IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-17
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?def woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/
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woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/
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hmm
- [15:39:14] <danja>
on Tyne or under Lyme?
- [15:39:29] <woodss>
Tyne :P
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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- [15:53:07] <jimcallender>
hey jeremy
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- [15:53:54] <adactio>
waves back
- [15:54:09] <Whiskey_M>
oh, people are awake ;-)
- [15:54:22] <woodss>
we aren't we're just drifting steadily in and out of conciousness
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Just a heads-up that there'll be a microformats panel here at BarCamp London tomorrow (sunday) at 13:30 local time. We'll keep the IRC channel open if you want to participate remotely.
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gotta run...
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- [15:56:26] <Whiskey_M>
cool
- [15:56:59] <woodss>
hmm why did he leave straight away
- [15:57:51] <jimcallender>
like a duck testing the water..
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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- [16:00:29] <woodss>
hello briansuda
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afternoon
- [16:02:01] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13584 * AndyMabbett * (+51) moving last to problem section
- [16:04:54] <tommorris>
does anyone know when the bcl2 microformats panel is?
- [16:05:04] <tommorris>
I thought it was today, but i've heard it may be tomorrow
- [16:09:24] <jimcallender>
here at BarCamp London tomorrow (sunday) at 13:30 local time
- [16:09:44] <briansuda>
http://adactio.com/journal/1256/
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- [16:10:07] <woodss>
whoops
- [16:10:40] <jimcallender>
brian: how is/was brighton?
- [16:12:03] <briansuda>
it was great
- [16:12:19] <briansuda>
i met-up with friends and saw some of the city
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- [16:12:43] <jimcallender>
yes, its raining here now.. but going down to the beach anyways
- [16:13:03] <woodss>
lovely and sunny up here in The Toon
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no rain inside the BT building
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [16:14:03] <jimcallender>
played werewolf before brian? should be a good night..
- [16:14:29] <briansuda>
yeah, i did at the last conference
- [16:14:36] <briansuda>
i'm not a werewolf
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the hairy arms suggest otherwise
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@Brian: whats been the best BC talk so far?
- [16:17:41] <briansuda>
hm... there has only been 4-5 so far...
- [16:18:32] <briansuda>
i enjoyed the BlackHat SEO
- [16:18:49] <jimcallender>
cool..
- [16:19:58] <jimcallender>
hope there will be a good way of getting these talks on peoples blogs.. theres no backnetwork i guess?
- [16:20:13] <briansuda>
not really
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the wifi is for 24h only
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but you pick when you when to start
- [16:20:40] <jimcallender>
yep i heard that..
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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can anyone tell me why webcards doesn't pickup on the uf here: http://www.csarven.ca
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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oh wow. apparently its the application/xhtml+xml mimetype causing it not to show
- [17:29:21] <Wagon>
because you are using xhtml+xml in not supported browser, like IE
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- [17:30:38] <csarven>
no that is nto the case
- [17:31:02] <csarven>
im speaking of Why the webcards firefox extension doesn't pickup on the uf
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university of florida?
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tommorris is a UK blogger, lives in East Sussex and studies philosophy in London, but hasn't yet said whether he's a quark or a lepton and blogs at http://blogs.opml.org/tommorris
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13585 * QuWiki * (+145) New Examples -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13586 * QuWiki * (+0) New Examples -
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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tommorris is a UK blogger, lives in East Sussex and studies philosophy in London, but hasn't yet said whether he's a quark or a lepton and blogs at http://blogs.opml.org/tommorris
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- [19:39:02] <jibot>
julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
- [20:10:56] <JamieKnight>
hiya,
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- [20:14:10] <JamieKnight>
hiya illustir
- [20:15:43] <illustir>
hello
- [20:17:50] <JamieKnight>
how are you?
- [20:21:39] <illustir>
fine thanks
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
- [20:24:29] <illustir>
i'm trying to follow barcamplondon a bit
- [20:25:34] <JamieKnight>
kewl,
- [20:25:40] <illustir>
how are you?
- [20:25:44] <JamieKnight>
i was hping to go, but it was not possible,
- [20:25:52] <illustir>
a friend of mine is attending for me
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- [20:26:00] <JamieKnight>
awesome,
- [20:26:05] <illustir>
but I'm in the netherlands
- [20:26:08] <JamieKnight>
seen yahoo pipes,
- [20:26:19] <JamieKnight>
i am only about 120 miles away from london,
- [20:26:36] <illustir>
cool
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- [20:27:06] <JamieKnight>
see you soon,
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- [20:34:39] <JamieKnight>
welcome back,
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- [20:36:02] <JamieKnight>
wb illustir
- [20:36:08] <JamieKnight>
how be you?
