IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-23
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[[internationalization]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14560 * AndyMabbett * (-6) rv. example on mailing list specifically used "Téléc". "Télécopieur" might be the expected "title" attribute of the abbr element
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[[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=14561 * ChristopheDucamp * (-7) Q : Comment les microformats ouvrent une brèche dans les barrières de langues - typo
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[[internationalization-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/internationalization-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1552) [fr:first draft to be reviewed]
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[[internationalization-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization-fr&diff=0&oldid=14562 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) typo
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[[internationalization-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization-fr&diff=0&oldid=14563 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) Problématiques -
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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[[User:Ruud Koot]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Ruud_Koot * Ruud Koot * (+537) bio
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[[User:Ruud Koot]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Ruud_Koot&diff=0&oldid=14564 * Ruud Koot * (-17) lk
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[User:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=14565 * ChristopheDucamp * (-19)
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[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=14566 * ManuSporny * (+92) Contributors -
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[[music-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=music-examples&diff=0&oldid=14567 * ManuSporny * (+21018) Added over 60 commerce sites - big update from media-info microformat
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[[music-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=music-examples&diff=0&oldid=14568 * ManuSporny * (+90) Participants -
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woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT 0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/ and Steven Woods, http://www.swoo.co.uk - He is situated in Newcastle, UK (GMT 0000).
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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pawlik is Maciej Pawlowski, Poland (mpawlowski.pl)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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[[User talk:Ruud Koot]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Ruud_Koot * AndyMabbett * (+71) welcome
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[[internationalization-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization-fr&diff=0&oldid=14569 * AndyMabbett * (-6) Problématiques - per English page: example on mailing list specifically used "Téléc". "Télécopieur" might be the expected "title" attribute of the abbr element
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=14570 * AndyMabbett * (+187) Issues - lik to further discussion
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-waypoint-examples * AndyMabbett * (+606) wireframe
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[[waypoint]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/waypoint * AndyMabbett * (+35)
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[[waypoints]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/waypoints * AndyMabbett * (+35)
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[[geo-waypoint]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-waypoint * AndyMabbett * (+35)
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[[Template:geo-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:geo-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=14571 * AndyMabbett * (+96) geo-waypoint-examples
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14572 * AndyMabbett * (+10) Issues - tweak
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[[User:Ichigo]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Ichigo * Ichigo * (+273)
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[[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=14573 * Ichigo * (+33)
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14574 * AndyMabbett * (+280) Real-World Examples - a start
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14575 * AndyMabbett * (+103) Issues - sequencing
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14576 * AndyMabbett * (+118) Real-World Examples -
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14577 * AndyMabbett * (+11) Typical optional attributes - elevation
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14578 * AndyMabbett * (+51) Typical mandatory attributes -
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?def ichigo is Thomas Schranz, developer of http://footag.com, journal at http://suitcase.at
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ichigo is Thomas Schranz, developer of http://footag.com, journal at http://suitcase.at
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14579 * AndyMabbett * (+50) Real-World Examples - POI66
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14580 * AndyMabbett * (+216) Collections - Amsterdam CS-Alkmaar CS
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14581 * AndyMabbett * (+127) Collections - markup
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14582 * AndyMabbett * (+130) Geo - Waypoints
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[[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14583 * AndyMabbett * (-35) VoteLinks - fmt
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14584 * AndyMabbett * (+165) Real-World Examples - mark-up
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14585 * AndyMabbett * (-2) Real-World Examples - fmt
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14586 * AndyMabbett * (+178) Real-World Examples - mark-up
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=14587 * AndyMabbett * (-8) Exploratory Discussions - geo extensions
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dydimustk is writing at http://dydimustk.com/blog
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chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14588 * AndyMabbett * (+45) Geo Waypoints - scale
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14589 * AndyMabbett * (+89) Geo Waypoints - more explanation
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14590 * AndyMabbett * (+11) Geo Waypoints -
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14591 * AndyMabbett * (+13) Geo Waypoints -
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14592 * AndyMabbett * (+58) Geo - POI66 "have started recoding immediately"
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=14593 * AndyMabbett * (-149) Exploratory Discussions - rm link, Page is labelled as abandoned, and is anyway linked from [[geo]]
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[[firefox-extensions]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=14594 * AndyMabbett * (+29) Tails Export - link is 404
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chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14595 * JasonGarber * (+80) New Examples -
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14603 * AndyMabbett * (+29) The Problem - calrify
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[[events/2007-03-23-stanford]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-03-23-stanford * Tantek * (+1984)
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14604 * AndyMabbett * (+64) Success! Over 58,500 waypoints geo-formatted, in under 4 hours
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?forgetme
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Bugger. This thing keeps remembering my old one, hah!
