IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-13
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- [00:04:17] <pnhChris>
whats with this reliance on the physical world!!?!?!
- [00:04:36] * pnhChris needs a rel="met-virutal"
- [00:04:37] <pnhChris>
:P
- [00:05:07] <vbgunz>
pnhChris: because in the physical world you don't have enemies :)
- [00:05:22] <pnhChris>
maybe /you/ don't :P
- [00:05:39] <vbgunz>
I live where cotton candy grows on trees :)
- [00:06:44] * pnhChris waits for the second lifers to chime in
- [00:07:05] * pnhChris doesn't have any enemies either.. unless they haven't told me
- [00:16:17] <vbgunz>
what does the "h" in hReview, hCalendar, hCard mean?
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- [00:19:26] <pnhChris>
happy
- [00:19:36] <pnhChris>
[or html]
- [00:19:41] <pnhChris>
[you can decide]
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- [00:21:01] <vbgunz>
ok, I decide then it is hFriendly :)
- [00:21:28] <JamieKnight>
could it be hypertext?
- [00:23:10] <vbgunz>
maybe
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- [00:36:31] <kingryan>
the h stands for html
- [00:37:28] <vbgunz>
awesome, that would make the most sense
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- [00:39:21] <mfbot>
[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13463 * NoelJackson * (+76) New Examples -
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- [01:02:08] <pnhChris>
didn't believe me, huh
- [01:02:10] <pnhChris>
:P
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- [02:25:02] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [05:24:45] <samyak>
Hi All,
- [05:26:42] <veeliam>
hello
- [05:27:33] <mfbot>
[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13464 * MikeJohnson * (+231) Service Publishing of Music -
- [05:27:39] <samyak>
I had some queries about hProduct microformat ?
- [05:28:42] <samyak>
Wanted to know is it ready tobe used in our application ? I mean to say is it ready for use ... or still a draft ?
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- [05:33:09] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [05:33:48] <samyak>
folks nobody for hProduct mf ?
- [05:36:18] <mfbot>
[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13465 * MikeJohnson * (+27) Service Publishing of Music -
- [06:08:32] <veeliam>
samyak, it's still draft
- [06:10:19] <samyak>
:) , thanks :)
- [06:10:29] <veeliam>
np
- [06:13:03] <samyak>
I have one more obvious question ? when it would be ready ... or even in beta ... actually I am making a new frontend for old opensource ecom web application and would love to send expect data in the mf hProduct or hListing
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- [06:23:30] <mfbot>
[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13466 * MikeJohnson * (+1903) Service Publishing of Music -
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- [06:24:33] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
- [06:27:13] <TylerR>
Evening tantek.
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- [07:11:32] <mfbot>
[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=13467 * Chris Messina * (+129) added coworking and barcamp sandbox examples
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- [08:09:27] <jibot>
bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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- [08:15:43] <jibot>
drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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- [09:56:37] <jibot>
BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [12:04:04] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-authoring-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-authoring-fr&diff=0&oldid=13468 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5) Trouver les Events -
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[[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13469 * Adactio * (+31) Attending -
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- [12:31:23] <drewinthehead>
hey adactio
- [12:31:34] <adactio>
Howdy Drew
- [12:32:40] <drewinthehead>
good news r.e. XTech 2007
- [12:38:57] <mfbot>
[[events/2007-05-16-XTech]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-05-16-XTech * Adactio * (+909)
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=13470 * Adactio * (+158) Upcoming -
- [12:41:28] <adactio>
Yes. Microformats represent!
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- [13:01:06] <jibot>
ChrisHeilmann is Christian Heilmann, physically located in London and at http://wait-till-i.com
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- [13:51:31] <trovster>
drewinthehead: How's it goin' ?
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- [13:52:34] <trovster>
drewinthehead: How's it goin' ?
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- [13:53:35] <trovster>
Wanna get on to one of your Flickr friends and force 'em to create a group photos RSS feed?
