IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-14
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13493 * Tantek * (+3122) added example grouping sections per [[to-do#hCard_2]], reordered groupings into approximate flow, grouped Dbaron, Tantek and Technorati hCards
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ok folks, it's about time we wrestled some more order/organization into the hCard examples in the wild page
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calling for help with moving reviewed examples to "Grouped Examples" under the appropriate category.
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see instructions on the page
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let's get some estimates in there too!
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http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild#Reviewed_Examples
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to
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http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild#Grouped_Examples
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I've already organized David Baron, mine, and Technorati's hCards
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13494 * Tantek * (+1) typo
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13495 * Tantek * (+80) grouping of hCard examples in the wild
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13496 * Tantek * (-867) create groupings of hCard examples in the wild - done
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13497 * Tantek * (+133) added Chris Wilson
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13498 * Tantek * (+6) Institutions -
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http://flickr.com/photos/fraying/388640598/
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[[events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north&diff=0&oldid=13499 * Tantek * (+625) added presentation links, photo
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- [04:45:52] <KevinMarks>
you could use /atom and /rss to transform the hAtom to each, to satisfy the prejudiced
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especially as atom output has been on technorati's to do list for over 3 years
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hello
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is anyone here
- [05:06:02] <Keehun>
IS anyone here
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seriously
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hi
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hi
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Have you been to the WebDirectio North
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*direction
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because I have a question
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er, I went to Northern Voice last year
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k...
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anyways
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do you know hCard?
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because I downloaded the PDF of the presentation
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microformats for designers
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and the css in there doesn't work at all and I was wondering if any source code was available
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the complete sourcecode
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who gave the presentation?
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ummmm
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hold on
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dan
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dan cederholm
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also
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in his presentation
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he refernces a lot of images such as background images....
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and they are too hard to make for beginners
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lol
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although I could replace it with simpler ones
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[[events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north&diff=0&oldid=13500 * Tantek * (+208) added blog posts section with mjb blog post
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just "blog post" darn autocomplete
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[[events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north&diff=0&oldid=13501 * Tantek * (-1)
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[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13502 * MikeJohnson * (+1121) Service Publishing of Music -
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[[rest/ahah]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/ahah&diff=0&oldid=13503 * OwlFour * (+200) Implementations -
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[[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=13504 * Phae * (+370) adding -new
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[[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=13505 * Phae * (+124) good topics that belong somewhere else -
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why is my realname taken -.-
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?forgetme
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[[events/2006-06-13-where-2-bof]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-06-13-where-2-bof&diff=0&oldid=13507 * GregorRothfuss * (+29) Attending -
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and another case made for microformats!
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yay
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[[events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north&diff=0&oldid=13508 * DanCederholm * (+95) Blog Posts -
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[[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=13509 * Phae * (+869) formatting + additional comments on -new
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KevinMarks, are you now in a position to push microformats at Google?
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hiya
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hiya anselxyz
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- [18:32:05] <anselxyz>
yo
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how be you?
- [18:34:27] <anselxyz>
i be swell, thanks.
- [18:35:04] <JamieKnight>
goood, doing anything intresting?
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scratching my head at CSS quirks..
- [18:36:57] <JamieKnight>
ahh, which ones?
- [18:37:25] * JamieKnight tend to find himself more inclined to bang his head agaist a wall or lay do to die at CSS quirks,
- [18:37:54] <anselxyz>
trying to figure out why the CSS border on my <table> doesn't extend to its <caption> element. yuck.
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set cpation top block?
- [18:39:04] <JamieKnight>
set caption to block rather,
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?
- [18:40:49] <anselxyz>
hm, sort of works. but it only spans the 1st row now.
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can you give me a link?
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- [19:26:11] <JamieKnight>
hiya bewest
- [19:27:37] <bewest>
hi :-)
- [19:28:02] <JamieKnight>
how be you?
- [19:28:11] <TylerR>
G'day everyone.
- [19:28:30] <JamieKnight>
hiya tyler
- [19:28:40] <JamieKnight>
here, have a prime number, 2^32582657-1
- [19:28:57] <bewest>
excellent... how are you?
- [19:29:27] <TylerR>
Much thanks JamieKnight, hah.
- [19:30:06] <JamieKnight>
your welcome,
- [19:30:24] <JamieKnight>
you've got the titanic thier (largest know prime) coming in at some 9,808,345 digits,
- [19:30:33] <JamieKnight>
i am good,
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in a prime number mood,
- [19:30:38] <TylerR>
Reading "The Art of the Start" has seriously gotten me motivated to get my butt into the entrepreneurial spirit.
- [19:31:04] <JamieKnight>
kewl,
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- [19:34:05] <JamieKnight>
is it insprational then?
