IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-12-19

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  24. [03:01:48] <jibot> bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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  27. [03:25:08] <jibot> markp is Mark Pilgrim
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  34. [04:15:03] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
  35. [04:16:54] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=11664 * Csarven * (+113) Examples in the wild -
  36. [04:19:44] <csarven> implementing hResume took a little longer then i expected. fun
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  45. [05:42:53] <mfbot> [[firefox-extensions-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions-fr&diff=0&oldid=11665 * ChristopheDucamp * (+27)
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  48. [05:44:04] <jibot> bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
  49. [05:48:24] <mfbot> [[firefox-extensions-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions-fr&diff=0&oldid=11666 * ChristopheDucamp * (+48) sync'd with original version
  50. [05:49:30] <mfbot> [[firefox-extensions-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions-fr&diff=0&oldid=11667 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1)
  51. [05:53:51] <mfbot> [[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=11668 * ChristopheDucamp * (+273) WP Thèmes -
  52. [05:55:12] <mfbot> [[User:Jax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Jax * Jax * (+98) Self introduction
  53. [05:55:28] <mfbot> [[hresume]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=11669 * Jax * (+13) Examples in the wild -
  54. [05:57:19] <mfbot> [[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=11670 * ChristopheDucamp * (+192) phpMicroformats -
  55. [05:58:45] <mfbot> [[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=11671 * ChristopheDucamp * (-65) Chris Saccheri -
  56. [06:12:21] <mfbot> [[icons-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons-fr&diff=0&oldid=11672 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1251) sync'd
  57. [06:15:58] <mfbot> [[vote-links-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-fr&diff=0&oldid=11673 * ChristopheDucamp * (+151) Implémentations -
  58. [06:16:44] <mfbot> [[vote-links-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-fr&diff=0&oldid=11674 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1)
  59. [06:19:45] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=11675 * ChristopheDucamp * (+44) Librairies - typo
  60. [06:22:36] <mfbot> [[votelinks-issues-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/votelinks-issues-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+988)
  61. [06:23:12] <mfbot> [[votelinks-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=votelinks-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=11676 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2)
  62. [06:31:03] <mfbot> [[hcard-cheatsheet-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet-fr&diff=0&oldid=11677 * ChristopheDucamp * (+216) sync'd with original version
  63. [06:35:14] <mfbot> [[geo-cheatsheet-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-cheatsheet-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+695) creation
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  66. [06:37:45] <mfbot> [[Template:geo-related-pages-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:geo-related-pages-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+490) creation
  67. [06:39:16] <mfbot> [[adr-cheatsheet-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/adr-cheatsheet-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+428) creation
  68. [06:41:17] <mfbot> [[Template:adr-related-pages-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:adr-related-pages-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+286)
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  70. [06:41:58] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
  71. [06:46:13] <mfbot> [[hatom-cheatsheet-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom-cheatsheet-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+939) creation
  72. [06:48:20] <mfbot> [[Template:hatom-related-pages-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:hatom-related-pages-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+323) création
  73. [06:50:21] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-cheatsheet-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-cheatsheet-fr&diff=0&oldid=11678 * ChristopheDucamp * (+42) localisation class, dtend, dtstart, uid à prévoir
  74. [06:51:47] <mfbot> [[class-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/class-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+229) creation
  75. [06:53:08] <mfbot> [[dtend-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/dtend-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+73) creation
  76. [06:53:59] <mfbot> [[dtstart-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/dtstart-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+77) creation
  77. [06:58:00] <mfbot> [[uid]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=uid&diff=0&oldid=11679 * ChristopheDucamp * (+133) creation
  78. [06:58:41] <mfbot> [[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=11680 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) Editer Cette Page -
  79. [06:59:12] <mfbot> [[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=11681 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) Editer Cette Page - typo
  80. [07:01:33] <mfbot> [[uid]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=uid&diff=0&oldid=11682 * ChristopheDucamp * (-133) revert previous version - content moved to uid-fr
  81. [07:01:59] <mfbot> [[uid-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/uid-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+642) content imported from uid (fr translation)
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  83. [07:05:55] <mfbot> [[uid-examples-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/uid-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+3290) creation