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
- [14:10:44] <mfbot>
[[events-fr/2007-05-16-XTech]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events-fr/2007-05-16-XTech * ChristopheDucamp * (+1108) fr : traduction
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[[events-fr/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13471 * ChristopheDucamp * (+31) Seront présents - ajout jeremy keith
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[[events-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=13472 * ChristopheDucamp * (+435) A venir : - sync'd
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[[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=13473 * Thibaud * (+181) Implementations -
- [14:26:26] <mfbot>
[[events-fr/2007-02-17-barcamplondon2]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events-fr/2007-02-17-barcamplondon2 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1112)
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
- [14:40:44] <drewinthehead>
hey trovster
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- [14:50:37] <jibot>
Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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- [14:53:23] <drewinthehead>
hey Phae
- [14:53:36] <ChrisHeilmann>
Phae
- [14:53:45] <Phae>
hy guys
- [14:53:49] <Phae>
er. yeah.
- [15:00:23] <pnhChris>
what, i don't get a hey? :(
- [15:00:53] <Phae>
They're fickle.
- [15:01:08] <drewinthehead>
hey pnhChris :)
- [15:01:26] * drewinthehead is both fickle and a whore
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- [15:02:25] <drewinthehead>
has anyone been following any of the OpenID + hCard stuff? I'm behind.
- [15:02:26] <Phae>
everyone having a productive day then?
- [15:02:38] <Phae>
Only from really afar. I've been busy the last couple weeks.
- [15:02:40] <ChrisHeilmann>
is proud as punch: http://www.pebbleroad.com/events/view/dom_scripting_and_ajax_workshop_with_christian_heilmann/
- [15:02:41] <pnhChris>
preparing for one
- [15:03:20] <Phae>
I was talking to a guy in here the other day playing with collecting and auto filling forms with hcard info the other day, drew.
- [15:03:31] <Phae>
being dense i forgot who it was, but he was interested in the demo you did at barcamp
- [15:03:40] * Phae will check the logs.
- [15:04:15] <pnhChris>
sounds like drew :P
- [15:04:17] <drewinthehead>
that's another thing I should do ... publish that stuff somewhere discoverable
- [15:04:31] <ChrisHeilmann>
yui blog
- [15:04:32] <ChrisHeilmann>
:)
- [15:05:07] <Phae>
yes, do that. because i had a quick look for it and couldn't find it
- [15:05:12] <Phae>
:(
- [15:05:26] <drewinthehead>
interesting to see two different javascript parsing libraries pop up in the last couple of weeks
- [15:09:32] <Phae>
consider yourself poked, drew.
- [15:09:52] <drewinthehead>
gosh
- [15:10:06] <ChrisHeilmann>
I poked him for you
- [15:10:13] <Phae>
thank you :)
- [15:12:06] <drewinthehead>
remind me what the poke was for?
- [15:12:14] <Phae>
I sent you an email, it'll make sense.
- [15:12:20] <ChrisHeilmann>
points at frances and looks innocent
- [15:13:16] * Phae wonders how she got on a thread discussing sports and microformats
- [15:13:25] <Phae>
can't think of a subject i know less about than sports
- [15:13:57] <drewinthehead>
ah, ok, it all makes sense.
- [15:14:14] <Phae>
good
- [15:15:03] <DanWrong>
drewinthehead: I wish I'd spotted that post before. Could have saved myself some effort.....have you seen the Operator parser?
- [15:15:31] <drewinthehead>
JamieKnight: FYI http://allinthehead.com/demo/autocomplete/
- [15:15:47] * DanWrong is quite pleased with his version...oh well.
- [15:16:32] <drewinthehead>
yup, I'm pretty familiar with Operator, DanWrong :)
- [15:16:43] <Phae>
heh
- [15:16:56] <Phae>
I've been playing with the Webcards extension too
- [15:18:20] <DanWrong>
drewinthehead: sorry, am I being dom? do you work on it?
- [15:18:28] <DanWrong>
or even dim
- [15:18:37] <drewinthehead>
not directly, Dan
- [15:18:40] <drewinthehead>
so, no :)
- [15:18:47] <ChrisHeilmann>
drew has a dom?
- [15:18:59] <DanWrong>
doesn't everyone?
- [15:19:06] <ChrisHeilmann>
drew.setAttribute('haircolour','ginger');
- [15:19:09] <Phae>
heh
- [15:19:09] <ChrisHeilmann>
urgh!
