IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-07

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  15. [01:03:17] <mfbot> [[twitter-syntax]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=twitter-syntax&diff=0&oldid=13350 * Chris Messina * (+95) added whois command
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  18. [01:03:53] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  22. [01:17:08] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13352 * ManuSporny * (+7961) Added links to 72 music services to the examples section
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  26. [01:19:13] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  30. [01:20:57] <TylerR> Hey there tantek, how is WDN coming along?
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  35. [01:23:58] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13353 * ManuSporny * (+402) Notes on Existing Practices -
  36. [01:26:04] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13354 * ManuSporny * (+35) Contributors -
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  38. [01:28:15] <mfbot> [[User:ManuSporny]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ManuSporny * ManuSporny * (+315)
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  43. [01:54:44] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13355 * ManuSporny * (+713) Service Publishing of Music -
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  48. [02:11:46] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  63. [03:22:42] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  64. [03:24:34] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13358 * ManuSporny * (+22) Contributors -
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  72. [03:56:54] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13360 * ManuSporny * (+1734) Service Publishing of Music -
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  82. [05:33:20] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  83. [05:36:08] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13363 * ManuSporny * (+442) Notes on Existing Practices -
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  96. [07:50:33] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  97. [07:53:37] <TylerR> Evening tantek.
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  99. [07:59:36] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  101. [08:06:20] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  109. [08:55:25] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  111. [09:02:16] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  113. [09:04:32] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  124. [10:01:56] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  128. [10:53:27] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  152. [13:38:42] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  157. [13:44:53] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  163. [14:11:54] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  165. [14:15:40] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
  166. [14:21:59] <JamieKnight> hiya briansuda
  167. [14:22:06] <briansuda> hello
  168. [14:22:12] <JamieKnight> I got my code working, i rewrote it with hKit,
  169. [14:22:39] <JamieKnight> still VERY beta, but it works, i need to do some more work on adress, and ad phone number support,
  170. [14:24:03] <JamieKnight> grab the bookkmarklet from www.jkg3.com/stuff
  171. [14:26:07] <briansuda> very cool, i'll have to try it
  172. [14:26:15] <briansuda> you should add it to the wiki
  173. [14:26:19] <JamieKnight> it works okay,
  174. [14:26:28] <JamieKnight> hmmm, i dont think it is far enough yet,
  175. [14:26:46] <JamieKnight> it wont work quite often, and you still need to upload the CSV to gmail.
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  179. [14:31:01] <JamieKnight> briansuda: how would i add it to the wiki
  180. [14:31:21] <briansuda> you have to have an account
  181. [14:31:26] <briansuda> and then just edit the page
  182. [14:31:30] <briansuda> wiki/bookmarklets
  183. [14:31:38] <JamieKnight> okay,
  184. [14:31:40] <briansuda> http://microformats.org/wiki/bookmarklets
  185. [14:31:52] <JamieKnight> should i do somthing to help get development on the go?
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  187. [14:33:50] <briansuda> you can email the list about it and ask for suggestions, etc.
  188. [14:33:56] <briansuda> are you a member of the dev list?'
  189. [14:34:05] <JamieKnight> yes,
  190. [14:34:29] <JamieKnight> i might do, soon.
  191. [14:35:15] <JamieKnight> do i add to top or bottom of page?
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  193. [14:36:35] <briansuda> add it where you want, are they alphabetcial?
  194. [14:36:49] <JamieKnight> yeah,
  195. [14:37:01] <JamieKnight> i will add it to the top as g is > l
  196. [14:38:58] <mfbot> [[bookmarklets]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=bookmarklets&diff=0&oldid=13367 * JamieKnight * (+98)
  197. [14:41:27] <JamieKnight> just writing a better article to go with the bookmarklet
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  200. [14:51:38] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  214. [15:18:09] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
  215. [15:20:50] <JamieKnight> hiya mkaply
  216. [15:21:46] <mkaply> JamieKnight: hey
  217. [15:21:59] <JamieKnight> how be you mkaply
  218. [15:22:11] <mkaply> excellent. I love rewriting my code for the umpteenth time.
