IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-08-02

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  12. [01:22:39] <mfbot> [[User:ManuSporny]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ManuSporny&diff=0&oldid=19133 * ManuSporny * (-98) Essays About Microformats -
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  15. [01:52:57] <mfbot> [[TheNeedForDigitalMediaMicroformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=TheNeedForDigitalMediaMicroformats&diff=0&oldid=19134 * ManuSporny * (+647) Adding links, other small changes
  16. [02:01:18] <mfbot> [[TheNeedForDigitalMediaMicroformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=TheNeedForDigitalMediaMicroformats&diff=0&oldid=19135 * ManuSporny * (+29) Feedback -
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  18. [02:21:50] <mfbot> [[TheNeedForDigitalMediaMicroformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=TheNeedForDigitalMediaMicroformats&diff=0&oldid=19136 * ManuSporny * (+324) The Need for Digital Media Microformats -
  19. [02:29:31] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=19137 * ManuSporny * (+16) Exploratory Discussions - added issues link, removed NEW marker
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  26. [03:32:10] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19138 * ManuSporny * (+4190) Added tag image-only content issue
  27. [03:34:46] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19139 * ManuSporny * (-13)
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  29. [03:42:57] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19140 * ManuSporny * (+300) Redundant property names -
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  31. [04:31:40] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19141 * ManuSporny * (+1419) Step 2: Gather Examples and Similar Projects -
  32. [04:37:16] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19142 * ManuSporny * (+34) Step 1: Determine if a New Microformat is Needed -
  33. [04:37:32] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19143 * ManuSporny * (+28) Step 2: Gather Examples and Similar Projects -
  34. [04:37:53] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19144 * ManuSporny * (+6) Step 2: Gather Examples and Similar Projects -
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  39. [05:04:46] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19146 * ManuSporny * (+511) Step 3: Analyze the Examples for Common Attributes -
  40. [05:10:42] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19147 * ManuSporny * (+302) Step 2: Gather Examples and Similar Projects -
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  42. [05:25:35] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19149 * ManuSporny * (+1538) Step 4: Document the Analysis on the Wiki and Ask for Feedback -
  43. [05:26:21] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19150 * ManuSporny * (+43) Step 4: Check your work, Start Brainstorming, and Ask for Feedback -
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  49. [06:10:16] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19151 * ManuSporny * (+767) Step 5: Brainstorm Usage Scenarios and Proposals -
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  52. [06:16:43] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=19152 * HillaryLouiseJohnson * (+116) New Examples -
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  54. [06:18:59] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19153 * ManuSporny * (+14) image-summary Property -
  55. [06:19:25] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19154 * ManuSporny * (+42)
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  66. [07:03:34] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles&diff=0&oldid=19156 * Hunter * (+121) Services with hCard profiles -
  67. [07:04:50] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=19157 * Hunter * (+140) Services with hCard+XFN supporting friends lists -
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  70. [07:15:51] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=19158 * Tantek * (-3) 3eep friends list supports XFN, but not hCard for the friends themselves
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  72. [07:32:16] <nambor> hi all...anyone having trouble with the mailing list (e.g. microformats-discuss)?
  73. [07:32:39] <Atamido> There is a mailing list?
  74. [07:32:46] <nambor> 8)
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  85. [08:56:11] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=19159 * BarryCornelius * (-5) New Examples -
  86. [09:03:43] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=19160 * Brian * (-190) removed time committments, it takes as long as it takes
  87. [09:14:24] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+8386) NewMicroformatHowto moved to how-to-start-a-new-microformat
  88. [09:21:31] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=19161 * AndyMabbett * (-38) standard notation for variable ("[username]") [please complete for other entries]
  89. [09:22:12] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=19162 * AndyMabbett * (+1)
  90. [09:22:43] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=19163 * AndyMabbett * (-1) rm full stop
  91. [09:24:39] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19164 * AndyMabbett * (-7) make headingsl inkable
  92. [09:25:00] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19165 * AndyMabbett * (-1) fmt
  93. [09:25:11] <mfbot> [[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=19166 * Brian * (-4) switched reference of dicuss list to new list
  94. [09:26:37] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19167 * AndyMabbett * (+1) =
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  98. [09:30:04] <mfbot> [[how-to-start-a-new-microformat]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-start-a-new-microformat&diff=0&oldid=19168 * Brian * (+3261) reworked text from the process page, removed numerical quotes, rearranged order to be more inline with process - not finished yet
  99. [09:31:35] <mfbot> [[User:ManuSporny]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ManuSporny&diff=0&oldid=19169 * AndyMabbett * (+9) renamed per naming guidelines
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  101. [09:35:32] <mfbot> [[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=19171 * AndyMabbett * (-2) Propose a Microformat - fm for accessibility
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  139. [13:06:07] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19173 * Brian * (+13) added rel property
  140. [13:13:09] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19174 * Brian * (+1723) Added Sperate Issues section
  141. [13:13:44] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19175 * Brian * (+0) formatting correction
  142. [13:29:41] <mfbot> [[how-to-start-a-new-microformat]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-start-a-new-microformat&diff=0&oldid=19176 * ManuSporny * (+184) The New Microformat HOW-TO -
  143. [13:29:57] <mfbot> [[how-to-start-a-new-microformat]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-start-a-new-microformat&diff=0&oldid=19177 * ManuSporny * (-159) The New Microformat HOW-TO -
  144. [13:30:48] <mfbot> [[how-to-start-a-new-microformat]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-start-a-new-microformat&diff=0&oldid=19178 * ManuSporny * (+19) The New Microformat HOW-TO -
  145. [13:32:44] <mfbot> [[need-for-digital-media-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=need-for-digital-media-microformats&diff=0&oldid=19179 * Brian * (+303) free this page and let it work like the rest of the wiki
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  154. [14:38:08] <strazi> Is character encoding okay in a "fn"?
