IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-13

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  1. [00:04:17] <pnhChris> whats with this reliance on the physical world!!?!?!
  2. [00:04:36] * pnhChris needs a rel="met-virutal"
  3. [00:04:37] <pnhChris> :P
  4. [00:05:07] <vbgunz> pnhChris: because in the physical world you don't have enemies :)
  5. [00:05:22] <pnhChris> maybe /you/ don't :P
  6. [00:05:39] <vbgunz> I live where cotton candy grows on trees :)
  7. [00:06:44] * pnhChris waits for the second lifers to chime in
  8. [00:07:05] * pnhChris doesn't have any enemies either.. unless they haven't told me
  9. [00:16:17] <vbgunz> what does the "h" in hReview, hCalendar, hCard mean?
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  11. [00:19:26] <pnhChris> happy
  12. [00:19:36] <pnhChris> [or html]
  13. [00:19:41] <pnhChris> [you can decide]
  14. [00:20:50] * JamieKnight imagine the AOL voice "you've got hatemail"
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  16. [00:21:01] <vbgunz> ok, I decide then it is hFriendly :)
  17. [00:21:28] <JamieKnight> could it be hypertext?
  18. [00:23:10] <vbgunz> maybe
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  20. [00:36:31] <kingryan> the h stands for html
  21. [00:37:28] <vbgunz> awesome, that would make the most sense
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  23. [00:39:21] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13463 * NoelJackson * (+76) New Examples -
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  30. [01:02:08] <pnhChris> didn't believe me, huh
  31. [01:02:10] <pnhChris> :P
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  42. [02:25:02] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  54. [05:24:45] <samyak> Hi All,
  55. [05:26:42] <veeliam> hello
  56. [05:27:33] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13464 * MikeJohnson * (+231) Service Publishing of Music -
  57. [05:27:39] <samyak> I had some queries about hProduct microformat ?
  58. [05:28:42] <samyak> Wanted to know is it ready tobe used in our application ? I mean to say is it ready for use ... or still a draft ?
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  62. [05:33:09] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  63. [05:33:48] <samyak> folks nobody for hProduct mf ?
  64. [05:36:18] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13465 * MikeJohnson * (+27) Service Publishing of Music -
  65. [06:08:32] <veeliam> samyak, it's still draft
  66. [06:10:19] <samyak> :) , thanks :)
  67. [06:10:29] <veeliam> np
  68. [06:13:03] <samyak> I have one more obvious question ? when it would be ready ... or even in beta ... actually I am making a new frontend for old opensource ecom web application and would love to send expect data in the mf hProduct or hListing
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  75. [06:24:33] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  76. [06:27:13] <TylerR> Evening tantek.
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  79. [07:11:32] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=13467 * Chris Messina * (+129) added coworking and barcamp sandbox examples
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  90. [08:09:27] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  95. [08:15:43] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  106. [09:01:27] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  112. [09:56:37] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  116. [10:13:36] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  122. [11:02:22] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  126. [12:04:04] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-authoring-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-authoring-fr&diff=0&oldid=13468 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5) Trouver les Events -
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  128. [12:29:27] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13469 * Adactio * (+31) Attending -
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  131. [12:31:23] <drewinthehead> hey adactio
  132. [12:31:34] <adactio> Howdy Drew
  133. [12:32:40] <drewinthehead> good news r.e. XTech 2007
  134. [12:38:57] <mfbot> [[events/2007-05-16-XTech]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-05-16-XTech * Adactio * (+909)
  135. [12:39:23] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=13470 * Adactio * (+158) Upcoming -
  136. [12:41:28] <adactio> Yes. Microformats represent!
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  144. [13:01:06] <jibot> ChrisHeilmann is Christian Heilmann, physically located in London and at http://wait-till-i.com
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  156. [13:51:31] <trovster> drewinthehead: How's it goin' ?
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  159. [13:52:34] <trovster> drewinthehead: How's it goin' ?
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  161. [13:53:35] <trovster> Wanna get on to one of your Flickr friends and force 'em to create a group photos RSS feed?
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  165. [14:08:38] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
  166. [14:10:44] <mfbot> [[events-fr/2007-05-16-XTech]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events-fr/2007-05-16-XTech * ChristopheDucamp * (+1108) fr : traduction
  167. [14:12:00] <mfbot> [[events-fr/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13471 * ChristopheDucamp * (+31) Seront présents - ajout jeremy keith
  168. [14:19:55] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=13472 * ChristopheDucamp * (+435) A venir : - sync'd
  169. [14:20:06] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=13473 * Thibaud * (+181) Implementations -
  170. [14:26:26] <mfbot> [[events-fr/2007-02-17-barcamplondon2]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events-fr/2007-02-17-barcamplondon2 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1112)
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  173. [14:30:20] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
  174. [14:40:44] <drewinthehead> hey trovster
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  179. [14:50:37] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  182. [14:53:23] <drewinthehead> hey Phae
  183. [14:53:36] <ChrisHeilmann> Phae
  184. [14:53:45] <Phae> hy guys
  185. [14:53:49] <Phae> er. yeah.
