IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-20
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- [00:13:59] <jibot>
SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
- [00:14:01] <BenWard>
@tommorris: Did you get my email Re: GetSemantics. Need a fresh invite for my gmail.com email account please!
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redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net and is linklogging at http://deliciouslymeta.com
- [00:29:28] <BenWard>
Does anyone know if Brian Suda put the ‘XHTML Enemies Network’ from BarCampLondon2 live anywhere?
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- [00:40:29] <vbgunz>
quick question. when dealing with hCards. I can if I wish combine hCard markup with other elemental microformats, correct? e.g. class="category tag"
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- [00:40:58] <Ashe``>
yes you can
- [00:41:00] <vbgunz>
BenWard: there really is an enemy network?
- [00:41:14] <vbgunz>
Ashe``: thanks
- [00:41:34] <Ashe``>
you need to be careful though, as some properties require nesting
- [00:41:53] <vbgunz>
Ashe``: I believe I am aware, e.g. geo, adr, correct?
- [00:42:01] <Ashe``>
yep
- [00:42:15] <vbgunz>
:)
- [00:42:44] <Ashe``>
or for the hcard, you cant use it like
- [00:42:55] <BenWard>
Yes. It's not a microformat, of course, but it exists. Jeremy Keith and Brian drew it up at 4am at BarCamp. rel="nuisance met fury", rel="enemy met nemesis"
- [00:42:56] <Ashe``>
<div class="vcard fn">Name</div>
- [00:44:03] <vbgunz>
BenWard: wow
- [00:44:26] <BenWard>
Brian was writing it up in an ‘XFN style’ but I've absolutely no idea where he put it…
- [00:44:44] <vbgunz>
Ashe``: I know a little about fn and how it can combine to reduce repeating yourself or to make minimal cards, I believe
- [00:44:52] <Ashe``>
perfect
- [00:45:21] <BenWard>
Clearly it's not been mentioned in here yet, though so I shall stop spoiling the comical details until he does come out with a URL.
- [00:45:48] <vbgunz>
I came in here a couple days asking about why XFN had no indication of enemies or those with whom you strongly disagree with as people and I got into a microargument about it somewhat... heh
- [00:46:52] <vbgunz>
Anyhow, I think it is a good move. This way, you can most likely when you meet someone new, check there backgrounds against your trusted friends and maybe find out if they're a troll, a pain in the ass, etc
- [00:47:13] <vbgunz>
I can see it come in useful, as I wouldn't be a friend if I didn't warn you about the bad guy ;)
- [00:47:14] <BenWard>
@vbgunz — it's a good demonstration of how you can still create semantic class names (or rel names) without having to create a microformat.
- [00:47:42] <BenWard>
Which is something people seem to have trouble ‘getting’
- [00:48:11] <Ashe``>
Hm
- [00:48:16] <BenWard>
There's a false impression that because microformats exist now, class names and rel values all have to come through these walls. And that's just not true.
- [00:48:18] <Ashe``>
I have a problem with that too
- [00:48:33] <Ashe``>
well of course not
- [00:48:41] <BenWard>
‘come through these walls’. That's the wrong phrase for sure.
- [00:48:48] <vbgunz>
BenWard: I am afraid I did not understand your last statement towards me, do you wish to be my enemy :)
- [00:48:58] <vbgunz>
heh, I didn't get it though :O
- [00:49:14] <Ashe``>
but just because i say we should rel="media-attachment" for images now that doesn't make it semantic
- [00:49:33] <Ashe``>
semantics require a descriptor to be imbued with meaning
- [00:49:50] <Ashe``>
and if only one person defines the meaning, that doesnt make it semantic
- [00:50:04] * vbgunz semantic-k student
- [00:50:25] * Ashe`` semantics researcher
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- [00:51:03] <Ashe``>
:>
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- [00:52:42] <BenWard>
Oh I'm not meaning to be a rel="nuisance" when I say ‘not getting it’, I just mean that's a misconception about HTML semantics and microformats that is clearly frustrating people when the response comes back as ‘follow the process’. And that's what microformats are: The process. There's nothing that says we're the only authority on defining these things, we just have one particular way of producing class names that has been very effective so
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- [00:53:28] <Ashe``>
yes but this being effective defines the meaning... which is what i said
- [00:53:41] <Ashe``>
rel="nuisance" doesn't have ANY semantic meaning now
- [00:55:37] <Ashe``>
it gets a semantic meaning though if more people pick it up
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- [01:01:06] <vbgunz>
I was just about to semantically whip my little boys ass... I walked in on him and he was covered in ink stripes from head to toe... wow, can't leave your boys alone for two minutes :(
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- [01:01:40] <Ashe``>
you mean the whipping will be imbued with semantic meaning?