  219. [15:22:15] <mkaply> "This will be the last time, really"
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  222. [15:22:26] <JamieKnight> hehe
  223. [15:22:32] <JamieKnight> yeah, i know that feeling,
  224. [15:22:51] <JamieKnight> hiya tantek
  225. [15:23:07] <jibot> WizCraker is Caxi@Eitrigg, WoW, US, Alliance and Dustin D'Amour
  226. [15:23:32] <JamieKnight> how do you get onto jibot
  227. [15:24:47] <mkaply> jibot: help
  228. [15:24:57] * mkaply doesn't remember how he did it
  229. [15:25:01] <JamieKnight> thanks,
  230. [15:25:10] <JamieKnight> jibot: help
  231. [15:25:55] <JamieKnight> found some info on the wiki
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  233. [15:26:03] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  234. [15:26:05] <mkaply> JamieKnightO was just about to poitn you there
  235. [15:26:21] <JamieKnight> thanks,
  236. [15:27:20] <JamieKnight> ?def JamieKnight, is a web developer based in the UK, keep his blog at http://jkg3.com
  237. [15:27:21] <jibot> JamieKnight, is a web developer based in the UK, keep his blog at http://jkg3.com
  238. [15:27:38] <JamieKnight> ?def JamieKnight, is a web developer based in the UK, keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
  239. [15:27:39] <jibot> JamieKnight, is a web developer based in the UK, keep his blog at http://jkg3.com and a web developer based in the UK, keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
  240. [15:28:47] <JamieKnight> ?forgetme
  241. [15:28:48] <jibot> I have expunged JamieKnight from my mind
  242. [15:28:56] <JamieKnight> ?def JamieKnight, is a web developer based in the UK, keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
  243. [15:28:56] <jibot> JamieKnight, is a web developer based in the UK, keep his blog at http://jkg3.com and a web developer based in the UK, keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com and a web developer based in the UK, keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
  244. [15:29:11] <JamieKnight> ?forgetme
  245. [15:29:12] <jibot> I have expunged JamieKnight from my mind
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  247. [15:30:23] <JamieKnight> ?def JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
  248. [15:30:23] <jibot> JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
  249. [15:30:36] <JamieKnight> hiya tantek
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  259. [15:46:11] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  264. [15:51:30] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  267. [15:54:13] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  268. [15:54:21] <JamieKnight> hiya danja
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  271. [15:55:13] <danja> hi JamieKnight
  272. [15:55:21] <JamieKnight> how be you?
  273. [15:55:55] <danja> pretty good, in need of coffee (got a telecon in 5mins)
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  275. [15:56:02] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
  276. [15:56:07] <JamieKnight> kewl,
  277. [15:56:39] <JamieKnight> i am not a fan of hot drinks, i assume you are?
  278. [16:01:16] <danja> yup - coffee anyhow
  279. [16:01:56] <JamieKnight> i find myself getting frustrated with hot drink, prefer leaning into my frisge and a nice glass of orange juice.
  280. [16:02:05] * JamieKnight is professionaly lazy
  281. [16:03:41] <mfbot> [[bookmarklets]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=bookmarklets&diff=0&oldid=13368 * JamieKnight * (+1)
  282. [16:17:14] <mkaply> dumb philosophical question. is hCalendar the "name" of the microformat or the "type" of the microformat? Or some other word that better describes what it is?
  283. [16:19:06] <briansuda> mkaply, what do you mean?
  284. [16:20:26] <mkaply> briansuda: I'm way too much of a perfectionist when it comes to naming variables. So I was trying to think of the "right" term. If somone passes a list that contains "hCard, hCalendar, geo" have they passed me a list of microformat names or microformat types?
  285. [16:20:32] <mkaply> I know I think about this stuff WAY too hard.
  286. [16:21:00] <mkaply> That's why it takes me so long to write code :)
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  288. [16:21:45] <briansuda> hm...
  289. [16:21:51] <briansuda> i would say name
  290. [16:21:57] <briansuda> the TYPE of GEO is KML, RSS
  291. [16:22:00] <briansuda> JSON, etc
  292. [16:22:35] <mkaply> I'm also naming public functions so I want them to be named "correct" - like getMicroformatNameFromElement
  293. [16:23:02] <mkaply> actually getMicroformatNameFromNode
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  295. [16:27:32] <JamieKnight> structure?
  296. [16:27:41] <JamieKnight> is a microformat a structure?