- [20:36:20] <illustir_>
fin efine
- [20:36:55] <JamieKnight>
good good,
- [20:37:05] <JamieKnight>
yahoo pipes is quite kewl, i can see it being useful
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illustir you okay? you seem to be reconnecting lots of time?
- [20:42:04] <illustir>
crappy connection, sorry
- [20:42:33] <JamieKnight>
knuts,
- [20:42:54] <JamieKnight>
i had to fix the connection here today, one of the "staff" managed to plug in an unfilterd phone.
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13587 * AndyMabbett * (-8) New Examples - rm. spamvertising - neither of my local mechanics are listed.
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- [21:14:07] <jibot>
tommorris is a UK blogger, lives in East Sussex and studies philosophy in London, but hasn't yet said whether he's a quark or a lepton and blogs at http://blogs.opml.org/tommorris
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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- [21:26:24] <JamieKnight>
tommorris: sure your not the higs boson?
- [21:26:27] <JamieKnight>
:d
- [21:27:29] <tommorris>
Heh heh. I'm not a physics geek, alas - some of the scamps on #JoiIto thought that one up for me.
- [21:27:39] <JamieKnight>
ah, okay
- [21:27:55] * JamieKnight is not a physic geek, he just reads alot.
- [21:28:05] <tommorris>
I'm a biology, philosophy and semantic web geek. ;)
- [21:28:11] <JamieKnight>
like your blog,
- [21:28:23] <tommorris>
Thanks.
- [21:28:40] <JamieKnight>
i have an intrest in science generally, but my big intrest is prime numbers,
- [21:28:44] <tommorris>
It hasn't been updated all day because the damn server has been down. I've been reprogramming a semantically valid version in the meantime.
- [21:29:01] <JamieKnight>
kewl,
- [21:29:24] <JamieKnight>
i have just finsished the redesign of my blog, want to have a look?
- [21:29:28] <tommorris>
(Which will do even cooler stuff with microformats and RDF, if I get the time)
- [21:29:30] <tommorris>
Yup
- [21:29:51] <JamieKnight>
www.jkg3.com
- [21:29:55] <JamieKnight>
would appciate comments,
- [21:30:27] <JamieKnight>
I am using hCard, atm, working on an events sytem atm, and will be implimenting jons hResume for textpattern somtime soon,
- [21:30:55] <tommorris>
I used hCalendar extensively on a clients site recently.
- [21:31:18] <JamieKnight>
its very good, i am implimenting it on a clients site, still,
- [21:31:20] <tommorris>
Are yo at BarCamp?
- [21:31:25] <JamieKnight>
proving a little difficult,
- [21:31:27] <JamieKnight>
nopers,
- [21:31:33] <JamieKnight>
i dont think i am old enough to go,
- [21:31:49] <tommorris>
I didn't know there was an age limit.
- [21:31:54] <JamieKnight>
i wish i got to go to barcamp though, i am hoping i will get to go with alun oneday,
- [21:32:05] <tommorris>
There are plans to have them every 2-4 months.
- [21:32:09] <JamieKnight>
well, i am 17, so i think there might be insurence implications,
- [21:32:12] <JamieKnight>
awesome,
- [21:32:27] <JamieKnight>
I dont know how i would do with all the people, i do know what i will do my talk on,
- [21:32:47] <tommorris>
I gave my talk on microformats and RDF today.
- [21:33:03] <JamieKnight>
awesome,
- [21:33:11] <JamieKnight>
do you have you slide in S5?
- [21:33:25] * JamieKnight would do it on his hCard to gmail implementation,
- [21:34:54] <JamieKnight>
what did you ocver in you talk?
- [21:35:03] <tommorris>
I'll put the S5 up in a second.
- [21:35:09] <JamieKnight>
awesome,
- [21:36:02] <JamieKnight>
If i went i would be likley to go with alun (i think / hope) he understand me, so that helps. (i have autism alot of people find me confusing)
- [21:39:08] <tommorris>
http://conferences.opiumfield.com/barcamplondon2/talks/semweb/
- [21:40:04] <JamieKnight>
what wrong with bristich food,
- [21:40:10] <JamieKnight>
british rather,
- [21:40:46] <JamieKnight>
how did you talk go>
- [21:46:00] <JamieKnight>
i dont know much about RDF, but looking at the example you gave how does the GRDDL help, sure it adds a layer of uneeded complication,
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- [21:54:59] <JamieKnight>
how does this differe from microformats? http://esw.w3.org/topic/MicroModels
- [21:57:12] <JamieKnight>
they are microformats aren't they? i'm confused.
