IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-12-10
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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?def veeliam
- [05:08:17] <jibot>
veeliam is William Lawrence <http://zaxbypass.com> and does webstuff with his quiddities. Really.
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- [06:17:57] <Prometheus^>
is it possible to somehow link hcard to a blog post?
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- [07:51:05] <veeliam>
Prometheus^, why would you want to do that?
- [07:51:31] <veeliam>
just a post and not the hcard owners page>?
- [08:09:02] <Prometheus^>
veeliam, well, I've a hcard already on the page
- [08:09:42] <Prometheus^>
and the news are going to be coming dynamically from a system that doesn't provide the hcard of the person who wrote it, so I'd rather just use the existing hcard
- [08:09:46] <veeliam>
so, what's your objective with adding an additional URL in the hcard
- [08:12:48] <Prometheus^>
uh.. I'm not really sure what I am even trying to do here :)
- [08:13:01] <veeliam>
I would imagine that you could wrap the author of the news article with the same information that is in their hcard. You can have more than one hcard on a page of the same person.
- [08:13:08] <Prometheus^>
been up coding, for the past 12 hours so I'm a little bit slow :)
- [08:13:41] <Prometheus^>
veeliam, good point, but I'd need to hide the information from being shown on the page
- [08:14:03] <veeliam>
then use css to hide it.
- [08:14:15] <veeliam>
no?
- [08:14:46] <Prometheus^>
aye, I guess I will
- [08:15:00] <veeliam>
.post .author .vcard {position:absolute; .... yada yada ...
- [08:15:17] <Prometheus^>
yeah that'll do fine, thanks :)
- [08:17:05] <veeliam>
np.
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at> from Austria (TZ: 0100)
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Good morning, folks
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morning
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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$heraldme
- [12:19:02] <gsnedders>
oh yeah… wrong channel :P
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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vmarks is in NC
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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vmarks is in NC
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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Ashley` is has an accent.
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
- [22:56:36] <yakk>
we need a microformat for political mailing list flame wars - especially when they get personal
- [22:56:42] <yakk>
looks like we've got examples in the wild now...
- [22:57:25] <yakk>
<p class="flame"> <a href="..." class="fn" rel="blame">...</a> </p>
- [22:58:41] <csarven>
heh
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- [23:13:56] <tantek>
is the flame an aspect of the conversation?
- [23:14:04] <tantek>
e.g. perhaps a tag would work better for that
- [23:14:09] <tantek>
tagging the relevant post as "flame"
- [23:14:15] <tantek>
rather than using class="flame"
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
- [23:35:54] <yakk>
hey othermaciej
- [23:36:37] <yakk>
tantek, ahh, perhaps - or perhaps the flame is related to a conversation, but there are other things that are also related
- [23:37:01] <yakk>
tantek, cite rel=flame? I don't know for sure
- [23:37:21] <tantek>
but "flame" is a descriptive label on the statement right?
- [23:37:30] <tantek>
where as "response" might be the relationship
- [23:37:40] <yakk>
tantek, yeah, I guess so.
- [23:37:52] <yakk>
tantek, I'm shy of associating global(ish) meanings to tags
- [23:37:59] <othermaciej>
something could be a flame of something else
- [23:38:06] <othermaciej>
as well as being a flame in general
- [23:38:11] <tantek>
i think it is worse to put data into attributes
- [23:38:16] <tantek>
which can't always be avoided
- [23:38:23] <tantek>
but especially in the case of "class"
- [23:38:26] * yakk nods.
- [23:39:50] <yakk>
tantek, although putting metadata into tags is valuable. I was looking at hResume and decided not to use it since it uses rel-tag for skills and I don't actually want <a> tags around my skills
- [23:40:10] <yakk>
othermaciej, what have you been up to lately?
- [23:40:13] <tantek>
interesting
- [23:40:51] <yakk>
tantek, also, it recommends that you put a hCard in an <address> but <address> is inline so it limits severely what you can do visually with your personal information
- [23:41:13] <yakk>
so in the end I think my resume only has a validly marked up hCard
- [23:41:33] <othermaciej>
yakk: coding, causing trouble, i.e. the usual
- [23:41:54] <othermaciej>
yakk: CSS can change the presentation of an address to be anything you want
- [23:41:58] <tantek>
yakk, could you give that feedback here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume-feedback
- [23:42:36] <tantek>
othermaciej, i believe yakk is referring to the problems of HTML content model embedding rules for <address>
- [23:43:20] <yakk>
othermaciej, css can't change what I'm allowed to put in an <address> - I guess what tantek said
- [23:43:33] <yakk>
tantek, yeah - I should - let me go do that now while I'm feeling it
- [23:43:52] <tantek>
thanks much yakk
- [23:43:53] <othermaciej>
yakk: that only limits what you can do semantically, not what you can do visually
- [23:44:30] <tantek>
othermaciej - it limits what you can do *validly* which is annoying because of course we want all our content to validate ;)
- [23:45:25] <othermaciej>
tantek: that too has nothing to do with what you can do visually afaict
- [23:45:47] <othermaciej>
you don't need a <p> to have something display as a block, or a <table> to have it display as a table
- [23:46:11] <tantek>
sure, but the whole point of using <address> is to be more semantic
- [23:46:20] <tantek>
so semantic limitations matter
- [23:46:28] <tantek>
otherwise you just wouldn't use <address>
- [23:47:00] <othermaciej>
but you shouldn't need block-level semantics for parts of your address
- [23:47:00] <yakk>
hmm
- [23:47:11] <othermaciej>
I think yakk just forgot about display: block
- [23:47:24] <yakk>
oh, I remember why I didn't just make everything a <span> and use display attributes on everything
- [23:47:45] <yakk>
I wanted it to display reasonably in a browser that doesn't do enough CSS
- [23:48:50] <yakk>
none of the text-based browsers would render my title like I wanted if it wasn't an actual <h1> - and I wanted to be able to trivially generate a plain-text equivalent
- [23:49:21] <yakk>
really I should go in and hack on them, I guess
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