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  302. [16:55:57] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  305. [17:03:37] <mkaply> briansuda: I'm assuming the vcard RFC allows for telephone numbers with no types
  306. [17:03:48] <briansuda> sure
  307. [17:03:50] <briansuda> and ADR
  308. [17:03:50] <mkaply> briansuda: it appears that outlook 2003 doesn't like that
  309. [17:04:01] <mkaply> it ignores those numbers
  310. [17:04:01] <briansuda> the default is VOICE
  311. [17:04:21] * mkaply is discovering that Outlook 2003 sucks at vcards
  312. [17:04:38] <briansuda> :)
  313. [17:04:50] <mkaply> briansuda: is there any reason to try to be clever and say if fn=org, and there is one number, set the type to work or anything like that?
  314. [17:04:55] <briansuda> it also has problems with URLs without TYPES and types are not part of URL
  315. [17:05:31] <briansuda> well, the default is VOICE so we can always put that in if need be
  316. [17:05:43] <briansuda> or with VISTA, will Outlook 2003 be history?
  317. [17:06:10] <mkaply> briansuda: I hope so. I should probably just give up on outlook 2003 and install XP. I was using 2003 because some people had specific complaints
  318. [17:06:24] <mkaply> I was thinking about having Export->Correct, Export->Outlook 2003
  319. [17:06:31] <briansuda> you should also add that to the issues pages
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  321. [17:06:35] <mkaply> But I think I would be catering to MS mistakes WAY too much :)
  322. [17:06:46] <JamieKnight> is outlook XP any better?
  323. [17:07:10] <mkaply> JamieKnight: not sure. I'm going to install it today. I was hoping to try to have both on the same machine, but Microsoft apps usually don't allow that.
  324. [17:07:25] <mkaply> Of course Lotus Notes doesn't even take a VCF on the command line, so it's the worst of all.
  325. [17:07:27] <JamieKnight> VMware?
  326. [17:07:33] <mkaply> You have to explicitly import it from the address book
  327. [17:07:53] <JamieKnight> i think that you can have more than 1 card in a vcf,
  328. [17:08:09] <JamieKnight> so, how about producing two card inside the one file, one with the stuff for outlook one without?
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  330. [17:08:31] <JamieKnight> its a kludge though,
  331. [17:08:39] <mkaply> big time kludge :)
  332. [17:08:49] <JamieKnight> hmm,
  333. [17:09:00] <JamieKnight> is it possible to detect outlook?
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  335. [17:09:58] <mkaply> Not at that point. I give it to the operating system. The user can choose whatever they want
  336. [17:10:17] <JamieKnight> is it possible to use the same feature that auto open e-mail adresses in outlook to know that they have outlook set as thier defalt mail app,
  337. [17:10:35] <mkaply> More trouble than it is worth :)
  338. [17:10:36] <JamieKnight> IE: when i click on a mail to, it opens in outlook, maybe there is a way to test that action,
  339. [17:10:43] <JamieKnight> yeah, i agree,
  340. [17:10:44] <mkaply> I'll go the brian suda way - output to the RFC.
  341. [17:10:48] <JamieKnight> an idea.......
  342. [17:10:56] <JamieKnight> RFC>?
  343. [17:11:03] * TylerR waves.
  344. [17:11:16] <mkaply> output to the spec.
  345. [17:11:22] <JamieKnight> ah, okay,
  346. [17:11:28] <JamieKnight> Request for comments?
  347. [17:11:43] * mkaply didn't realize there was an office 2007
  348. [17:12:07] <JamieKnight> it the new office with the strange ribbon thing,
  349. [17:12:31] <JamieKnight> gah, i think i need to restart, be back shortly.
  350. [17:12:47] <mkaply> man they have way to many freaking versions of their software
  351. [17:13:15] <JamieKnight> they have been going for 20 odd years minf,
  352. [17:13:26] <JamieKnight> be a bit scary of they only got to version 2 in that time....
  353. [17:13:39] <JamieKnight> they could do with some simplication though,
  354. [17:13:46] <JamieKnight> anayway, brb
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  363. [17:26:20] <jibot> JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
  364. [17:26:33] <JamieKnight> hiya,
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  368. [17:32:29] <jibot> SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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  374. [17:48:13] <danja> tantek, you around?
  375. [17:48:52] <danja> tantek_ even
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  379. [17:50:58] <danja> tantek, got any suggestions for how to move the profile-uris deployment on?
