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[[actiontastic-syntax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/actiontastic-syntax * JonCrosby * (+1580)
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[[picoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=14495 * JonCrosby * (+41) Documented Syntaxes -
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hey cats, anyone feel like chattin about the include pattern?
- [06:03:30] <defunkt>
i see http://3amproductions.net/ lists themselves as an example in the wild but i'm a bit confused by their use
- [06:06:14] <defunkt>
basically it looks like they're trying to include a whole vcard into another vcard? should that merge the attributes, or what.
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seems contrary to what's on the wiki
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=14496 * JonCrosby * (+18) Exploratory Discussions -
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Hi all
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(ny1 here?)
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[[User talk:JonCrosby]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:JonCrosby * AndyMabbett * (+72) Welcome
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[[spell]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/spell * AndyMabbett * (+24)
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[[spellcheck]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=spellcheck&diff=0&oldid=14497 * AndyMabbett * (+44) picoformat variants
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[[doi]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/doi * AndyMabbett * (+17)
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[[orphans]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/orphans * AndyMabbett * (+293)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=14498 * AndyMabbett * (+57) How to contribute - orphans
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[[orphans]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=orphans&diff=0&oldid=14499 * AndyMabbett * (+10) isbn
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[[orphans]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=orphans&diff=0&oldid=14500 * AndyMabbett * (+24) footnotes-examples
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[[orphan]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/orphan * AndyMabbett * (+21)
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[[orphans]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=orphans&diff=0&oldid=14501 * AndyMabbett * (-25) -1
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/genealogy-brainstorming * AndyMabbett * (+535) words repreentiong gender in genealogy
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=14502 * AndyMabbett * (+0) fixes
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[[genealogy-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-formats&diff=0&oldid=14503 * AndyMabbett * (+60) See also
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[[vcard-suggestions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-suggestions&diff=0&oldid=14504 * AndyMabbett * (+39) Suggestions for New Properties - see also
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[[vcard-suggestions]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-suggestions&diff=0&oldid=14505 * AndyMabbett * (+49) geo-elevation-examples
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=14506 * AndyMabbett * (+68) Gender - more
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=14507 * AndyMabbett * (+5) Male - ...
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=14508 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Female - ...
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=14509 * AndyMabbett * (+7) Issue -
- [15:48:07] <mkaply>
interesting comment from dogster:"
- [15:48:12] <mkaply>
The one issue I have is that ‘label’ is a common class name we use on our site for 3 years now. It would be annoying to change. I’m going to to have to go look for the way to indicate a certain class should NOT be considered part of the hCard.
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=14510 * AndyMabbett * (-1) Issue -
- [15:49:19] <mkaply>
label was a pretty bad choice (obviously no choice since it was copying vcard)
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If I supported <del>, would that solve that problem?
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mkaply - the generic class names are scoped within the specific class names like "vcard"
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- [15:52:33] <tantek>
using contextual selectors, you can avoid such problems
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and use generic class names outside of microformats without difficulty
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[[internationalization]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/internationalization * AndyMabbett * (+34)
- [15:53:05] <mkaply>
tantek: not if your vcard happens to need to contain a good bit of content on your page including some old labels
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URL to specific example?
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http://www.dogster.com/local/TX/Austin/Pet_Friendly_Restaurants/Texas_land_and_cattle_steakhouse-58045
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I'm looking to see if they could have reduced the vcard.
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I think they could have.
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[[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14511 * JoeAndrieu * (+15) Petition -
- [15:53:50] <mkaply>
wait.