  155. [14:40:10] <vant> strazi: what do you mean?
  156. [14:40:34] <strazi> Like "Hard Rock Caf&eacute;"
  157. [14:40:54] <vant> oh, using entities
  158. [14:41:01] <strazi> yes, sorry
  159. [14:41:30] <vant> i don't know what vCard spec states,,, but i guess it's okay
  160. [14:41:44] <strazi> have you used the Operator addon for firefox?
  161. [14:41:58] <vant> yeah
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  164. [14:43:25] <strazi> When I use the entity, the contact is exported as "No name" but when I remove it, it shows up as expected, I wasn't sure if this was a problem with the addon or if entities were not allowed
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  196. [16:20:55] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19188 * Tantek * (+927) added ADR without children FAQ proposal
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  206. [16:54:25] <mkaply> are icalendar dates supposed to always be in Z time? Or can they be local?
  207. [16:56:01] <mkaply> ical not support TZ offsets REALLY sucks
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  228. [18:27:14] <Xsss4hell> Hi
  229. [18:28:33] <Xsss4hell> Why do you use divs ands spans for hCards and tell people it's semantically correct, when (x)html has it's own tag for adresses that's supported since IE4, the <adress> tag??
  230. [18:29:11] <Xsss4hell> the <adress> tag get recognized as adress, by screenreader as far as I know.
  231. [18:29:44] <Xsss4hell> but span and divs are just containers, so I'd be happy if someone can explain me this
  232. [18:32:16] <mkaply> address tag is not an addresss
  233. [18:32:17] <mkaply> Per the spec
  234. [18:32:25] <mkaply> as in, not a generic address
  235. [18:32:43] <mkaply> <address> Description:
  236. [18:32:43] <mkaply> Provides information about the author(s) of the page or a significant portion. Usually appears at the top or bottom of a document.
  237. [18:33:09] <mkaply> so an hCard can be an address (in the case where the hCard is for the author of the page)
  238. [18:33:20] <mkaply> but if I put some address on my web page, it should NOT be an <ADDRESS>
  239. [18:34:12] <Xsss4hell> u say the <adress> tag is not for adresses?
  240. [18:34:39] <mkaply> It's for the address of the author of the page. Not a generic tag for addresses in general.
  241. [18:34:44] <Xsss4hell> I thought if the author of the page wants to tell his adress he can use this tag.
  242. [18:34:52] <Xsss4hell> ah
  243. [18:35:13] <Xsss4hell> isn't that stupid?? why make a tag for ONE Person only
  244. [18:35:41] <Xsss4hell> why not <adress rel="author">I'm Rick James</adress>
  245. [18:35:43] <mkaply> Probably something in history. It was originally intended to provide contact information for a web page
  246. [18:36:18] <Xsss4hell> then you could use <adress rel="mother of rick">I'm Rick James's mother</adress>
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  248. [18:38:19] <Xsss4hell> there are so many possibilities if you can use "rel", as I know you can use rel for anchors, so why not use it for adresses?
  249. [18:40:26] <mkaply> Xsss4hell: technically rel is about page relationships, per the spec. and it is only valid on an anchor
  250. [18:42:48] <Xsss4hell> so it's invalid`? I don't know and you know what? I'll just test it, if the w3c validator say now, then ok.
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  253. [19:04:46] <mfbot> [[xoxo-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19191 * DimitriGlazkov * (+1058) Added thoughts on parsing special properties
  254. [19:05:22] <mfbot> [[xoxo-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19192 * DimitriGlazkov * (+5) bleh, fixing phraseology
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  264. [19:22:56] <mkaply> what is {{subst}}?
  265. [19:45:10] <mfbot> [[xoxo-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19193 * DimitriGlazkov * (+46) tweaking language
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  271. [19:51:37] <dglazkov> anybody interested in parsing zozo?
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  275. [19:53:54] <dglazkov> anybody currently interested in XOXO?
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  282. [20:16:19] <Xsss4hell> what?
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  286. [20:34:13] <mkaply> no microformats on facebook. tragic
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  288. [20:35:38] <dglazkov> yes microformats... somewhat.. on facebook
  289. [20:35:52] <dglazkov> check out eran's hCard :)
  290. [20:36:47] <dglazkov> and magnolia app tries to generate rel-tags, incorrectly though
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  294. [20:43:13] <dglazkov> and xfolk
  295. [20:43:30] <dglazkov> nobody else excited about XOXO? :)
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  301. [20:53:28] <SignpostMarv> whats this about XOXO ?
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  307. [21:06:53] <kingryan> http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo
  308. [21:07:20] * SignpostMarv means about the need to be excited about XOXO
  309. [21:07:48] <WilleRaab> I must admit, I've never really understood xoxo - not really understood the use for it. Please enlighten me...?
  310. [21:08:11] <SignpostMarv> tosses OPML out of the window
  311. [21:08:23] <WilleRaab> (and since i'm in an admitting mood, i must also admit that not understanding xoxo was in a nightmare i hade a week ago... ,-) ))
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  314. [21:29:28] * mkaply never understood xoxo either
  315. [21:29:56] <kingryan> just think of it as a "better opml"
  316. [21:30:02] <kingryan> and a building block for other things
  317. [21:30:13] <WilleRaab> mm.. yeah, that's 'bout as far as I got... :)
  318. [21:30:34] <WilleRaab> ... then I thought, "oh well, if I've ever get the need for somehing of this kind, I'll try to remember to try this.."
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  343. [23:07:24] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=19194 * SimonW * (+427) Social Network Portability FAQ - - note about an OpenID being a globally unique identifier
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