  380. [17:51:20] <tantek> a bit busy now - let's talk in a couple of days
  381. [17:51:25] <danja> ok, sure
  382. [17:52:12] <danja> fwiw, I don't personally care where the profiles end up, just as long as the uris are stable
  383. [17:53:08] <TylerR> How's WDN going tantek?
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  386. [17:53:33] <jibot> bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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  392. [18:15:39] <JamieKnight> its gone quiet again,
  393. [18:19:21] <TylerR> Ah well, I'm guessing everyone have their work to get to. :)
  394. [18:21:48] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=13369 * WizardIsHungry * (+266) Objects and Browser Behavior -
  395. [18:22:24] <JamieKnight> must be,
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  401. [18:28:58] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  415. [19:40:16] <mkaply> bewest: ping
  416. [19:40:20] <bewest> pong
  417. [19:40:35] <bewest> mkaply: how can I help?
  418. [19:41:11] <mkaply> bewest: I was thinking about your JSON stuff and I was wondering if you had given any thought to how you would define something like hReview where the item can be either an hCard, hCalendar, or just an fn with text
  419. [19:42:30] <bewest> hmmmm
  420. [19:42:40] <bewest> the answer is no, I have not
  421. [19:42:46] <bewest> and am attempting to think about it now
  422. [19:43:22] <bewest> my initial guess is that you could include them my reference
  423. [19:43:30] <bewest> or verbosely, and that type would be "root"
  424. [19:44:16] <bewest> mkaply: it's a good question. I suggest you write to the -dev list and try to highlight the question
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  426. [19:47:19] <mkaply> are there other people actively thinking about the JSON idea besides you?
  427. [19:48:09] <bewest> yes
  428. [19:48:20] <bewest> I know Ryan King was thinking about it
  429. [19:48:26] <bewest> for testing purposes
  430. [19:48:33] <bewest> and there may be others
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  434. [19:49:06] <bewest> and I haven't been thinking about it a whole lot lately
  435. [19:49:13] <bewest> so getting input from others would be great
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  439. [19:59:50] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  440. [20:00:59] <kingryan> hey everyone
  441. [20:01:16] * kingryan is frustrated by "authoritative hcards" discussion on uf-discuss
  442. [20:02:17] <TylerR> Huh, I really do need to get subscribed to that.
  443. [20:05:42] <badd> virb
  444. [20:07:13] <badd> never mind..;)
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  449. [20:23:52] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues&diff=0&oldid=13370 * JamesCraig * (-1) Are tags case sensitive? - changed . to ?
  450. [20:25:22] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13371 * MikeNZGovt * (+426) ISO/DIS 6709 -
  451. [20:26:36] <bewest> kingryan: I don't want to continue bloating that thread on the list...
  452. [20:26:37] <bewest> however...
  453. [20:26:46] <bewest> As I'm sure you know, the scope of XFN is URLs, not parts of pages.
  454. [20:26:47] <bewest> To change this would be non-trivial and is not likely to happen.
  455. [20:26:47] <bewest> Plus, there are much simpler ways to solve this problem.
  456. [20:27:26] <bewest> this actually stems from the rel-tag spec
  457. [20:27:32] <kingryan> yeah?
  458. [20:27:32] <bewest> which supports your claim
  459. [20:27:52] <bewest> but contradicts other specs
  460. [20:27:57] <bewest> such as hcard and hcalendar
  461. [20:27:59] <kingryan> right, but xfn and rel-tag are unrelated
  462. [20:28:01] <jibot> WizCraker is Caxi@Eitrigg, WoW, US, Alliance and Dustin D'Amour
  463. [20:28:06] <mkaply> Is there a specific page for vCard Implementations? Like http://microformats.org/wiki/icalendar-implementations
  464. [20:28:47] <kingryan> did you try http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations ?
  465. [20:29:04] <mkaply> kingryan: No, I searched for vcard implementations and didn't find it. Duh :)
  466. [20:29:13] <kingryan> that's how I just found it
  467. [20:29:30] <mkaply> kingryan: That was very logical. Probably should have tried that first :)
  468. [20:29:49] * kingryan thinks we need better search for the website
  469. [20:30:09] <bewest> kingryan: isn't it relatively trivial to add a google search for any site?
  470. [20:30:11] <TylerR> kingryan: Have you looked into Rollyo?
