IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-12
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- [01:31:02] <vbgunz>
I don't mean to be a fool but I just finished reading up on rel="tag" and thought the word after the last slash was the tag AND no ?query=parameters were allowed nor linking to direct documents e.g. tech.php, fish.pl, etc?
- [01:31:57] <vbgunz>
is this correct? I thought I read this in the FAQs but maybe I misinterpreted it and I don't mean to highlight any faughts except my own *but* this page: http://jyte.com/cl/jyte-should-integrate-microformats-votelinks sort of confused me in it's use of tags...
- [01:32:55] <JamieKnight>
hmmm, not really sure,
- [01:32:59] <JamieKnight>
i will go have a look,
- [01:33:11] <JamieKnight>
i think thebtagspace is meant to be http://www.domain/tag/
- [01:33:17] <JamieKnight>
tha tagspace rather
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- [01:35:28] <vbgunz>
well, I found that page from reading up on the votelinks emf... really, I am sure I am just making a small deal out of nothing. a curious question
- [01:35:54] <JamieKnight>
i am not really sure, TBH
- [01:35:57] <JamieKnight>
reading it now,
- [01:36:13] <JamieKnight>
I supose, mod rewrite is almost universal so.....
- [01:36:38] <JamieKnight>
i saupose, the problem with that, is that if somone wished to link to your tagspace it would make it more difficult.
- [01:38:01] <vbgunz>
I agree. I like the idea of getting the tag after the last slash and keeping it simple
- [01:38:32] <JamieKnight>
hmmm,
- [01:38:43] <JamieKnight>
seem more simple, make things easier for operator,
- [01:38:54] <JamieKnight>
also, i supose, you could also check a domain for tag like that
- [01:39:15] <JamieKnight>
if you geta 404 wheen going to domain.tld/tag/
- [01:39:19] <JamieKnight>
then they dont have a tagspace
- [01:39:22] <JamieKnight>
maybe.....
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- [02:54:26] <mfbot>
[[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13437 * SteveL * (+160) Suggested fields for inclusion -
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[[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13438 * SteveL * (-1) Suggested fields for inclusion -
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[[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13439 * SteveL * (-28) Suggested fields for inclusion -
- [02:57:30] <KevinMarks>
vbgunz: that id correct
- [02:57:47] <vbgunz>
?
- [02:58:03] <vbgunz>
do you mean the tags are incorrect?
- [02:58:14] <KevinMarks>
he word after the last slash was the tag AND no ?query=parameters were allowed nor linking to direct documents e.g. tech.php, fish.pl, etc?
- [02:58:30] <KevinMarks>
checking jyte
- [02:58:57] <vbgunz>
oh
- [02:59:00] <KevinMarks>
those tags aren't rel-tag
- [02:59:07] <KevinMarks>
and don't have rel="tag" on them
- [02:59:26] <KevinMarks>
Bloggers are right -someoen said they weren't
- [03:03:01] <vbgunz>
yeah, I checked them too, sorry. I think I got nazi on it without really seeing if they were microformats to begin with. silly me :(
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[[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13440 * SteveL * (+284) Additional Suggestions -
- [03:23:00] <vbgunz>
what is the difference between a sub contact and a meta contact?
- [03:23:52] <vbgunz>
sorry, wrong channel
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[[greasemonkey]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey&diff=0&oldid=13441 * ChristopheDucamp * (+16) Prebuilt hCard - ndunn -> dead link
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[[irc-people]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=13442 * HenrichPoehls * (+0) sorted my name in
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[[greasemonkey]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey&diff=0&oldid=13443 * ChristopheDucamp * (+28) Dynamic hCard - dead link
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[[greasemonkey-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey-fr&diff=0&oldid=13444 * ChristopheDucamp * (+636) [fr : lien mort + proposition de lien alternatif sur ma hcard à vérifier]
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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[[greasemonkey-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey-fr&diff=0&oldid=13445 * ChristopheDucamp * (-24) hCard Préconstruite -
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[[greasemonkey-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey-fr&diff=0&oldid=13446 * ChristopheDucamp * (-3) hCard Préconstruite -
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?forgetme
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I have expunged TylerR from my mind
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- [11:06:46] <Whiskey_M>
'lo
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- [11:11:27] <drewinthehead>
'lo Whiskey_M
- [11:11:31] <Whiskey_M>
before I start going down a deadend, has anyone here looked at WAI-ARIA and its potential suitability to being mapped as a microformat? If so any thoughts?
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- [11:12:52] <Whiskey_M>
before the tar and feathers come out - I haven't looked in any depth, it's just a thought and I am not saying it should be considered for a microformat
- [11:13:15] <Whiskey_M>
hey Drew, how goes?
- [11:13:48] <drewinthehead>
not too shabby ... still no internets at home, so only lurking here during the day when I'm able
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- [11:16:30] <Whiskey_M>
are you along to the next WSG london meet-up?
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- [11:18:36] <drewinthehead>
I'll need to check out when it is. Heading into a meeting.. back shortly
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- [11:36:55] <drewinthehead>
i think i may be able to make it to the next WSG, Whiskey_M
- [11:37:43] <Whiskey_M>
cool, same venue as last time - on pay day and time for a few beers after :)
- [11:39:09] <Whiskey_M>
'twas that and the latest dom scripting presentation by Chris Heilmann that got me thinking about ARIA
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ChrisHeilmann is Christian Heilmann, physically located in London and at http://wait-till-i.com
- [11:51:32] <Whiskey_M>
speak of the devil...
