IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-04
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Thanks
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kingryan: er... thanks
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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question for anyone around. my experience is showing that despite docs that say YYYY-MM-DDThh:mmTZD is ok
- [00:26:47] <mkaply>
it would seem that ical, outlook, google, etc. require YYYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ssTZD
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google's webservice wants it without dashes and colons, and only accepts Z (or at least thats what I found empirically)
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and it doesn't like it if seconds aren't there but a Z is specified
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[[media-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15184 * ManuSporny * (+90) Individual publishing of video -
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15185 * RyanKing * (+233) Using RFC2806 with hCard -
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[[media-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15186 * ManuSporny * (+979) Updated list of all video service sites
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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tylerr is Tyler Roehmholdt and involves himself in the HTML WG and WaSP-related advocacy.
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=15187 * AndyMabbett * (+99) Examples in the wild -
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[[existing-classes]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=existing-classes&diff=0&oldid=15189 * FlorianBeer * (+0)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15190 * Avol * (+400)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15191 * AndyMabbett * (-400) v -------------------------------------- spam
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15192 * Avol * (+401)
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15193 * Phae * (-401) Reverted edit of Avol, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Phae * (+0) blocked "User:Avol" with an expiry time of forever: spam
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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[[last-modified-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/last-modified-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+6266)
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15195 * FlorianBeer * (+36) New Examples -
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were µf actually used for missing persons after a disaster, or were people just talking about the possibility?
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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I would like to mark up more than one paragraph of a hresume as a summary - since they are not necessarily adjacent will am I safe to use class="summary" on more than one <p>, or must they be inside a single element with the class?
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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davecardwell: I haven't been able to find an xslt or parser for hresume, but I'd just put the paras into a div[@class='summary'] - safer, and probably makes more sense
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well I had hoped to have a general summary, and then a couple more that were specific to particular areas of "expertise" elsewhere in the document
- [14:45:29] <davecardwell>
I take your point though, it would probably be safer to combine them all under one summary element
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I'll see what I can tweak
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [14:59:26] <davecardwell>
afternoon tantek
- [14:59:52] <davecardwell>
I wonder if you could cast your eye over something I asked a short while ago: "I would like to mark up more than one paragraph of a hresume as a summary - since they are not necessarily adjacent will am I safe to use class="summary" on more than one <p>, or must they be inside a single element with the class?"
- [15:00:24] <tantek>
you should use
- [15:00:27] <tantek>
value excerpting
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e.g. put a div around those <p>s
- [15:00:42] <davecardwell>
I'm trying to have a generic summary, and a couple more elsewhere in the document specific to particular skills
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with class="summary"
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on the div
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and then the specific <p>s in the summary, put class="value"
- [15:01:23] <tantek>
that should cause them to be concatenated into a summary
- [15:01:36] <tantek>
you may however just want to markup the generic summary with class="summary"
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as that is the intent of that property
- [15:01:53] <davecardwell>
hrm, yes that sounds sensible
- [15:01:56] <davecardwell>
thank you
- [15:03:13] <tantek>
np!
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are there any major event sites that use timezone offsets for scheduling
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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I'm doing a website for a couple who are getting married. They have asked for their details to be displayed as "Robin & Shelley Bloggs" followed by an address and phone numbers, but I'm not sure how to markup the names - do they have to be on seperate hcards as they are not really an 'organisation'?
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[[User talk:SamRose]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:SamRose&diff=0&oldid=15197 * SamRose * (+29) Thanks!
- [17:18:53] <Azath0th>
boy, the microformats wiki really has A LOT of information to draw from :)
- [17:31:08] <mkaply>
aajhiggs: i would probably do an fn of "Robin & Shelley Bloggs" and not specificy any n specifics or an org
- [17:31:09] <mkaply>
that should work
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thats what ive gone for in the end. thanks mkaply
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[[User:AndrewKuchling]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:AndrewKuchling * AndrewKuchling * (+99)
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=15198 * Montgoss * (+0) Example -
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=15199 * Tantek * (+0) Reverted edit of Montgoss, changed back to last version by DanMoore
- [19:15:23] <tantek>
I need to document the dtend thing better - it appears folks are "correcting" it incorrectly because it looks inconsistent for the visible text date to be 1 off from the ISO date.
- [19:18:09] <mkaply>
tantek: I know upcoming.org got it wrong. They haven't fixed it yet. I have a hack in Op 0.7 to work around upcoming.org
- [19:18:49] <mkaply>
The funny part is that they fix the dtend when exporting for outlook.
- [19:18:49] <tantek>
I wonder if it is too late for us to change this
- [19:18:54] <tantek>
yeah
- [19:19:08] <mkaply>
I don't see how we can change it since the vcard spec is clear
- [19:19:10] <mkaply>
isn't it?