  186. [15:00:23] <pnhChris> what, i don't get a hey? :(
  187. [15:00:53] <Phae> They're fickle.
  188. [15:01:08] <drewinthehead> hey pnhChris :)
  189. [15:01:26] * drewinthehead is both fickle and a whore
  190. [15:01:36] * Phae just had a technician under her desk.
  191. [15:01:56] * drewinthehead withholds from passing comment
  192. [15:02:25] <drewinthehead> has anyone been following any of the OpenID + hCard stuff? I'm behind.
  193. [15:02:26] <Phae> everyone having a productive day then?
  194. [15:02:38] <Phae> Only from really afar. I've been busy the last couple weeks.
  195. [15:02:40] <ChrisHeilmann> is proud as punch: http://www.pebbleroad.com/events/view/dom_scripting_and_ajax_workshop_with_christian_heilmann/
  196. [15:02:41] <pnhChris> preparing for one
  197. [15:03:20] <Phae> I was talking to a guy in here the other day playing with collecting and auto filling forms with hcard info the other day, drew.
  198. [15:03:31] <Phae> being dense i forgot who it was, but he was interested in the demo you did at barcamp
  199. [15:03:40] * Phae will check the logs.
  200. [15:04:15] <pnhChris> sounds like drew :P
  201. [15:04:17] <drewinthehead> that's another thing I should do ... publish that stuff somewhere discoverable
  202. [15:04:31] <ChrisHeilmann> yui blog
  203. [15:04:32] <ChrisHeilmann> :)
  204. [15:05:07] <Phae> yes, do that. because i had a quick look for it and couldn't find it
  205. [15:05:12] <Phae> :(
  206. [15:05:26] <drewinthehead> interesting to see two different javascript parsing libraries pop up in the last couple of weeks
  207. [15:09:32] <Phae> consider yourself poked, drew.
  208. [15:09:52] <drewinthehead> gosh
  209. [15:10:06] <ChrisHeilmann> I poked him for you
  210. [15:10:13] <Phae> thank you :)
  211. [15:12:06] <drewinthehead> remind me what the poke was for?
  212. [15:12:14] <Phae> I sent you an email, it'll make sense.
  213. [15:12:20] <ChrisHeilmann> points at frances and looks innocent
  214. [15:13:16] * Phae wonders how she got on a thread discussing sports and microformats
  215. [15:13:25] <Phae> can't think of a subject i know less about than sports
  216. [15:13:57] <drewinthehead> ah, ok, it all makes sense.
  217. [15:14:14] <Phae> good
  218. [15:15:03] <DanWrong> drewinthehead: I wish I'd spotted that post before. Could have saved myself some effort.....have you seen the Operator parser?
  219. [15:15:31] <drewinthehead> JamieKnight: FYI http://allinthehead.com/demo/autocomplete/
  220. [15:15:47] * DanWrong is quite pleased with his version...oh well.
  221. [15:16:32] <drewinthehead> yup, I'm pretty familiar with Operator, DanWrong :)
  222. [15:16:43] <Phae> heh
  223. [15:16:56] <Phae> I've been playing with the Webcards extension too
  224. [15:18:20] <DanWrong> drewinthehead: sorry, am I being dom? do you work on it?
  225. [15:18:28] <DanWrong> or even dim
  226. [15:18:37] <drewinthehead> not directly, Dan
  227. [15:18:40] <drewinthehead> so, no :)
  228. [15:18:47] <ChrisHeilmann> drew has a dom?
  229. [15:18:59] <DanWrong> doesn't everyone?
  230. [15:19:06] <ChrisHeilmann> drew.setAttribute('haircolour','ginger');
  231. [15:19:09] <Phae> heh
  232. [15:19:09] <ChrisHeilmann> urgh!
  233. [15:19:26] <drewinthehead> this was a bit of a precursor: http://flickr.com/photos/drewm/297963658/
  234. [15:20:24] <Phae> just to continue to butt in, Andy posted up the web cards thing to -discuss but I didn't see any replies. I had it on alpha, but haven't had the chance to screenshot and write up my bugs. So, it would be helpful to him if others poked it a bit. http://webcards.whymicroformats.com/
  235. [15:20:40] <DanWrong> drewinthehead: so have you seen the parser at all? Michael mailed me about merging the two parsers the other day but heard nothing since.