- [15:19:26] <drewinthehead>
this was a bit of a precursor: http://flickr.com/photos/drewm/297963658/
- [15:20:24] <Phae>
just to continue to butt in, Andy posted up the web cards thing to -discuss but I didn't see any replies. I had it on alpha, but haven't had the chance to screenshot and write up my bugs. So, it would be helpful to him if others poked it a bit. http://webcards.whymicroformats.com/
- [15:20:40] <DanWrong>
drewinthehead: so have you seen the parser at all? Michael mailed me about merging the two parsers the other day but heard nothing since.
- [15:21:28] <drewinthehead>
i have, DanWrong, but not recently. i'm hoping this new version is going to be optimised for web use (rather than embedding in tools)
- [15:23:16] * drewinthehead will look at webcards. Andy needs to strtolower() his 'Microformats'
- [15:24:03] <Phae>
:)
- [15:24:05] <DanWrong>
drewinthehead: that is in fact what I'm wondering. I wrote mine more for the web than anything else. If it's going to be reasonably compact I'll probably just kill the Sumo but if it's a 100KB beast then I'll keep Sumo going as it's nice and compact...and is passing most of the hCard tests already.
- [15:24:54] <drewinthehead>
that's great, DanWrong. i'd like to see development of something like this happening more out in the open, so that's good.
- [15:25:39] * DanWrong is going to ramble a bit about it at BarCamp probably
- [15:25:45] <drewinthehead>
there's probably room for more than one solution, provided each has its own target uses
- [15:26:29] <DanWrong>
Michael mentioned there were alot of similar ideas...i'm really curious to see what they've come up with
- [15:28:19] <drewinthehead>
it's the sort of thing that a library is really useful for ... no one wants to have to write their own hCard parser every time
- [15:28:26] <drewinthehead>
turns out it's non-trivial :)
- [15:28:41] <DanWrong>
I wouldn't want to read those specs more than once :)
- [15:29:00] <DanWrong>
ahem, non-trivial is one way of describing it :)
- [15:29:35] <DanWrong>
actually, it's all fine but hCards are rather fiddly with the implied values and stuff
- [15:30:04] <Phae>
nice for publishers though, eh? :D
- [15:32:03] <drewinthehead>
yeah, that's the thing. it's all the patterns and implied this that and the other
- [15:33:38] <drewinthehead>
DanWrong: the sumo testSuite links a testRunner javascript resource, but I don't think that's in the repos
- [15:34:04] <KevinMarks>
who was asking about openid and hcard?
- [15:34:15] <DanWrong>
ah, okay cool...I'll check it
- [15:35:16] <drewinthehead>
that was me, KevinMarks
- [15:35:52] <DanWrong>
drewinthehead: hmm, everything is there as it should be....what's it erroring on?
- [15:35:58] <KevinMarks>
Chris M and I spent some time with the openid developers last week and they were very into the idea
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- [15:37:03] <drewinthehead>
DanWrong: in testSuite.html runner has no properties (on runner.isReady)
- [15:37:14] <drewinthehead>
how'd that go, KevinMarks?
- [15:37:24] <drewinthehead>
hey mkaply
- [15:37:55] <KevinMarks>
the basic idea is, put your hCard on your openid URL page
- [15:38:09] <Phae>
That's always been the idea, hasn't it?
- [15:38:46] <KevinMarks>
chris also has a page up which links to other people's URLs with xfn, so you can convey social network too
- [15:39:02] <drewinthehead>
it has indeed, but i think the openID folk are making up their own version
- [15:39:10] <Phae>
oh, okay.
- [15:39:38] <KevinMarks>
the openid guys we spoke to were into it; there ae other openid people doing other things too
- [15:39:48] <DanWrong>
drewinthehead: you need to open test/index.html rather than testSuite.html (j3unit is confusingly different to JSUnit it seems)
- [15:40:21] <drewinthehead>
am doing, DanWrong, but it's testSuite.html that's erroring. probably doesn't matter, I shouldn't need to run that anyway :)
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- [15:40:55] <Phae>
It's good to know they're talking about it on that side of the camp though
- [15:41:27] <drewinthehead>
indeed
- [15:42:15] <drewinthehead>
so is it passing the hCard test suite, DanWrong?
- [15:42:16] <Phae>
It's a vague incentive to have a blogroll. I have my domain as my openID with a hcard already.