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bad example
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http://www.dogster.com/local/TX/Austin/Pet_Friendly_Restaurants/Whole_foods_market-58043
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[[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14512 * JoeAndrieu * (+2) Petition -
- [15:54:31] <mkaply>
yeah. this was a design choice on their part. They made the entire pageContent to vcard
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[[internationalisation]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/internationalisation * AndyMabbett * (+251) framework - about to fetch content
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[[internationalisation]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalisation&diff=0&oldid=14513 * AndyMabbett * (+60) UTF8
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[[governance-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14514 * Tantek * (+386)
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[[internationalisation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalisation&diff=0&oldid=14515 * AndyMabbett * (+142) Issues -
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[[internationalisation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalisation&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+453) internationalisation moved to internationalization
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[[accessibility]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=14516 * AndyMabbett * (+27) See also - internationalisation
- [15:59:46] <mkaply>
Firebug combined with Operator for debugging microformat? wow.
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I really need to write microformat/firebug integration (on my list)
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If Only operator supported DOM Mutation events
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=14517 * AndyMabbett * (+26) Tools, Test Cases and Additional Research - internationalisation
- [16:00:42] <mkaply>
you could add microformat classes on the fly.
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[[naming-conventions]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=naming-conventions&diff=0&oldid=14518 * Tantek * (+42) please use US English spelling in English wiki page names as following conventions from other standards organizations (e.g. W3C, IETF)
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[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14519 * AndyMabbett * (+102) Issues - mark-up
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[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14520 * AndyMabbett * (+63) Issues - genealogy-brainstorming
- [16:03:39] <mkaply>
tantek: that's just a poorly designed page
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[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14521 * Tantek * (+313)
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=14522 * Tantek * (+0)
- [16:09:36] <tantek>
mkaply, in that example (whole foods austin), it would seem that the hCard could be wrapped only around the top part of the page with the actual contact info, notes on hours etc.
- [16:09:49] <tantek>
thus leaving the existing "label" class outside the hCard
- [16:10:10] <mkaply>
tantek: yeah. That's what I was thinking. I think they were just trying to be convenient and add it at a top level. Come to find out, the guy was at our panel at SXSW
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even asked a question. We have a dialog going now
- [16:10:24] <tantek>
Yes, I know Ted quite well ;)
- [16:10:46] <tantek>
please refer to http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring btw
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when advising folks how to mark up their hCards
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and if they have questions, perhaps add them to the bottom of that page
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we need to grow this knowledge base of how to better author hCards
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so that such insights/answers don't just disappear in private dialogs
- [16:11:29] <tantek>
thanks.
- [16:11:52] <tantek>
BTW - getting a page to validate is always a good first step too: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.dogster.com/local/TX/Austin/Pet_Friendly_Restaurants/Whole_foods_market-58043
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[[internationalization]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14523 * AndyMabbett * (+16) Background - readability
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=14524 * AndyMabbett * (+32) Issue -
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[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=14525 * AndyMabbett * (+116) advocacy-fr - internationalisation
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[[i18n]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/i18n * AndyMabbett * (+34)
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tantek: Picking up a copy of John's uf book on the 26th?
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you know it!
- [16:19:22] <tylerr>
Lovely. I adore my "Friends of Ed" collection.
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[[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14526 * Tantek * (+85) added PDF appendix link for John Allsopp's book.
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[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14527 * AndyMabbett * (+109) FAQ
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[[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14528 * Tantek * (+72) sorted by date, grouped by year
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[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14529 * Tantek * (-7)
- [16:26:27] <pnhChris>
mines already preordered at amazon ;)
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i need to remember to write an hreview of it though
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[[internationalization]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14530 * AndyMabbett * (+211) Solutions - tel using abbr
- [16:28:14] <tantek>
pnhChris - could you add the amazon link for the book to the "books" page on the wiki for others' convenience?
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[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14531 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Solutions - fmt
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[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14532 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Solutions - fmt
- [16:29:22] <pnhChris>
sure
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there a books page?
- [16:30:30] <pnhChris>
so there is.. odd that its not in the getting started main page content [or anywhere there]
- [16:30:35] <pnhChris>
will deal with that too
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oh.. the books page already links to the book sources page
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http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Booksources&isbn=1590598148
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=14533 * ChrisCasciano * (+11) Getting Started -
- [16:37:08] <mkaply>
microformats aren't supposed to be in the <head> tag, right?