  236. [15:21:28] <drewinthehead> i have, DanWrong, but not recently. i'm hoping this new version is going to be optimised for web use (rather than embedding in tools)
  237. [15:23:16] * drewinthehead will look at webcards. Andy needs to strtolower() his 'Microformats'
  238. [15:24:03] <Phae> :)
  239. [15:24:05] <DanWrong> drewinthehead: that is in fact what I'm wondering. I wrote mine more for the web than anything else. If it's going to be reasonably compact I'll probably just kill the Sumo but if it's a 100KB beast then I'll keep Sumo going as it's nice and compact...and is passing most of the hCard tests already.
  240. [15:24:54] <drewinthehead> that's great, DanWrong. i'd like to see development of something like this happening more out in the open, so that's good.
  241. [15:25:39] * DanWrong is going to ramble a bit about it at BarCamp probably
  242. [15:25:45] <drewinthehead> there's probably room for more than one solution, provided each has its own target uses
  243. [15:26:29] <DanWrong> Michael mentioned there were alot of similar ideas...i'm really curious to see what they've come up with
  244. [15:28:19] <drewinthehead> it's the sort of thing that a library is really useful for ... no one wants to have to write their own hCard parser every time
  245. [15:28:26] <drewinthehead> turns out it's non-trivial :)
  246. [15:28:41] <DanWrong> I wouldn't want to read those specs more than once :)
  247. [15:29:00] <DanWrong> ahem, non-trivial is one way of describing it :)
  248. [15:29:35] <DanWrong> actually, it's all fine but hCards are rather fiddly with the implied values and stuff
  249. [15:30:04] <Phae> nice for publishers though, eh? :D
  250. [15:32:03] <drewinthehead> yeah, that's the thing. it's all the patterns and implied this that and the other
  251. [15:33:38] <drewinthehead> DanWrong: the sumo testSuite links a testRunner javascript resource, but I don't think that's in the repos
  252. [15:34:04] <KevinMarks> who was asking about openid and hcard?
  253. [15:34:15] <DanWrong> ah, okay cool...I'll check it
  254. [15:35:16] <drewinthehead> that was me, KevinMarks
  255. [15:35:52] <DanWrong> drewinthehead: hmm, everything is there as it should be....what's it erroring on?
  256. [15:35:58] <KevinMarks> Chris M and I spent some time with the openid developers last week and they were very into the idea
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  258. [15:36:24] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  259. [15:37:03] <drewinthehead> DanWrong: in testSuite.html runner has no properties (on runner.isReady)
  260. [15:37:14] <drewinthehead> how'd that go, KevinMarks?
  261. [15:37:24] <drewinthehead> hey mkaply
  262. [15:37:55] <KevinMarks> the basic idea is, put your hCard on your openid URL page
  263. [15:38:09] <Phae> That's always been the idea, hasn't it?
  264. [15:38:46] <KevinMarks> chris also has a page up which links to other people's URLs with xfn, so you can convey social network too
  265. [15:39:02] <drewinthehead> it has indeed, but i think the openID folk are making up their own version
  266. [15:39:10] <Phae> oh, okay.
  267. [15:39:38] <KevinMarks> the openid guys we spoke to were into it; there ae other openid people doing other things too
  268. [15:39:48] <DanWrong> drewinthehead: you need to open test/index.html rather than testSuite.html (j3unit is confusingly different to JSUnit it seems)
  269. [15:40:21] <drewinthehead> am doing, DanWrong, but it's testSuite.html that's erroring. probably doesn't matter, I shouldn't need to run that anyway :)
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  271. [15:40:40] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  272. [15:40:55] <Phae> It's good to know they're talking about it on that side of the camp though
  273. [15:41:27] <drewinthehead> indeed
  274. [15:42:15] <drewinthehead> so is it passing the hCard test suite, DanWrong?
  275. [15:42:16] <Phae> It's a vague incentive to have a blogroll. I have my domain as my openID with a hcard already.
  276. [15:42:56] <KevinMarks> also the rel="me" aspects of XFN are promising
  277. [15:43:11] <Phae> right
  278. [15:43:42] <Phae> chris m = messina, btw?
  279. [15:45:03] <KevinMarks> yes
  280. [15:45:17] <Phae> coo'. he's at barcamp this weekend, hopefully.
  281. [15:45:59] * drewinthehead is sorry to be missing barcamplondon2
  282. [15:46:35] <Phae> there's still time, if we can twist your arm
  283. [15:47:08] <KevinMarks> can we get a squad to webcast it?