- [15:42:56] <KevinMarks>
also the rel="me" aspects of XFN are promising
- [15:43:11] <Phae>
right
- [15:43:42] <Phae>
chris m = messina, btw?
- [15:45:03] <KevinMarks>
yes
- [15:45:17] <Phae>
coo'. he's at barcamp this weekend, hopefully.
- [15:45:59] * drewinthehead is sorry to be missing barcamplondon2
- [15:46:35] <Phae>
there's still time, if we can twist your arm
- [15:47:08] <KevinMarks>
can we get a squad to webcast it?
- [15:47:28] <KevinMarks>
I can provide instructions and login's to joi's reflector
- [15:47:42] <Phae>
dunno, maybe. not sure who's got the kit to do it well though
- [15:48:00] <KevinMarks>
well, you need a mac and a camera
- [15:48:16] <KevinMarks>
external iSight is good, DV camera is better
- [15:48:38] <KevinMarks>
built-in iSight is less good as it is always pointing at you
- [15:48:51] <KevinMarks>
and always gets keyboard noise
- [15:49:16] <Phae>
hmm, I see.
- [15:49:28] <adactio>
I have an external iSight I can bring.
- [15:49:41] <drewinthehead>
webcast would be awesome. it's not so much getting a ticket, more that I've got masses of work to do
- [15:49:44] <Phae>
ahh
- [15:50:08] <adactio>
C'mon Drew, it's going to like a summer camp for Microformateers. :-)
- [15:50:15] <drewinthehead>
plus a funeral down in brighton on sunday
- [15:50:27] <Phae>
Yeah, it is. We have plans!
- [15:50:30] <KevinMarks>
I'd love to come but am on the wrong contintnet for a change
- [15:50:37] * Phae isn't entirely privvy to said plans yet, but assumes the best.
- [15:50:42] <drewinthehead>
we should have a proper microformats summer camp.
- [15:50:50] <Phae>
that'd be cute
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in tents.
- [15:51:05] <Phae>
vCamp
- [15:51:15] <KevinMarks>
barcamp Sf streaming http://media.ito.com/kevinmarks/chris.girlfriends.mov
- [15:53:14] <KevinMarks>
I put up som videos from last thursdays one, but they are gappy
- [15:53:21] <KevinMarks>
the ones I did of bloggercon are better
- [15:53:53] <DanWrong>
drewinthehead: no, I've not put all of the hcard tests in yet (but it might do)
- [15:55:40] <drewinthehead>
that's still pretty impressive, DanWrong. playing with it now.
- [15:56:26] <DanWrong>
the core code hasnt changed for ages, getting it to pass the tests was more of a case of tweaking the definitions
- [15:56:47] <DanWrong>
well, I started it last wednesday so ages is relative :)
- [15:58:26] <DanWrong>
there's still a way to go with it
- [15:59:51] <drewinthehead>
getting some weird errors. are they any dependancies?
- [16:00:47] <DanWrong>
no, it should run as is...j3unit only works on firefox though...which is crap....I should change over
- [16:01:23] <DanWrong>
let me know what errors you are getting...would be most help
- [16:01:27] <DanWrong>
...ful
- [16:01:36] <drewinthehead>
i'm getting Prototype is not defined on line 25 of microformat.js
- [16:02:33] <DanWrong>
ah, okay, i know what that is...one mo
- [16:03:16] <drewinthehead>
:)
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- [16:05:44] <DanWrong>
drewinthehead: svn up now and you should be fine
- [16:06:06] <drewinthehead>
w00t, thanks DanWrong
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- [16:06:55] <DanWrong>
that's hacky code to stop Prototype changing bits of core objects....:(
- [16:07:11] <drewinthehead>
this is awesome.
- [16:07:24] <DanWrong>
just playing using Firebug?
- [16:07:33] <drewinthehead>
yeah
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console.log(HCard.discover());
- [16:08:56] <drewinthehead>
this is really nice work
- [16:10:30] <DanWrong>
if you find anything it's not doing properly then let me know...I've only really had half an eye on microformats so there's probably stuff ive missed
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monkinetic is redmonk is SteveIvy is Steve Ivy - http://redmonk.net
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- [16:12:26] <drewinthehead>
if I get the chance, I'll try wiring it up with a more full version of the autocomplete demo http://allinthehead.com/demo/autocomplete/
- [16:14:32] <DanWrong>
cool, let me know how it goes
- [16:15:35] <DanWrong>
ill get the rest of the tests in over the weekend (it'll keep me amused while the thousand games of werewolf occur)
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- [16:18:24] <Phae>
you'll be playing, Dan
- [16:18:51] <DanWrong>
pah! in all reality....i'll be in the pub
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- [16:20:26] <Phae>
:P
- [16:22:05] <drewinthehead>
mmm the pub
- [16:22:09] <HenrichP>
hy ...
