IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-01-18
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[[4d]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/4d * DimitriosZachariadis * (+11988)
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[[4d]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12605 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+13)
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[[4d]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12606 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+41)
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[[4d]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12607 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+0) Introduction -
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[[4d]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12608 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+14)
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[[4d]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12609 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+25)
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[[4d brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/4d_brainstorming * DimitriosZachariadis * (+103)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12610 * DimitriosZachariadis * (-12)
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[[4d]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12611 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+56)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12612 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+68)
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[[rel-tag-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12613 * PeterDaams * (+322) General Comments -
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[[rel-tag-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12614 * PeterDaams * (+56) General Comments -
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[[rel-tag-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12615 * PeterDaams * (+160) General Comments - added suggestion
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[[events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner&diff=0&oldid=12616 * Tantek * (+121) Nova as current candidate for dinner location
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12617 * ASwitzer * (+133) New Examples -
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12618 * DimitriosZachariadis * (-68)
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=12619 * AndyMabbett * (+51) Other high-profile IT sites - AtMedia2007
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=12620 * AndyMabbett * (+77) Other high-profile IT sites - AtMedia Requested
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[[rel-tag-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12621 * AndyMabbett * (+199) General Comments - rel not available for tags (+ fmt, amrk-up code)
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[[4d]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12622 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+4885)
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[[4d]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12623 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+2)
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[[4d]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12624 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+8)
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[[User talk:DimitriosZachariadis]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:DimitriosZachariadis * DimitriosZachariadis * (+66)
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[[User talk:DimitriosZachariadis]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:DimitriosZachariadis&diff=0&oldid=12625 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+87)
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[[events/2007-01-la-microformats-gettogether-planning]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-microformats-gettogether-planning&diff=0&oldid=12626 * JoshLucas * (+229) Los Angeles January 2007 Microformats Get Together Planning -
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[[4d]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12627 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+68)
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[[Template:hcard-related-pages]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcard-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=12628 * Tantek * (-51) removed unnecessary (and contradictory) instructions about hCard FAQ from the related pages template. such details should simply be inline on the specific pages.
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[[4d]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12629 * Tantek * (+302) 4d is not following process.
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Chewy" with an expiry time of infinite: vandalism, trolling
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:MrBlobles" with an expiry time of infinite: trolling, homophobic remarks
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12630 * Tantek * (+34) noted process inline under explorations
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- [19:03:58] <mkaply>
Where do I make suggestions about tests?
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- [19:06:19] <bewest>
mkaply: here or on the mailing list
- [19:06:21] <bewest>
mkaply: or on the wiki
- [19:06:28] <bewest>
mkaply: so pretty much anywhere
- [19:06:42] <bewest>
there has been a lot of activity re: tests on the mailing list
- [19:06:46] <mkaply>
OK. I wish the VCFs were in a PRE tag on the html so I wouldn't have to bring up two things
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- [19:19:20] <kingryan>
mkaply: really? what's wrong with two separate files?
- [19:22:59] <mkaply>
kingryan: Most testcases I have seen have the test and what the results of the test should be on the same page/file
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- [19:23:56] <mkaply>
It was difficult for me to use the tests because I had to open the HTML, export the VCF, then go back to the list, then open the VCF
- [19:24:09] <mkaply>
Even a link to the VCF on the test would have been better
- [19:24:20] <kingryan>
ok, that's reasonable
- [19:24:51] <kingryan>
<link rel="alternate" type="text/directory" href="..." /> ?
- [19:24:57] <mkaply>
there just needs to be more meat around them as well. The title of the file is the only indication of what is being tested
- [19:25:00] <kingryan>
or event <a>
- [19:25:09] <kingryan>
even*
- [19:27:58] <bewest>
mkaply: good point
- [19:28:20] <bewest>
kingryan: is there something going on tonight?
- [19:28:41] <kingryan>
bewest: I honestly don't know
- [19:28:45] <kingryan>
tantek was doing all the planning
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- [19:29:28] <bewest>
thanks
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- [19:32:06] <kingryan>
looks like tantek's in a meeting, I'll talk to him when he gets out
- [19:32:41] <bewest>
ok
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- [19:34:28] <mkaply>
is there a technical name for closoing a tag as <foo/> vs <foo></foo>
- [19:35:07] <bewest>
that's an empty tag
- [19:36:39] <mkaply>
sorry, I mean <a href="foo"></a> vs. <a href="foo"/> This testcase covers both and I'm not sure how to differentiate them in a description
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- [19:38:13] <bewest>
right
- [19:38:16] <bewest>
the latter is an empty tag
- [19:38:25] <mkaply>
ok. Got it :)
- [19:40:23] <mkaply>
intersting. <a href="#email2"/> on Firefox doesn't close the anchor tag. I guess that's a bug
- [19:40:49] <othermaciej>
mkaply: in HTML or XHTML?