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i can't see what they would be doing there.. but is it 'wrong' or 'illegal'... hmm
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[[Template:welcome]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:welcome&diff=0&oldid=14534 * AndyMabbett * (+11) books
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<html class="vcard"><head><title class="fn org">Try Me Corp.</.... I'd have to check DTDs to see if that's legit in [x]html
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[class on <title> that is]
- [16:47:04] <pnhChris>
mkaply: was there a context / particular web page for that question? or just thinking out loud/working on apps?
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pnhChris: I'm working on DOM Mutation events. I'm wondering if I can just add the DOMNode listeners to the <body> tag
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[[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14535 * AndyMabbett * (+4) 2007 - flag as PDF
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Anyone know of a page that uses ajax to dynamically modify a microformat?
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- [17:44:59] <mkaply>
dumb question about include patterns. In Operator I don't check to see if the node you are including is part of another microformat.
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And now that I am looking at a "real world page", I'm not sure it would need to be in another microformat
- [17:45:13] <kingryan_>
that's fine
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- [17:45:35] <mkaply>
There seem to be places where it would be great to have the fn outside of the vcard and use include to bring it in (like this dogster page)
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oh good, i have an include pattern questions too
- [17:46:03] <defunkt>
this page -- http://3amproductions.net/ -- is an 'example in the wild'
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but it looks like they're trying to include a whole vcard in another vcard? the examples on the wiki seem contrary to that
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id="vcard-3am" class="vcard" is referenced earlier on, within another class="vcard"
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defunkt: you think there's problems with including an entire other hcard?
- [17:48:15] <defunkt>
no, i just dont see something like that mentioned anywhere on the wiki
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would it merge the attributes from the hcard being referenced into the referencing hcard?
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- [17:49:25] <kingryan>
defunkt: it is as if the references hcard is transcluded in place of the include-pattern element
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[[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14536 * DrErnie * (+118) Proposal -
- [17:52:43] <defunkt>
yeah, but does that make sense?
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because then dont you have an hcard nested inside another?
- [17:53:00] <kingryan>
you tell me :D
- [17:53:08] <defunkt>
hah, point
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[[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14537 * DrErnie * (+3) Petition -
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[[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14538 * DrErnie * (+2) Petition -
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- [17:55:33] <mkaply>
So with these changes, I can actually use Firebug to interactively change the microformats on a web page, and Operator will update appropriately
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[[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14539 * DrErnie * (-1) Petition -
- [17:59:48] <kingryan>
mkaply: that's awesome
- [17:59:56] * kingryan likes firebug
- [18:00:17] <kingryan>
firebug has replaced almost all the other FF extensions I use for development
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- [18:07:13] <bewest>
it's pretty handy
- [18:07:21] <bewest>
the debugger is way too slow for me
- [18:07:30] <bewest>
it's invaluable for watching XHRs though
- [18:09:39] <kingryan>
I mostly just use the command line
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and the inspector thing
- [18:16:48] <bewest>
most of what I use is squarefree's js shell bookmarklet
- [18:20:07] <pnhChris>
yeah... watching requests is great... i still kinda prefer DOM Inspector for most of the other tasks though [DOM walking, style checking, etc]
- [18:21:20] <mkaply>
Everyshound should use the AJAX Toolkit Framework for Eclipse :)
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- [18:23:12] <pnhChris>
aptana?
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- [18:31:49] <bewest>
ugh
- [18:31:52] <bewest>
I don't like frameworks
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http://flickr.com/photos/howell/430479951
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[[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14540 * AndyMabbett * (+14) add publcation date
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[[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14541 * AndyMabbett * (+5) 2007 - moer sepcific link text
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[[books]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14542 * AndyMabbett * (+55) link, ISBN-13
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[[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14543 * AndyMabbett * (+3) ISBN-13
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[[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14545 * AndyMabbett * (+0) ISBN-13
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[[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14546 * AndyMabbett * (+0) ISBN-13
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[[books]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14547 * AndyMabbett * (+0) isbn-13
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[[orphans]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=orphans&diff=0&oldid=14548 * AndyMabbett * (+58) history-of-microformats
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[[orphans]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=orphans&diff=0&oldid=14549 * AndyMabbett * (+22) history-examples
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pnhChris: aptana is using the stuff we (IBM) created to do fancy AJAx debugging and stuff
- [19:29:01] <pnhChris>
yes..... i just was asking if that's what you were referring to.. or something else
- [19:29:50] <mkaply>
pnhChris: yeah. I was referring to the ATF piece. We're talking about adding microformats debugging into as well.
