IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-09

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  3. [00:12:22] <jibot> chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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  8. [00:25:26] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  12. [00:31:58] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  38. [01:12:17] <JamieKnight> hiya,
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  80. [03:16:06] <JamieKnight> hiya,
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  106. [07:57:21] <jibot> veeliam is William Lawrence <http://zaxbypass.com>
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  110. [08:25:14] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  115. [09:02:56] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  118. [09:09:37] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  120. [09:17:47] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  123. [09:19:58] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  127. [09:38:28] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  133. [10:26:27] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  135. [10:38:44] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  139. [12:26:57] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  142. [12:41:51] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
  143. [12:49:20] <mfbot> [[firefox-extensions]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=13396 * T1mmyb * (+0) Web Developer - sp (microformat)
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  145. [13:00:54] <jibot> JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
  146. [13:01:05] <JamieKnight> hiya,
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  150. [13:26:10] <jibot> amanuel is Amanuel, the social ambassador at http://otavo.com
  151. [13:26:33] <JamieKnight> hiya,
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  153. [13:35:45] <mfbot> [[User:HenrichPoehls]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:HenrichPoehls * HenrichPoehls * (+160)
  154. [13:40:51] <mfbot> [[User:HenrichPoehls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:HenrichPoehls&diff=0&oldid=13397 * HenrichPoehls * (+237) Introducing myself ...
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  156. [13:43:15] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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  158. [13:44:44] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
  159. [13:47:16] <mfbot> [[User:JamieKnight]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:JamieKnight * JamieKnight * (+540) introduction to Jamie Knight
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  161. [13:55:46] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=13398 * HenrichPoehls * (+69) Exploratory Discussions -
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  163. [14:06:23] <jibot> SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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  262. [14:40:27] <monkinetic> anyone got a decent XOXO I can test against? I can't seem to find one in the wild with ol class="xoxo"
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  266. [14:43:17] <jibot> Pierre_N is Alpha1
  267. [14:47:28] <JamieKnight> sorry, i dont, is there on one the wiki?
  268. [14:47:47] <JamieKnight> or, how about S5? there is an XOXO version of S5, that should have it,
  269. [14:48:57] <mfbot> [[digitalsignature-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/digitalsignature-brainstorming * HenrichPoehls * (+5864) First Brainstorming
  270. [14:49:04] <monkinetic> meh, i just copied some sample code from the wiki into a doc
  271. [14:49:09] <monkinetic> thanks
  272. [14:49:22] <JamieKnight> your welcome,
  273. [14:49:29] <JamieKnight> can i ask what you are using it for?
  274. [14:49:41] <monkinetic> testing mofo's xoxo support
  275. [14:49:57] <JamieKnight> mofo's
  276. [14:49:58] <mfbot> [[digitalsignature-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=digitalsignature-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13399 * HenrichPoehls * (-5)
  277. [14:50:01] <JamieKnight> what is mofo?
  278. [14:50:27] <monkinetic> http://errtheblog.com/post/37
  279. [14:50:32] <monkinetic> ruby uF parser
  280. [14:50:42] <JamieKnight> thanks,
  281. [14:50:49] <JamieKnight> kewl,
  282. [14:50:56] <monkinetic> yeah
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  284. [14:53:42] <JamieKnight> sounds good,
  285. [14:53:47] <JamieKnight> abit like hkit,
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  287. [14:54:42] <jibot> markp is Mark Pilgrim
  288. [14:55:18] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=13400 * HenrichPoehls * (+37)
  289. [14:55:44] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=13401 * HenrichPoehls * (+5)
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  291. [14:56:55] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=13402 * HenrichPoehls * (+0)
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  293. [14:57:19] <jibot> Omnifrog is the proud originator of Fair Use Day
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  295. [15:03:50] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  296. [15:04:02] <mkaply> OK, can I ask a real dumb question abou tags?
  297. [15:04:22] <mkaply> Everyone keeps saying "flickr does rel tags the correct way and that's one of the reason's it's correct"
  298. [15:04:40] <mkaply> Can someone please show me a flickr page that actually uses rel="tag"?