  471. [20:30:19] <TylerR> http://www.rollyo.com/
  472. [20:30:23] * kingryan writes search engines for a living
  473. [20:30:26] * bear is now known as bear_afk
  474. [20:30:30] <bewest> ;-)
  475. [20:30:33] <monkinetic> i was just told that uf root classnames are valid as substrings of other classnames... i.e., if a classname has "vcard" as a substring ("revcard"?) it is to be considered a valid hcard root element. this seems... bizarre. can someone confirm or disconfirm this?
  476. [20:30:42] <kingryan> no, no no
  477. [20:30:55] <kingryan> that's so wrong it hurts
  478. [20:31:02] <monkinetic> oh, god, good.
  479. [20:31:03] <TylerR> Doh... well there goes my suggestion kingryan. ;)
  480. [20:31:06] <bewest> monkinetic: that is a common problem with naive implementations of hcard parsers
  481. [20:31:15] <kingryan> that's actually a common error with using xpath to find class names
  482. [20:31:22] <bewest> monkinetic: it's likely that you heard that in the context of using xpath
  483. [20:31:55] <monkinetic> ok, ok. i could not believe it myself.
  484. [20:32:09] <kingryan> so anyway, bewest, I'm writing email now to propose a simpler hcard thingy
  485. [20:32:30] <bewest> kingryan: yes, I think part of the problem is the group is focused around creating new formats instead of documenting techniques
  486. [20:32:41] <kingryan> yes
  487. [20:32:48] <bewest> so of course when newcomers arrive, the first thing they do is propose something new
  488. [20:32:53] <kingryan> we need to better document our experiments
  489. [20:33:06] <kingryan> we also need to add tantek's new requirement to the process
  490. [20:33:18] <bewest> I outlined this in an admin thread, however no one responded; probably too busy
  491. [20:33:30] <kingryan> yeah, too busy
  492. [20:33:37] <kingryan> anyway, lunchtime, bbiab
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  494. [20:37:23] <DerrickPallas> What are the new requirements?
  495. [20:41:57] <mfbot> [[icalendar-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icalendar-implementations&diff=0&oldid=13372 * MikeKaply * (-402) iCalendar implementations -
  496. [20:56:51] <mfbot> [[vcard-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-implementations&diff=0&oldid=13373 * MikeKaply * (+331) Microsoft Outlook -
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  500. [21:04:25] <jibot> amanuel is Amanuel, the social ambassador at http://otavo.com
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  504. [21:18:05] * mkaply wondered why CATEGORIES became category in the hCard spec
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  508. [21:25:10] <jibot> markp is Mark Pilgrim
  509. [21:26:12] <kingryan> mkaply: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Plural_Properties_Singularized
  510. [21:26:48] <mkaply> kingryan: The wiki knows all
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  514. [21:28:34] <kingryan> well, not all, but more that most of us
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  521. [21:51:09] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=13375 * EdwardOConnor * (+8) Examples in the Wild - s/EVDB/Eventful/
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  527. [22:06:25] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  529. [22:10:50] <kingryan> new new mailing list: http://microformats.org/discuss/#new
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  532. [22:15:46] <hober> That reminds me, is there any reason why µf-dev isn't on gmane?
  533. [22:16:06] <kingryan> hober: no idea. dunno who set that up
  534. [22:16:21] <hober> IIRC I had tried to add it when it was a closed list, which didn't work -- now that it's open is there any reason for me not to submit it?
  535. [22:16:32] <kingryan> not that I can think of
  536. [22:16:46] <hober> ok; will do
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  538. [22:20:25] <hober> done
  539. [22:20:49] <hober> subscription requests usually get taken care of within 48 hours or so
  540. [22:20:53] <hober> If anyone has an mbox archive of µf-dev, past discussions could be imported into gmane like so: http://gmane.org/import.php
  541. [22:22:58] <hober> I'll add -new too
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  544. [22:31:01] <kingryan> I think there's mbox archives in the web archives
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  546. [22:37:38] <jibot> JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
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  548. [22:38:01] <JamieKnight> hiya
  549. [22:38:26] <kingryan> hi JamieKnight
  550. [22:38:35] <JamieKnight> hiya ryan,
  551. [22:38:39] <JamieKnight> how are you?@
  552. [22:38:43] <kingryan> good
  553. [22:38:46] <kingryan> you?
  554. [22:39:11] <JamieKnight> i am okay,
  555. [22:39:21] <JamieKnight> I have just finsihed a new design for my site which i like,
  556. [22:43:15] * amanuel (n=amanuel@d150-235-146.home.cgocable.net) Quit ()
  557. [22:43:56] * TylerR mutters about having horrible name branding luck.