- [19:19:18] <tantek>
iCalendar RFC2445, but yes
- [19:19:39] <mkaply>
short of creating a dtwhenitreallyends :)
- [19:19:40] <KevinMarks>
I got an alert from google calendar at 10 mins to midnight the day etech started. That was amusing
- [19:19:41] <tantek>
what we can do is point out how that semantic is user-unfriendly, causes confusion (cite all the examples we've experienced)
- [19:19:49] <tantek>
and then move the "logic" to converters
- [19:20:05] <mkaply>
KevinMarks: google calendar doesn't handle all day events well at all.
- [19:20:05] <tantek>
when doing hCalendar dtend -> iCalendar dtend parsing/conversion
- [19:20:46] <KevinMarks>
we could perhaps define the edge case of start/end being a non-timed date and identical as lasting a whole day; that is the common anomalous case
- [19:22:13] <mkaply>
KevinMarks: I've seen the problem a lot with multii day conferences that don't specify the time as well
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- [19:23:43] <tantek>
KevinMarks, I advise you to read the details of what RFC2445 says on dtstart and dtend before you make proposals - RFC2445 handles *some* of that already.
- [19:24:02] <tantek>
the case here is that Google Calendar may not be fully RFC2445 compliant.
- [19:24:59] <mkaply>
actually, I thought google was compliant.
- [19:25:17] <tantek>
the alarm 10mins to midnight doesn't sound compliant
- [19:25:20] <tantek>
or maybe it's just bad UI
- [19:26:00] <tantek>
mkaply, I mean both on input and output also - not sure if they treat imported .ics fully compliantly, especially if it causes an alarm at 10min to midnight
- [19:26:37] <mkaply>
tantek: I think it's bad UI. They require time/date for everything. So you can't express that an event is multiday without saying it starts at midnight
- [19:26:54] <Azath0th>
does the "exclusion" only apply for full day events? or do i have to set times also, say one minute after it ends?
- [19:27:36] <KevinMarks>
I can take them feedback - they do display the all-day events along the top as banners, as iCal does
- [19:27:48] <tantek>
mkaply, then that's not RFC2445 compliant
- [19:27:56] <tantek>
because iCal allows for "whole day" events
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- [19:28:21] <mkaply>
KevinMarks: but if I try to create an event without times, it doesn't work
- [19:28:48] <mkaply>
Azath0th: you're last.fm problem has caused me much pain. I am rewriting all my date/time conversions. Thanks :)
- [19:28:57] <Azath0th>
sorry *g*
- [19:29:30] <mkaply>
KevinMarks: hmm. I missed something here. hold on
- [19:30:20] <mkaply>
KevinMarks: ok. Got it. The all day stuff is there. I swear it wasn't before. The alarm problem must be something else
- [19:31:04] <KevinMarks>
it is there, yes
- [19:31:19] <KevinMarks>
and it bringsin the upcoming.org ones OK
- [19:31:45] <mkaply>
KevinMarks: except they are a day off. like
- [19:31:45] <mkaply>
http://upcoming.org/event/110145/
- [19:32:33] <KevinMarks>
hm, why is upcoming not putting the microformats in the RSS feed?
- [19:33:37] <mkaply>
Azath0th: basically it appears that there are services (multiple services) that don't like Z or TZ offset if seconds isn't specified. So what I'm doing now is normalizing all dates to have seconds. And I've added code to properly pass Z and TZ Offset to services that accept it or convert to local time if they don't
- [19:33:58] <Azath0th>
seems like the best way to do it
- [19:34:36] <mkaply>
so that event on lastfm registers at 6:34 AM for me in 30 boxes/google/outlook (so far)
- [19:34:52] <Azath0th>
great
- [19:35:01] <Azath0th>
i'll try it again once i'm done here
- [19:35:09] <tantek>
mkaply - when you find problems in hCalendar implementations PLEASE note them next to the implementation on http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-implementations
- [19:35:23] <tantek>
we have to publicly document these problems so the implementers know about it etc
- [19:35:28] <tantek>
and the same with examples in the wild
- [19:38:05] <mkaply>
tantek: i don't know that I call them problems though. The APIs can take whatever they want. The fact that google calendar doesn't take TZ offsets isn't really an hcalendar problem
- [19:38:26] <tantek>
no i mean like with the dtend stuff
- [19:38:29] <tantek>
as you mentioned for upcoming
- [19:38:36] <tantek>
you shouldn't have to put a workaround into operator
- [19:38:44] <tantek>
and certainly not without first publicly documenting the bug!
- [19:38:48] <mkaply>
tantek: I've been actively harassing them :)
- [19:39:10] <tantek>
noting it on the wiki helps the community as a whole
- [19:39:12] <mkaply>
Maybe I should publicly flog them like I did last time.
