IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-05
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- [00:19:15] <kingryan>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryansking/446627734/
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heh
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- [00:25:50] <pnhChris>
he looks so happy!
- [00:26:09] <kingryan>
he was laughing because he had looked at the photo I took before that (not posted :D)
- [00:27:13] <pnhChris>
you missed me in the 'look ma' photo.. though i guess i should blame the alphabet for that
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tylerr is Tyler Roehmholdt and involves himself in the HTML WG and WaSP-related advocacy.
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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tylerr is Tyler Roehmholdt and involves himself in the HTML WG and WaSP-related advocacy.
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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[[User talk:Padawan]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Padawan * Padawan * (+7572) Case guests:website optimization (SEO) engaged fierce popular words
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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- [07:12:41] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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_fil_ is co-author of SPIP (www.spip.net) and works on implementing microformats in it
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- [08:03:48] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[User talk:Padawan]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:Padawan&diff=0&oldid=15208 * AndyMabbett * (-7572) blanking - spam ----------------------------------------------------------- !
- [09:52:43] <mfbot>
[[geo-extension-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-extension-strawman&diff=0&oldid=15209 * AndyMabbett * (+67)
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[[geo-extension-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-extension-strawman&diff=0&oldid=15210 * AndyMabbett * (+96) Issues - EtrS89
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=15211 * AndyMabbett * (+248) Issues - EtrS89 schema
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[[hcard-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=15212 * AndyMabbett * (-4) Issues -
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[[hcard-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=15213 * AndyMabbett * (+25) Issues - European Terrestrial Reference System 89
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=15214 * AndyMabbett * (-121) Geo - GeoCaching refusal
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=15215 * AndyMabbett * (+359) Rejections
- [11:03:45] <welly>
hi all.. with hcards, can the classes be applied to any tag as opposed to just div?
- [11:06:08] <mfbot>
[[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=15216 * AndyMabbett * (+188) Geo rejections - more
- [11:08:39] <mfbot>
[[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=15217 * AndyMabbett * (-4) Geo Successes - better example
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[[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=15218 * AndyMabbett * (-20) Geo Successes - match examples
- [11:11:07] <mfbot>
[[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=15219 * AndyMabbett * (+0) moving to correct section
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- [11:13:05] <trovster>
welly: Yes, with all microformats.
- [11:13:18] <trovster>
Although, there are some rules, like the datetime-pattern requires abbr
- [11:13:31] <welly>
ok cool. i'm just marking up some addresses
- [11:13:50] <welly>
so using <address class="vcard">...</address> - that's fine is it?
- [11:14:09] <trovster>
Yes.
- [11:14:18] <welly>
nice one.. cheers fella
- [11:17:14] <digitalspaghetti>
hey folks, q: i have my posts marked up in hAtom, and have my published tag like this: <abbr title="2007-03-30BST12:40:253600" class="published">Fri 30 Mar 2007 @ 12:03</abbr>
- [11:17:24] <digitalspaghetti>
however, tails seems to be ignoring it :(
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- [11:17:49] <trovster>
<abbr title="2007-03-30BST12:40:253600" class="updated published">Fri 30 Mar 2007 @ 12:03</abbr>
- [11:18:05] <trovster>
That date looks wierd.
- [11:18:15] <trovster>
BST? 253600 ?
- [11:18:27] <digitalspaghetti>
I currently have it as Y-m-dTH:i:sZ, should it me Y-m-d\TH:i:S\Z ?
- [11:18:53] <trovster>
in PHP, yes.
- [11:19:31] <digitalspaghetti>
i thought so, i get 2007-03-30T12:40:25Z but tails still ignores it :/
- [11:19:54] <trovster>
Do you have an updated class?
- [11:20:19] <digitalspaghetti>
not yet, but i was going to create it seperate as my posts have a created and modified field in the db
- [11:20:42] <trovster>
updated is required, whereas published is optional
- [11:20:48] <trovster>
Try class="updated published" for now
- [11:21:45] <trovster>
if($updated==$created && withinthreashold) class="updated published" else class="updated" ... class="published"
- [11:22:57] <welly>
is there a "preferred" firefox plugin? tails or operator?
- [11:23:18] <digitalspaghetti>
hrm, still nothing when doing "updated published" or just "updated"
- [11:24:59] <digitalspaghetti>
in fact, i've just noticed it's not picking up "author" as well....maybe it's a Tails bug then
- [11:27:22] <digitalspaghetti>
i'm going to a talk tommorow with brian suda, might just ask him then :)
- [11:28:03] <trovster>
welly: I prefer tails, coz operator was really slow when I tried it.