- [19:36:27] <TylerR>
Well, for starting up a business, sure. :)
- [19:37:16] <JamieKnight>
kewl,
- [19:37:41] <JamieKnight>
i have a question: what should you do about bookmarklet configeration?
- [19:43:52] <JamieKnight>
because i have found a way to allow my hCard to gmail to place a a contact directly into gmail using a libgmailer, howere it rewuire the log in detail of the person using the bookmarklet, i have consider using [you username here] and yourpassword here inside the bookmarklet, but i think that it to kludgey i am instead considering doing i througha form generator (generoating your custom...
- [19:43:53] <JamieKnight>
...bookmarklte) or trying to autimate it with a the gmail cookie data for username and an alert box for the password keeping it no refering.
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- [19:56:13] <JamieKnight>
hiya mkaply
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- [20:05:09] <mkaply>
JamieKnight: hey
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- [20:09:05] * mkaply wonders if KevinMarks going to Google means anything for Google caring about microformats :)
- [20:12:23] <JamieKnight>
mkaply: i have to go for a while, but i should be back in about an hour, i have some questions to ask you about bookmarklets!
- [20:13:18] <mkaply>
I'll try to be here - valentine's day you know
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- [20:14:08] <JamieKnight>
yeah, sorry, i am a dried up husk of a human when it come to love... i forgot it was V day allredy
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- [20:35:43] <TylerR>
Vendetta Day? ;)
- [20:38:21] <bewest>
?
- [20:38:25] <bewest>
KevinMarks: went to google?
- [20:38:36] <Ashe>
googe
- [20:38:55] <Ashe>
they dropped the "L" :>
- [20:39:38] <TylerR>
Times they are a changing. Apple Computer to Apple, Google to Googe. ;)
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- [20:48:57] <JamieKnight>
is google renaming to googe?
- [20:49:08] <JamieKnight>
do you have a link
- [20:49:16] <Ashe>
http://www.aetherworld.org/
- [20:49:21] <Ashe>
no they're not
- [20:49:26] <JamieKnight>
oh,
- [20:49:28] <Ashe>
just some people thought they do
- [20:49:29] <JamieKnight>
okay.
- [20:49:38] <Ashe>
because their current logo says Googe
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as you can see on my post
- [20:50:04] * JamieKnight mentions taht google got its name from the number of pages it could thretically index.
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1google
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then 1googleplez (google^2)
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actually the word is googol
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and googoplex
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googolplex*
- [20:51:26] <JamieKnight>
well, aprt from my typing i was right,
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:>
- [20:51:33] <Ashe>
yea
- [20:51:42] * JamieKnight is typing, eating and trying to think how he is going to markup a page
- [20:51:47] <Ashe>
:)
- [20:52:18] <Ashe>
but google has a sense of humor
- [20:52:22] <JamieKnight>
i need to talk to somone who works for google,
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so their current logo is not a mistake
- [20:52:48] <JamieKnight>
like apple then
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sense of humor
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"do not be evil"
- [20:53:12] <Ashe>
^^
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<- off
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what does <-off mean?
- [20:53:58] <Ashe>
well
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like
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offline?
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- [20:54:15] <JamieKnight>
ah
- [20:55:33] <TylerR>
I need to start something big.
- [20:55:40] <TylerR>
It's V-day, a good day to start something.
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TylerR: intrested in starting hPage with me?
- [20:56:39] <TylerR>
Eh? Oh I mean, like, something akin to a company. :)
- [20:56:50] <JamieKnight>
hPage will be,
- [20:56:54] <JamieKnight>
well, sort of,
- [20:57:16] <JamieKnight>
its an idea i had, (well disibargoed)
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basically, its a way of having the "put in URL and thats the form filled" system for decentralised user acounts.
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its a few functions, and a website,
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Ah.
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basicallyt, the idea is to make it very easy to have a page of microformats,
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so, you have you details in one place and then all you do is gieve the site you want to sign up for the URL and password (if set)
- [21:01:21] <JamieKnight>
and then some ajax functions which use thease page in forms.
- [21:01:59] <TylerR>
Hmm, interesting stuff. I really do need to expand my understanding of server-side.
- [21:02:32] <JamieKnight>
i am also getting to an intresting point in the hCard to Gmail thing, but its less intresting.
- [21:03:42] <JamieKnight>
looking for some help with it if you are intrested,
- [21:04:18] <TylerR>
I have a couple other plans I'm exploring currently but thanks for the offer. :)
- [21:04:40] <JamieKnight>
hehe
- [21:05:23] * mkaply wonders if sites understand that
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dtstart=2007-03-09T10:00:00 dtend=2007-03-14T17:00:00 means an event that goes for five days solid.
- [21:05:27] <mkaply>
Doesn't it?