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  301. [15:14:56] <JamieKnight> hiya mkaply
  302. [15:15:03] <mkaply> hey
  303. [15:15:10] <JamieKnight> i have not seen this page you are describing, i dont use flickr that much,
  304. [15:15:14] <JamieKnight> sorry,
  305. [15:15:56] <mkaply> JamieKnight: no biggie. the rel-tag discussion has been raging for years. IBM is on the verge of adding tagging to all of our major products and none of it will use rel-tag. Kind of sad
  306. [15:16:15] <JamieKnight> yeah
  307. [15:16:23] <JamieKnight> is sad,
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  309. [15:24:20] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  311. [15:25:02] <drewinthehead> greetings ... apologies for recent absence!
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  313. [15:25:28] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  314. [15:27:03] <JamieKnight> drewinthehead: hiya
  315. [15:27:06] * drewinthehead is still without the internets outside of (very busy) work hours.
  316. [15:27:12] <drewinthehead> hey JamieKnight
  317. [15:27:20] <JamieKnight> I have been meaning to contact you,
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  319. [15:27:39] <drewinthehead> what about?
  320. [15:27:45] <JamieKnight> I rewrote my hCard to gmail converter, using your hKit
  321. [15:27:56] * mkaply heads to work
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  323. [15:28:00] <JamieKnight> i have a draft e-mail somewhere,
  324. [15:28:08] <JamieKnight> have fun mk
  325. [15:28:34] <JamieKnight> also, you RSS feed is broken
  326. [15:28:47] <JamieKnight> nope, working again now,
  327. [15:29:36] <JamieKnight> wanted to let you know and ask some questions,
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  330. [15:33:06] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  331. [15:33:26] <JamieKnight> hiya briansuda
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  334. [15:45:34] <JamieKnight> stupid question but: are you allowed a UL inside a p element?
  335. [15:45:51] <monkinetic> no
  336. [15:45:58] <JamieKnight> hmmm,
  337. [15:45:58] <monkinetic> p cannot contain other block-level elements
  338. [15:46:03] <JamieKnight> okay, thanks,
  339. [15:46:09] <monkinetic> sure
  340. [15:46:16] <JamieKnight> then how would i markup a tag list
  341. [15:46:32] <JamieKnight> tag <ul> bleh </ul>
  342. [15:46:42] <JamieKnight> but, the tag work is not defined.
  343. [15:46:46] <JamieKnight> word rather.
  344. [15:47:52] <monkinetic> hm.
  345. [15:48:23] <monkinetic> i *think* that you'd need to separate it out of the <p>
  346. [15:48:34] <monkinetic> though i'm no xhtml guru
  347. [15:48:39] <JamieKnight> me nother,
  348. [15:48:49] <JamieKnight> just trying to be semantic.
  349. [15:49:20] <JamieKnight> <p>tag</p<ul</ul> doesent seem much more semantic to me,
  350. [15:49:28] <JamieKnight> its not a paragraph
  351. [15:49:36] <JamieKnight> hmmmmm,
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  353. [15:49:56] <monkinetic> you can use div instead of p
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  357. [15:51:03] <JamieKnight> hmmm,
  358. [15:51:08] <JamieKnight> not sure of that is anymore semantic,
  359. [15:51:21] * JamieKnight wonders if there is an XHTML channel on freenode.
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  361. [15:58:20] <mfbot> [[genealogy-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-formats&diff=0&oldid=13403 * Bob Jonkman * (+2391) GEDCOM - Microformat re-use; date difficulties
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  363. [16:05:03] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  364. [16:05:12] <JamieKnight> wb danja
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  371. [16:35:18] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  372. [16:35:51] <JamieKnight> hiya mkaply
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  374. [16:36:40] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  375. [16:37:18] <mkaply> hey
  376. [16:37:30] <JamieKnight> how be you?
  377. [16:37:52] <mkaply> ok.
  378. [16:38:41] <JamieKnight> good, good,
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  380. [16:38:43] <JamieKnight> busy?