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  85. [07:22:06] <mfbot> [[uid-brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/uid-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+7276) translation to be achieved
  86. [07:26:07] <mfbot> [[xoxo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-fr&diff=0&oldid=11683 * ChristopheDucamp * (+4) XOXO XML Simple bien-formé - closing mark
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  88. [07:31:19] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=11684 * ChristopheDucamp * (+179) Pour démarrer - Aidez à amorcer la communauté francophone
  89. [07:31:50] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=11685 * ChristopheDucamp * (-40) Pour démarrer -
  90. [07:32:41] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=11686 * ChristopheDucamp * (+11) Définition -
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  93. [07:33:14] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  94. [07:35:07] <mfbot> [[rel-license-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license-fr&diff=0&oldid=11687 * ChristopheDucamp * (+99) Implémentations - add == Liste de Licences ==
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  97. [07:39:25] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
  98. [07:46:08] <mfbot> [[rel-license-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license-fr&diff=0&oldid=11688 * ChristopheDucamp * (+135) sync'd with original version
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  100. [07:50:04] <mfbot> [[rellicense-issues-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rellicense-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=11689 * ChristopheDucamp * (+42) to be translated - link vers fr translation html spec
  101. [08:06:56] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=11690 * ChristopheDucamp * (+625) sync'd + * {{rel-tag-related-pages-fr}} à créer
  102. [08:10:02] <mfbot> [[Template:rel-tag-related-pages-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:rel-tag-related-pages-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+661) création
  103. [08:18:08] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-spaces-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-spaces-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1901) création (à étudier pour localiser un exemple en français)
  104. [08:32:07] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-faq-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=11691 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1311) Q&R - sync'd
  105. [08:34:38] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-feedback-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-feedback-fr&diff=0&oldid=11692 * ChristopheDucamp * (+56) {{rel-tag-related-pages-fr}}
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  111. [08:53:00] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-issues-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=11694 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1597) sync'd with original version
  112. [08:53:26] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=11695 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0)
  113. [08:56:12] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=11696 * ChristopheDucamp * (+26) copyedit, typo
  114. [08:58:48] <mfbot> [[rest/rex-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/rex-proposal&diff=0&oldid=11697 * Agtlewis * (+70) For More Information -
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  116. [08:59:43] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  121. [09:24:45] <mfbot> [[hcard-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=11698 * MarkTranchant * (+23) fixing URL in Notes
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  125. [09:57:43] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  127. [10:10:59] <jibot> Cloud is http://www.johnbreslin.com/
  128. [10:17:53] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=11699 * PsyPress * (+295) New Examples -
  129. [10:21:09] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=11700 * PsyPress * (+261) New Examples -
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  132. [10:51:47] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  141. [12:19:01] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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  147. [12:56:27] <jibot> Cloud is http://www.johnbreslin.com/
  148. [12:57:59] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=11701 * Tantek * (+190) added web directions north microformats talk
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  152. [13:10:59] <jibot> Cloud is http://www.johnbreslin.com/
  153. [13:11:10] <Cloud> ?herald
  154. [13:11:10] <jibot> Stopped heralding
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  156. [13:43:02] <mfbot> [[hcard-cheatsheet-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet-fr&diff=0&oldid=11702 * ChristopheDucamp * (+35)
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  158. [13:44:03] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=11703 * ChristopheDucamp * (+189) A venir : -
  159. [13:44:19] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=11704 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) A venir : -
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  187. [16:02:02] <zeroseis> What is the correct (or common sense) way of applying microformats icons, specially hcard download and hcard add? Should that be a link to a transformation script or the icon is just for visual identification?
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  200. [16:28:48] <tantek> zeroseis - it is something still being figured out
  201. [16:28:55] <tantek> are you a web designer?
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  205. [16:43:45] <julianstahnke> I'm confused by that as well. All the hCard icons have 'actions' attached while others, for example the hCalendar, doesn't.
  206. [16:44:30] <ZeroSeis> Hi, Tantek. I'm a web designer. I'm trying to apply the microformat icon in my blog.