- [22:02:47] <vbgunz>
JamieKnight: micromodels == microformats # I think
- [22:03:24] <JamieKnight>
okay, seems to be meaning somthing similar, i need to learn more about RDF and JSON ect.
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
- [22:04:52] <tommorris>
Yeah - micromodels are basically microformats mapped to RDF. GRDDL turns microformats in to micromodels.
- [22:05:21] <JamieKnight>
so, they go oposite ways?
- [22:05:39] <JamieKnight>
uf -> RDF == micromodels
- [22:06:06] <JamieKnight>
microformats -> micromodels == GRDDL?
- [22:11:21] <vbgunz>
hcard is burning me up :(
- [22:11:32] <JamieKnight>
birning you up?
- [22:11:37] <JamieKnight>
what do you mean?
- [22:12:31] <vbgunz>
I mean, I am trying my best to figure it all out and have been reading up on so much of it since yesterday and as time goes by I end up with more questions than answers
- [22:12:41] <JamieKnight>
okay,
- [22:12:46] <JamieKnight>
do you want some help then?
- [22:12:58] <JamieKnight>
hmmm, that sounded wrong,
- [22:13:10] <JamieKnight>
what is the particular problem you are stuck with~?
- [22:14:12] <vbgunz>
I don't think I have a problem, just unanswered questions. e.g., what goes in the "agent" "class", "category", etc?
- [22:14:23] <JamieKnight>
you dont have to have them.
- [22:14:36] <JamieKnight>
the minuimum for a hCard is the fn property,
- [22:14:43] <vbgunz>
JamieKnight: I understand that
- [22:15:15] <JamieKnight>
the other elements are the overlap from the vCard standards, have you thought about looking into that to see what they represent?
- [22:15:49] <vbgunz>
I remember finding a link to the real vcard spec but I cannot find it now
- [22:16:17] <JamieKnight>
http://www.imc.org/pdi/vcard-21.txt
- [22:17:17] <vbgunz>
thank you, that answers agent, I'll read up on that :)
- [22:17:29] <JamieKnight>
i will see what else i can find for you,
- [22:17:54] <JamieKnight>
i am intrested myself, maye it would be an idea fo one of us to blog about the extra meaning, or to put it inside a page on the wiki,
- [22:18:52] * JamieKnight wonder why there appear to be no webpage for the spec for vCard,
- [22:18:53] <vbgunz>
well, I am writing up a full blown example. I will like to post it to the wiki.
- [22:19:03] <JamieKnight>
kewl,
- [22:19:10] <JamieKnight>
you could put it into the example, page,
- [22:19:17] <JamieKnight>
or, you could blog about it and link it back?
- [22:19:41] <vbgunz>
I think I'll post it *but* think at the speed I am moving, it will take quite a while
- [22:20:19] <JamieKnight>
hmm, do you want to work together a coauthor somthing,
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- [22:20:36] <JamieKnight>
then we can submit it to out blog, or somthing like digital web mag,
- [22:20:45] <JamieKnight>
to our logs rather.
- [22:20:52] <vbgunz>
I found this: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt
- [22:21:01] <JamieKnight>
our blogs rather, grr my typing is rubbush on this keyboard
- [22:21:08] <vbgunz>
one sec
- [22:21:14] <JamieKnight>
yeah, seen that,
- [22:21:21] <JamieKnight>
going through the work version now.
- [22:41:14] <JamieKnight>
question about the wiki, if you are starting a newpage defning what the different atribute of vCard / hCard mean where should you put it.
- [22:42:32] <JamieKnight>
i think it make sense ti place it inot the examples section, does this sound okay?
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- [23:30:03] <JamieKnight>
hmm, struggling to get the formmating right,
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- [23:40:46] <JamieKnight>
yaya i got the formatting correct,
- [23:40:54] <JamieKnight>
sorry about clogging up the chat....
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- [23:52:45] <JamieKnight>
erm... http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-play
- [23:52:51] <JamieKnight>
please read the instructions,
- [23:53:02] <JamieKnight>
ohhh, GRRRRRRRR wrong roooom,
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