- [11:52:58] <ChrisHeilmann>
<MsPiggy>who moi?</MsPiggy>
- [11:53:29] <Whiskey_M>
indeed, scaned over your screencast earlier today
- [11:53:50] <ChrisHeilmann>
just uploading that to youtube
- [11:55:39] <ChrisHeilmann>
did you enjoy it?
- [11:59:51] <Whiskey_M>
it's easy to follow and a good 10 minutes - hopefully it will encourage more people to adopt that way of thinking
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I am right now trying to set up a TOC for a book in that style. Something like a "Don't make me think" for coders
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you mean that coders think? ;)
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So how many folks are going to be in Austin for SXSW?
- [17:27:22] <mkaply>
from this community?
- [17:27:57] <briansuda>
http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of
- [17:28:08] <ChrisHeilmann>
I was to go but I am working in Sunnyvale instead
- [17:29:15] <briansuda>
but you will be at http://thehighlandfling.com/2007/
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- [17:30:55] * mkaply needs a job where he goes to these conferences :)
- [17:30:59] <ChrisHeilmann>
briansuda aye, on stage
- [17:31:08] <ChrisHeilmann>
thinking of wearing a kilt
- [17:31:19] <briansuda>
that would be a site to see!
- [17:31:33] <briansuda>
mkaply, you could always quit working and go to all the conferences you want :)
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- [17:35:47] <mkaply>
briansuda: need to become independently wealthy first
- [17:36:37] <briansuda>
or just offer to setup chairs, etc and you can usually attend inexchange for working it
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shirt
- [17:42:36] * briansuda wants a microformats t-shirt
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http://creativecommons.org/support/store
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- [17:49:28] <JamieKnight>
hiya,
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- [17:49:45] <JamieKnight>
hiya JMulder
- [17:49:52] <JMulder>
Y hello thar.
- [17:50:15] <JamieKnight>
hiyam
- [17:50:18] <JamieKnight>
how be you?
- [17:50:36] <JMulder>
Man, it's 6:50PM and I just got home. I feel so sorry for you guys working your full-time jobs :(
- [17:50:50] <JMulder>
Fine. Just having a bit of withdrawal from student life.
- [17:50:51] <JamieKnight>
i am not working full time,
- [17:51:02] <JamieKnight>
i am not student life?
- [17:51:05] <JamieKnight>
sorry,
- [17:51:11] <JamieKnight>
what do you mean by student life
- [17:51:27] * JamieKnight is 17 and works via the net in a "flexable" sort of way
- [17:51:30] <JMulder>
As in waking up at 1PM, spending the day browsing YouTube and then going to bed at 2AM.
- [17:51:35] <JMulder>
Oh. Lucky you. ;)
- [17:51:41] <JamieKnight>
ah,
- [17:51:47] <JamieKnight>
so, like my life atm then,
- [17:52:06] <JMulder>
I started graduation last week. Had to switch from that to regular 9 to 5:30 hours work :\
- [17:52:06] * JamieKnight is trapped a few hundred miles away from schoool, going back in september
- [17:52:13] <JamieKnight>
ouch,
- [17:52:31] <JMulder>
Yes, exactly.
- [17:52:34] <JamieKnight>
you see the barcamp london thingy?
- [17:53:01] <JMulder>
Not really. I'm not near London, geographically. Time-wise, you could say I am near London.
- [17:53:01] <JamieKnight>
i seem to work better from 11am till 3am, then anyother time.
- [17:53:29] <JamieKnight>
I am trying to perswade my boss to go (so i can go with him)
- [17:53:41] <ChrisHeilmann>
Time wise a big chunk of europe is near london :)
- [17:53:57] <JamieKnight>
hiya ChrisHeilmann
- [17:54:03] <JMulder>
I'm near Amsterdam. ;)
- [17:54:18] <JamieKnight>
in some parts of cornwall france is closer than london....
- [17:54:27] <JMulder>
lol. True.
- [17:54:37] * JamieKnight has a feeling he i closer to france than london atm.....
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- [17:55:00] <JMulder>
Hmm. It's a 45 minute flight to London. In theory. :p
- [17:55:13] <ChrisHeilmann>
A friend of mine is a teacher for French in Cornwall
- [17:55:14] <JMulder>
The whole airport security thing takes days. ;)
- [17:55:43] <ChrisHeilmann>
When her kids moaned about having to learn French she pointed at the window and claimed that France *is* closer than London
- [17:55:53] <JMulder>
lol.
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- [17:56:05] <ChrisHeilmann>
I told her to show photos of French girls next time, that'll make at least the blokes study harder
- [17:56:15] <JamieKnight>
hehe,
- [17:56:22] * JamieKnight does not speak french
- [17:56:30] <ChrisHeilmann>
Airport security is a pain and a joke
- [17:56:39] <ChrisHeilmann>
even more so is the one for the Eurostar
- [17:56:58] * JamieKnight does sign BSL, makaton and STC, and speak english, and write (very very little) japanease,
- [17:57:03] <JMulder>
I prefer Italian girls myself.
- [17:57:04] <JamieKnight>
but i could not get on with french
- [17:57:12] <JMulder>
Besides Dutch, of course. Oh, Dutch <3
- [17:57:21] <JamieKnight>
hehe,
- [17:57:39] <JMulder>
Anyway. Dinner. bbl. :)
- [17:57:42] <ChrisHeilmann>
I've been in paris monday the week before last, then last thursday and friday and will fly to California for two weeks end of the month. Then I will go for a workshop in Singapore for two days and then to Highland Fling.