  284. [15:47:28] <KevinMarks> I can provide instructions and login's to joi's reflector
  285. [15:47:42] <Phae> dunno, maybe. not sure who's got the kit to do it well though
  286. [15:48:00] <KevinMarks> well, you need a mac and a camera
  287. [15:48:16] <KevinMarks> external iSight is good, DV camera is better
  288. [15:48:38] <KevinMarks> built-in iSight is less good as it is always pointing at you
  289. [15:48:51] <KevinMarks> and always gets keyboard noise
  290. [15:49:16] <Phae> hmm, I see.
  291. [15:49:28] <adactio> I have an external iSight I can bring.
  292. [15:49:41] <drewinthehead> webcast would be awesome. it's not so much getting a ticket, more that I've got masses of work to do
  293. [15:49:44] <Phae> ahh
  294. [15:50:08] <adactio> C'mon Drew, it's going to like a summer camp for Microformateers. :-)
  295. [15:50:15] <drewinthehead> plus a funeral down in brighton on sunday
  296. [15:50:27] <Phae> Yeah, it is. We have plans!
  297. [15:50:30] <KevinMarks> I'd love to come but am on the wrong contintnet for a change
  298. [15:50:37] * Phae isn't entirely privvy to said plans yet, but assumes the best.
  299. [15:50:42] <drewinthehead> we should have a proper microformats summer camp.
  300. [15:50:50] <Phae> that'd be cute
  301. [15:50:54] <drewinthehead> in tents.
  302. [15:51:05] <Phae> vCamp
  303. [15:51:15] <KevinMarks> barcamp Sf streaming http://media.ito.com/kevinmarks/chris.girlfriends.mov
  304. [15:53:14] <KevinMarks> I put up som videos from last thursdays one, but they are gappy
  305. [15:53:21] <KevinMarks> the ones I did of bloggercon are better
  306. [15:53:53] <DanWrong> drewinthehead: no, I've not put all of the hcard tests in yet (but it might do)
  307. [15:55:40] <drewinthehead> that's still pretty impressive, DanWrong. playing with it now.
  308. [15:56:26] <DanWrong> the core code hasnt changed for ages, getting it to pass the tests was more of a case of tweaking the definitions
  309. [15:56:47] <DanWrong> well, I started it last wednesday so ages is relative :)
  310. [15:58:26] <DanWrong> there's still a way to go with it
  311. [15:59:51] <drewinthehead> getting some weird errors. are they any dependancies?
  312. [16:00:47] <DanWrong> no, it should run as is...j3unit only works on firefox though...which is crap....I should change over
  313. [16:01:23] <DanWrong> let me know what errors you are getting...would be most help
  314. [16:01:27] <DanWrong> ...ful
  315. [16:01:36] <drewinthehead> i'm getting Prototype is not defined on line 25 of microformat.js
  316. [16:02:33] <DanWrong> ah, okay, i know what that is...one mo
  317. [16:03:16] <drewinthehead> :)
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  319. [16:04:34] <jibot> Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
  320. [16:05:44] <DanWrong> drewinthehead: svn up now and you should be fine
  321. [16:06:06] <drewinthehead> w00t, thanks DanWrong
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  323. [16:06:55] <DanWrong> that's hacky code to stop Prototype changing bits of core objects....:(
  324. [16:07:11] <drewinthehead> this is awesome.
  325. [16:07:24] <DanWrong> just playing using Firebug?
  326. [16:07:33] <drewinthehead> yeah
  327. [16:08:08] <drewinthehead> console.log(HCard.discover());
  328. [16:08:56] <drewinthehead> this is really nice work
  329. [16:10:30] <DanWrong> if you find anything it's not doing properly then let me know...I've only really had half an eye on microformats so there's probably stuff ive missed
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  331. [16:10:44] <jibot> monkinetic is redmonk is SteveIvy is Steve Ivy - http://redmonk.net
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  334. [16:12:26] <drewinthehead> if I get the chance, I'll try wiring it up with a more full version of the autocomplete demo http://allinthehead.com/demo/autocomplete/
  335. [16:14:32] <DanWrong> cool, let me know how it goes
  336. [16:15:35] <DanWrong> ill get the rest of the tests in over the weekend (it'll keep me amused while the thousand games of werewolf occur)
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  338. [16:18:24] <Phae> you'll be playing, Dan
  339. [16:18:51] <DanWrong> pah! in all reality....i'll be in the pub
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  341. [16:20:26] <Phae> :P
  342. [16:22:05] <drewinthehead> mmm the pub
  343. [16:22:09] <HenrichP> hy ...
  344. [16:22:46] <HenrichP> I was asked by another list participant to put my proposal on the wiki, which I did and he edited.