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  559. [22:44:02] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  560. [22:44:25] * JamieKnight give TylerR some luck, and unbad
  561. [22:45:45] <TylerR> Hah thanks JamieKnight.
  562. [22:45:57] <JamieKnight> your welcome
  563. [22:51:31] * jcw9 (n=jonathan@WILLIAMSJ01.ADMIN.ED.NYU.EDU) has joined #microformats
  564. [22:51:32] <jibot> jcw9 is Jon Williams and can be found online at http://wizardishungry.com/blog/
  565. [22:52:05] <JamieKnight> hiya jcw9
  566. [22:52:17] <jcw9> Hello. :D
  567. [22:52:30] <JamieKnight> how be you?
  568. [22:53:00] <jcw9> i am feeling sick
  569. [22:53:35] <JamieKnight> thats not, good,
  570. [22:53:40] <JamieKnight> do you know why?
  571. [22:55:08] <jcw9> Just a cold; nyc is miserable this time of year
  572. [22:55:21] <JamieKnight> ah, you are in New York?
  573. [22:55:28] <jcw9> yepppppp
  574. [22:55:37] <JamieKnight> I would love to go and visit New York, i am in somerset, UK
  575. [22:57:05] <jcw9> Oh, one branch of my family is from Castle Cary
  576. [22:57:26] <jcw9> at some point or another
  577. [22:57:27] <JamieKnight> awesome,
  578. [22:57:31] <JamieKnight> small world,
  579. [22:57:46] <JamieKnight> I use to live in cary, i am in Taunton atm,
  580. [22:59:17] <jcw9> ha
  581. [22:59:40] <jcw9> Its very weird because all these places have american versions where i grew up
  582. [23:00:16] <JamieKnight> kewl,
  583. [23:00:21] <JamieKnight> must be very strange,
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  586. [23:00:38] <jcw9> I've only really visited Norwich though
  587. [23:00:46] <jcw9> I had a friend at UEA
  588. [23:01:30] <JamieKnight> sounds kewl,
  589. [23:01:36] <JamieKnight> i have never been to the US,
  590. [23:01:45] <JamieKnight> a few things getting in the way, but i hope to someday,
  591. [23:01:59] <JamieKnight> i am intrested in going to SXSW but i need to wait till i am older,
  592. [23:02:56] <jcw9> How old are you?
  593. [23:03:09] <JamieKnight> i am 17,
  594. [23:03:14] <jcw9> We were joking at work about going to the web track there on work budget
  595. [23:03:25] <JamieKnight> sounds good,
  596. [23:03:30] <JamieKnight> my boss goes each year,
  597. [23:03:48] <JamieKnight> i supose one day i might go with him, depends on wher ei living ect.
  598. [23:04:09] <jcw9> I've never been
  599. [23:04:19] <bewest> http://bewest.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/microformats-new-mailing-list/
  600. [23:04:44] <bewest> I think wordpress made the font smaller on me
  601. [23:04:57] <JamieKnight> hiya bewesy
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  603. [23:05:54] <bewest> hi :-)
  604. [23:06:02] <JamieKnight> got to love firefox Ctrl +
  605. [23:06:13] <bewest> true
  606. [23:06:19] <bewest> but I shouldn't have to
  607. [23:06:23] <bewest> and most users won't know how
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  609. [23:06:33] <JamieKnight> true,
  610. [23:06:34] <mkaply> Is there a general opinion on whether ISO dates should have dashes and colons - I know the spec supports either, but is there a "preferred" way?
  611. [23:06:38] <bewest> most adults will have trouble reading that
  612. [23:06:43] <JamieKnight> yeah,
  613. [23:06:50] <JamieKnight> i had trouble, but thats my display,
  614. [23:07:03] <kingryan> mkaply: I prefer to have the punctuation
  615. [23:07:08] <JamieKnight> (dell inspiron 9100 at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4" display)
  616. [23:07:46] <jcw9> mkaply, I always see dashes delimiting yyyy-mm-dd
  617. [23:07:58] <mkaply> kingryan: I know that webservices I found want them removed (yahoo and google), so I was trying to figure out if I should store with punctuation and remove when those services are called or remove them in the code that sends it to the service
  618. [23:08:13] <mkaply> So then should I punctuation if they aren't present? :)
  619. [23:08:42] <jcw9> I find it a bit of a pita to human-read date strings without it
  620. [23:08:45] <mkaply> eventful for example doesn't use punctuation.