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[not an eclipse user... like textmate... and tend to turn to browser based tools for a lot of ajax and page layout debugging]
- [19:30:08] <mkaply>
pnhChris: most people do. Hard to get them to change :) :)
- [19:30:12] * mkaply doesn't use eclipse either
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everyone else on the team does
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[[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14550 * DrErnie * (+0) Petition -
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- [20:37:19] * mkaply feels weird leaving xFolk as a "built in" microformat in Operator, but it has a lot of good actions.
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Is it getting good uptake?
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hAtom, hReview, and hResume are moving to "installable microformats" for now.
- [20:38:55] <factoryjoe>
mkaply: sorry i missed you @ sxsw
- [20:39:24] <mkaply>
I missed lots of people. Didn't spend enough time at the parties :)
- [20:40:02] <factoryjoe>
nope!
- [20:40:24] <cgriego>
you can never spend enough time at the parties
- [20:41:23] * tylerr hopes a party comes to Seattle soon.
- [20:41:40] <tylerr>
Convention rather... with parties. :)
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- [20:43:18] <mkaply>
since I live in Austin, it was hard to justify parties instead of kids
- [20:43:28] <mkaply>
actually leander, so I had a 45 min drive at night
- [20:43:44] <mkaply>
I tried to tell my wife "think of it as a business trip where I happen to sleep at home"
- [20:43:48] <mkaply>
but she didn't buy it :)
- [20:44:17] <cgriego>
I'm guessing not sleeping at home wouldn't have gone over any better.
- [20:47:23] <ianloic>
mkaply, if you're 45mins away you should have just got a hotel room
- [20:47:41] <tylerr>
More ladies need to get involved in these things so we can marry them and bring them to the conferences. :)
- [20:47:44] <ianloic>
mkaply, I'm sure your wife would have understoon... :)
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heh
- [20:48:49] <tylerr>
Ah hello Phae. :)
- [20:48:52] <Phae>
hello
- [20:49:18] <tylerr>
I've gone and got myself invited to the HTML WG. Now I need to figure out what I can do to help.
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welcome to the group tylerr
- [20:49:48] <tylerr>
Thanks AGraf`` :)
- [20:50:05] <tylerr>
How closely is the uf crew working with the W3C, if at all?
- [20:50:23] <Phae>
i'm not really sure how we'd work with the W3C - it's never been an intention or goal
- [20:50:29] <Phae>
it's being mentioned a lot in relation to GRDDL though
- [20:51:47] <tylerr>
Ah right then. I need to study up on HTML5 a bit more and see if there are any overlaps and such.
- [20:54:07] <cgriego>
isn't the hCard profile hosted on w3.org?
- [20:55:22] <Phae>
http://www.w3.org/2006/03/hcard ?
- [21:07:00] <mfbot>
[[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14551 * DrErnie * (+9) Proposal -
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- [21:35:21] <kingryan>
tylerr: there is some overlap between µf community and whatwg/html-wg
- [21:35:32] <kingryan>
cgriego: yes, it's hosted there (for now)
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- [21:50:42] <bewest>
pinging tantek
- [21:52:32] <tantek>
greetings
- [21:52:59] <bewest>
salutations
- [21:55:53] <bewest>
wondering about the moderation stuff :/
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- [22:05:49] <tylerr>
kingryan: I was wondering about that. What have you found so far that overlaps?