- [21:07:09] <JamieKnight>
could do,
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midnight to midnight,
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no, sex day
- [21:07:42] <JamieKnight>
six rather,
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i think,
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midnight on one day, till midnight 6 days later, and the extra overlap to show it is 12 midnight
- [21:08:10] <mkaply>
is there a way to express an event from 9-5 on four days without using an RRULE?
- [21:09:00] <bewest>
four events with rel-include?
- [21:09:28] <JamieKnight>
brb
- [21:17:49] <mkaply>
bewest: Unfortunately it seems that sites like upcoming expect that syntax to mean "multi day event that stats at 10 and ends at 5 on those days)
- [21:20:23] <tommorris>
If you are using microformats, the parsers will interpret it to mean basically whatever they want it to mean.
- [21:20:24] <bewest>
what's the difference?
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i supose though, you need to use whats in the wild to be consistant,
- [21:21:18] <tommorris>
I can't find any examples in-the-wild.
- [21:21:38] <JamieKnight>
upcoming..... isent that an example itw
- [21:22:34] <tommorris>
It seems to me that "rrule" shoudl be used if it's, say, four days of nine-to-fives.
- [21:22:50] <mkaply>
none seems to be using rrule though.
- [21:22:52] <tommorris>
While just setting the start and end should be used if it's a multi-day event.
- [21:23:29] <tommorris>
That's because rrule isn't part of the standard, iirc - it's part of "hcalendar-brainstorming"
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but that begs the question, what if you are having a three day straight rave - how do you tag that :_
- [21:24:37] <mkaply>
:)
- [21:25:08] <tommorris>
Well, that should be done using dtstart/dtend. But if you had a three day rave where you went home for tea at 6pm, use rrule.
- [21:25:10] <mkaply>
In the end, what I've done is if the start end time > 24hours from the start time, they meant a multi day event
- [21:25:28] <tommorris>
Oh, actually, have a look at X2V.
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X2V currently doesn't read rrule.
- [21:26:56] <JamieKnight>
that seems to make sense, mkaply. although aren't we bending the rules a bit? as it doesent actully last 6 days?
- [21:27:26] <JamieKnight>
would it be possible to mark it up in a form which does nto change, like hours,
- [21:27:38] <JamieKnight>
so, it might be 36 hours from dstart?
- [21:30:37] <mkaply>
well, the only other way would have been to do a start date/time, end date and a duration.
- [21:30:46] <mkaply>
That probably conveys "multiday event"
- [21:31:02] <mkaply>
but noone is doing that (and I'm looking at quite a few sites
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- [23:01:06] <hober>
KevinMarks: congrats on the new position!
- [23:02:21] <JamieKnight>
hiya KevinMarks
- [23:02:30] <JamieKnight>
hiya tantek
- [23:02:47] <epeus>
hi there
- [23:03:09] <epeus>
(this is Kevin - I can't kick the one logged in at home)
- [23:03:12] <tantek>
greetings
- [23:03:19] <JamieKnight>
how be you?
- [23:03:35] <epeus>
good
- [23:03:49] <JamieKnight>
well done on the new job,
- [23:03:52] <tantek>
Kevin, you should be able to if you just identify and kick it
- [23:04:18] <epeus>
it's set to login again, and it's faster than me
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- [23:05:39] <JamieKnight>
knuts,
- [23:06:04] <JamieKnight>
epeus: do you know more detail about what you are going to be doing or is it all hush hush
- [23:06:51] <epeus>
it's both somewhat hush hush and not fully settled, but I intend to keep up microformat work
- [23:07:03] <JamieKnight>
kewl,
- [23:07:16] <JamieKnight>
(vcrd support in gmail would make my life easier)
- [23:07:20] <JamieKnight>
hehe
- [23:12:19] <JamieKnight>
did you have to relocate or anything?
- [23:13:37] <epeus>
i just have to get off the train about an hour earlier...
- [23:13:56] <JamieKnight>
awesome,
- [23:15:27] <JamieKnight>
its great that the microformats comnuity is spreading into more of the larger companies
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- [23:55:13] <TylerR>
tantek: Just talked to my professional development manager, looks like we're getting the ball rolling on spreading the uf word here at the company and I'm taking the helm. :)
- [23:55:45] <tantek>
well done TylerR
- [23:56:05] <tantek>
definitely speak up and let the community know what kinds of supporting materials you need or could use.
- [23:56:06] <JamieKnight>
awesome TylerR
- [23:56:30] <JamieKnight>
glad you managed to beat the compitition, well done!
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- [23:57:48] <TylerR>
Perfect tantek. I'll compile a list of needs this weekend. I'm going to be starting out with a few pilot presentations and a company blog, from there though we'll see how the company reacts.
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