  621. [23:08:48] <jcw9> esp if concatted with time
  622. [23:09:05] <JamieKnight> i find dashs easier, but, i supose it doesent depends on each person
  623. [23:09:20] * mkaply guesses it's not as hard to add the punctuation as I thought in cases where it isn't there.
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  625. [23:09:48] <JamieKnight> would be simple, yeah, and i supose it make it more human readable, so i supose it is a good idea,
  626. [23:10:19] <jcw9> mkaply, have you seen people doing week-number date formats anywhere? I just saw that on an iso 8601 info page
  627. [23:10:54] <jcw9> And putting delimiters in lets me crap together some perl to rip it apart again much faster
  628. [23:11:09] <mkaply> jcw9: bleah. No I haven't seen that. Interesting
  629. [23:11:10] <jcw9> Although everyone should just use strtotime or something
  630. [23:11:25] <jcw9> I doubt its in the wild!
  631. [23:11:26] <mkaply> I guess to avoid that "months are in a different place in different countries" thing
  632. [23:11:26] <jcw9> 1997-W01-2 or 1997W012
  633. [23:11:30] <JamieKnight> jcw9: week number is quite a simple date caculation, so why put it into the data?
  634. [23:11:46] <jcw9> god knows
  635. [23:12:15] <jcw9> mkaply, do you know John Resig?
  636. [23:12:47] <mkaply> jcw9: he said I did :)
  637. [23:12:56] <jcw9> ha!
  638. [23:13:11] <mkaply> Seriously, I don't know him personally, but we chatted about Operator when it came out
  639. [23:13:15] <JamieKnight> i would think that it would not be a good idea to keep the calender date/month ect, apart fomr the basic data,
  640. [23:13:21] <jcw9> I dated his girlfriend/fiance in college (small world!) and noticed he said something about you somewhere
  641. [23:13:32] <JamieKnight> but that is one of the arguments for timestamps,
  642. [23:13:44] <mkaply> Everyone at work joked about that post because it sounded like we were best buds
  643. [23:13:48] <mfbot> [[journal-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/journal-brainstorming * HOWCOME * (+484) started page on journal publishing
  644. [23:14:12] <JamieKnight> mkaply: where do you work?
  645. [23:14:17] <JamieKnight> Ex IBM?
  646. [23:14:30] <mkaply> current IBM
  647. [23:14:38] <JamieKnight> kewl, what are you doing with them?
  648. [23:14:46] <JamieKnight> any intresting products,
  649. [23:14:59] <mkaply> I'm the Firefox lead for IBM.
  650. [23:15:03] <mfbot> [[journal-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=journal-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13376 * HOWCOME * (+42) Background -
  651. [23:15:06] <mkaply> I own all of our Firefox work and advocacy
  652. [23:15:20] <JamieKnight> sounds kewl,
  653. [23:16:07] <JamieKnight> I work with a local company, i do a bit of evrything, from microformats to design and learning softwre,
  654. [23:16:27] <JamieKnight> i enjoy it alot, and am lucky i have an understanding boss (i have autism)
  655. [23:16:33] <jcw9> aspie?
  656. [23:16:39] <mfbot> [[journal-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=journal-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13377 * HOWCOME * (+20) Background -
  657. [23:16:49] <JamieKnight> yeah,
  658. [23:16:52] <JamieKnight> well, HFA
  659. [23:16:54] <jcw9> yea
  660. [23:16:55] <mfbot> [[journal-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=journal-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13378 * HOWCOME * (+2) Background -
  661. [23:17:01] <jcw9> its very common in technical fields
  662. [23:17:05] <JamieKnight> yeah,
  663. [23:17:08] <jcw9> probably quite a few people undiagnosed
  664. [23:17:14] <JamieKnight> definitly,
  665. [23:17:31] <JamieKnight> i have a few "bits" that make things difficult,
  666. [23:18:09] <JamieKnight> I am lucky that i have a very understanding boss,
  667. [23:18:26] <mfbot> [[journal-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/journal-formats * HOWCOME * (+176) created page on journal formats
  668. [23:19:15] <JamieKnight> jcw9: do you have any aspies working with you?