- [17:57:51] <JMulder>
Ok. Get out.
- [17:57:51] <ChrisHeilmann>
I want a carte blanche for security checks!
- [17:57:52] <JMulder>
You're no fun ;)
- [17:58:30] <JamieKnight>
wowo, the jet set
- [17:58:36] <ChrisHeilmann>
Dutch is easy. Chew on some dry bread and speak English and German
- [17:58:43] * JamieKnight wonders if the barcamp will let him go due to his age
- [17:58:49] <JamieKnight>
ChrisHeilmann: Lol,
- [17:59:44] <ChrisHeilmann>
Mind you, that is what Swedes say Danish is like, too
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[[events/2007-02-17-barcamplondon2]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-02-17-barcamplondon2&diff=0&oldid=13454 * Ben Ward * (+28) Microformateers in attendance -
- [18:01:26] <JamieKnight>
alot of people tend to think that sign language is universal,
- [18:02:11] <ChrisHeilmann>
sadly enough it isn't
- [18:02:19] <JamieKnight>
nopers,
- [18:02:35] <JamieKnight>
very frustrating, finding other signers can be hard in some areas,
- [18:02:41] <ChrisHeilmann>
On Monday I had that live sign language translator next to me. God it looked exhausting. I felt a right bastard talking fast
- [18:03:00] * JamieKnight use to be mute and primaralry used sign to comnicate
- [18:03:31] <JamieKnight>
live translation is hard for perfect BSL grammer, as you need the whole sentence before you can recomboulate it.
- [18:03:51] * JamieKnight wonder who ChrisHeilmann was talking to have a live signer,
- [18:05:39] <ChrisHeilmann>
braillenet conference: http://inova.snv.jussieu.fr/evenements/colloques/servonline/Actes/description_ang.php?id=66&num=45
- [18:06:04] <ChrisHeilmann>
is it mandatory that conferences with disability topics have totally non-memorable URLs?
- [18:06:27] <JamieKnight>
seems so,
- [18:06:33] <JamieKnight>
sounds intresting though,
- [18:06:46] * ChrisHeilmann marvels at the word recomboulate, will print it out and stick it on the wall
- [18:07:19] <JamieKnight>
wehn i was younger (i started speaking when i was 8 got more mastery by the time i was 12 ish) i use to get very frustrated
- [18:13:16] <ChrisHeilmann>
I need to buy a good headset but none fit my hair
- [18:13:22] <ChrisHeilmann>
*detangle*
- [18:13:50] * mkaply always found it annoying that sign language is language/country specific.
- [18:13:58] <mkaply>
It would be cool if sign language was the one universal language :)
- [18:14:01] <JamieKnight>
my hair is simmilar to yours, cept alot shorter,
- [18:14:17] <JamieKnight>
mkaply:
- [18:14:28] <JamieKnight>
it would be very cool if it was,
- [18:14:48] <JamieKnight>
one issue i have found, is that there are multiple signs for one thing / object
- [18:14:49] <ChrisHeilmann>
well, there are several signs that are understood universally.
- [18:14:54] <ChrisHeilmann>
and result in punches
- [18:15:06] <JamieKnight>
nod and shake are pretty much universal,,
- [18:15:41] <JamieKnight>
no in BSL (right index finger point move left and right) is quite universal,
- [18:17:39] <ChrisHeilmann>
ah! But I remember teaching Southern Indian developers who did shake their head to agree.
- [18:17:43] <ChrisHeilmann>
Thus puzzling me
- [18:17:55] <JamieKnight>
hmmmm,
- [18:19:02] * JamieKnight can image the confusion if you were trying to sign with them.
- [18:19:20] <JamieKnight>
i find it amazing how people can comnicate in car parks with waves and mouthing words.
- [18:19:59] <JamieKnight>
i dont understand what people are saying like that....... leads to some big confusions
- [18:21:38] <ChrisHeilmann>
If that was a Greek or Italian parking lot then most communication is conducted via car horns anyways.
- [18:22:13] <JamieKnight>
i wonder how you learn clingon......
- [18:22:41] <ChrisHeilmann>
there are language courses in Klingon
- [18:22:57] <ChrisHeilmann>
even by Langenscheidt which is the #1 German language company
- [18:22:57] <JamieKnight>
ChrisHeilmann: what is the process to report abuse of an e-mail adress on yahoo?
- [18:23:05] <JamieKnight>
hehe,
- [18:23:12] <JamieKnight>
harry potter was published in klingon.
- [18:23:30] <JamieKnight>
as was a few books on autism i have (i have the english version, and the adudio version)
- [18:23:35] <ChrisHeilmann>
http://help.yahoo.com/help/uk/abuse/abuse-01.html
- [18:23:44] <JamieKnight>
thanks,
- [18:23:51] <ChrisHeilmann>
google supports klingon
- [18:24:05] <JamieKnight>
:D
- [18:24:13] <ChrisHeilmann>
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=foo&btnG=Search&hl=xx-klingon
- [18:24:21] <ChrisHeilmann>
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=foo&btnG=Search&hl=xx-elmer is good, too
- [18:25:12] <JamieKnight>
hehe,
- [18:25:35] <ChrisHeilmann>
Time to leave the office.
- [18:25:45] <JamieKnight>
have a nice evening,
- [18:27:16] <ChrisHeilmann>
all of you, too!
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- [18:29:18] <JamieKnight>
why are you confused mkaply?
