IRC Log for #openid on 2007-04-04

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  1. [00:00:30] <rgl_> ah alright :D
  2. [00:01:05] <rgl_> I can grok python :D
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  4. [00:01:32] <_keturn> darcs get http://www.openidenabled.com/resources/repos/python/oiddiag/
  5. [00:01:36] <rgl_> is the PHP library updated to OID 2.0 too?
  6. [00:01:55] <_keturn> not quite yet
  7. [00:02:54] <rgl_> ah, so I might add 2.0 to my provider before you :D
  8. [00:03:16] <rgl_> (unprobable hehe)
  9. [00:03:31] <rgl_> thx for the link _keturn . :D
  10. [00:03:42] <rgl_> btw, does it also test OID 2.0?
  11. [00:04:21] <_keturn> nope
  12. [00:05:33] <rgl_> humm, I can't browse the darcs repository using my browser? (I don't have darcs client)
  13. [00:06:15] <rgl_> oh.. I'm blind! its there! nm.
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  17. [00:23:15] <elliottcable> Anybody around?
  18. [00:24:43] <cygnus> usually
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  20. [00:25:45] <elliottcable> Tell me what you think:
  21. [00:25:46] <elliottcable> http://simplelog.elliottcable.com/archives/2007/4/4/enduser_openid_implementation/
  22. [00:26:46] <elliottcable> ... and please don't try to sign up for the ident server, its borked d-:
  23. [00:28:04] <cygnus> I'm no browser extension / javascript guru, but I suspect it's not possible to do what you propose
  24. [00:28:13] <elliottcable> cygnus: Why not?
  25. [00:28:22] <cygnus> i.e. have javascript scrape the sreg response information from your OpenID and put it into arbitrary form fields
  26. [00:28:51] <elliottcable> cygnus: I wasn't actually thinking about it doing that
  27. [00:29:05] <cygnus> "You accept it to grab your info, and then the javascriptlet(wd?) fills in all the fields in the form in a somewhat intelligent manner with the info from your OpenID profile."
  28. [00:29:06] <elliottcable> the javascript slaves over the information it scrapes about the HTML forms on the pages, to some web app
  29. [00:29:20] <elliottcable> then the web app, asks for authentication from your OpenID server
  30. [00:29:54] <elliottcable> then it tries to associate the responses it gets with the form fields - Nickname to User Name, Home E-Mail to 'VALID email address' and etcetra
  31. [00:30:16] <elliottcable> asks for your verification that it did so correctly, then the javascript boomkarklet fills it out
  32. [00:30:24] <elliottcable> sound más feasible?
  33. [00:30:49] <cygnus> I dunno. anyone else in here work on browser extensions?
  34. [00:31:14] <elliottcable> cygnus: Not a browser extension, this should work with any browser. Hence a bookmarklet of some sort.
  35. [00:31:22] <cygnus> I'm thinking it would be more cost-effective to bug the site admins to support OpenID, because the correlation between sreg fields and the registration form fields on most sites will be hit-or-miss
  36. [00:31:24] <elliottcable> I wasn't thinking about implementing it myself right now, just a nebuluous idea
  37. [00:31:42] <elliottcable> cygnus: true, but I can't 'bug' the side admins of every site I visit.
  38. [00:31:42] * cygnus nods
  39. [00:32:03] <cygnus> elliottcable: it's true, but if everybody did that, there *would* be more OpenID RPs out there.
  40. [00:32:07] <elliottcable> whereas I could use this on every non-OpenID site I visit. Which so far, even though I have an OpenID url, has been every single frescking one
  41. [00:32:15] <elliottcable> RP?
  42. [00:32:24] <cygnus> PR = Relying Party. A site that permits OpenID login.
  43. [00:32:29] <cygnus> er.
  44. [00:32:29] <cygnus> RP.
  45. [00:32:45] <elliottcable> ah I see
  46. [00:32:48] <elliottcable> lol
  47. [00:32:55] <cygnus> but I really doubt you could use such a thing on "every non-OpenID site you visit" because every registration form is going to differ.