  345. [16:23:12] <HenrichP> now I am reading that somedays ago someone pointed out that thi is not following the process ...
  346. [16:23:31] <pnhChris> looging off to get work done...
  347. [16:23:35] <drewinthehead> what's the wiki page, HenrichP?
  348. [16:23:36] * pnhChris (n=cac6982@c-68-39-65-171.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit ()
  349. [16:23:41] <HenrichP> .. am I closer to the process if I add also an example page.
  350. [16:24:11] <HenrichP> http://microformats.org/wiki/digitalsignature-brainstorming
  351. [16:24:40] <HenrichP> + http://microformats.org/wiki/digital-signatures
  352. [16:25:00] <drewinthehead> right, the examples page is important
  353. [16:25:21] <HenrichP> I will add that than, and start filling it.
  354. [16:25:47] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=13474 * HenrichPoehls * (+60) Exploratory Discussions - Digital-Signatures Examples
  355. [16:25:47] <drewinthehead> there's no justification for a new format unless people are already publishing that type of data widely
  356. [16:25:59] <drewinthehead> great
  357. [16:26:13] <Phae> you gotta go with the whole hunter-gatherer instincts
  358. [16:28:03] <drewinthehead> also, be prepared for people to tell you there's no need for such a thing. it's not personal, it's all part of the song and dance. if you have a strong enough argument to say a new format should exist then it will be seriously considered.
  359. [16:28:32] <drewinthehead> but often it feels like a personal attack ;) it's not :)
  360. [16:30:03] <drewinthehead> gotta fly ... back later
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  363. [16:33:49] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  365. [16:35:19] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  374. [16:46:52] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  375. [16:54:09] <mfbot> [[digitalsignature-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/digitalsignature-examples * HenrichPoehls * (+537) Started collecting Examples for digital-signatures
  376. [16:55:28] <HenrichP> gotta go home now
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  380. [17:12:29] <mfbot> [[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13476 * Phae * (+105) New Examples -
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  383. [17:21:00] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=13477 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Problématiques Encodage -
  384. [17:22:06] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=13478 * ChristopheDucamp * (+9) Exemples dans la Jungle -
  385. [17:22:17] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=13479 * ChristopheDucamp * (-2) Exemples dans la Jungle -
  386. [17:25:08] <mkaply> briansuda: When we were discussing tag, you mentioned that you didn't like using title because the information was "hidden", correct?
  387. [17:25:22] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=13480 * ChristopheDucamp * (+181) Implémentations -
  388. [17:26:05] <briansuda> no i don't think so?
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  390. [17:27:07] <tantek> this is interesting: http://eran.sandler.co.il/2007/02/13/yahoo-pipes-microformats-and-extendability/
  391. [17:27:53] <briansuda> tantek, that is this weekend's BarCampLondon Project for Chris Messina and I :)
  392. [17:29:09] <briansuda> step1) technorati kitchen search results -> RSS
  393. [17:29:19] <briansuda> step 2) do somthing with pipes ???
  394. [17:29:24] <briansuda> step 3) profit
  395. [17:31:32] <tantek> perhaps if drop a gentle suggestion to kingryan to add hAtom to technorati kitchen, then you might find your task a bit easier (just use Atom)
  396. [17:32:05] <briansuda> yeah, i should - at the moment there is a dappit to get RSS or Atom out
  397. [17:32:45] <tantek> isn't there an hAtom -> Atom converter already though?
  398. [17:32:50] <tantek> how about reusing some building blocks ;)
  399. [17:33:10] <tantek> also - I believe adactio has an even more fun project waiting for you and any other microformats attendees at barcamp
  400. [17:33:18] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=13481 * ChristopheDucamp * (+400) Implémentations -
  401. [17:33:48] <adactio> Yes (rubs hands)
  402. [17:33:56] <adactio> All will be revealed at BarCamp.
  403. [17:35:10] <briansuda> hm, kicthen doesn't seem to have any search results at the moment?
  404. [17:35:20] <briansuda> http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search/london
  405. [17:35:44] <trovster> http://tools.microformatic.com/transcode/rss/hatom/http://www.example.com converts hAtom to Atom
  406. [17:35:54] <trovster> By are drew
  407. [17:36:58] <mfbot> [[digitalsignature-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=digitalsignature-examples&diff=0&oldid=13482 * HenrichPoehls * (+5)
  408. [17:37:49] <mfbot> [[digitalsignature-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=digitalsignature-examples&diff=0&oldid=13483 * HenrichPoehls * (+20)
  409. [17:38:42] <anselxyz> hi everyone.. i tried to send a message to the microformats-new list yesterday afternoon, but it has evaporated into the ether. any ideas?