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- [18:30:04] <mkaply>
why aren't rrule and and attendee and sequence referenced in any of the hcalendar cheat sheets
- [18:30:18] <JamieKnight>
i dont know,
- [18:30:30] * JamieKnight has not used much hacalender,
- [18:30:49] <JamieKnight>
alsthough, from what i have done a easier to use outlook compatibility process would be useful....
- [18:31:06] * JamieKnight is thinking of writing one, but needs to do ALOT more research first
- [18:31:12] <mkaply>
Which outlook? The problem is that Microsoft obviously didn't care about the vCard spec
- [18:31:21] <JamieKnight>
true,
- [18:31:25] <JamieKnight>
2003 i use,
- [18:31:31] <briansuda>
i think partly because there are still open questions and unsolved issues (and it is an unneeded time-sink)
- [18:31:51] <JamieKnight>
microsoft and standards dont normally live in the same sentence
- [18:31:59] <JamieKnight>
briansuda: i am not sre,
- [18:32:03] <JamieKnight>
sure, rather,
- [18:32:03] <mkaply>
briansuda: that's not fare - X2V does them - so clearly you "understood" the issues - you just didn't tell anyone :)
- [18:32:10] <mkaply>
s/fare/fair
- [18:32:16] <JamieKnight>
as, alot of people use outlook,
- [18:32:16] <briansuda>
not to say it does then well :)
- [18:32:33] <JamieKnight>
and alot of hcals dont work with outlook
- [18:32:50] <JamieKnight>
whenn i was testing with them i had to traul the web looking for an example calender which worked.
- [18:33:03] <JamieKnight>
(turn sout on of the hcals in the wild worked)
- [18:33:43] <JamieKnight>
i got Very frustarted with it, and i can see alot of developer not wanting to impliment hCals unless it is garennteed to work with Some version of outlook,
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- [18:34:01] <briansuda>
according to the iCalendar spec, ATTENDEE needs to be referenced with a URI
- [18:34:05] * mkaply notes that the attendee stuff looks scary
- [18:34:35] * JamieKnight wonders why people keep referring to URL's are URI's
- [18:34:39] <briansuda>
plus there is about 50 options for 'sent-to', 'delegated-to'... which i have NEVER seen used in the wild
- [18:34:42] <mkaply>
ATTENDEE;MAILTO:jsmith@host1.com (mailto:jsmith@host1.com)\, RSVPed? TRUE>
- [18:34:47] <mkaply>
IS that really right?
- [18:34:50] <briansuda>
that is an error
- [18:35:18] <JamieKnight>
is the attendi required for outlook?
- [18:35:19] <mkaply>
a URL is a URI but a URI isn't a URL.
- [18:35:31] <JamieKnight>
whats the difference?
- [18:35:36] * JamieKnight is learning
- [18:36:18] <mkaply>
A Universal Resource Identifier (URI) is a member of this universal set of names in registered name spaces and addresses referring to registered protocols or name spaces. A Uniform Resource Locator (URL), defined elsewhere, is a form of URI which expresses an address which maps onto an access algorithm using network protocols.
- [18:36:21] <briansuda>
url: http://example.org
- [18:36:43] <briansuda>
uri: tag:blah:foo/2007-01-01/ or uuid: or mailto: or ...
- [18:36:52] <JamieKnight>
okay
- [18:37:03] <JamieKnight>
that mase some sense,
- [18:37:07] <mkaply>
So I had an idea for the tagspace problem.
- [18:37:14] <JamieKnight>
so, somthing like the rel tag would be a URI?
- [18:37:18] <mkaply>
I emailed the guy that owns tagspace.com (He's not using it)
- [18:37:24] <JamieKnight>
ah,
- [18:37:41] <JamieKnight>
sub.tagspace.com or tagspace.com/name
- [18:38:05] * JamieKnight is guessing....
- [18:38:13] <mkaply>
people would be able to register like tagspace.com/mkaply/firefox
- [18:38:24] <mkaply>
and redirect it wherever they wanted (if their server didn't handle "proper" tagspaces)
- [18:38:47] <mkaply>
briansuda: this attendee stuff is scary.
- [18:38:51] <JamieKnight>
mkaply: what are you meaning by proper namespaces?
- [18:38:51] * mkaply will just leave that out for now
- [18:39:17] <JamieKnight>
do you mean things like mod rewrite?
- [18:39:24] * JamieKnight is confused
- [18:39:32] <mkaply>
JamieKnight: like if on my server, the firefox tag is http://www.kaply.com/weblog/firefox.html, I could register http://tagspace.com/mkaply/tag/firefox to point there
- [18:39:44] <JamieKnight>
okay,
- [18:39:47] <JamieKnight>
i undersetand
- [18:40:47] <JamieKnight>
however, doesent that cause the issue that the domain is then very long,
- [18:41:06] <JamieKnight>
rather than just kaply/tags/
- [18:41:37] <JamieKnight>
you have the added lenth of the URL, however, if you cant get the other way working on the site, i supos eit solves the proble....or somthing.
- [18:41:47] <mkaply>
in theory. But it also gives the ability to aggregate tagspaces
- [18:42:01] <mkaply>
like tagspace.com/tags/firefox could show all the firefox tagspaces
- [18:42:11] * JamieKnight stops trying to sound like this make sense to him, and puts thw words back into his backsaide form where they came
- [18:42:18] <JamieKnight>
mkaply: true,
- [18:42:27] <JamieKnight>
although, why is that useful?