  48. [00:33:22] <elliottcable> well it is a LOT of work for the laymen who run little random sites to integrate something for one person to use. I don't except to see much web integration of the standard till one big player or another goes with it
  49. [00:33:25] <cygnus> I'm not trying to tear you down; I'm just trying to weigh the benefits of doing that vs. just bugging admins.
  50. [00:33:28] <elliottcable> though I expect that to be fairly soon
  51. [00:34:11] <elliottcable> cygnus: Yeah, true, but the web app could be fairly robust in matching info with the fields. e-mail, nickname, password, address, phone number, most of those would be fairly easy to paarse
  52. [00:34:17] <elliottcable> s/paarse/parse/
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  54. [00:34:41] <cygnus> elliottcable: yeah, assuming the form field names are at all meaningful.
  55. [00:34:45] <cygnus> which in my view is the rub.
  56. [00:35:05] <cygnus> but, you could probably make it work for a large number of cases.
  57. [00:35:42] <elliottcable> cygnus: so a small number of sites that use openid + a small number of sites that have parseable registration pages = still more than a small number of sites that use OpenID
  58. [00:35:45] <elliottcable> d-:
  59. [00:35:48] <elliottcable> lol
  60. [00:35:50] <elliottcable> anyway
  61. [00:35:55] <elliottcable> just an idea, wanted to see what you thought
  62. [00:35:59] <elliottcable> thanks for reading™!
  63. [00:36:10] <cygnus> yw
  64. [00:49:12] <trel1023> elliottcable: this is kind of what sxipper does
  65. [00:50:09] <trel1023> http://www.sxipper.com/faq_maps
  66. [00:52:33] <elliottcable> trel1023: that looks pretty cool - but it's firefox only, and you have to sign up for their service (no using your own OpenID)
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  69. [01:01:18] <GabeW> hey
  70. [01:04:58] <GabeW> http://groups.google.com/group/openid4java/browse_thread/thread/2ce1e5ae4e0defe5
  71. [01:05:15] <GabeW> new sample jsp-based consumer and provider using openid4java
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  82. [02:04:46] <bignose> an OpenID can be any HTTP URL, yes?
  83. [02:04:59] <elliottcable> bignose: yep
  84. [02:04:59] <bignose> including an HTTPS URL?
  85. [02:05:05] <elliottcable> bignose: Ummm I dunno bout that
  86. [02:10:26] <larz3> yes
  87. [02:11:01] <bignose> dang.
  88. [02:11:21] <bignose> I was hoping that I could ignore the scheme part of the URL when displaying it
  89. [02:11:32] <bignose> but it looks like it'll have to be more complex than that.
  90. [02:11:34] <larz3> bignose, http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0-11.html#anchor49
  91. [02:11:39] <bignose> larz3: thanks
  92. [02:12:30] <_keturn> there are xri://$ip* examples in the OpenID spec!????
  93. [02:12:39] <_keturn> I wish I hadn't seen that
  94. [02:12:57] <larz3> hahah
  95. [02:13:59] <bignose> someone thinks XRI compatibility is important enough to make part of OpenID :-/
  96. [02:14:09] <_keturn> oh, I knew that part
  97. [02:14:15] <larz3> _keturn, i can't imagine a case where any sane user would enter xri://$ip*1.2.3.4 or xri://$dns*example3.com
  98. [02:14:32] <bignose> larz3: it could be generated by existing XRI software though
  99. [02:15:45] <larz3> bignose, good point
  100. [02:16:20] <_keturn> but, not to be snobby about this or anything, but I'm somewhere in the 99th percentile of people-who-understand-XRI-in-the-context-of-OpenID, and *I* didn't know about $dns or $ip
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  104. [03:01:59] <keturn> so, six and a half miles later, I still can't think of a compelling reason why you would ever formulate an identifier as xri://$dns*example.com, let alone why you would use it as an OpenID input
  105. [03:09:56] <bignose> I presumed that form was already defined elsewhere
  106. [03:10:14] <bignose> and that OpenID was simply specified to consume it
  107. [03:15:02] <keturn> that must be the case, yes
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  113. [05:20:34] <GabeW> i mean, it was really good
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  115. [05:21:22] <GabeW> woops, wrong channel
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  138. [13:51:25] <AdamPilorz> Hello everybody
  139. [13:51:45] <AdamPilorz> I've got a question about writing an openID enabled website
  140. [13:52:46] <AdamPilorz> Can web server access user info without user currently logged in?