  207. [16:45:27] <ZeroSeis> I've made a test page: http://zeroseis.com.br/teste
  208. [16:45:55] <tantek> zeroseis I think this is an area worthy of some design experimentation
  209. [16:46:19] <tantek> try out what *you* think looks good in your opinion as a web designer
  210. [16:46:36] <tantek> and link to it from the icons buttons page as an example and solicit feedback
  211. [16:47:37] <ZeroSeis> OK! I'll do that. Thanks!
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  216. [17:04:06] <mfbot> [[icons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons&diff=0&oldid=11709 * ZeroSeis * (-5)
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  218. [17:08:40] <kapowaz> some sort of standardisation in those icons would be good
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  220. [17:08:53] <kapowaz> it's interesting that people refer to them as 'microformats icons' when the microformats logo doesn't appear on them
  221. [17:08:59] <kapowaz> I was wondering if that might not want changing too.
  222. [17:09:29] <kapowaz> also, in this climate of resolution-independent display future, perhaps having them available as larger images (even in a vector format?) might be prudent.
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  225. [17:11:21] <kapowaz> actually, I note that the devkit does have vector formats
  226. [17:11:41] <KevinMarks> I have the microformat logo in pumpkin format
  227. [17:11:57] <kapowaz> that's just great.
  228. [17:12:01] * kapowaz grins
  229. [17:12:11] <kapowaz> I said I was going to publish it as EPS and PSD like, 2 months ago
  230. [17:12:22] <kapowaz> and never did. I should try and do that tonight, if the Wii doesn't get me first
  231. [17:13:51] <KevinMarks> http://flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/285384771/
  232. [17:14:17] <kapowaz> ah yes, I have seen that ;)
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  240. [18:07:59] <mfbot> [[xoxo-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=11710 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2)
  241. [18:10:46] <mfbot> [[xoxo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-fr&diff=0&oldid=11711 * ChristopheDucamp * (+51) Code échantillon -
  242. [18:12:37] <Ronnos> hm, i really like the green microformat icons
  243. [18:12:51] <Ronnos> but the orange hcal icon is also nice
  244. [18:13:09] <Ronnos> orange / red :)
  245. [18:15:12] <mfbot> [[xoxo-sample-code-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-sample-code-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+65560) [fr: translation of xoxo-sample code / Unable to translate code... Could be translated in french ? help welcome]
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  249. [18:20:56] <Ronnos> hm, it seems that green is the commonly use color for microformats on the internets. But i wonder if it's handy to use it for all the different Microformats.
  250. [18:21:18] <mfbot> [[xoxo-profile-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-profile-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1351) fr : translation draft to be reviewed
  251. [18:21:44] <mfbot> [[xoxo-profile-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-profile-fr&diff=0&oldid=11712 * ChristopheDucamp * (-6)
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  253. [18:30:51] <mfbot> [[xoxo-brainstorming-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+3398) fr : translation draft to be reviewed
  254. [18:34:22] <mfbot> [[xoxo-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=11714 * ChristopheDucamp * (+145) Balisage Possible XOXO blogs+fils -
  255. [18:35:18] <mfbot> [[xoxo-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=11715 * ChristopheDucamp * (+12)
  256. [18:37:19] <mfbot> [[xoxo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-fr&diff=0&oldid=11716 * ChristopheDucamp * (+15) Références "Informative" - vote-links-fr
  257. [18:38:30] <mfbot> [[xoxo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-fr&diff=0&oldid=11717 * ChristopheDucamp * (+8) Q&R - [[xoxo-faq-fr|xoxo-faq]]
  258. [18:40:22] <mfbot> [[xoxo-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=11718 * ChristopheDucamp * (+41) class="xoxo" -
  259. [18:41:43] <mfbot> [[xoxo-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=11719 * ChristopheDucamp * (+39) propriétés et valeurs xoxo -
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  263. [18:47:55] <mfbot> [[xoxo-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=11721 * ChristopheDucamp * (-2) autre syntaxe dans xoxo -
  264. [18:54:36] <mfbot> [[xoxo-compact-sample-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-compact-sample-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+3791) draft translation to be reviewed and tested
  265. [18:55:37] <mfbot> [[xoxo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-fr&diff=0&oldid=11722 * ChristopheDucamp * (+4) Exemples "in the Wild" -
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  267. [19:00:44] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=11723 * Ronnos * (+51) Start a microformats wiki in another language -
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  279. [19:53:24] * kingryan is adding tags to the hcalendar creator
  280. [19:53:37] <kingryan> what's the simplest way to say "give me tags separated by commas"?
