IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-21

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  63. [06:47:06] <openstandards> is there anyway of handling opening hours?
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  77. [08:30:05] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  80. [09:01:42] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  100. [10:25:49] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  116. [13:00:07] <sreynen> openstandards, see: http://microformats.org/wiki/operating-hours
  117. [13:00:20] <openstandards> thank you sreynen
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  120. [13:03:29] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  122. [13:04:24] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  126. [13:10:36] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  127. [13:11:29] <mkaply> If someone is using Firefox 2.0.0.0 somehow and Firefox 2.0.0.2 is released, do they go 2.0.0.0->2.0.0.1->2.0.0.2->2.0.0.3? Or are the update servers changed to remove the partial MARs for the updates and just put the 2.0.0.3 complete MAR for every previous version?
  128. [13:11:35] <mkaply> wrong IRC. Sorry!
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  130. [13:19:36] <openstandards> sreynen, would you consider this ok? http://pastebin.archlinux.org/2036
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  132. [13:21:07] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
  133. [13:21:17] <sreynen> i think you need two different RRULEs for the different schedules on weekdays and saturdays, but i'm no expert on it
  134. [13:22:26] <sreynen> here's a tutorial on it: http://www.xfront.com/microformats/hCalendar_part2.html
  135. [13:24:38] <openstandards> thanks
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  141. [13:48:36] <jibot> davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
  142. [13:58:57] <openstandards> i kinda figured it out except what use dstart will be
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  144. [13:59:14] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  147. [14:12:32] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  151. [14:16:53] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  154. [14:23:39] <openstandards> hi briansuda, i understand you've looked at hcalc and how opening hours should be done would you mind having a look at something for me please?
  155. [14:23:51] <briansuda> i can try
  156. [14:24:19] <openstandards> thank you here is a paste: http://pastebin.archlinux.org/2037
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  158. [14:26:07] <briansuda> i don't think that will work
  159. [14:26:28] <briansuda> you are using the STRING as an RRULE and it will be escaped... you are mixing data and variables
  160. [14:26:42] <briansuda> <abbr class="rrule" title="freq=weekly;byday=sa;byhour=9;byminute=00;">9:0am until 12:00pm</abbr> needs tobe something like:
  161. [14:27:06] <briansuda> <div class="rrule"> .... </div> // rrule as a container
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  163. [14:27:17] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
  164. [14:27:58] <briansuda> then class="freq">...</span> ... <span class="byday">...</span> etc,
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  166. [14:30:13] <briansuda> what we need to explore is the possibility of "implying" some data... it can ONLY be FREQ weekly if XYZ, so therefore you don't need to explicitly write a class="freq"...
  167. [14:30:59] <openstandards> ok i understand i think, how exactly will i be able to add a closing time
  168. [14:31:28] <briansuda> well a daily closing time? or a DTEND closing for good time?
  169. [14:35:02] <openstandards> well dtend works off of date doesn't it? i just really want to implement time really
  170. [14:35:34] <openstandards> or am i incorrect in thinking that?
  171. [14:36:58] <briansuda> so you want to say 9-12pm, CLOSES at 12 pm.
  172. [14:37:15] <briansuda> we did figure this out a few weeks ago when we were talking about Opeing Hours
  173. [14:37:22] <briansuda> i THINK it might have been DURATION?
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  176. [14:40:35] <jibot> davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
  177. [14:40:54] <openstandards> just reading a mailing list about it
  178. [14:43:01] <briansuda> we talked about it in IRC too
  179. [14:43:26] <briansuda> my original suggestion was incorrect, i had the dates backwards.... met me see if i can find a link
  180. [14:44:23] <briansuda> http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2007-02-04#T214453
  181. [14:45:56] <openstandards> thanks for being so helpful
  182. [14:46:50] <briansuda> sorry i can't give more of a solid answer... most of these ideas are still being hammered out
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  184. [14:47:06] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  186. [14:50:10] <openstandards> thats quite ok i understand its still being talked about, quite glad i brought it up its a well talked about issue i see
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  265. [19:22:42] <mkaply> are microformats really that hard?
  266. [19:22:49] * mkaply is looking at dogster.com and seeing the mistakes they made
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  275. [19:33:28] <bewest> mkaply: have you seen the authoring statistics for html validity?
  276. [19:33:56] <mkaply> bewest: yes. But this is a little different. When I see an announcment like "Dogster is excited, we're putting microformats on our site it's a big deal"
  277. [19:34:05] <mkaply> That would say to me that they researched and knew what they were doing.
  278. [19:34:47] <mkaply> something as simple as not using org in any of their hcards, so all two word companies come out as proper names.
  279. [19:34:50] <mkaply> It's kind of sad
  280. [19:36:17] <bewest> that's interesting
  281. [19:37:14] <bewest> mkaply: do you have contact with them?
  282. [19:37:39] <bewest> mkaply: any idea who did the actual work, and which resources they used as authoring references?
  283. [19:37:49] <mkaply> bewest: Nope. I'm going to contact them now. I just happened to run across their annoncement on planet.
  284. [19:37:50] <mkaply> http://blog.dogster.com/2007/03/19/dogster-and-catster-local-now-support-hcard-microformat/
  285. [19:37:51] <bewest> sounds like a good opportunity to do a rev on those resources
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  304. [20:50:16] * tylerr laughs.
  305. [20:50:45] <tylerr> I've noticed they do tend to discuss JS and Forms a bit in the HTML-WG.
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  314. [21:38:58] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14493 * DrErnie * (+51)
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  321. [21:51:08] <kingryan> bewest, mkaply: I know the founder of dogster, I can talk to him
  322. [21:54:33] <bewest> kingryan: nice
  323. [21:55:54] <kingryan> also, leaving a comment on that blog post would be helpful
  324. [21:56:58] <mkaply> kingryan: I'll put that on my todo list :)
  325. [21:57:14] <kingryan> presumably you already know some problems, right?
  326. [21:59:35] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14494 * DrErnie * (+740) Proposal -
  327. [22:05:50] <mkaply> kingryan: They are missing the org in their business listings, so two word business are considered names.
  328. [22:05:58] <kingryan> gotcha
  329. [22:06:05] <mkaply> And when you do a search in local business, the search result page has one weirdly empty microformat that is unrelated to the content
  330. [22:06:14] <mkaply> You don't actually get microformats until you go to the page.
  331. [22:06:21] <mkaply> of the individual business.
  332. [22:06:23] <mkaply> I'll document tomorrow
  333. [22:06:25] <mkaply> ltaer
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  363. [23:16:13] * kingryan wishes there were hcalendar on http://www2007.org/program/monday.php
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  367. [23:32:15] * tantek wishes that URL was valid. Or at least had a DOCTYPE. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www2007.org/program/monday.php
  368. [23:37:33] <tylerr> Google doesn't have one either (a DOCTYPE).
  369. [23:37:37] * tylerr sighs.
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  372. [23:46:36] <tantek> tylerr, but Google doesn't claim to be "a premier forum for discussion and debate about the evolution of the Web". twittered: http://twitter.com/t/statuses/10751931
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