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- [01:01:44] <Ashe``>
that's nice!
- [01:02:44] <BenWard>
People can and absolutely should club together to work on interoperable mark-up where it's beneficial, whether their aims and scenario fit the microformats process or not. If it's useful to them and they can use it, then it's going to be worth it. If that use extends to other parties then it will gain traction and as you say, the semantic value will be established.
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bah
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hiya,
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- [03:08:54] <mfbot>
[[introduction-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction-ja&diff=0&oldid=13613 * KoichiWada * (+250) 'Microformatsとは?'の翻訳
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[[hcard-ja]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-ja * KoichiWada * (+18325) hCard説明の翻訳
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[[Main Page-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=13614 * KoichiWada * (+3) hCardリンク->hcard-ja
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[[buttons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=13615 * Kwilson * (+107) Added logo in PNG format.
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[[buttons]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=13616 * Kwilson * (+77) Added request to not link to image on my server.
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- [07:13:53] <tommorris>
tell BenWard sorry about not getting back to your email quickly - I just fell asleep - trying to catch up with sleep from BarCamp
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[[hcard-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-ja&diff=0&oldid=13617 * KoichiWada * (+1233) 4. Format以下一部翻訳
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- [09:51:24] <McNulty>
When encoding UK phone numbers, in an hCard, what is the best practice for the international dialling code?
- [09:52:31] <McNulty>
+44 (0) 20 etc? or +44 20 ?
- [09:52:41] <tommorris>
See http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-10-29
- [09:52:50] <tommorris>
I'd omit the zero.
- [09:52:54] <tommorris>
It only confuses non-Brits
- [09:52:56] <McNulty>
Is there a way I can remove the (0) from the number using 'value' ?
- [09:53:39] <tommorris>
Most British people can understand that if they see +44207... that it means (020) 7...
- [09:53:44] <McNulty>
m, true
- [09:53:50] <McNulty>
fair enough
- [09:54:12] <tommorris>
And when it gets transmitted to their phone via Tails or Outlook or whatever, their phone will dial it properly
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- [09:54:51] <tommorris>
That said, it would be interesting to test Tails Export, Operator etc. to see if when faced with a +44(0)207 number they try to transmit the (0) to the phone, and whether the phone messes that up.
- [09:57:31] <McNulty>
i've had that issue with mobiles
- [09:57:42] <McNulty>
IF you import a card with the 0 in it'll diall it
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- [10:00:01] <tommorris>
Perhaps what we need is something like this:
- [10:01:10] <tommorris>
<span class="tel"><span class="type">home</span> (<span class="type">intl</span>): <span class="value">+44207...</span></span>
- [10:01:28] <tommorris>
swith 'intl' for 'local' when the dialing code is different
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- [10:06:19] <tommorris>
I guess that the hCard specification doesn't really answer it - which means you just have to make a judgement call - and then wait for a few others to wander down that path...
- [10:07:07] <tommorris>
Grr. XOXO is an annoying name to Google.
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[[currency-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-examples&diff=0&oldid=13618 * AndyMabbett * (+228) Google code - classes
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[[currency-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-examples&diff=0&oldid=13619 * AndyMabbett * (+38) Goolge code - tweak
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[[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13622 * Tantek * (+291) updated time of panel, noted short description
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[[product-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=product-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13623 * SMulcahy * (+250) Thoughts on publicising and encouraging adoption
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- [16:11:03] <briansuda>
link?