- [18:43:03] <mkaply>
JamieKnight: Just trying to give people an alternative if they swear there is no way they can use "correct" rel-tag syntax :)
- [18:43:04] <JamieKnight>
tagsapes leading to more tagspaces? you could end up going around in a circle,
- [18:43:17] <JamieKnight>
mkaply: true,
- [18:43:31] * JMulder votes for the topic to return to Dutch girls
- [18:43:42] <JamieKnight>
although agragation is an idea, it is not the main idea, sorry, i misunderstood.
- [18:43:43] * mkaply remembers a dutch girl fondly
- [18:43:51] <JMulder>
Pics or it didn't happen. ;)
- [18:43:56] <mkaply>
met her on AOL instant messenger a long time ago.
- [18:44:04] <mkaply>
we don't need to go there )
- [18:44:11] * JamieKnight wonders if he should duck out untill chat return to <18 freindslyness
- [18:44:14] <JMulder>
lol.
- [18:44:35] <JMulder>
I'll hush and harass some people in #devart.
- [18:44:37] * mkaply keeps i clean
- [18:44:50] <JMulder>
Clean. Nice pun. ;)
- [18:45:03] <briansuda>
back to the original question: sequence, rrule, attendee
- [18:45:33] * JamieKnight cant find anyone is devart....
- [18:46:13] <JamieKnight>
briansuda: i havent a clue what you are even talking about, would you kidly explain a bit?
- [18:46:49] <mkaply>
JamieKnight: check out: http://www.xfront.com/microformats/hCalendar.html
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- [18:47:24] <JamieKnight>
thanks mkaply
- [18:47:27] <briansuda>
http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2007-02-12#T183004
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- [18:49:54] <HenrichP>
Hello Tantek,
- [18:50:53] <Skooter>
hi, i dont get the thing about the rel="tag"... 90% og all links ends with .html anyway...
- [18:52:13] <JamieKnight>
its uses mod rewrite,
- [18:52:22] <JamieKnight>
so, you can take it to anypage,
- [18:52:43] <JamieKnight>
i think...
- [18:56:16] <Skooter>
ahem... think i missed something... didnt think mod rewrite had some thing to do with mircoformats...
- [18:58:22] <Skooter>
i can make urls look nicer with mod rewrite yes... but i link to another website the url is not up to me
- [18:58:56] <JamieKnight>
Skooter: what i am reffering to, is that most of the time (in the wild) a tagspace is at a cetain direcotory, like jkg3.com/tags/
- [18:59:15] <JamieKnight>
if it was jkg3.com/plates.pgp?tag=tasname
- [18:59:28] <JamieKnight>
thne it would make it more diffcult for implimentors to .... erm...impliment.
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- [19:00:29] <jibot>
kingryan is ryan king
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- [19:00:59] * JamieKnight mean plates. php and the word then. he is typo planet today
- [19:01:08] <JamieKnight>
brb
- [19:01:09] <Skooter>
JamieKnight: ahem... yes
- [19:01:19] <JamieKnight>
what does ahem mean?
- [19:01:32] * mkaply discovers that yahoo maps sucks
- [19:01:40] <Skooter>
heh... i still dont get it ... :-S
- [19:01:49] <JamieKnight>
okay,
- [19:01:54] <mkaply>
Skooter: think of it this way
- [19:02:00] <mkaply>
Let's say I was parsing that URL to get the "tag"
- [19:02:03] <mkaply>
Like Operator does
- [19:02:12] <JamieKnight>
if you were like mkaply and writing an implimentaiont all you need i the domain, not the whoele adress,
- [19:02:12] <mkaply>
How would I find the tag name if everyone used a different syntax?
- [19:02:21] * JamieKnight shuts up and let mkaply explan.
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- [19:02:54] <mkaply>
You might say "use the text inside of the link, don't parse the URL"
- [19:03:24] <mkaply>
but that doesn't really work either, since the link could have any text in it like "search flickr for photos tagged with foo"
- [19:04:40] <Skooter>
hmm think i get the point
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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- [19:22:56] <sreynen>
mkaply, tagspace redirection only works if parsers don't follow redirection
- [19:23:26] <briansuda>
yeah, it depends on the HTTP response code sent
- [19:23:45] <briansuda>
but it is a cleaver solution
- [19:23:51] <sreynen>
and while that may be the norm now, i'm not sure we should be explicitly encouraging parsers to act differently than human consumers
- [19:24:11] <mkaply>
the parsers only job should be to get the tagname, right?
- [19:24:25] <sreynen>
not necessarily
- [19:24:35] <JamieKnight>
and it ots the Tools job to use that tag name
- [19:24:37] <sreynen>
the meaning of the tag name is relative to the tag space
- [19:25:15] <sreynen>
human readers follow redirects to get that contextual meaning
- [19:26:05] <JamieKnight>
somtimes,
- [19:26:19] <JamieKnight>
gravity.com/tags/up is pretty universal.
- [19:26:41] <JamieKnight>
but, jamiesfamily.com/tags/dad would be relative
- [19:26:46] <mkaply>
all the human reader sees is a link. They don't necessarily understand what it's going to do for them except show some things from somewhere that are related to that link
- [19:26:52] <JamieKnight>
although, dad is the part we want,
- [19:27:30] <JamieKnight>
when i click on a "dad" tag i expect to see dad related content, not content relating to my dad,
- [19:27:33] <mkaply>
the only goal in parsing the tag is to get what we think the tagspace is, so we can relate that tagspace to other tagspaces
- [19:27:53] <sreynen>
that may be your only goal
- [19:27:57] <sreynen>
but there is more meaning there
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- [19:28:15] <JamieKnight>
sreynen: how would you propose the meaning is structured?