- [16:22:46] <HenrichP>
I was asked by another list participant to put my proposal on the wiki, which I did and he edited.
- [16:23:12] <HenrichP>
now I am reading that somedays ago someone pointed out that thi is not following the process ...
- [16:23:31] <pnhChris>
looging off to get work done...
- [16:23:35] <drewinthehead>
what's the wiki page, HenrichP?
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- [16:23:41] <HenrichP>
.. am I closer to the process if I add also an example page.
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http://microformats.org/wiki/digitalsignature-brainstorming
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+ http://microformats.org/wiki/digital-signatures
- [16:25:00] <drewinthehead>
right, the examples page is important
- [16:25:21] <HenrichP>
I will add that than, and start filling it.
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- [16:25:47] <drewinthehead>
there's no justification for a new format unless people are already publishing that type of data widely
- [16:25:59] <drewinthehead>
great
- [16:26:13] <Phae>
you gotta go with the whole hunter-gatherer instincts
- [16:28:03] <drewinthehead>
also, be prepared for people to tell you there's no need for such a thing. it's not personal, it's all part of the song and dance. if you have a strong enough argument to say a new format should exist then it will be seriously considered.
- [16:28:32] <drewinthehead>
but often it feels like a personal attack ;) it's not :)
- [16:30:03] <drewinthehead>
gotta fly ... back later
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gotta go home now
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- [17:25:08] <mkaply>
briansuda: When we were discussing tag, you mentioned that you didn't like using title because the information was "hidden", correct?
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- [17:26:05] <briansuda>
no i don't think so?
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- [17:27:07] <tantek>
this is interesting: http://eran.sandler.co.il/2007/02/13/yahoo-pipes-microformats-and-extendability/
- [17:27:53] <briansuda>
tantek, that is this weekend's BarCampLondon Project for Chris Messina and I :)
- [17:29:09] <briansuda>
step1) technorati kitchen search results -> RSS
- [17:29:19] <briansuda>
step 2) do somthing with pipes ???
- [17:29:24] <briansuda>
step 3) profit
- [17:31:32] <tantek>
perhaps if drop a gentle suggestion to kingryan to add hAtom to technorati kitchen, then you might find your task a bit easier (just use Atom)
- [17:32:05] <briansuda>
yeah, i should - at the moment there is a dappit to get RSS or Atom out
- [17:32:45] <tantek>
isn't there an hAtom -> Atom converter already though?
- [17:32:50] <tantek>
how about reusing some building blocks ;)
- [17:33:10] <tantek>
also - I believe adactio has an even more fun project waiting for you and any other microformats attendees at barcamp
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- [17:33:48] <adactio>
Yes (rubs hands)
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All will be revealed at BarCamp.
- [17:35:10] <briansuda>
hm, kicthen doesn't seem to have any search results at the moment?
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http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search/london
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http://tools.microformatic.com/transcode/rss/hatom/http://www.example.com converts hAtom to Atom
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By are drew
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- [17:38:42] <anselxyz>
hi everyone.. i tried to send a message to the microformats-new list yesterday afternoon, but it has evaporated into the ether. any ideas?
- [17:39:25] <briansuda>
did you sent it as TXT or HTML?
- [17:39:33] <anselxyz>
text
- [17:39:36] <briansuda>
and are you subscribed to the list?
- [17:39:41] <anselxyz>
yup
- [17:40:50] <anselxyz>
ah, perhaps it was sent out under a different outgoing address. i will retry.
- [17:45:35] <tantek>
see the FAQ also
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wow, I just tried the hAtom converter, it's awesome!
- [17:46:27] <julianstahnke>
but it doesn't seem to pick up the author?
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my bad on the list. thanks, guys.