- [16:11:17] <mkaply>
briansuda: first link on planetmicroformats
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i did see that one! it looks like and older version too
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briansuda: yeah.
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The new one does geos much better
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I got hAtom working yesterday as well
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just email him, i'm sure he'd update the images and add a link at the end
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[[media-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13624 * ChrisNewell * (+930)
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[[hcard-authoring-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring-fr&diff=0&oldid=13625 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1125) synchro
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[[hcard-authoring-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring-fr&diff=0&oldid=13626 * ChristopheDucamp * (-2)
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13627 * ChrisHunt * (+161) New Examples -
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[[events-fr/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13628 * ChristopheDucamp * (+905) sync'd
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=13629 * ChristopheDucamp * (+863)
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=13630 * ChristopheDucamp * (+125) Exemples avec quelques problèmes -
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13631 * ChristopheDucamp * (-268) Examples with some problems - corrected
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13632 * ChristopheDucamp * (+104) New Examples - futureofwebapps
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'ello everyone.
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=13633 * ChristopheDucamp * (-159) sync'd
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13634 * AaronCole * (+149)
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[[buttons-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons-fr&diff=0&oldid=13635 * ChristopheDucamp * (+206) Requêtes -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=13636 * ChristopheDucamp * (+171) Nouveaux exemples -
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[[presentations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=13637 * Tantek * (+64) noted incorrect date
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[[hcard-complete-implementation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-complete-implementation&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+1395) hcard-complete-implementation moved to hcard-complete-example
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I've just put up the GetSemantic homepage - getsemantic.com
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[[hresume-faq-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume-faq-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2450)
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[[hresume-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=13640 * ChristopheDucamp * (+6)
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[[resume-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+24)
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[[criticism]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=criticism&diff=0&oldid=13641 * Tantek * (+333) summarized recent criticism
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[[resume-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=13642 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1973)
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[[resume-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=13643 * ChristopheDucamp * (+28)
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kingryan: some people are more vocal than others
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bewest: yeah, it feels to me like we mostly have consensus, except for a few outspoken people
- [19:10:43] <bewest>
a lot of it seems to be on the verge of going meta though
- [19:10:49] <kingryan>
yeah
- [19:10:58] <kingryan>
some of it already went ad hominem
- [19:11:02] <bewest>
yes
- [19:11:15] <Kilianvalkhof>
anyone have any experience with using the newsgroup with thunderbird?
- [19:11:36] <Kilianvalkhof>
i set it to send mime, but i can't reply. the button just doesnt work
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[[resume-formats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-formats-fr&diff=0&oldid=13644 * ChristopheDucamp * (+430)
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[[resume-formats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-formats-fr&diff=0&oldid=13645 * ChristopheDucamp * (-601) sync'd
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[[resume-formats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-formats-fr&diff=0&oldid=13646 * ChristopheDucamp * (-38) Existing XML resume formats -
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[[resume-formats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-formats-fr&diff=0&oldid=13647 * ChristopheDucamp * (-33) Formats de CV existant en XML -
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[[resume-formats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-formats-fr&diff=0&oldid=13648 * ChristopheDucamp * (-62) Formats de CV -
- [19:26:42] <bewest>
kingryan: nice post. it can be difficult to stay level headed
- [19:27:00] <kingryan>
yeah, I've had to learn that the hard way :D
- [19:27:13] <kingryan>
the best thing to do is take a few days off :D
- [19:28:17] <bewest>
hmmm
- [19:28:38] <bewest>
so... because XFN has the word "friends" in the name, it is somehow unsuitable for professional relationships?
- [19:29:00] <kingryan>
I guess
- [19:29:08] <bewest>
I don't understand that
- [19:29:31] <kingryan>
oh, well, I think it's fine for professional relationships
- [19:29:40] <kingryan>
it just seems that people get hung up on the name like that
- [19:29:49] <mkaply>
spec XWN - manager, employee, weird that is never in his office, clown
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- [19:31:46] <bewest>
does XFN have a normative section?