- [19:40:55] <mkaply>
HTML
- [19:41:07] <bewest>
that's because it's not valid html
- [19:41:14] <othermaciej>
then it shouldn't close the a tag
- [19:41:32] <bewest>
that's one of the differences between HTML and XHTML
- [19:42:47] <mkaply>
actually, it's not closing them in standards mode either.
- [19:43:41] <gsnedders>
it's irrelevent whether it's in standards mode
- [19:43:44] <monkinetic>
mkaply: it's not standards mode, it's the doctype
- [19:43:51] <gsnedders>
no, the MIME type
- [19:43:51] <monkinetic>
HTML 4.x or XHTML 1.x
- [19:44:00] <monkinetic>
oh right
- [19:44:09] <gsnedders>
monkinetic: even if it's served as text/html, but with an XHTML doctype, it's parsed as HTML
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gsnedders: yeah, i need to brush up on my mime/doctypes
- [19:45:34] <gsnedders>
with any non-validating parser, the doctype doesn't mean that much
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- [19:47:59] <mkaply>
http://www.kaply.com/operator/microformats/31-include.html
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- [19:48:56] <kingryan>
monkinetic: use LOGO
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[[4d brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d_brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=0 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+103) 4d brainstorming moved to invalidated
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<img class="logo" src="..." />
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[[invalidated]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=invalidated&diff=0&oldid=12631 * DimitriosZachariadis * (-103)
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[[events/2007-01-la-microformats-gettogether-planning]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-microformats-gettogether-planning&diff=0&oldid=12632 * Tantek * (+30)
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[[events/2007-01-la-microformats-gettogether-planning]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-microformats-gettogether-planning&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+889) events/2007-01-la-microformats-gettogether-planning moved to events/2007-01-la-get-together
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[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12633 * Tantek * (+1) moved to shortened the URL for less wrapping in email
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[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12634 * Tantek * (+129) would be nice to have food, conversation, wifi
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=12635 * Tantek * (-21)
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[[events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner&diff=0&oldid=12636 * Kevin Marks * (+33) San Francisco January 2007 Microformats Dinner -
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[[4d]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=12637 * DimitriosZachariadis * (-3235)
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[[4d]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=4d&diff=0&oldid=0 * DimitriosZachariadis * (+14167) 4d moved to A proposal for amendment of the geo microformat
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=12638 * AndyMabbett * (+110) Other hReview - two techie review sites
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=12639 * AndyMabbett * (+146) Other hReview -
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kingryan: is tantek around?
- [21:47:11] <bewest>
oh
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[[events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner&diff=0&oldid=12640 * BenWest * (+27) San Francisco January 2007 Microformats Dinner -
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[[events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner&diff=0&oldid=12641 * BenWest * (+31) San Francisco January 2007 Microformats Dinner -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12642 * FredericLepied * (+86) Examples -
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=12643 * AndyMabbett * (+132) Other hReview - The Birder's Library - under development
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12644 * FredericLepied * (-86) Examples -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12645 * FredericLepied * (+86) New Examples -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12646 * FredericLepied * (+1) New Examples -
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[[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=12647 * AndyMabbett * (+62) Other hReview - link
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12648 * AndyMabbett * (+55) Great Places To Golf = invalid (no fn)
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[[User talk:FredericLepied]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:FredericLepied * AndyMabbett * (+227) Welcome
- [22:15:44] <bewest>
I wonder why Andy left that comment in that place
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[[User talk:FredericLepied]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:FredericLepied&diff=0&oldid=12649 * AndyMabbett * (+107) advice
- [22:27:12] <KevinMarks>
http://webkit.org/blog/?p=89 - interesting comments on w3c process
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- [22:37:31] <bewest>
KevinMarks: yes
- [22:37:41] <bewest>
this one is kind of interesting to me: "We request that the charter call for a formal relationship with Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group (WHATWG), even though the group itself is informal."
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[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12650 * Mike * (+31) add self
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- [23:31:08] <tantek>
greetings
- [23:33:55] <KevinMarks>
tantek, did you see http://webkit.org/blog/?p=89 - interesting comments on w3c process
- [23:37:38] <monkinetic>
greetings
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- [23:45:56] <monkinetic>
tantek: you're on Colloquy?
- [23:46:26] <tantek>
yes
- [23:46:29] <monkinetic>
have you found a way to turn off the "are you sure you want to quit" message?
- [23:46:39] <tantek>
haven't looked ;)
- [23:46:45] <monkinetic>
ah
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