  410. [17:39:25] <briansuda> did you sent it as TXT or HTML?
  411. [17:39:33] <anselxyz> text
  412. [17:39:36] <briansuda> and are you subscribed to the list?
  413. [17:39:41] <anselxyz> yup
  414. [17:40:50] <anselxyz> ah, perhaps it was sent out under a different outgoing address. i will retry.
  415. [17:45:35] <tantek> see the FAQ also
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  417. [17:46:08] <julianstahnke> wow, I just tried the hAtom converter, it's awesome!
  418. [17:46:27] <julianstahnke> but it doesn't seem to pick up the author?
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  422. [17:49:26] <anselxyz> my bad on the list. thanks, guys.
  423. [17:49:42] <briansuda> got it
  424. [17:51:28] <trovster> Hey julianstahnke, just a thought - http://www.last.fm/event/27292 -- the 'reviews' simply link to your journal, but they must be flagged as a review for them to appear in that list specifically... mark that journal is a hreview?
  425. [17:55:04] <julianstahnke> yes, that's planned
  426. [17:55:19] <trovster> Ah, sweet.
  427. [17:55:45] <julianstahnke> it's just that at the moment, there is no time and the template is kinda not flexible enough for that
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  429. [18:08:56] * mkaply wonders if there is a reason technorati specifically requested that their tag URLS end with a slash
  430. [18:09:36] * mkaply wonders if he should be ending all tag request URLs with a slash
  431. [18:09:56] <kingryan> mkaply: who requested that?
  432. [18:11:28] <mkaply> kingryan: I don't remember. When I first put up operator, I got a note from a technorati person requesting that I put the slash on the end.
  433. [18:11:37] <kingryan> ah, ok
  434. [18:11:52] <mkaply> sorry, requesting that I remove the slash
  435. [18:11:57] <mkaply> They didn't like me putting it on.
  436. [18:12:03] <kingryan> we'll we've been working on making our URLs more consistent, but I thought we'd decided to go with no slash on the end of tags
  437. [18:12:05] <kingryan> ah, ok
  438. [18:12:20] <kingryan> that would be more consistent with common practice
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  440. [18:14:14] <briansuda> mkaply, just request the URL and see if it redirect to the page with the slash
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  467. [19:45:36] <mfbot> [[hatom-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-fr&diff=0&oldid=13486 * ChristopheDucamp * (+893) Exemples dans la jungle - synchro
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  470. [19:48:28] <mfbot> [[recipe]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe&diff=0&oldid=13488 * Tantek * (-12) fix links
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  477. [20:07:08] <mkaply> briansuda: Did you make changes in X2V to not always put UID and DTSTAMP in anymore?
  478. [20:07:34] <briansuda> anymore? i don't think it did automatically
  479. [20:08:00] <mkaply> briansuda: I thought it did before because Outlook 2003 requires those for import.
  480. [20:08:34] <briansuda> i have it automatically put METHOD and ??? in the VCALENDAR, but nothing in VEVENT
  481. [20:09:20] <mkaply> Ah. I know what it is. I thought it was you that did that. Robert de Bruin did that change to your files for Tails Export
  482. [20:09:34] <mkaply> <!-- Robert de Bruin, ugly hack for bug in Outlook. -->
  483. [20:09:34] <mkaply> <xsl:text>&#x0A;UID:</xsl:text>
  484. [20:09:34] <mkaply> <xsl:text>&#x0A;DTSTAMP:19990101T010000Z</xsl:text>
  485. [20:09:51] <briansuda> yeah, i have found in an RFC update
  486. [20:09:59] <briansuda> that UID and DTSTAMP are required
  487. [20:10:32] <briansuda> so i'm not sure exactly what to do yet?
  488. [20:10:47] <mkaply> I'm wondering what to set DTSTAMP to if it doesn't exist? current date/time?
  489. [20:11:04] <briansuda> i THINK DTSTAMP is used to see if the event needs updating
  490. [20:11:49] <briansuda> if the UIDs match then it uses the most recent time stamp
  491. [20:12:15] <mkaply> ah
  492. [20:12:38] <mkaply> So it really doesn't matter what it is. Tails hardcodes it. I could make it my birthday. A little easter egg :)
  493. [20:14:24] <briansuda> yes, BUT more recent data COULD then be replaced by older less correct data from a different site
  494. [20:14:28] <briansuda> it is an edge case
  495. [20:14:38] <briansuda> UIDs are another story
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  497. [20:15:28] <briansuda> the TAG URI scheme is very good at avoiding collisions.