  281. [19:55:56] <JMulder> "Tag, tag, ..." ?
  282. [19:56:23] <JMulder> That's simple to the point of being silly.
  283. [19:58:15] <Ronnos> Seperate tags by commas?
  284. [19:58:41] <tantek> space separated is the more common UI
  285. [19:58:43] <kingryan> The best I have is "Tags (separated by commas):"
  286. [19:58:57] <tantek> didn't Flickr already set precedent here in terms of UI?
  287. [19:59:03] <tantek> let's reuse not reinvent
  288. [19:59:13] <kingryan> reusing is more work here
  289. [19:59:20] <Ronnos> lol
  290. [19:59:43] <tantek> isn't confusing users with a UI inconsistent from what they're used to wrose?
  291. [19:59:45] <tantek> worse even?
  292. [20:00:01] <kingryan> who says our users are used to flickr?
  293. [20:00:04] <tantek> delicious, upcoming, and technorati all also do space separated tag entry UI
  294. [20:00:07] <JMulder> Or just accept both? :\
  295. [20:00:12] <tantek> it's a convention
  296. [20:00:27] <Ronnos> erhm, not written down?
  297. [20:00:57] <tantek> well established across tagging sites' user interfaces
  298. [20:01:14] <JMulder> And a poor convention at that, I've always thought.
  299. [20:01:41] <Ronnos> i think it's better to use the forgiving format pattern
  300. [20:01:46] <tantek> JMulder - the popularity of tagging is pretty much due to the UI, thus I don't know what you mean by "poor"
  301. [20:02:18] <JMulder> I meant space seperated versus comma seperated. I've always felt space seperated was the poorer solution.
  302. [20:02:20] <tantek> the simple algorithm is - space separated tags, unless there are commas in the string, in which case the commas separate the tags.
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  304. [20:02:44] <kingryan> what about quotes?
  305. [20:02:47] <JMulder> Yeah, accepting both is easy.
  306. [20:03:01] <tantek> JMulder, and it's what Flickr and Technorati do for example
  307. [20:03:13] <kingryan> no, flickr accepts quotes, too
  308. [20:03:25] <Ronnos> hm
  309. [20:03:29] <tantek> that's not a contradiction kingryan, so "no" no ;)
  310. [20:04:02] <julianstahnke> what if someone wanted to enter a single tag 'a single tag'?
  311. [20:04:04] <tantek> quotes nullify the separator aspect of spaces or commas in between the quotes
  312. [20:04:08] <julianstahnke> there'd be no commas
  313. [20:04:14] <julianstahnke> and no quotes
  314. [20:04:15] <kingryan> no, there is a contradiction, because flickr's model is more complex than you've described
  315. [20:04:16] <JMulder> tantek, yes, but I favour better solutions over commonly used solutions.
  316. [20:04:22] <KevinMarks> Stewart said he wished he'd asked fro commas originally
  317. [20:04:47] <tantek> JMulder, my point is that space separated may be somewhat responsible for the growth of tags
  318. [20:04:51] <tantek> since it was a simpler UI
  319. [20:04:52] <KevinMarks> but accepting all variants is doable, as they are clearly distinguishable
  320. [20:04:52] <tantek> less typing
  321. [20:04:57] <tantek> less work = more users do it
  322. [20:05:01] <JMulder> I'm not entirely sure if I agree with that.
  323. [20:05:13] <JMulder> But it's hard to come up with an answer now anyway. :p
  324. [20:06:08] <monkinetic> KevinMarks: does technorati support votelinks, and if so, how?
  325. [20:06:15] <JMulder> Comma seperated mimick the way we speak and write sentences more closely. On top of that, if you wish to actually have a tag with a space in it, you do not need to first learn that you need to enclose it in quotes. I've always found it to be way more intuitive than space seperated.