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  384. [16:39:35] <jibot> TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing up something social.
  385. [16:39:56] <JamieKnight> hiya TylerR
  386. [16:40:11] * TylerR wonders why jibot won't expunge properly.
  387. [16:40:19] <TylerR> Hi.
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  389. [16:40:24] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  390. [16:41:03] <JamieKnight> how be you?
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  393. [16:45:29] <briansuda> has anyone played with Window's Live Writer, i remember the demo was using an hCalendar plugin, has anyone see the output?
  394. [16:45:59] <JamieKnight> nopers,
  395. [16:46:22] <JamieKnight> sorry,
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  398. [16:52:09] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  399. [16:52:47] <JamieKnight> i am logging of soon,
  400. [16:52:51] <JamieKnight> bye people,
  401. [16:52:57] <JamieKnight> )licks)
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  403. [17:01:54] <mkaply> briansuda: I've played with it
  404. [17:02:48] <briansuda> have you seen the output, is DTEND exclusive as well?
  405. [17:04:50] <mkaply> <abbr class="dtstart" title="2007-02-09">Friday, February 9, 2007</abbr><abbr class="dtend" title="2007-02-10">
  406. [17:04:55] <mkaply> yes. dtend is exclusive
  407. [17:05:10] <briansuda> excellent, i thought about that yesterday
  408. [17:05:44] <mkaply> grabbing the latest beta to check that as well
  409. [17:06:31] <mkaply> We could write plugins to livewriter to do other microformats :)
  410. [17:07:32] <mkaply> that's a from scratch event. Checking upcoming now
  411. [17:07:33] <briansuda> this is true, but i don't have a windows machine to test on
  412. [17:07:55] <briansuda> that might be something to add to the advocacy page or the TODOs wiki page.
  413. [17:07:56] <mkaply> duh. It searches eventful which doesn't seem to allow events without times
  414. [17:09:10] <mkaply> they allow you to turn off the date in the event - doh!
  415. [17:10:43] <mkaply> So has anyone used the logic on the rel-tag syntax that it basically is mandating how someone's server is configured? Or has that been shot down somehow as well?
  416. [17:11:13] <briansuda> what do you mean?
  417. [17:12:54] <mkaply> briansuda: forcing rest APIs for accessing the tag space for local tagspaces
  418. [17:13:38] <briansuda> i think there is alot of confusion over rel-tag, there has been 2-3 different threads on the same topic
  419. [17:14:01] <briansuda> rel-tag is about HOW and WHERE to extract the tag data, people are wanting to change the spec
  420. [17:14:28] <briansuda> the reason seems to be because their server setup or host doesn't allow XY or Z
  421. [17:14:43] <briansuda> that is not the specs problem. I don't see what the spec is at fault
  422. [17:15:14] <briansuda> i'm not saying it should be static forever, but i don't think the spec should be changed because of broken implementations
  423. [17:15:38] <mkaply> but the implementations are only broken because of the spec. That's a circular argument.
  424. [17:16:01] <briansuda> some of the implementations do things like /tags/books/index.html
  425. [17:16:11] <briansuda> that is just outright broken
  426. [17:16:12] <mkaply> I know what my tag is in the URL https://activities.tap.ibm.com/activities/activities/service/html/activities/overview?tag=firefox&start=1
  427. [17:16:22] <briansuda> overview
  428. [17:17:03] <mkaply> well, per the spec. The problem is server software has to be rewritten to support the spec. And the spec doesn't allow for anything but REST APIs.
  429. [17:17:08] <mkaply> You can't do query APIs
  430. [17:18:09] <mkaply> I understand the logic. In that you might have a tagspace of car but the tag textContent is Auto.
  431. [17:18:23] <briansuda> why do you WANT to do query APIs? and more over, rel-tag models current behavior, so are people DOING queries
  432. [17:19:10] <mkaply> Again, circular argument. There were a few people that did it a certain way, rel-tag copied them, people started doing it as rel-tag did.
  433. [17:19:22] <mkaply> There is already software out there that users query APIs.