- [19:31:58] <bewest>
the homepage simply says it's a way to represent human relationships
- [19:32:07] <bewest>
there's no scope around relationship segments
- [19:32:37] <kingryan>
I'm not sure what you're asking
- [19:33:09] <bewest>
just trying to understand the hangup some people have over XFN's apropriateness for certain kinds of relationships
- [19:33:18] <bewest>
thinking out loud
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via irc
- [19:33:27] <kingryan>
gotcha
- [19:33:36] <kingryan>
I think it's just the name
- [19:33:52] <kingryan>
or maybe also that it's easier to make new things than iterate on existing things
- [19:34:49] <bewest>
the claim is that "Friends" would "most likely hold people back in adoption ... to define those relationships"
- [19:34:58] <bewest>
is there anything to that?
- [19:35:28] <kingryan>
mkaply: I don't get what "debug mode" in operator does
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kingryan: It causes microformats with errors to be displayed in the menus. Otherwise I don't display them at all.
- [19:36:07] <kingryan>
ah, gotcha
- [19:36:13] <mkaply>
And now it actually adds the debug menu
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in 0.7?
- [19:36:26] <mkaply>
kingryan: I'll give you a good test
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<1> please tell me if there's any way to check if a table exist in mysql database
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<2> if (mysql_query('DROP TABLE table_name')) echo "table existed";
- [19:36:57] <woodss>
he he he
- [19:37:03] <mkaply>
http://danieljohn.livejournal.com/58674.html
- [19:37:08] <kingryan>
woodss: wrong channel
- [19:37:09] <mkaply>
Do debug on or off there
- [19:37:22] <woodss>
say what now?
- [19:37:38] <mkaply>
kingryan: yeah. for 0.7 I revamped debug mode. It's much cooler now. If you are in microformats mode, you get a debug menuitem that displays all the information in a tabbed dialog. very handy
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this isn't exactly the right place to be asking questions about mysql
- [19:38:08] <kingryan>
cool, I think I"m still on 0.6
- [19:38:09] <mkaply>
it can even load briansuda's transforms behind the scenes (although they don't work well with Firefox transformiix)
- [19:38:25] <mkaply>
kingryan: grab 0.7a - it certainly shouldn't regress anything. At least not that I could find.
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k
- [19:38:32] <mkaply>
I haven't put it on addons, it's just on my webpage
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operator's all javascript, right?
- [19:39:09] <mkaply>
kingryan: yep.
- [19:39:30] <mkaply>
I'm hoping to have the source code somewhere soon. Really.
- [19:39:54] <kingryan>
you can use http://hg.microformats.org/ if you wish
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kingryan: it's legal stuff right now. Two things in the works - 1. I can contribute it to Mozilla freely because my lawyers are OK with that (I'm having trouble with their SVN repository)
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2. Starting a ufJS project on sourceforge to hold all the code.
- [19:42:20] <kingryan>
cool
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- [19:48:31] <aajhiggs>
can anybody help me with this question - ive marked up my blog biog with an hcard, but am unsure if it is 'valid'. I've used a [p class='n'] then with broken parts of the contact details inside [family-name, given-name]. Tails and Operator don't like it. The code is here: http://andyhiggs.co.uk/blog/about/ - any views?
- [19:49:12] <kingryan>
you need an fn
- [19:50:18] <aajhiggs>
ok - i assumed you didn't because the component parts of n would constitute that. how would i place the fn in relation to what I have now? replace the n?
- [19:53:04] <kingryan>
what do you want your FN (formatted name) to be?
- [19:54:33] <aajhiggs>
it would be Andy Higgs, however I was attempting to reduce duplicating it by picking the two words seperetely from the text already there.
- [19:55:35] <kingryan>
it'd be tough to do pick the current words out, because it would require some unbalanced markup
- [19:55:52] <kingryan>
or value-excerpting, which would break the other elemetns
- [19:55:56] <mkaply>
kingryan: You could use value tags
- [19:56:51] <kingryan>
mkaply: actually, you're right. I was thinking that'd break the overlapping N, but N is complex so it should be using value-excerpting anyway
- [19:57:27] <aajhiggs>
please could you elaborate, I'm not sure what value tags refers to.