- [19:28:16] <sreynen>
and we shouldn't assume no one will ever want to use it
- [19:28:25] <mkaply>
Everyone keeps telling me there is more meaning, but I'm simply not getting it. IS there a good document somewhere?
- [19:29:02] <JamieKnight>
sreynen: how it is atm, it is possible for any "extra meaning" to be gained
- [19:29:38] <JamieKnight>
jamiesfamily.com/tags/dad or somthing like it would rewuire a domain specific implimentation, but it could be done,
- [19:29:47] <sreynen>
the same tag has slightly different meaning at two different tag spaces
- [19:29:52] <JamieKnight>
*require
- [19:30:11] <sreynen>
even if the exact different isn't known to a parser, the fact that there is a difference is known
- [19:30:15] <JamieKnight>
i need to restart BRB
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- [19:30:46] <sreynen>
and those differences could be made explicit
- [19:30:52] <mkaply>
known by the fact that there are anchors?
- [19:31:04] <sreynen>
known by the fact that there's different domains
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- [19:31:19] <jibot>
Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
- [19:31:23] <sreynen>
but if one domain redirects to the other, they aren't really different
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- [19:31:39] <sreynen>
at least not to a human reader
- [19:32:17] <mkaply>
But the browser already presents the ability for the user to click on either link and display those tagspaces. So the question is what additional ability can a user agent provide based on the given information
- [19:32:43] <mkaply>
The only thing I see is let the user use the given tag to navigate to other tagspaces.
- [19:35:20] <briansuda>
if you tag your post about XYZ and relate that to your own tagspace, then you are giving it more meaning
- [19:35:32] <briansuda>
but aggregators like technorati take that tag
- [19:35:32] <briansuda>
http://technorati.com/tag/microformats
- [19:35:48] <briansuda>
and put it in their own tagspace, and that might not be the same context you meant originally
- [19:36:19] <briansuda>
so while i agree with sreynen, i think tags are divisible from the tagspace
- [19:36:37] <briansuda>
otherwise what is the point of aggregation?
- [19:37:06] <mkaply>
actually, operator is a classic example of that. I get some weird hits on the tag operator :)
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- [19:37:51] <briansuda>
my hometown is STL (saint louis) and i tags it with that, unfortunatly so do many C programers and their standard template libraries
- [19:38:13] <briansuda>
that's why Flickr invented tag clusters
- [19:38:29] <briansuda>
Tag A is often found with Tag F, and G
- [19:38:33] <sreynen>
aggregation works on the assumption that context isn't that important
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
- [19:38:43] <danja>
briansuda, but isn't it reasonable to see technorati/del.icio.us etc tagspaces as supersets of more local ones?
- [19:38:56] <sreynen>
but i don't think that assumption should be within rel-tag itself
- [19:39:20] <danja>
no, that should completely independent
- [19:39:35] <briansuda>
if you explicitly put that in the spec, then aggregators are invalid
- [19:39:55] <sreynen>
i'm not sure who's responding to what now
- [19:40:02] <briansuda>
:)
- [19:40:22] <mfbot>
[[events/2007-02-17-barcamplondon2]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-02-17-barcamplondon2&diff=0&oldid=13455 * Adactio * (+31) Microformateers in attendance -
- [19:41:00] * danja hasn't looked at rel-tag spec for a while, but ran across this recently with tim bray's atom:category stuff
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- [19:41:31] <briansuda>
rel-tag has been a hot-topic around here lately
- [19:41:52] <sreynen>
anyone is free to ignore the context a tag space adds to the tags, as aggregators tend to do, but that doesn't really solve the problem for people who want to maintain that context
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- [19:42:30] <briansuda>
sreynen, i agree to that
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- [19:42:48] <briansuda>
who wants and how do you intent to maintain that context?
- [19:42:49] <danja>
hang on, doesn't the href bit give the tagspace?
- [19:43:03] <briansuda>
yes, but you can divorse the tag from the tagspace
- [19:43:25] <briansuda>
then once you have the tag only, you loose some of the meaning from the tagspace
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- [19:43:40] <briansuda>
Plugins are going things like finding a tag "turkey" for instance
- [19:43:42] <danja>
ok, so e.g. technorati are throwing info away by moving from another tagspace to their own - but is that a problem?
- [19:43:55] <briansuda>
then saying, view "turkey" on Flickr, or "Turkey" on del.icio.us
- [19:43:57] <sreynen>
danja, mkaply was talking about redirecting one tagspace to another, to solve the problem of sites that can't use standard tag space URL syntax for whatever reason
- [19:44:17] <danja>
thanks sreynen, missed that bit
- [19:44:24] <briansuda>
danja, i don't know if they are throwing it away, but they are aggregating it
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- [19:44:50] <briansuda>
Flickr attempts to solve this with 'clusters'
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- [19:45:17] <briansuda>
so it will show you "turkey"+"culture" or "turkey"+"trimmings"
- [19:45:45] <briansuda>
which is also aggregated from other "releated" tags and nothing from the tagspaces
- [19:46:42] <sreynen>
but the related tags are related via the tagspaces, aren't they?
- [19:47:01] <danja>
briansuda, taking your stl example, could you please recap the redirect issue?