  434. [17:19:31] <mkaply> and all that software has to be rewritten to use REST
  435. [17:19:36] <mkaply> or lots of mod_rewrite
  436. [17:20:06] <briansuda> but in some ways that is not a bug it is a feature :)
  437. [17:20:19] <briansuda> search engines sometimes strip the ?...
  438. [17:20:23] <briansuda> so queries are ignored
  439. [17:20:53] <briansuda> i don't think that was what the issues on the mailing-list were about.
  440. [17:20:58] <mkaply> I just wish there was some way to specify the tag. Not parse the URL. Not look at the textContent. What is the tag
  441. [17:21:08] <briansuda> i think they were more ... can rel-tag ignore file-extentions?
  442. [17:21:13] <briansuda> can rel-tag be scoped?
  443. [17:21:21] <briansuda> can i use the @title instead
  444. [17:21:43] <mkaply> We've got all kinds of unique scenarios in our case. All ugly
  445. [17:21:57] <mkaply> http://dogear.tap.ibm.com/html?tag=connections
  446. [17:22:00] <mkaply> http://dogear.tap.ibm.com/html?tag=apar&user=chrisc%40us.ibm.com
  447. [17:22:03] <mkaply> http://blogs.tap.ibm.com/weblogs/tag.do?tag=bcv3
  448. [17:22:06] <mkaply> http://w4.ibm.com/bluepages/html/people?tags=enki
  449. [17:22:08] <monkinetic> rel-tag is fussy. it's the only uF that i know of that tries to spec your url scheme
  450. [17:22:55] <monkinetic> silly.
  451. [17:23:12] <mkaply> was there really nothing in <A> that could have been used to denote the tagname?
  452. [17:23:25] <mkaply> why did people say no to title
  453. [17:23:50] <briansuda> i would prefer to use human-reable textNode first
  454. [17:23:58] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13404 * T1mmyb * (+69) New Examples - Added optics.org team page
  455. [17:24:11] <briansuda> @title is hidden (except in tool tips, which is not part of the HTML spec)
  456. [17:24:29] <mkaply> briansuda: Are there any cases in the wild where the textNode is really different than the intended tag - like the car/Auto case I mentioned above?
  457. [17:24:33] <briansuda> @title is handled by user-agents how every they want
  458. [17:24:50] <briansuda> not sure, i would image in internationalization issues it is different
  459. [17:25:08] <briansuda> and or "brian+suda" is the tag and "brian suda" is the string?
  460. [17:25:20] <briansuda> tag=home text=case
  461. [17:25:24] <mkaply> Well, before sending to the server, you would put + in place of the space
  462. [17:25:45] <monkinetic> mkaply: i think it was an early uF and 'rati was worried about people/spammers doing something like: <a href="site/tags/foo">bar</a>
  463. [17:25:46] <mkaply> The biggest problem is I have a major conflict of interest here. I want the IBM stuff to work :) :)
  464. [17:26:09] <mkaply> monkinetic: I read that but I still didn't understand why the heck that mattered. That happens all over the web anyway
  465. [17:26:32] <mkaply> And that implies that some useragent is looking at the tag programmatically - are there any user agents looking at tags besides Operator?
  466. [17:26:32] <monkinetic> oh, i know, i don't really agree, but i think that's what happened
  467. [17:26:46] <briansuda> i wasn't part of the original rel-tag spec authorship, so i can only speak for what i know and what the spec says
  468. [17:27:17] <briansuda> with something like: html?tag=apar&user=chrisc%40us.ibm.co
  469. [17:27:50] <briansuda> you'd have to describe what portion of that is actually the TAG, and we standarize the query value or 'tag' then we are still mandating how the URL is manufatured
  470. [17:28:05] <briansuda> if you start to use the textNode, then there is no notion of tagspaces any more
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  472. [17:28:34] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  473. [17:28:44] <briansuda> the whole point of REL is that is it the relationship between the HREF and the current page
  474. [17:28:49] <briansuda> not the TEXT and the current page
  475. [17:29:18] <briansuda> i think lots of things would have to change, so much so it won't be rel-tag, it could be class="category" which we already have
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  477. [17:31:19] <jibot> bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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  479. [17:31:47] <mkaply> But then the question becomes what do you really do with the relationship. All we can get out of it is a link to the specified tagspace or we can use the tag to map it to other tagspaces
  480. [17:32:02] <mkaply> The link to the specificed tagspace is active on the page.