  498. [20:15:51] <briansuda> but we shouldn't use too much default data
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  500. [20:21:38] <mkaply> my birthday isn't that recent :)
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  503. [20:36:53] <briansuda> mkaply any other issues? (or should i ask, any issues now?)
  504. [20:38:01] <mkaply> briansuda: I don't think so. I've been looking at RRULE but it kind of scares me.
  505. [20:38:25] <mkaply> Does outlook accept the RRULE stuff?
  506. [20:38:29] <briansuda> yeah, it is a handful
  507. [20:38:49] <briansuda> not sure? you can create a quick test and export/import and see what happens
  508. [20:38:59] <briansuda> round-trip it
  509. [20:40:10] <mkaply> duration is kind of painful as well
  510. [20:40:50] <briansuda> to parse it yes
  511. [20:41:48] <briansuda> that sort of gets to the 80% issue
  512. [20:42:06] <briansuda> it is not a popular feature so don't spend too much time on it
  513. [20:42:40] <mkaply> if rrule is there, outlook 2003 won't load at all.
  514. [20:44:20] <briansuda> you should test it with an ics file you KNOW works in other calendars to make sure it isn't an issue with just the current file
  515. [20:45:27] <mkaply> I mainly need duration for yahoo - although they just want hours
  516. [20:45:42] <briansuda> it is an alternative to DTEND
  517. [20:46:14] <mkaply> yahoo calendar won't accept a dtstart/dtend combo - it still wants Duration. it's annoying
  518. [20:46:29] <mkaply> near as I can tell since they don't publish their API
  519. [20:47:01] <briansuda> hm, i can ask around to see if there is an un-official API
  520. [20:47:18] <briansuda> if you find issues with Outlook's RRULE can you add it here:
  521. [20:47:19] <briansuda> http://microformats.org/wiki/icalendar-implementations
  522. [20:48:12] <mkaply> There's very little doc on Yahoo Calendar anywhere. I'm going to contact the product manager and see if he can help.
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  524. [20:56:25] <kingryan> mkaply: feel free to document the API on the wiki
  525. [20:56:47] <mkaply> kingryan: I'm hoping to get Yahoo! to do that :)
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  562. [23:18:37] <tantek> who here is attending SXSW?
  563. [23:19:01] * kingryan raises hand
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  565. [23:19:14] <Phae> me!
  566. [23:19:18] <Phae> oh wait. you know that.
  567. [23:19:28] <pnhChris> whoa
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  570. [23:19:40] <Phae> heh
  571. [23:19:44] <Phae> great reaction, chris.
  572. [23:19:48] <pnhChris> haha
  573. [23:19:55] <pnhChris> to what? couldn't see anything
  574. [23:19:57] <pnhChris> :P
  575. [23:20:12] <pnhChris> [hit with the colloquy doesn't show anything in the channel bug.. for the first time in months]
  576. [23:20:22] <kingryan> ouch
  577. [23:20:23] <Phae> tantek asked who was going to SXSW, and I said me! and you just went "whoa" and quit.
  578. [23:20:30] <pnhChris> haha
  579. [23:20:45] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13491 * RyanKing * (+29)
  580. [23:20:47] <Phae> nm. continue.
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  582. [23:21:16] <tantek> Phae, you made his IRC client faint.
  583. [23:21:18] <pnhChris> as for me... its going to be a last minute call
  584. [23:21:20] <Phae> heh
  585. [23:21:34] <pnhChris> stars aren't aligning
  586. [23:21:40] <pnhChris> silly client projects
  587. [23:21:58] <tantek> add urselves as Ryan just did: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of
  588. [23:21:59] * dbaron (n=dbaron@gw.office.mozilla.org) has joined #microformats
  589. [23:22:07] <tantek> pnhChris - then put in a maybe
  590. [23:22:20] <tantek> like (maybe, last minute call)
  591. [23:22:25] <tantek> hello dbaron
  592. [23:22:48] <tantek> what brings you to the frontier of inner(format)space?
  593. [23:23:13] <dbaron> nothing in particular
  594. [23:23:21] <dbaron> and hello
  595. [23:23:33] * tantek wonders if anyone else here remembers (or even rode) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_Thru_Inner_Space
  596. [23:24:27] <Phae> no, but I watched the film innerspace again the other day. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093260/
  597. [23:24:56] <pnhChris> that Martin Short!
  598. [23:25:02] <tantek> ?def dbaron
  599. [23:25:35] <tantek> KevinMarks could you reinvite jibot?
  600. [23:25:51] <tantek> dbaron has a an hCard at dbaron.org
  601. [23:26:06] <Phae> swish
  602. [23:26:16] <kingryan> http://kitchen.technorati.com/contact/search/dbaron
  603. [23:27:45] <tantek> dbaron - you could improve your hCard by tagging a bunch of the rel-tag friendly links that you have
  604. [23:27:55] <briansuda> kingryan, any chance we can see hAtom on that page?