- [19:47:56] <briansuda>
sreynen, i thought they were taken from a threshold of a percentage of other posts/tags that also have that tag
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- [19:48:38] <sreynen>
briansuda, right, but each post exists within a tagspace
- [19:49:01] <briansuda>
yeah, but i think it is extracted on a post-by-post issue
- [19:49:09] <sreynen>
yeah
- [19:49:32] <briansuda>
danja, i use "STL" for saint louis, but many others use it for Standard Template Library. so that is an example of where CONTEXT matters
- [19:49:44] <briansuda>
the redirect idea was this:
- [19:50:11] <briansuda>
for folks that can't use mod-rewrite and don't want to link to off-site tagspaces ...
- [19:50:22] <briansuda>
they could use a service similar to tinyURL...
- [19:50:33] <briansuda>
tagspace.example.org/foobar
- [19:50:47] <briansuda>
then foobar redirects to their currently established ...
- [19:51:05] <briansuda>
tags.php?tag=foobar&page=24&limit=1&users=ALL
- [19:51:40] <briansuda>
then you get your legacy tagspaces in the rel-tag format without using 3rd-party sites
- [19:52:06] <briansuda>
(well just the redirect, but you might beable to set that up as a subdomain on your own system or something)
- [19:52:12] <danja>
ok, sounds reasonable
- [19:52:22] <danja>
where is the context lost?
- [19:52:32] <briansuda>
in that sense, it isn't
- [19:52:57] <briansuda>
we were talking about plugins like operator that extract "STL" and say, see photos tagged "STL" on flickr
- [19:53:09] <briansuda>
in my own tagspace those would be city pics....
- [19:53:20] <briansuda>
on del.icio.is it is mostly C/C++ links
- [19:53:29] <briansuda>
so some context is lost in translation
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JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
- [19:54:15] <JamieKnight>
hiya evryone,
- [19:55:47] <danja>
briansuda, ok thanks
- [19:55:51] <sreynen>
danja, my worry is that we may add machine-readable context at the resolved tag URL (as that's where human-readable context is added), and we won't be able to do that if we start assuming only the contents of the href attribute identify the tag space, and not the actual resolved URL (which may be different)
- [19:56:36] <sreynen>
but it's really not worth worrying about right now
- [19:57:13] <briansuda>
sreynen, you mean tags.example.org/health could redirect to a page about sweets?
- [19:57:24] <danja>
hmm, but isn't this straight WebArch - the URI identifies a related resource, the relation being the rel, resolving the URI should produce a related representation
- [19:58:13] <briansuda>
but the rel in this case is rel-tag
- [19:58:15] <sreynen>
no, i mean wikipedia.org/wiki/health could contain something like <a href="wikipedia.org/wiki/medicine" rel="related"> and that could be read by parsers to give context to a rel-tag link
- [19:58:22] <briansuda>
the relationship is that the resource is a 'tag'
- [19:59:39] <briansuda>
hm, that is a conundrum, because what if i have a post about 'STL' meaning the city and 'STL' meaning the Lib, my own tagspace can't handle that
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- [19:59:57] <briansuda>
you could only tell the difference based on the OTHER tags i used in each post
- [20:00:27] <briansuda>
neither is a perfect system...
- [20:02:14] <sreynen>
i think it makes more sense to get the context of your tag from what you link to more than the surrounding tags, and using the surrounding tags is more popular right now primarily because it doesn't require loading additional pages
- [20:03:05] <briansuda>
well, that also might be something for the market to decide
- [20:03:23] <briansuda>
if they don't want to load additional pages, and it solves 80%+ of the issues
- [20:03:29] <briansuda>
then EOF
- [20:03:36] <sreynen>
right
- [20:03:49] <briansuda>
if someone else wants to be more compresensive, and it is better they will win in the market
- [20:04:12] <sreynen>
i wouldn't go that far. i run OSX
- [20:04:25] <briansuda>
so do i :)
- [20:04:36] <briansuda>
all other things being equal (price, etc)
- [20:04:36] <sreynen>
better doesn't always win in the market
- [20:05:02] <sreynen>
right, but all other things are never equal
- [20:05:34] <briansuda>
but do you think this is solvable at the spec level? or the implementation level?
- [20:05:39] <sreynen>
no
- [20:05:49] <sreynen>
we have no choice but to follow the market
- [20:06:16] <briansuda>
i don't want to seem like i am just sitting behind the spec and using that to defend my arguments...
- [20:06:43] <sreynen>
no, i don't think we disagree
- [20:07:11] <sreynen>
in retrospect, i raised an issue that's irrelevant in practice
- [20:07:43] <sreynen>
but is very relevant on my hypothetical ideal web
- [20:08:01] <briansuda>
i just feel lately i have been defending rel-tag alot lately
- [20:10:06] <sreynen>
i think a lot of people want it to do more than it does
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WizCraker is Caxi@Eitrigg, WoW, US, Alliance and Dustin D'Amour
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[[code-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=code-examples&diff=0&oldid=13456 * AndyMabbett * (+90) Portable Application Description
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[[stock-symbol-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=stock-symbol-examples&diff=0&oldid=13457 * AnselHalliburton * (+74) Added Google Finance example
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opinion question. One of the options I have in Operator is "bookmark" as in it puts a data/text version of a microformat in your bookmarks.
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Does anyone find that useful? Or is that a total geek feature
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JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
- [22:58:41] <JamieKnight>
hiya,
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hiya,
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- [23:17:08] <vbgunz>
just curious, using XFN, how do you describe the enemy or the person you hate? XFN seems to imply a friend so whats the opposite? e.g. XEN?