- [22:07:40] <kingryan>
it's the community that overlaps
- [22:08:23] <tylerr>
Ah right, I was just wondering if there were any overlapping development concerns.
- [22:08:40] <kingryan>
the only one I can think of is profiles
- [22:11:15] <bewest>
tantek: the discussions in #html-wg have given me a new appreciation for our intolerance of hypothetical discussion!
- [22:12:06] <tantek>
bewest, that is good to hear. i have about 9 years of experience now with such theoretical discussions having been on w3c mailing lists (both public and member-only) since 1998.
- [22:13:02] <AGraf``>
i have a dislike for those discussions too
- [22:13:19] <AGraf``>
both w3c and deri mailinglists and IRC are full of them
- [22:14:12] <kingryan>
I hope to keep html-wg somewhat sane in that regard. I think DanC might wish the same.
- [22:14:26] <AGraf``>
that's good, you have my full support
- [22:14:51] <AGraf``>
i think there are a few microformats people in that group who will agree
- [22:15:09] * Phae agrees
- [22:15:37] <Phae>
oh, wait. i thought we were talking about html5
- [22:15:49] <AGraf``>
um
- [22:15:55] <Phae>
whatwg list
- [22:16:06] <Phae>
i find it goes off on long drawn out conversations too often to keep up
- [22:16:06] <AGraf``>
i thought that too
- [22:16:10] <bewest>
whatwg isn't bad
- [22:16:12] <AGraf``>
w3c list
- [22:16:22] <Phae>
whatwg isn't a w3c list
- [22:16:38] <bewest>
the conversations go, but it doesn't consume all the energy for real work
- [22:16:41] <bewest>
whatwg is remarkably productive
- [22:16:53] <Phae>
yeah, i look out for specific subjects of interest
- [22:17:02] <Phae>
but i never have much to add. i'm purely a voyeur
- [22:17:20] <bewest>
I thought they were crazy for discussing <video> at first
- [22:17:38] <Phae>
i still have a few unread on that subject
- [22:17:46] <bewest>
yeah, I gave up
- [22:17:58] <bewest>
no need to read everything
- [22:18:01] <Phae>
yeah
- [22:18:03] <kingryan>
bewest: <video> seems reasonable to me
- [22:18:07] <bewest>
there is a lot of chatter
- [22:18:11] <kingryan>
though I'm mostly ignoring the conversation
- [22:18:15] <bewest>
yeah, the more I read, the more reasonable it became
- [22:18:40] <kingryan>
and the motivation comes from real-world implementor experience, which I have to respect on some level
- [22:18:44] <bewest>
however, the stuff that comes up in the #html-wg is exorbital
- [22:21:09] <AGraf``>
bewest: like for example <xmldoc>? Oo
- [22:21:39] <bewest>
no, like somehow expecting "mom and pop" to author spreadsheets in html for roundtrip serialization of semantics
- [22:22:03] <bewest>
which, among other things, apparently requires a new kind of declaritive javascript
- [22:22:24] <AGraf``>
i didn't even read that
- [22:22:57] <bewest>
that's because no one says it concisely
- [22:23:54] <bewest>
or starting from scratch to produce deliverables for June, or asking other groups to freeze work
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- [22:25:09] <AGraf``>
i only started to actively read the list 2 days ago
- [22:25:21] <AGraf``>
3 even
- [22:25:36] <codecks>
hello everyone
- [22:29:02] <codecks>
I just discovered microformats, and have some questions about it. My understanding of microformats is that it is standardized way to organise common information
- [22:29:20] <kingryan>
welcome codecks
- [22:29:22] <kingryan>
that's right
- [22:29:30] <Phae>
hey codecks :)
- [22:31:33] <codecks>
is it closely related to xml ? I mean, if I want to store information in a microformat I could use XML to store the data and use XSLT to format the output...