- [19:57:36] <mkaply>
aajhiggs. Hold on. I'll show you
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- [19:57:48] <aajhiggs>
thanks mkaply:
- [19:57:52] <kingryan>
<p class="n"><span class="fn">I’m <span class="given-name value">Andy</span>, Igby, Iggy, <abbr title="Ig, Iggy, Igby, Igtastic, Igtastical, Ignacious, Igwood, Igglesticks, Ignacious, Iggleswick, Igneous Rock, Ignoramous, Higgle-Diggle, Iguana, Igtrain, Andrew, Andy, AJ, Higgy, Higgsy, Higgs, Higgsworthy, Hig-man, Higo etc etc">Ig</abbr> or simply <span class="family-name value">Higgs</span> </span
- [19:57:55] <kingryan>
try that
- [19:58:07] <mkaply>
Go to page 13 here
- [19:58:08] <mkaply>
http://www.xfront.com/microformats/hCard.html
- [19:58:08] <kingryan>
see what x2v and operator give you for those
- [19:58:09] <mkaply>
for more info
- [19:59:03] <mkaply>
kingryan: can't he put fn and n on the same class in that case?
- [19:59:11] <aajhiggs>
ok, just checking those out
- [20:01:44] <kingryan>
I guess he could
- [20:01:46] <kingryan>
that'd be simpler
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- [20:02:49] <aajhiggs>
lumping fn and n together didnt work, doing as ryan said did work, but tails picks up the whole FN tag, so my displayed name in tails/operator is 'Andy, Igby, Iggy, Ig or simply Higgs'
- [20:03:05] <kingryan>
what's x2v do?
- [20:03:09] <kingryan>
I think tails is wrong here
- [20:03:16] <aajhiggs>
although that sounds like an intersting set of middle names, id rather lose them
- [20:03:22] <aajhiggs>
ill check
- [20:05:33] <aajhiggs>
is this what you wanted from X2V?...
- [20:05:34] <aajhiggs>
BEGIN:VCARD
- [20:05:35] <aajhiggs>
PRODID:-//suda.co.uk//X2V 0.10 (BETA)//EN
- [20:05:35] <aajhiggs>
SOURCE:http://andyhiggs.co.uk/blog/about/
- [20:05:35] <aajhiggs>
NAME:Just Beyond The Bridge: About
- [20:05:35] <aajhiggs>
VERSION:3.0
- [20:05:36] <aajhiggs>
N;LANGUAGE=en-GB;CHARSET=utf-8:Higgs;Andy;;;
- [20:05:40] <aajhiggs>
FN;LANGUAGE=en-GB;CHARSET=utf-8:Andy\, Igby\, Iggy\, Ig or simply Higgs
- [20:05:42] <aajhiggs>
URL:http://andyhiggs.co.uk
- [20:05:44] <aajhiggs>
ADR;LANGUAGE=en-GB;CHARSET=utf-8:;;;Stourbridge;West Midlands;;England
- [20:05:46] <aajhiggs>
PHOTO;VALUE=uri:http://andyhiggs.co.uk/blog/images/254.jpg
- [20:05:48] <aajhiggs>
END:VCARD
- [20:05:54] <aajhiggs>
whoops, sorry
- [20:06:03] <kingryan>
hmm, looks like x2v misses too
- [20:06:38] <kingryan>
it looks like x2v doesn't do value-excerpting on FN
- [20:07:01] <kingryan>
oh wait
- [20:07:10] <kingryan>
aajhiggs: you have to add the 'value' classnames too
- [20:08:17] <aajhiggs>
how? like 'given-name value'?
- [20:08:27] <kingryan>
yes
- [20:10:22] <kingryan>
lunchtime brb
- [20:12:05] <aajhiggs>
kingryan: , mkaply: looks like X2V likes that, but Tails still doesn't (it extracts the entire fn tag rather than the components). Thanks very much for you help... I will assume that is just a bug in Tails for the moment.
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- [20:22:39] <tom-morris>
KevinMarks (and others): getsemantic.com is now live. You might want to take a look
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- [20:31:03] <mkaply>
aajhiggs: does it work in operator:
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- [20:32:06] <aajhiggs>
mkaply: to an extent... for some reason it doesn't render a gap between the words. as 'AndyHiggs'
- [20:32:32] <mkaply>
aajhiggs: yeah. That's because the value tags are supposed to be taken exactly. Although does X2V render the space?