  605. [23:28:00] <kingryan> yes
  606. [23:28:16] <kingryan> that actually brings up a question I have....
  607. [23:28:23] <tantek> dbaron, e.g. this link: <a href="http://dbaron.org/mozilla/">involved</a>
  608. [23:28:53] <tantek> could be slightly modified to: <a rel="tag" href="http://dbaron.org/mozilla/">involved</a> and that would tag your hCard with "mozilla"
  609. [23:29:01] <kingryan> so we have contacts and events services (based on x2v) at http://technorati.com/contacts/ and http://technorati.com/events/ respectively
  610. [23:29:10] <kingryan> if we added one for hAtom, what should we call it?
  611. [23:29:10] <dbaron> tantek, not with "involved"?
  612. [23:29:30] <kingryan> no, dbaron it's the URL that counts for the tag
  613. [23:29:32] <tantek> correct, that's how the rel-tag standard works - it uses the last segment of the URL - per the pattern established by popular services
  614. [23:29:45] <tantek> and this too: <a href="http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS">CSS</a>
  615. [23:30:06] <tantek> could be: <a rel="tag" href="http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS">CSS</a>
  616. [23:30:15] <tantek> and this: <a href="http://www.deas.harvard.edu/undergradstudy/computerscience/">Computer Science</a>
  617. [23:30:24] <tantek> could be: <a rel="tag" href="http://www.deas.harvard.edu/undergradstudy/computerscience/">Computer Science</a>
  618. [23:31:01] <dbaron> wow, seems a little hard to use if the url isn't what you want it to be, but interesting...
  619. [23:31:24] <dbaron> is rel="tag" part of hCard now, or a separate microformat?
  620. [23:31:37] <kingryan> dbaron: yes :D
  621. [23:31:39] <briansuda> kingryan, i'd say feeds
  622. [23:31:52] <briansuda> but i meant hAtom mark-up on the search results page
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  624. [23:32:01] <kingryan> briansuda: so then you'd have http://feeds.technorati.com/feeds/$url
  625. [23:32:17] <dbaron> kingryan, ok, I'll ask it another way. Where's the spec for rel="tag" ?
  626. [23:32:25] <kingryan> http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag
  627. [23:32:28] <dbaron> thanks
  628. [23:32:59] <briansuda> yeah, that is a bad URL
  629. [23:33:13] <briansuda> i would avoid "atom" and avoid "rss"
  630. [23:33:18] <kingryan> briansuda: I know, you question reminded me of this
  631. [23:33:43] <tantek> dbaron, you could even go further by expanding upon your about link and page
  632. [23:33:52] <tantek> e.g. this: <a href="about">more about me</a>
  633. [23:34:10] <dbaron> tantek, I don't have time to rewrite my Web page right now, though. :-)
  634. [23:34:11] <tantek> could become this: <a href="about" class="url uid">more about me</a>
  635. [23:34:21] <tantek> these are minor edits!
  636. [23:34:24] <tantek> :)
  637. [23:34:32] <tantek> i'm giving you the diffs too :)
  638. [23:34:45] <dbaron> I'm still looking for a profile URL for rel-tag :-)
  639. [23:34:59] <briansuda> http://feeds.technorati.com/news/$url
  640. [23:37:50] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13492 * Tantek * (+124) write [[rel-tag-profile]], send to dbaron
  641. [23:38:02] <tantek> dbaron, will do
  642. [23:38:22] <tantek> this page is particularly setup for rich hCarding: http://dbaron.org/about
  643. [23:38:33] <dbaron> I just linked to http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag#XMDP_profile , although I'm not a big fan of escaped profiles :-)
  644. [23:39:13] <dbaron> tantek, IIRC, it was missing one really key piece of information, although I don't remember what...
  645. [23:39:17] <tantek> and if you are really up for a semantic markup challenge, add hResume http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume to your about page - since it is effectively a prose resume.
  646. [23:39:47] * dbaron goes to add a few countries to the map
  647. [23:39:57] <dbaron> oh, and flights
  648. [23:40:06] <tantek> ooh and XFN too
  649. [23:40:16] <tantek> e.g. this link: <A HREF="http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron/">My father</A>
  650. [23:40:33] <tantek> could be: <A REL="parent" HREF="http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron/">My father</A>
  651. [23:40:45] <tantek> XFN profile is here BTW: http://gmpg.org/xfn/11
  652. [23:41:14] <tantek> and plenty more opportunities for tags on the about page as well
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