- [22:32:31] <kingryan>
codecks: microformats are built on top of html, though you could easily use the same vocabulary in xml (and probably should :D)
- [22:35:32] <codecks>
ok thanks, but when on speaks of microformat we have to think (for example) <div span="vcard">...</div>
- [22:35:39] <codecks>
*on=one
- [22:36:00] <AGraf``>
<div class="" but otherwise, yes
- [22:36:22] <codecks>
:) ep sorry, it's late over here
- [22:36:43] <AGraf``>
i know ;>
- [22:36:49] <AGraf``>
i'm "over there" too
- [22:37:32] <codecks>
You're from belgium ?
- [22:37:52] <AGraf``>
not exactly but not that far away... Austria
- [22:38:03] <Phae>
the examples are done in HTML because that's what microformats are designed for, as most people are publishing in html
- [22:38:11] <Phae>
and we want it to be as easy as possible for those people
- [22:38:31] <Phae>
if you're smart enough to do the same with xml - go for it :)
- [22:38:31] <pnhChris>
don't get hung up on the use of div or span... they are often used as generic examples, but for your own content consider the most apprite elements for the content... microformats see all of <div class="vcard"> <li class="vcard"> <p class="vcard">, <body class ="vcard" all the same way
- [22:38:41] <Phae>
oh yeah, that too
- [22:38:52] <AGraf``>
also any external marked up content would validate the DRY principle
- [22:39:04] <codecks>
k,
- [22:39:11] <AGraf``>
like for example publishing your contact details on both your website and an external RDF file
- [22:39:26] <pnhChris>
why would you do that :P
- [22:39:30] <Phae>
heh
- [22:39:44] <mfbot>
[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14552 * AndyMabbett * (-8) Solutions - no tel in adr!
- [22:40:39] <defunkt>
would it be silly to show an example of an hCard on microformats.org somewhere very obvious?
- [22:40:52] <defunkt>
like how ruby-lang.org shows an example right away
- [22:41:06] <pnhChris>
there are a few 'right away' places :P
- [22:41:09] <codecks>
so, it is about the items and not the semantics ?
- [22:41:12] <Phae>
nono
- [22:41:16] <Phae>
it's all about the semantics
- [22:41:52] <Phae>
microformats, very simply, are about adding extra semantic information to your data
- [22:42:08] <Phae>
and the method just happens to also make it easy for people to pick up that data and do stuff with it
- [22:42:21] <pnhChris>
right.. think of it as overlaying more meaning over your existing sematic markup
- [22:42:47] <AGraf``>
pnhChris: a lot of people to
- [22:42:52] <AGraf``>
re [23:39:27] <pnhChris> why would you do that :P
- [22:42:57] <AGraf``>
http://www.andilinks.com/info.txt
- [22:42:59] <AGraf``>
not rdf
- [22:43:04] <AGraf``>
but still redundant
- [22:43:04] <kingryan>
both the method and meanings are important
- [22:43:05] <mfbot>
[[internationalization]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14553 * AndyMabbett * (+16) Internationalization - typo, embolden
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[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14554 * AndyMabbett * (+47) Solutions - ref for satndard
- [22:44:47] <defunkt>
pnhChris: which 'right away' places do ya mean
- [22:45:22] <mfbot>
[[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14555 * AndyMabbett * (+34) Q: ''How do microformats breach language barriers? - see also
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[[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14556 * AndyMabbett * (-46) Q: ''How do I validate my microformated content?'' - punctuate and simplify langauge
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[[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14557 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Q: ''How do microformats breach language barriers? - fix link
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- [22:52:44] <codecks>
ok,I think I get the point
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[[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14558 * AndyMabbett * (-1) Q: ''How do I validate my microformated content?'' - fix
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
- [23:02:18] <codecks>
what does it mean to microformats to be machine readable ?
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- [23:06:32] <kingryan>
it means that a browser or spider can understand the content of the microformats (for some value of 'understand')
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- [23:10:56] <codecks>
ok, thanks for the information. I'm starting to get a clearer view already. Bedtime now :-)
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[[internationalization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14559 * ChristopheDucamp * (+6) Issues - Télécopieur
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