- [20:32:39] <mkaply>
at least that's what I Thought...
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- [20:34:14] <aajhiggs>
no it doesn't, so they both read 'correctly i suppose. can you suggest a way around that?
- [20:34:31] <aajhiggs>
so the space appears
- [20:34:36] * mkaply is looking
- [20:35:07] <mkaply>
or simply<SPAN class="family-name value"> Higgs</SPAN>
- [20:35:10] <mkaply>
Move the space inside
- [20:35:19] <aajhiggs>
d'oh
- [20:35:19] <mkaply>
it won't affect family-name - the space will get stripped there
- [20:35:45] <aajhiggs>
that does sort of seem sensible ;)
- [20:35:58] <mkaply>
also, if those really are all nicknames
- [20:35:58] <mkaply>
<ABBR title="Ig, Iggy, Igby, Igtastic, Igtastical, Ignacious, Igwood, Igglesticks, Ignacious, Iggleswick, Igneous Rock, Ignoramous, Higgle-Diggle, Iguana, Igtrain, Andrew, Andy, AJ, Higgy, Higgsy, Higgs, Higgsworthy, Hig-man, Higo etc etc">Ig</ABBR>
- [20:36:37] <mkaply>
actually, you can't do that without hiding them
- [20:36:37] <mkaply>
never mind
- [20:36:52] <mkaply>
But you could make the first Igby a nickname
- [20:37:02] <mkaply>
<span class="nickname">Igby</span>
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- [20:39:08] <aajhiggs>
mkaply: yes, i had wondered. I'm unsure if I want to put my nicknames in my vcard though. they mean so many things to so many people that it doesn't really seem a good idea. i'm not sure it would bring any benefit in the end.
- [20:39:51] <aajhiggs>
(that solved the space problem btw - cheers)
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[[hcard-authoring]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring&diff=0&oldid=13652 * AndyMabbett * (-75) Add To Address Book Links - "should" (which has specific meaning in IT) -> "can"
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[[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=13653 * AndyMabbett * (-63) correct date, from cited page
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- [22:11:41] <mkaply>
do folks generally prefer Javasript filenames to be lowercase?
- [22:11:43] <kingryan>
hey mkaply
- [22:11:55] <kingryan>
weird, I was just about to try and get your attention
- [22:11:55] <mkaply>
Like should it be ufJSParser.js or ufjsparser.js
- [22:12:05] <mkaply>
kingryan: You're going to be at SXSW, aren't you?
- [22:12:18] <kingryan>
yeah
- [22:12:31] * mkaply hopes to get to meet some folks
- [22:12:42] <mkaply>
kingryan: what's up?
- [22:12:59] <kingryan>
operator thinks the hcards on http://technorati.com/wtf/ are invalid, but I don't think they are
- [22:13:25] <kingryan>
wait, no we might be missing the fn
- [22:13:40] * kingryan has to go re-read the implied-nickname thing
- [22:15:36] <mkaply>
yep. No fn.
- [22:15:39] <mkaply>
fn always has to be there
- [22:15:53] <mfbot>
[[abbr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/abbr * AndyMabbett * (+33)
- [22:15:55] <mkaply>
fn can never be implied
- [22:15:59] <kingryan>
yeah
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what's the SXSW page?
- [22:26:46] * bewest wants to go to www2007 but it's a bit pricey
- [22:26:50] <kingryan>
it should be linked from http://microformats.org/wiki/events (if it exists)
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- [22:42:09] <mkaply>
bewest: for getting in or for going
- [22:44:05] <bewest>
mkaply: both?
- [22:44:15] <bewest>
I suppose I let my employer know a little too late
- [22:44:19] * mkaply lives in Austin so he can save some money
- [22:44:30] <bewest>
my boss said if we could be in a panel or something I could go
- [22:44:35] <bewest>
but all the deadlines have already passed
- [22:44:53] <bewest>
(I'm talking about www2007)
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