  481. [17:32:23] <mkaply> So what we really need is the core tag name to map it to other tagspaces. The relationship is kind of irrelevant at that point
  482. [17:33:03] <briansuda> if that is what you want, then yes you are correct and then you are no longer talking about rel-tag
  483. [17:33:25] <briansuda> you are talking about general semantics like Dublin Core SUBJECT or KEYWORDS
  484. [17:33:48] <briansuda> and there is no reason (that i see) to force fit any of that into rel-tag
  485. [17:34:08] <briansuda> with hCard and hCalendar we have categories
  486. [17:34:43] <bewest> ???
  487. [17:34:48] <bewest> the tag value is the last path segment
  488. [17:34:53] <briansuda> by using Rel-Tag you immediately leverage all the aggrigation sites like technorati and icerocket and others
  489. [17:35:00] <briansuda> bewest you have to read through the archives
  490. [17:35:08] * bewest was just reading through the archive
  491. [17:35:32] <mkaply> briansuda: but how exactly do you leverage them unless I put a link on my webpage?
  492. [17:36:22] <briansuda> you are right, you need a link, i'm saying you could go away and invent your own tagging system that meets your exact needs, but you loose the community that already exists with rel-tag.
  493. [17:36:34] <briansuda> i think we are agreeing, but missing each other somewhere inbetween
  494. [17:36:57] <mkaply> Probably. :)
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  496. [17:37:31] <mkaply> The sucky part about those IBM URLs is that aren't even "invalid" in such away that they would hit a failure case and I could use the textContent as a fallback
  497. [17:37:31] <briansuda> anytime you start to build semantics off of the rel/rev attributes then you are looking at the href
  498. [17:38:16] <briansuda> mkaply you are right, every URL is a valid tag, http://suda.co.uk is the tag for suda.co.uk
  499. [17:39:02] <briansuda> but if you want to look anywhere but the URL then you can't use REL and then it isn't REL-tag anymore
  500. [17:39:15] <mkaply> So you would say that the tag for http://microformatique.com/?cat=27 is microformatique.com?
  501. [17:39:36] <briansuda> according to the current parsing algorthim i would say yes
  502. [17:39:44] <briansuda> you strip ? and #
  503. [17:39:48] <mkaply> <a href="http://microformatique.com/?cat=7" title="View all posts in microformats" rel="category tag">microformats</a>
  504. [17:40:16] <briansuda> the other thing is that it is SUPPOST to point to a tagspace
  505. [17:40:37] <mkaply> well it is a tagspace. IT's the microformats tagspace in wordpress as defined by their API
  506. [17:40:40] <briansuda> if the base URL is a tagspace, then it is both technically and prosely?? correct
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  508. [17:41:24] <briansuda> XFN also works off of the HREF and not the textNode
  509. [17:41:35] <mkaply> Although wordpress uses the term category in that case. So maybe the problem here is really what you said earlier. The distinction between category and tag
  510. [17:41:37] <briansuda> because it uses the REL
  511. [17:41:50] <mkaply> people are using tag when they really mean category
  512. [17:42:14] * briansuda notes that other people don't see the different, but he is not in that camp
  513. [17:42:42] <briansuda> the downside is that class="category" has no category space or no aggregators
  514. [17:43:31] <briansuda> so to do anything with that you need to your own spider to crawl your site, pick out the values from the textNode where there is a class="category" and build index pages for them
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  517. [17:43:32] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  518. [17:44:12] <bewest> the tagspace thing is fixed by creating a simple redirect
  519. [17:44:18] <mkaply> So at this point, do you think Operator is doing the "right thing" with Tagspaces? That is find a given rel-tag on the page, determine the tag, and provide the ability to access other tag spaces?