  669. [23:20:17] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=13379 * Tantek * (+63) adjusted WDN microformats entry for latest rescheduling.
  670. [23:20:31] <jcw9> No, I'm actually the only person from a traditional technical background. My boss and our graphic designer were drama majors
  671. [23:20:58] <mfbot> [[journal-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=journal-formats&diff=0&oldid=13380 * HOWCOME * (+80) added list of formats
  672. [23:21:01] <JamieKnight> thats intresting,
  673. [23:22:06] <jcw9> And I'm in the school of "Culture, Education and Human Development" at NYU so its a pretty unusual job
  674. [23:22:18] <JamieKnight> sounds intresting,
  675. [23:22:19] <mfbot> [[journal-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=journal-formats&diff=0&oldid=13381 * HOWCOME * (+56) added link to NLM
  676. [23:22:42] <JamieKnight> i am not in education at the moment, due to a lack of somewhere to live, but i hope to be going back to education in the summer,
  677. [23:26:33] <jcw9> Its essentially the professional school: drama and physical therapy, applied psych, music, art, and education (teaching teacher stuff)
  678. [23:26:53] <JamieKnight> sounds intresting,
  679. [23:27:16] <JamieKnight> I did part of a dgree (BSc) with the Ou a few years ago,
  680. [23:28:22] <JamieKnight> it got inturupted, i live in fostercare, and i got to 16, so i had to start leaving care. I will go back to it when i have somwhere stable to live,
  681. [23:28:31] <JamieKnight> anyway back to micrformats!
  682. [23:28:54] <mfbot> [[events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north&diff=0&oldid=13382 * Tantek * (+137)
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  685. [23:38:54] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  686. [23:38:55] * ChanServ sets mode +o tantek
  687. [23:39:29] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13383 * RobCottingham * (+221) Examples -
  688. [23:39:32] <JamieKnight> hiya tantek
  689. [23:43:38] <TylerR> I think I found my solution to my domain issue.
  690. [23:43:46] <JamieKnight> kewl,
  691. [23:44:00] <TylerR> I put the company taxonomy team to the task of coming up with ideas tonight when they're off work. :)
  692. [23:44:13] <TylerR> Nothing like utilizing free resources. :)
  693. [23:45:12] <JamieKnight> what is the comapny you work for?
  694. [23:45:50] <TylerR> I work for a marketing, creative, and technology consulting company.
  695. [23:46:27] <JamieKnight> isent taxonomy the scintific classification of animals?
  696. [23:46:31] <JamieKnight> ect.
  697. [23:49:53] <TylerR> It is also, "controlled vocabulary used primarily for the creation of navigation structures for websites. Often based on a thesaurus, but may have shallower hierarchies and less structure, for example, no related terms."
  698. [23:50:17] <TylerR> Examples include metadata keywords and such.
  699. [23:50:29] <JamieKnight> kewl, hadent heard that definition
  700. [23:50:51] <TylerR> It's a crucial team to have when managing enterprise intranets.
  701. [23:50:57] <JamieKnight> i didnt see it on the wiki page,
  702. [23:51:17] <JamieKnight> hmm, i work in a VERY small comapny so we dont have "teams"
  703. [23:53:31] <TylerR> Ah righto.
  704. [23:54:47] <JamieKnight> i find it intresting though how different companies do things,
  705. [23:55:30] <TylerR> Yeah definitely. We have 300+ people though so we can afford to specialize quite nicely.
  706. [23:55:44] <TylerR> I'd like to become the company microformats go-to guy. :)
  707. [23:56:24] <JamieKnight> i am the company microformats guy i supose,
  708. [23:57:05] <JamieKnight> so, do you have "compitiion amoung the web people in the area of microformats"
  709. [23:58:08] <TylerR> Nope. No one else around here knows anything about it.
  710. [23:58:23] <JamieKnight> kewl,
  711. [23:58:25] * jcw9 (n=jonathan@WILLIAMSJ01.ADMIN.ED.NYU.EDU) Quit ("Leaving")
  712. [23:58:53] * kingryan is not the go-to guy for mf's at his company :D
  713. [23:59:06] <JamieKnight> I am in a similar position, althoug, alun is very knowlagable, so we work together,
  714. [23:59:35] <TylerR> Good stuff.
  715. [23:59:53] <JamieKnight> he has far more experience than me, he has been making website for more years than i have been verbal!

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