  326. [20:06:19] <KevinMarks> we index them but don't surface them
  327. [20:06:31] <KevinMarks> which is a bit of a shame
  328. [20:06:34] <JMulder> It'd make for a hell of an interesting discussion though :)
  329. [20:06:39] <monkinetic> KevinMarks: it is a shame
  330. [20:06:57] <monkinetic> (esp with jeremy k. posting about them on 24ways yesterday)
  331. [20:07:28] <monkinetic> i'm trying to hack a version of wordpress to send a votelink as part of a trackback
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  334. [20:14:46] <tantek> JMulder, comma separated list of words is actually much less frequent (in terms of what we type) than a space separated set of words
  335. [20:15:27] <tantek> people have much more efficient cognitive/muscle memory for typing a space separated set of words (as we are doing in this very dialog)
  336. [20:15:31] <tantek> than commas
  337. [20:15:48] <kingryan> but tags are all single words
  338. [20:16:19] <tantek> the single wordization of tags has largely been learned
  339. [20:16:23] <kingryan> every time I have to type_a_phrase_like_so or "with quotes" I get annoyed
  340. [20:16:29] <kingryan> by whom?
  341. [20:16:35] <kingryan> you?
  342. [20:16:39] <kingryan> not me
  343. [20:16:41] <tantek> by the users of those sites
  344. [20:16:44] <kingryan> I get it wrong all the time
  345. [20:16:46] <tantek> if you look at their aggregate tags
  346. [20:17:07] <monkinetic> don't people tend to think of tags as lists of things, which area often written with commas
  347. [20:17:09] <monkinetic> ?
  348. [20:17:17] <monkinetic> (or is it just me?)
  349. [20:17:46] <Ronnos> hm, monkinetic has a point there
  350. [20:18:12] <tantek> the thinking is actually less important than the speed of expressability
  351. [20:18:22] <tantek> we're back to less work = more usage
  352. [20:18:23] <csarven> JMulder speaks of 'writing', tantek speaks of 'typing' =)
  353. [20:18:36] <JMulder> Indeed.
  354. [20:18:40] <KevinMarks> tags aren't all single words
  355. [20:18:43] <tantek> csarven, exactly. Web UIs are about *typing* behaviors
  356. [20:18:47] <tantek> not "writing" behaviors
  357. [20:19:03] <Ronnos> but the comma is one keypress, the " needs 2
  358. [20:19:07] <JMulder> That entirely depends on who you're dealing with.
  359. [20:19:12] <KevinMarks> even if tag services often fold them in
  360. [20:19:50] <KevinMarks> overall this is a silly argument; you can make your UI support the comma and quote variants easily enough
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  362. [20:20:11] <JMulder> Perhaps for us advanced users you're correct, but I would be surprised if space seperate proved to be a better solution than comma seperated for people unfamiliar with tags and the way to enter them.
  363. [20:20:14] <KevinMarks> and dealing with varying user behaviour is an important UI principle
  364. [20:20:48] <csarven> we can determine that to a certain extent that in writing we use commas. however, how can we determine whether, rather, we use commas or spaces for typing?
  365. [20:21:03] * kingryan only asked about how to explain his UI, not for ideas on changing it
  366. [20:21:17] <Ronnos> haha, kingryan
  367. [20:21:18] <Ronnos> :)
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  369. [20:21:48] <Ronnos> i think an example would do best?
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  372. [20:22:07] <Ronnos> you don't have unlimited space i see
  373. [20:22:10] <JMulder> csarven, I'd just make a simple connection to a user's mental model. Tags is a collection of tags, where most often a tag is a noun. In any other situation, I know I personally wouldn't write it space seperated. :p
  374. [20:22:18] <csarven> on a coversation 'onlin' while typing we certainly use commas
  375. [20:22:28] <JMulder> *-of tags
  376. [20:23:00] <JMulder> Is noun the proper english word? I always confuse it with adjective :|
  377. [20:23:15] <csarven> but if the information is to be stored im not sure what people use
  378. [20:24:38] <JMulder> It'd be an interesting experiment.
  379. [20:35:20] <tantek> JMulder, in practice, tags are both nouns and adjectives
  380. [20:36:35] <JMulder> True.
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