  520. [17:44:19] <briansuda> or have a fancy database driven page
  521. [17:44:31] <briansuda> yes
  522. [17:44:36] <mkaply> bewest: Maybe on your web server. But we're talking about large pieces of software here
  523. [17:44:37] <bewest> you can have mytagspacerewriter.com/$site/tag -> $site.com/?cat=34
  524. [17:44:46] <briansuda> that was the whole point, you can swap out the tagspace
  525. [17:44:54] <briansuda> 'loosely coupled services'
  526. [17:44:59] <bewest> mkaply: no... this works for any server, even servers other than the one the tagspace is /actually/ hosted on
  527. [17:45:08] <bewest> eg a tinyurl for tagspaces
  528. [17:45:14] <bewest> it's just a redirect
  529. [17:45:41] <mkaply> bewest: I've used mod_rewrite. There's no such thing as "just a redirect" - it can get very complex.
  530. [17:45:50] <bewest> I'm talking about a different service
  531. [17:45:52] <mkaply> But we're having that discussion with these temas
  532. [17:45:55] <bewest> that redirects urls to your service
  533. [17:46:04] <mkaply> I understand what you mean. Just create a tagspace URL that redirects.
  534. [17:46:19] <briansuda> i think bewest is saying from Server A you link to Server B's tag space, but server B redirects you to any URL on server A...Z
  535. [17:46:28] <bewest> yes
  536. [17:46:32] <bewest> it's just a redirect away
  537. [17:46:41] <bewest> if it's truly infeasible to implement where the content lives
  538. [17:46:44] <briansuda> it is an interesting solution... tagspace proxies :)
  539. [17:46:50] <mkaply> yeah. I'll mention that to the team. These URLs should be.http://dogear.tap.ibm.com/tags/dogear-nation
  540. [17:46:56] <mkaply> not http://dogear.tap.ibm.com/html?tag=dogear-nation
  541. [17:47:13] <bewest> be careful though; you don't want an open redirect proxy
  542. [17:47:15] <mkaply> or http://dogear.tap.ibm.com/luis_benitez%40us.ibm.com/tag/learning
  543. [17:47:35] <briansuda> and you want to becareful of how you serve them, 301, 302, 200?
  544. [17:47:40] <mkaply> ignore that persons email I just put up. Please don't use it for spam :)
  545. [17:47:43] <bewest> I think you always want FOUND
  546. [17:47:51] <bewest> mkaply: it's logged :-(
  547. [17:47:53] <mkaply> yes. And display a blank page
  548. [17:48:01] <mkaply> no biggy. I left out the % :)
  549. [17:48:03] <mkaply> @
  550. [17:48:20] * mkaply should have at least pasted a link from his own dogear
  551. [17:48:41] <bewest> I daresay that'd make an interesting web2.0 site
  552. [17:48:48] * briansuda is open to discussion, but not too sympathetic to changing things at the spec level
  553. [17:48:50] <bewest> create your own tagspaces
  554. [17:49:12] <bewest> register for an account, create your tagspace, send the traffic wherever you want
  555. [17:49:13] <mkaply> briansuda: Honestly I think the problem is that people think of rel-tag as a simple cateogry
  556. [17:49:21] <mkaply> Even I still don't undestand the "relationship part"
  557. [17:49:26] <bewest> all urls that get redirected are registered so it's not an open redirect
  558. [17:49:27] <mkaply> With XFN, the relationship part makes sense to me
  559. [17:49:37] <mkaply> bewest: There's your million. Go do it. Quick
  560. [17:49:43] <bewest> and the convention is /$site/tag -> $site.tld/$whatever
  561. [17:49:56] <briansuda> yes, poor rel has gotten a bad wrap with rel-nofollow too :(
  562. [17:49:57] <bewest> mkaply: I have other ideas I'm working on... I'm just putting it out there as a solution
  563. [17:50:03] <bewest> :-)
  564. [17:50:07] <mkaply> I think tagspace.com is available :)
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  566. [17:50:15] <kingryan> mkaply: have you seen http://www.danwebb.net/2007/2/9/sumo-a-generic-microformats-parser-for-javascript ?