- [17:49:42] <briansuda>
got it
- [17:51:28] <trovster>
Hey julianstahnke, just a thought - http://www.last.fm/event/27292 -- the 'reviews' simply link to your journal, but they must be flagged as a review for them to appear in that list specifically... mark that journal is a hreview?
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yes, that's planned
- [17:55:19] <trovster>
Ah, sweet.
- [17:55:45] <julianstahnke>
it's just that at the moment, there is no time and the template is kinda not flexible enough for that
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- [18:09:36] * mkaply wonders if he should be ending all tag request URLs with a slash
- [18:09:56] <kingryan>
mkaply: who requested that?
- [18:11:28] <mkaply>
kingryan: I don't remember. When I first put up operator, I got a note from a technorati person requesting that I put the slash on the end.
- [18:11:37] <kingryan>
ah, ok
- [18:11:52] <mkaply>
sorry, requesting that I remove the slash
- [18:11:57] <mkaply>
They didn't like me putting it on.
- [18:12:03] <kingryan>
we'll we've been working on making our URLs more consistent, but I thought we'd decided to go with no slash on the end of tags
- [18:12:05] <kingryan>
ah, ok
- [18:12:20] <kingryan>
that would be more consistent with common practice
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mkaply, just request the URL and see if it redirect to the page with the slash
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[[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=13484 * ChristopheDucamp * (+62)
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[[recipe-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13485 * Tantek * (-85)
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[[hatom-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-fr&diff=0&oldid=13486 * ChristopheDucamp * (+893) Exemples dans la jungle - synchro
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[[recipe]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe&diff=0&oldid=13487 * Tantek * (+241) remove redirect and put top level outline content
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[[recipe]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe&diff=0&oldid=13488 * Tantek * (-12) fix links
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[[hatom-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-fr&diff=0&oldid=13489 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) Implémentations - sync'd
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briansuda: Did you make changes in X2V to not always put UID and DTSTAMP in anymore?
- [20:07:34] <briansuda>
anymore? i don't think it did automatically
- [20:08:00] <mkaply>
briansuda: I thought it did before because Outlook 2003 requires those for import.
- [20:08:34] <briansuda>
i have it automatically put METHOD and ??? in the VCALENDAR, but nothing in VEVENT
- [20:09:20] <mkaply>
Ah. I know what it is. I thought it was you that did that. Robert de Bruin did that change to your files for Tails Export
- [20:09:34] <mkaply>
<!-- Robert de Bruin, ugly hack for bug in Outlook. -->
- [20:09:34] <mkaply>
<xsl:text>
UID:</xsl:text>
- [20:09:34] <mkaply>
<xsl:text>
DTSTAMP:19990101T010000Z</xsl:text>
- [20:09:51] <briansuda>
yeah, i have found in an RFC update
- [20:09:59] <briansuda>
that UID and DTSTAMP are required
- [20:10:32] <briansuda>
so i'm not sure exactly what to do yet?
- [20:10:47] <mkaply>
I'm wondering what to set DTSTAMP to if it doesn't exist? current date/time?
- [20:11:04] <briansuda>
i THINK DTSTAMP is used to see if the event needs updating
- [20:11:49] <briansuda>
if the UIDs match then it uses the most recent time stamp
- [20:12:15] <mkaply>
ah
- [20:12:38] <mkaply>
So it really doesn't matter what it is. Tails hardcodes it. I could make it my birthday. A little easter egg :)
- [20:14:24] <briansuda>
yes, BUT more recent data COULD then be replaced by older less correct data from a different site
- [20:14:28] <briansuda>
it is an edge case
- [20:14:38] <briansuda>
UIDs are another story
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- [20:15:28] <briansuda>
the TAG URI scheme is very good at avoiding collisions.
- [20:15:51] <briansuda>
but we shouldn't use too much default data
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- [20:21:38] <mkaply>
my birthday isn't that recent :)
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- [20:36:53] <briansuda>
mkaply any other issues? (or should i ask, any issues now?)
- [20:38:01] <mkaply>
briansuda: I don't think so. I've been looking at RRULE but it kind of scares me.
- [20:38:25] <mkaply>
Does outlook accept the RRULE stuff?