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13462 * RaveAboutit * (+91)
- [23:18:04] <JamieKnight>
i dont think there is a value,
- [23:18:18] <JamieKnight>
if you have met them, you could mark them as met.
- [23:18:28] <JamieKnight>
"met disliked"
- [23:18:32] <JamieKnight>
would be sematic
- [23:18:37] <JamieKnight>
or, just disliked,
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- [23:18:45] <JamieKnight>
but its not part of the uf
- [23:19:05] <vbgunz>
well, I dislike the guy across the street but he is not exacty the enemy :)
- [23:19:45] <JamieKnight>
why would you link to somone you hate and drive traffic at thier site?
- [23:19:57] <vbgunz>
just curious, maybe a little finer detail e.g., instead of "friend" under friendship, enemy or asshociate would be cool :)
- [23:20:17] <JamieKnight>
hmmm,
- [23:20:28] <JamieKnight>
i dont think it was quite the idea of XFN
- [23:20:30] <vbgunz>
or another word not so harsh
- [23:20:41] <vbgunz>
heh, I get it, just curious :)
- [23:20:45] <JamieKnight>
after all, xhtml Freinds netowrk...
- [23:20:50] <JamieKnight>
implies you are freinds,
- [23:20:58] <JamieKnight>
maybe you could propose a new format.
- [23:21:05] <JamieKnight>
maybe TAN
- [23:21:16] <JamieKnight>
(Teen anguish network) </joke>
- [23:21:22] <vbgunz>
:)
- [23:22:18] <JamieKnight>
HUN Hate unlimted Network
- [23:22:44] <JamieKnight>
evrything from: dont like to would like to chop into small piece and thown into a pit of discarded needle.
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- [23:23:17] <vbgunz>
I think it would probably be better if it could get merged in with XFN. to me it's not about traffic but expressing relationship with someone. I can probably put rev="vote-against" to sum it up, that'll probably be better, not sure
- [23:23:24] <vbgunz>
heh
- [23:23:30] <JamieKnight>
hmmmm,
- [23:23:42] <JamieKnight>
XFN has freinds in the name soooo......
- [23:23:49] <JamieKnight>
i would assume it means freinds,
- [23:23:53] <vbgunz>
i know
- [23:24:03] <JamieKnight>
also, i supose it is not very comnunity central to state who you hate....
- [23:24:08] <vbgunz>
but you can easily just say *not friends with* :)
- [23:24:54] <JamieKnight>
freinds !== no freinds,
- [23:25:04] <JamieKnight>
no tranformable work in my opinion,
- [23:25:09] <JamieKnight>
but, i supose,
- [23:26:56] <vbgunz>
well I suppose if I strongly disagree with someone for whatever reason rev="vote-against" would probably be the best bet to express that... at least for now :)
- [23:28:23] <JamieKnight>
hmmmm,
- [23:28:26] <JamieKnight>
i supse,
- [23:28:32] <JamieKnight>
although, there isent really a poll,
- [23:28:46] <JamieKnight>
what are you voting against?> thier picture of thier cat?
- [23:28:57] <JamieKnight>
isent cute enough,
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- [23:30:20] <tantek>
vbgunz - you disagree with an opinion, not a person. the difference is important.
- [23:30:48] <vbgunz>
tantek: , I just read the reason they left out negative values....
- [23:30:51] <JamieKnight>
hiya tantek
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- [23:31:15] <tantek>
see also: http://gmpg.org/xfn/background#positive
- [23:31:30] <vbgunz>
yeah I just read that
- [23:31:44] <vbgunz>
I was reading that page right before I made my post and just read it
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to me, I could understand it somewhat
- [23:34:24] <tantek>
consider it a socially engineered microformat
- [23:36:29] <vbgunz>
I just find it too friendly...
- [23:37:20] <kingryan>
then research Xhtml Enemies Network
- [23:40:18] <vbgunz>
kingryan: I don't think I'd like to see it. I guess my point is. What if I strong disagree with someone but not there opinion. OK, they're not a friend exactly but in the world of mf's these links would slip through the cracks... maybe lighter words in place of enemy... I am bad at english but am sure something can pan out to express it lightly or something :)
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- [23:40:45] <tantek>
if you have met the person you can simply state rel="met"
- [23:41:06] <tantek>
if you know how to contact them you can simply state rel="contact"
- [23:41:14] <tantek>
which are both fairly neutral
- [23:43:41] <vbgunz>
I understand... people don't just disagree with one another and hate one another... if you do the right parsing you can figure out who's a troll that's for sure... they're should be some good reasons for adding some disagreement sugar in there somwhere
- [23:44:59] <vbgunz>
e.g. if I met someone and saw they had 53 friends and 783 people who strongly disagreed with them, I might be able to avoid problems or make friends with someone in caution...
- [23:49:26] <vbgunz>
ok, I do have just one question for XFN. when making an XGN link I do not link to the persons homepage *if* it doesn't describe the person and I don't just link to article or some rambling of the person. I instead wish to link directly to there profile if possible, is this correct?
- [23:49:28] <kingryan>
vbgunz: there's a difference between disagreeing with people and not being friends or not liking them
- [23:49:44] <kingryan>
vbgunz: sure
- [23:50:05] <vbgunz>
s/XGN/XFN/g
- [23:50:08] <vbgunz>
sorry
- [23:52:13] <vbgunz>
well I just brought it up because it just seems far too friendly. no biggie :)
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