- [11:28:07] <welly>
ok
- [11:28:36] <trovster>
but I have both installed. Also, Operator infects my Firebug console :@
- [11:28:43] <welly>
ah right :)
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- [11:53:46] <mfbot>
[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=15220 * AndyMabbett * (+264) Geo Successes - Wikipedia-DE
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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[[media-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15221 * ManuSporny * (+126) Contributors -
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[[media-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15222 * ManuSporny * (+724) Added comments section, updated file format and codec information
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[[media-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15223 * ManuSporny * (+30) Splitting Content Semantics from File Format -
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[[media-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15224 * ManuSporny * (+1) Splitting Content Semantics from File Format -
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[[media-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15225 * ManuSporny * (-4) The Problem -
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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tylerr is Tyler Roehmholdt and involves himself in the HTML WG and WaSP-related advocacy.
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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did Operator 0.7 disable hAtom support?
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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cgriego: It was never "official"
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cgriego: i moved it to a user script
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http://www.kaply.com/weblog/operator-user-scripts/
- [16:24:05] <mkaply>
anyone know of a calendar site that uses microformats that also uses TZ offsets for events?
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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kingryan is ryan king
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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no one uses timezone offsets!
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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mkaply: no one? people just put floating time?
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- [18:49:56] <mkaply>
kingryan: yep. and the occasional Z. although this site uses Z - http://jhtc.org/ - incorrectly (I sent them mail
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never mind. they already fixed it
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- [19:11:08] <mkaply>
If someone has this as their tag:
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<A rel="tag" title="Fe bahà'í" href="blog/tag/Fe+bah%E0%27%ED" class="taglevel1">Fe bahà'í</A>
- [19:11:32] <mkaply>
what should I be using as the tag?
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is that plus a space?
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or is it a +
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tantek: that's for you :)
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I believe there is an RFC on URLs that answers that ;)
- [19:15:08] <tantek>
+ and " " and %20 are the same AFAIK
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in URls
- [19:15:44] <mkaply>
so how would you put a + in a tag then if you wanted to?
- [19:16:28] <mkaply>
should be converting + to %20 in tags. got it.
- [19:17:35] <mkaply>
currently I unescape the tag, but clearly that isn't catching the +. I shouldn't be displaying the + at al, right?
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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veeliam is William Lawrence <http://zaxbypass.com>
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kingryan is ryan king
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Hi,
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just have a very simple question.
- [20:14:11] <hober>
please ask it
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I have a page with a restaurant and many people submitted reviews to it.
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these are displayed on the same page
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is there anyway I can omit to display again the info about the restaurant for each review ?
- [20:15:19] <hober>
look at the include pattern on the wiki
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http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern
- [20:15:45] <tobie>
ok, so there is something - I was sure
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thanks
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kingryan is ryan king
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need an opinion
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Illegal characters in geo. The only characters which should occur in a Geo are digits, decimal points, the negative sign (- and possibly html entity versions) and semi-colons. Presently the template at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoTemplate (for example) generates a geo, with (literally) “latitude={latdegdec}” and which Operator treats as valid. Can Operator test for illegal characters, please?
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comment fram andy mabbett
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what do people think? Should I be testing things like geo for correct characters?
- [20:38:43] <AGraf``>
hm
- [20:38:46] <AGraf``>
yes i think so
- [20:39:15] <AGraf``>
ultimately it should be possible to validate all microformats
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when would a demicolon appear in a geo?
- [20:42:00] <AGraf``>
If latitude is present, so MUST be longitude, and vice versa.
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The secondary classes can be omitted, the two values MUST be separated by a semicolon and latitude MUST be first. This is used with the ABBR design pattern and the title attribute:<abbr class="geo" title="37.386013;-122.082932">Human Readable Text</abbr>
- [20:42:18] <AGraf``>
Coordinates use the datum of WGS84 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Geodetic_System).
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from http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-cheatsheet
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is there options to use different systems?
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I mean, in Australia there's a couple of different ones that are used instead of WGS84
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I'll check to make sure they are numbers, but I'm not going to validate that they are <180 or > -180
- [20:47:35] <mkaply>
that would require much more work
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- [20:50:50] <kingryan>
ianloic: I think we just reuse whatever vCard uses
- [20:51:11] <kingryan>
I think I'd prefer to limit it to one
- [20:52:20] <ianloic>
yeah
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so long as the geo microformat is for people who aren't GIS/cartographers/surveyors it doesn't matter
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ianloic : there is work on a more complete version of a geo microformat for those people
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and for waypoints and stuff
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AGraf``, ahh neat
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ianloic: we target the 80/20 of people. I'd guess that the professionals would be in the minority and they should be able to convert the coordinates anyway
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jcw9 is Jon Williams and can be found online at http://wizardishungry.com/blog/
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ianloic - the W3C GeoXG is working on a more complete geo for full geo spec
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ajturner, ahh nice
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there is also using georss in RDFa
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I think I just about sold factoryjoe on the benefits of RDF last night...
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*shudder*
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ianloic: I think you could convince him of many things :D
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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