- [19:39:26] <tantek>
the more visible the data, the more accurate right?
- [19:39:44] <mkaply>
tantek: yep. Updating wild now.
- [19:40:05] <tantek>
thanks very much sir!
- [19:42:30] <mkaply>
tantek: Are you or anyone you know a drupal user?
- [19:42:54] <mkaply>
They use rel="tag" for their taxononmy modules which results in really bad tags (like 1 or 2 or 3)
- [19:43:09] <mkaply>
http://drupal.org/
- [19:49:21] <mkaply>
weird. I can browse the wiki, but it's not taking changes
- [19:52:37] <KevinMarks>
jonas luster did some work on drupal tagging a while back
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if you mix in the pathauto module then Drupal's rel-tags work great
- [20:07:54] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15200 * MikeKaply * (-3764) New Examples -
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- [20:13:42] <mkaply>
can someone revert examples in the wild please.
- [20:13:59] <mkaply>
hcalendar that is
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Is there a way I can do a revert easily? Or do I just cut and paste?
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15201 * Tantek * (+3764) Reverted edit of MikeKaply, changed back to last version by FlorianBeer
- [20:56:14] <tantek>
mkaply - just saw your note and reverted
- [20:56:28] <mkaply>
tantel: thanks
- [20:57:03] <tantek>
perhaps we need a word to summon admins that may have irc in the background
- [20:57:26] <mkaply>
should have used a name at least :)
- [20:57:28] <tantek>
perhaps "adminhelp" ?
- [20:58:24] <kingryan>
just say "tantek, kingryan, sreynen, bewest"
- [20:58:26] <kingryan>
:D
- [20:58:50] <tantek>
i've added "adminhelp" to my list of Highlight words in Colloquy
- [21:00:15] <sreynen>
either way works for me
- [21:00:15] <mkaply>
tantek: I'm having the same problem. My request to change the wiki is simply not returning. So if I cancel, I'll hose it again
- [21:00:31] <tantek>
what request to change the wiki?
- [21:00:38] <tantek>
if you close the window, that should work
- [21:00:49] <tantek>
if the wiki does change, you'll see it here in IRFC
- [21:00:50] <tantek>
IRC
- [21:01:19] * kingryan added "adminhelp" to list
- [21:01:29] <mkaply>
tantek: I'm trying to update that page again, but the submit is not returning. That's what caused me to mess up the page in the frist place. I waited for 5 minutes the first time
- [21:01:47] * mkaply waits patiently
- [21:01:47] <tantek>
what browser are you using?
- [21:01:53] <mkaply>
Firefox! :)
- [21:02:11] <tantek>
perhaps try IE7 and see if you get the same results?
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[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=15202 * RyanKing * (+147) added note about adminhelp
- [21:03:18] <mkaply>
I'm beginning to wonder if it is something in my change
- [21:03:29] <mkaply>
IT's nothing weird though
- [21:03:49] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15203 * MikeKaply * (-3764) New Examples -
- [21:04:11] <mkaply>
strange. Problem at the exact same place
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15204 * MikeKaply * (+4074) New Examples -
- [21:05:33] <mkaply>
worked in IE 6.
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- [21:05:44] <bewest>
hmm?
- [21:05:54] * bewest just saw his name highlighted
- [21:05:56] <tantek>
yeah, we've troubles before with particular browsers / browser-versions truncating content
- [21:05:57] * bewest scans
- [21:06:10] <tantek>
bewest, add "adminhelp" to your highlight list
- [21:06:23] <tantek>
and get another admin to do so as well ;)
- [21:06:27] <bewest>
hmm
- [21:06:31] * bewest checks gaim's options
- [21:06:32] <tantek>
and then get them to get another admin... etc.
- [21:07:18] <bewest>
ok gaim is not up to the task
- [21:07:21] <bewest>
:-(
- [21:08:08] <bewest>
maybe I can switch to irssi + some IRC->other chat gateway
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bitlbee
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- [21:20:32] <tylerr>
Woops hmm, tantek, should I be in #wasp? Seems the room is for the members only?
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- [21:21:23] <jibot>
iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
- [21:28:18] <tantek>
tylerr, you could ask and see what people say in the room
- [21:28:57] * tylerr nods
- [21:32:42] <pnhChris>
that would be a good idea . but no.. its not intended as a public forum
- [21:34:13] <tylerr>
Righto pnhChris. Eager to get involved here. :-)
- [21:36:51] <ianloic>
Hixie, so opera implemented <video>?
- [21:37:42] * tantek is experiencing IRC channel cross-overs.
- [21:38:01] <hober>
wheeee.
- [21:38:11] <ianloic>
tantek, that was irc crossing with twitter, actually
- [21:38:26] <pnhChris>
scary!
