate a plain-text equivalent
  210. [23:49:21] <yakk> really I should go in and hack on them, I guess

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