- [20:38:29] <briansuda>
yeah, it is a handful
- [20:38:49] <briansuda>
not sure? you can create a quick test and export/import and see what happens
- [20:38:59] <briansuda>
round-trip it
- [20:40:10] <mkaply>
duration is kind of painful as well
- [20:40:50] <briansuda>
to parse it yes
- [20:41:48] <briansuda>
that sort of gets to the 80% issue
- [20:42:06] <briansuda>
it is not a popular feature so don't spend too much time on it
- [20:42:40] <mkaply>
if rrule is there, outlook 2003 won't load at all.
- [20:44:20] <briansuda>
you should test it with an ics file you KNOW works in other calendars to make sure it isn't an issue with just the current file
- [20:45:27] <mkaply>
I mainly need duration for yahoo - although they just want hours
- [20:45:42] <briansuda>
it is an alternative to DTEND
- [20:46:14] <mkaply>
yahoo calendar won't accept a dtstart/dtend combo - it still wants Duration. it's annoying
- [20:46:29] <mkaply>
near as I can tell since they don't publish their API
- [20:47:01] <briansuda>
hm, i can ask around to see if there is an un-official API
- [20:47:18] <briansuda>
if you find issues with Outlook's RRULE can you add it here:
- [20:47:19] <briansuda>
http://microformats.org/wiki/icalendar-implementations
- [20:48:12] <mkaply>
There's very little doc on Yahoo Calendar anywhere. I'm going to contact the product manager and see if he can help.
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- [20:56:25] <kingryan>
mkaply: feel free to document the API on the wiki
- [20:56:47] <mkaply>
kingryan: I'm hoping to get Yahoo! to do that :)
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13490 * JoseParrella * (+352) Adding UN/LOCODEs request for support
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- [23:18:37] <tantek>
who here is attending SXSW?
- [23:19:01] * kingryan raises hand
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- [23:19:14] <Phae>
me!
- [23:19:18] <Phae>
oh wait. you know that.
- [23:19:28] <pnhChris>
whoa
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- [23:19:40] <Phae>
heh
- [23:19:44] <Phae>
great reaction, chris.
- [23:19:48] <pnhChris>
haha
- [23:19:55] <pnhChris>
to what? couldn't see anything
- [23:19:57] <pnhChris>
:P
- [23:20:12] <pnhChris>
[hit with the colloquy doesn't show anything in the channel bug.. for the first time in months]
- [23:20:22] <kingryan>
ouch
- [23:20:23] <Phae>
tantek asked who was going to SXSW, and I said me! and you just went "whoa" and quit.
- [23:20:30] <pnhChris>
haha
- [23:20:45] <mfbot>
[[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13491 * RyanKing * (+29)
- [23:20:47] <Phae>
nm. continue.
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- [23:21:16] <tantek>
Phae, you made his IRC client faint.
- [23:21:18] <pnhChris>
as for me... its going to be a last minute call
- [23:21:20] <Phae>
heh
- [23:21:34] <pnhChris>
stars aren't aligning
- [23:21:40] <pnhChris>
silly client projects
- [23:21:58] <tantek>
add urselves as Ryan just did: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of
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- [23:22:07] <tantek>
pnhChris - then put in a maybe
- [23:22:20] <tantek>
like (maybe, last minute call)
- [23:22:25] <tantek>
hello dbaron
- [23:22:48] <tantek>
what brings you to the frontier of inner(format)space?
- [23:23:13] <dbaron>
nothing in particular
- [23:23:21] <dbaron>
and hello
- [23:23:33] * tantek wonders if anyone else here remembers (or even rode) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_Thru_Inner_Space
- [23:24:27] <Phae>
no, but I watched the film innerspace again the other day. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093260/
- [23:24:56] <pnhChris>
that Martin Short!
- [23:25:02] <tantek>
?def dbaron
- [23:25:35] <tantek>
KevinMarks could you reinvite jibot?
- [23:25:51] <tantek>
dbaron has a an hCard at dbaron.org
- [23:26:06] <Phae>
swish
- [23:26:16] <kingryan>
http://kitchen.technorati.com/contact/search/dbaron
- [23:27:45] <tantek>
dbaron - you could improve your hCard by tagging a bunch of the rel-tag friendly links that you have
- [23:27:55] <briansuda>
kingryan, any chance we can see hAtom on that page?
- [23:28:00] <kingryan>
yes
- [23:28:16] <kingryan>
that actually brings up a question I have....