- [21:38:54] <ianloic>
not as scary as my coworker's twitter getting reposted as a private lj post from someone I haven't met
- [21:40:05] <factoryjoe>
ianloic: what do you think of The Coop?
- [21:40:08] <ianloic>
mkaply, we realised we could do light-weight microformattish page scraping in gecko using -moz-binding
- [21:40:24] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, well, they're not pretending to play nice anymore :)
- [21:40:55] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, but raj and anthony hacked together a myspace bar that did basically that at an SHDH and didn't depend on the site having an API
- [21:41:09] <factoryjoe>
i heard that
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though it never surfaced
- [21:41:13] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, and then we spend six months failing to work out the right way to generalize it.
- [21:41:23] <factoryjoe>
so firefox gets cred for being the first to have "people in the browser"
- [21:41:28] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [21:41:31] <factoryjoe>
rockstah!
- [21:41:43] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, so it's a hard problem that they haven't begun to solve, but the fact they're intending to is interesting
- [21:42:04] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, myspacebar has been in SVN forever
- [21:42:10] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, it's as released as "the coop"
- [21:42:28] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, but since it probably violates the ToS of MySpace it wasn't possible to promote it :(
- [21:42:40] <mkaply>
ianloic: so you're attaching an XBL binding to DOM nodes?
- [21:43:36] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, the flock nightlies have had facebook support for 5 or 6 months too
- [21:43:42] <factoryjoe>
ianloic: oh?
- [21:43:50] <factoryjoe>
i tried out sulfer and couldn't get into it
- [21:43:52] <ianloic>
mkaply, not yet, but we've been experimenting.
- [21:44:01] <factoryjoe>
i think that it's good to see FF movement on this
- [21:44:09] <factoryjoe>
will hopefully kick flock into gear
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but we'll see
- [21:44:34] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, yeah, it has to happen at the platform level. mozilla corp were always pretty hostile and flock management was always pretty paranoid so it wasn't really possible to try to push that stuff down
- [21:44:48] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, there's too much money on the line on both sides
- [21:45:31] <mkaply>
ianloic: so build your own version and screw them
- [21:45:33] <ianloic>
mkaply, imaging .vcard { -moz-binding: url(microformats.xml#hcard); }
- [21:45:47] <ianloic>
mkaply, that's Hard
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representing social stuff in the browser is hard
- [21:45:59] * mkaply means screw them in the nicest way possible since these logs are archived :)
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- [21:46:26] <ianloic>
trying to work out how much of the problem to bite off is tough. working out who you're building it for and what they actually want to do is hard.
- [21:46:34] <tantek>
mkaply, we tend to call that applying evolutionary pressure to the market
- [21:46:39] <ianloic>
the stuff flock is working on now is as far as I can tell pretty exciting
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but the damn thing needs to ship
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yeah
- [21:47:20] <factoryjoe>
yup
- [21:47:28] <ianloic>
mozilla corp has been pretty active in trying to marginalize flock though, not that flock hasn't been doing well at that itself.
- [21:47:34] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [21:47:49] <factoryjoe>
my interactions with mozilla have always been positive
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i mean, flock hired the whole netscape crew
- [21:48:03] <factoryjoe>
talk about revolving cannabalism
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not the whole crew
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one browser shits out a crew and then they get eaten up by the other end again
- [21:48:22] <factoryjoe>
talk about bubble innovation
- [21:48:28] <factoryjoe>
no, not the whole crew
- [21:48:43] <factoryjoe>
i still think getting game designers into the mix would be a good idea
- [21:48:50] <factoryjoe>
throw in the world of warcraft folks
- [21:48:54] <factoryjoe>
*then* we'll be talkin
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- [21:49:19] <pnhChris>
as long as the wow folks can't skin it as part of the deal :P
- [21:49:55] <ianloic>
we're doing some pretty rad skinning stuff in songbird, since half our team is from winamp
- [21:50:40] <factoryjoe>
true dat
- [21:51:38] * pnhChris isn't sure why he cares.. will probably just continue using camino anyway
- [21:52:07] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [21:53:10] <ianloic>
native browsers are nice
- [21:53:28] <ianloic>
firefox has just enough more momentum to prevent escape velocity
- [21:53:29] <factoryjoe>
btw i'm supposed to meet w/ rob friday AM
- [21:53:44] <ianloic>
I even got sucked in after being a long-time epiphany user
- [21:53:51] <ianloic>
factoryjoe, neat!
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- [21:55:09] <factoryjoe>
oh yes, epiphany!
- [21:57:23] <ianloic>
epiphany kicks ass
- [21:57:28] <ianloic>
since it's really really simple
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15206 * AndyMabbett * (+96) New Examples - Jean-Guilhem Rouel - W3C webmaster!
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