  567. [17:50:21] <mkaply> Actually, that would be a good domain to grab just for fun
  568. [17:50:41] <mkaply> kingryan: ha.
  569. [17:50:57] <mkaply> let's all do the same thing :)
  570. [17:51:15] <kingryan> ah, he links to you
  571. [17:51:23] <kingryan> http://www.kaply.com/weblog/2007/01/31/parsing-microformats/
  572. [17:51:51] <bewest> interesting
  573. [17:51:51] <bewest> http://svn.danwebb.net/external/microformat/hcard.js
  574. [17:52:01] <bewest> he also mixes code with data
  575. [17:52:03] <bewest> hmm
  576. [17:52:06] * kingryan would bet that it doesn't pass the test suite
  577. [17:52:39] <mkaply> yep. Same ideas as me :)
  578. [17:53:06] <mkaply> well, not just me. Andy Mitchell as well.
  579. [17:53:31] <mkaply> I'm actually 100% with the test suite at this point (for hCard)
  580. [17:53:45] <mkaply> The only thing I have to fix is some of my microformat->vCard stuff (data URLs in particular)
  581. [17:53:53] <briansuda> right before we go and add more stuff to it :)
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  583. [17:54:31] <mkaply> The main thing I'm trying to avoid is forcing vcard symantics into the data I get from the hCard. I'm letting the conversion to vcard worry about that so as much data is maintained frmo the original microformat
  584. [17:54:40] <mkaply> Sumo is a sweet name though
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  586. [17:55:35] <briansuda> Operator wins! http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=sumo&word2=operator
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  588. [17:57:30] <mkaply> woohoo!
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  590. [17:57:52] <mkaply> briansuda: So do some sort of bound harcopies of your book exist? or is it really online only
  591. [17:58:14] <briansuda> online only, but you could print it and bind it... very FYI
  592. [17:58:26] <briansuda> there is another (bigger) book due out in the next few months
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  594. [17:58:51] * briansuda searches for a link and annoucement
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  596. [17:59:12] <briansuda> http://www.friendsofed.com/book.html?isbn=1590598148
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  598. [18:00:54] <mkaply> cool.
  599. [18:00:55] <mfbot> [[books]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=13405 * Brian * (+158) Added mention of new Microformats book due out soon
  600. [18:01:26] <mfbot> [[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=13406 * Brian * (+0)
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  629. [19:03:30] <mkaply> OK, I don't trust that Sumo guy. at all.
  630. [19:03:30] <mkaply> <LI class="vcard"><A class="fn org url" href="http://www.argenthotel.com/">The Argent Hotel</A> - <SPAN title="Latitude/longitude: 37.786759,-122.402887" class="adr">50 Third Street</SPAN> / <SPAN class="tel">415.974.6400</SPAN></LI>
  631. [19:03:36] * mkaply pukes
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  633. [19:06:15] * mkaply ponders how many things are wrong with that microformat
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  635. [19:07:10] <kingryan> there's only one thing really *wrong* with it
  636. [19:07:20] <kingryan> others that are a bit weird, though
  637. [19:08:19] <mkaply> I can't figure out why the lat/longitude is coded in a hidden way that is not available to the microformat
  638. [19:08:21] <mkaply> Taht's weird
  639. [19:09:13] <mkaply> So that ends up being an empty adr, right? Not an adr that is a string
  640. [19:09:19] <mkaply> adr requires subproperties
  641. [19:12:20] <bewest> the lat/long isn't part of the microformat
  642. [19:12:25] <bewest> so there's nothing wrong with it
  643. [19:13:09] <tantek_> it's missing a street-address class name
  644. [19:13:11] <mkaply> I think he intended it to be though. Why else would he have hidden it in a title?