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Is an adr with no children valid?
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[[hcard-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=14609 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1540) sync'd
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<span class="adr">21 Any Street, Studley, Warwickshire, England B80 7JG</span>
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at first glance i would think empty would be correct
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well it is valid, it just has no microformatted content
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just empty
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yeah
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semantically empty
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So I shouldn't store any data when I see it.
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(bug report) You’re not capturing “adr” with no children (e.g [span class=”adr”] 45 High street anytown[/span].
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Test case: http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/test/
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no, there are no implied parsing rules for adr
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and adr is always assumed to be on object with children. there's no such thing as a "string only" adr, right?
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[[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=14610 * AndyMabbett * (+71) See Also - wikipedia
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[[music-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=music-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=14612 * ChristopheDucamp * (+21108) [fr:sync'd - sites de commerce à traduire
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14614 * AndyMabbett * (+110) Geo - WikIGPS
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[[User talk:ErinCaton]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:ErinCaton * AndyMabbett * (+128) Welcome
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[[spellcheck]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=spellcheck&diff=0&oldid=14619 * AndyMabbett * (+10) parsable
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[[hcard cheatsheet]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard_cheatsheet * AndyMabbett * (+30)
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[[geo-waypoint-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14621 * AndyMabbett * (+231) mark-up
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[[firefox-extensions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=14625 * AndyMabbett * (+70) Web Developer - Web Cards
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[[User talk:MarcinNowak]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:MarcinNowak * AndyMabbett * (+72) Welcome
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=14628 * AndyMabbett * (-14) Issues - resolved (per e-mail)
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[[books]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=14629 * JohnAllsopp * (+1) 2007 -
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heya
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quick question: if you use an hCard for business contact info... but there's no one 'name', should the fn be the business name (since it's required)? or should it still go in org with a blank fn?
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oh nevermind, it's "fn org", just found it on hcard-authoring
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well done hax - self help is the best! when you've posted that hCard, be sure to add it to http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild
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:)
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the only other thing that's kind of wacky is this <span class="type">fax</span> way of defining types
- [23:47:56] <hax>
i want to define 'work' but not have it say 'work' in the text... and also 'fax' but have it say "Fax:"
- [23:48:13] <hax>
so should i just display:none those spans?
- [23:48:22] <hax>
or use some other element?
- [23:48:58] * hax ponders doing span.type { display: none; }
- [23:50:18] <hax>
<span class="type">work</span>Office: <span class="value">(800) 123-5555</span>
- [23:50:25] <hax>
for example, works fine, if i also use that css
- [23:50:32] <hax>
not sure if that breaks some hcard ideal though
- [23:51:37] <AGraf``>
[00:47:58] <hax> i want to define 'work' but not have it say 'work' in the text... and also 'fax' but have it say "Fax:"
- [23:51:55] <AGraf``>
if you want it to say "Phone:" for example, use the abbr pattern
- [23:52:16] <hax>
oh, i see
- [23:52:22] <hax>
that's a good idea
- [23:53:43] <hax>
err, wait, how exactly would that look?
- [23:54:14] <hax>
AGraf``: wouldn't it have to be <abbr class="type" title="work">Phone: </abbr> ?
- [23:54:38] <hax>
but you'd think hcard parsers are looking for 'work' to be in the text part of the node, not the attribute
- [23:55:07] <hax>
also, it'll do that underlining thing
- [23:55:11] * hax needs to see it in use to get it
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