- [23:28:23] <tantek>
dbaron, e.g. this link: <a href="http://dbaron.org/mozilla/">involved</a>
- [23:28:53] <tantek>
could be slightly modified to: <a rel="tag" href="http://dbaron.org/mozilla/">involved</a> and that would tag your hCard with "mozilla"
- [23:29:01] <kingryan>
so we have contacts and events services (based on x2v) at http://technorati.com/contacts/ and http://technorati.com/events/ respectively
- [23:29:10] <kingryan>
if we added one for hAtom, what should we call it?
- [23:29:10] <dbaron>
tantek, not with "involved"?
- [23:29:30] <kingryan>
no, dbaron it's the URL that counts for the tag
- [23:29:32] <tantek>
correct, that's how the rel-tag standard works - it uses the last segment of the URL - per the pattern established by popular services
- [23:29:45] <tantek>
and this too: <a href="http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS">CSS</a>
- [23:30:06] <tantek>
could be: <a rel="tag" href="http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS">CSS</a>
- [23:30:15] <tantek>
and this: <a href="http://www.deas.harvard.edu/undergradstudy/computerscience/">Computer Science</a>
- [23:30:24] <tantek>
could be: <a rel="tag" href="http://www.deas.harvard.edu/undergradstudy/computerscience/">Computer Science</a>
- [23:31:01] <dbaron>
wow, seems a little hard to use if the url isn't what you want it to be, but interesting...
- [23:31:24] <dbaron>
is rel="tag" part of hCard now, or a separate microformat?
- [23:31:37] <kingryan>
dbaron: yes :D
- [23:31:39] <briansuda>
kingryan, i'd say feeds
- [23:31:52] <briansuda>
but i meant hAtom mark-up on the search results page
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- [23:32:01] <kingryan>
briansuda: so then you'd have http://feeds.technorati.com/feeds/$url
- [23:32:17] <dbaron>
kingryan, ok, I'll ask it another way. Where's the spec for rel="tag" ?
- [23:32:25] <kingryan>
http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag
- [23:32:28] <dbaron>
thanks
- [23:32:59] <briansuda>
yeah, that is a bad URL
- [23:33:13] <briansuda>
i would avoid "atom" and avoid "rss"
- [23:33:18] <kingryan>
briansuda: I know, you question reminded me of this
- [23:33:43] <tantek>
dbaron, you could even go further by expanding upon your about link and page
- [23:33:52] <tantek>
e.g. this: <a href="about">more about me</a>
- [23:34:10] <dbaron>
tantek, I don't have time to rewrite my Web page right now, though. :-)
- [23:34:11] <tantek>
could become this: <a href="about" class="url uid">more about me</a>
- [23:34:21] <tantek>
these are minor edits!
- [23:34:24] <tantek>
:)
- [23:34:32] <tantek>
i'm giving you the diffs too :)
- [23:34:45] <dbaron>
I'm still looking for a profile URL for rel-tag :-)
- [23:34:59] <briansuda>
http://feeds.technorati.com/news/$url
- [23:37:50] <mfbot>
[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13492 * Tantek * (+124) write [[rel-tag-profile]], send to dbaron
- [23:38:02] <tantek>
dbaron, will do
- [23:38:22] <tantek>
this page is particularly setup for rich hCarding: http://dbaron.org/about
- [23:38:33] <dbaron>
I just linked to http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag#XMDP_profile , although I'm not a big fan of escaped profiles :-)
- [23:39:13] <dbaron>
tantek, IIRC, it was missing one really key piece of information, although I don't remember what...
- [23:39:17] <tantek>
and if you are really up for a semantic markup challenge, add hResume http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume to your about page - since it is effectively a prose resume.
- [23:39:47] * dbaron goes to add a few countries to the map
- [23:39:57] <dbaron>
oh, and flights
- [23:40:06] <tantek>
ooh and XFN too
- [23:40:16] <tantek>
e.g. this link: <A HREF="http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron/">My father</A>
- [23:40:33] <tantek>
could be: <A REL="parent" HREF="http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron/">My father</A>
- [23:40:45] <tantek>
XFN profile is here BTW: http://gmpg.org/xfn/11
- [23:41:14] <tantek>
and plenty more opportunities for tags on the about page as well
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