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  652. [19:31:09] <Irregex> hi there
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  655. [19:35:59] <kingryan> hi Irregex
  656. [19:37:24] <Irregex> hey there, just was reading up on microformats in haine's book, thought i'd pop in and see what was up
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  659. [19:41:21] <Irregex> are there any immediate benefits to using microformats when most browsers right now simply shrug them off when the plug-ins aren't installed?
  660. [19:42:23] <mkaply> plan for the future :)
  661. [19:43:43] <bewest> Irregex: yes.
  662. [19:43:54] <bewest> Irregex: not all the benefits of microformats stem from user interaction
  663. [19:44:17] <Irregex> i was taking a look at the live examples of microformats in use. i'm really (pleasantly) surprised to see lots of people adopting this stuff when support isn't fully realized by major software vendors.
  664. [19:44:22] <bewest> in fact, arguably the minority of benefits reside in the area where users interact with microformats via browser plugins
  665. [19:44:36] <bewest> Irregex: what do you mean by support and major software vendors
  666. [19:44:53] <bewest> Irregex: most of the benefits aren't in user interaction with browser plugins
  667. [19:45:01] * Irregex nods
  668. [19:45:04] <bewest> browsers aren't the only software agents on the web
  669. [19:46:04] <Irregex> i mean that it's neat to know that there are early adopters even before the major players haven't fully brought them into use, like microsoft, apple, amazon, etc.
  670. [19:46:49] <kingryan> Irregex: part of the point of microformats is that it doesn't matter of ms, appl or amaz ever support them
  671. [19:47:12] * bewest isn't sure major players really drive the market anyway
  672. [19:47:25] <Irregex> ah so it's more about users empowering users then
  673. [19:47:39] <Irregex> or rather, users empowering agents
  674. [19:47:41] * Irregex smiles
  675. [19:49:27] <Irregex> i think i haven't gotten enough exposure to life outside the corporate atmosphere. i went straight out of college to an ms vendor and have been here since. i don't see much beyond the ms propoganda if you will, and i am very interested in breaking out if you will
  676. [19:51:26] <Irregex> alright well, i'm to be getting back to work, thanks for the brief chat
  677. [19:51:30] <bewest> np
  678. [19:51:34] <bewest> we're here all week
  679. [19:51:36] <bewest> all day
  680. [19:51:39] <bewest> 7 days a week
  681. [19:51:42] * Irregex smiles
  682. [19:51:47] <Irregex> same bat time, same bat channel?
  683. [19:51:52] <bewest> :-)
  684. [19:52:08] <Irregex> take care
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  710. [21:01:28] <jibot> JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
  711. [21:01:54] <JamieKnight> hiya
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  730. [22:11:46] <mfbot> [[operating-hours]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=operating-hours&diff=0&oldid=13407 * Drago516 * (-564) rework page
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  733. [22:12:17] <mfbot> [[operating-hours]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=operating-hours&diff=0&oldid=13408 * Drago516 * (-5)
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  739. [22:17:18] <Irregex> hello again, found myself with a bit of a break in work this afternoon
  740. [22:17:24] <Irregex> so i thought i'd stop on in again
  741. [22:18:43] <mfbot> [[digital-signatures]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/digital-signatures * Drago516 * (+6672) created, most content from proposal moved to this page, edited
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  746. [22:28:13] <mfbot> [[digitalsignature-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=digitalsignature-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13409 * Drago516 * (-4826) moved content to its own page, this page is for brainstorming/ examples
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  748. [22:31:09] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=13410 * Drago516 * (+101) added digital-signatures
  749. [22:35:08] <bewest> kingryan: you seen the pipes yahoo thing?
  750. [22:37:39] <mfbot> [[User:Drago516]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Drago516&diff=0&oldid=13411 * Drago516 * (+231) added digital-signatures and various updates
  751. [22:40:23] <kingryan> bewest: the servers were down when I wanted to look at it
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  753. [22:40:33] <bewest> it's up today
  754. [22:40:40] <bewest> basically extreme HTTP piping
  755. [22:40:59] <bewest> will be interesting if they provide gateways for microformat translation
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  763. [22:51:27] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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