  141. [13:54:30] <AdamPilorz> I mean, if somebody logs in into my website once and grants me access to some specific data (for example e-mail address), can I read this e-mail address later using only OpenID URL?
  142. [13:56:40] <AdamPilorz> On the other hand I can save user's data in my own database server, but when user changes e-mail address on OpenID account I will still remember his old e-mail address, and it's a bit against OpenID idea, isn't it?
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  144. [14:04:36] <AdamPilorz> Hello everybody
  145. [14:04:41] <AdamPilorz> I've got a question about writing an openID enabled website
  146. [14:04:48] <AdamPilorz> Can web server access user info without user currently logged in?
  147. [14:04:53] <AdamPilorz> I mean, if somebody logs in into my website once and grants me access to some specific data (for example e-mail address), can I read this e-mail address later using only OpenID URL?
  148. [14:04:58] <AdamPilorz> On the other hand I can save user's data in my own database server, but when user changes e-mail address on OpenID account I will still remember his old e-mail address, and it's a bit against OpenID idea, isn't it?
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  150. [14:06:33] <AdamPilorz> Anybody alive? :)
  151. [14:07:13] <Prometheus^> AdamPilorz: I'm no expert on the subject, but I /think/ that would depend on what kind of access grant they give you
  152. [14:07:39] <Prometheus^> do they grant you one-time access or "lifetime" access, so to speak, to their details
  153. [14:23:03] <AdamPilorz> Hmm... So what should I do in case of everything work fine? Save data in my database and every time when I need those informations try to ask OpenID provider, whether I have access to those data?
  154. [14:23:53] <AdamPilorz> E... "in case of" wasn't used too fortunately here ;)
  155. [14:33:52] <Prometheus^> I suppose so
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  160. [15:16:59] <keturn> AdamPilorz: unfortunately the only way that OpenID has to decide if the user wants to allow that transfer of data is by going through the browser.
  161. [15:17:36] <keturn> So things like email, which you need to use when the user isn't currently logged in with a browser to your site, you kinda have to store yourself, even though that's less than ideal.
  162. [15:17:56] <AdamPilorz> So, the data is only provided to web site while user is logging in?
  163. [15:18:19] <keturn> right
  164. [15:20:15] <AdamPilorz> Well, thank you for this info.
  165. [15:20:43] <AdamPilorz> And is it possible to change in the future (for example in OpenID2 or 3)?
  166. [15:21:24] <AdamPilorz> As far as I found out the OpenID 2.0 is still under development...
  167. [15:21:53] <keturn> hopefully there won't be many more changes to 2.0
  168. [15:22:58] <keturn> it is obviously a very useful sort of capability, so a future version may find a way to support it, and there have been a number of related threads about that on the list lately ("server to server communication" is one such, I think)
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  170. [15:25:17] <AdamPilorz> So, as I can understand, currently I have to create user info database table, just like in normal local-user implementation, but replace nickname and password hash by OpenID identifier, and every time user logs in update his record by info provided by OpenID provider. Am I right?
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  172. [15:26:35] <trel1023> if you ask for and receive sreg information on every login - then yes, you could do that.
  173. [15:26:41] <trel1023> but it might get annoying for the user
  174. [15:40:55] <VxJasonxV> Ugh
  175. [15:40:59] <VxJasonxV> rorek, ping?
  176. [15:41:13] <VxJasonxV> keturn, wanna be my best buddy and provide some insight into something? :)
  177. [15:41:56] <keturn> VxJasonxV: maaaaaaaaybe
  178. [15:42:21] <VxJasonxV> http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=40&page=4&replies=55#post-2525
  179. [15:45:55] <keturn> I like how the comment ends with "OpenID, on blogs, is a bad thing because it discourages blog owners from allowing anonymous users to comment." and right below that the reply button says "You must log in to post."
  180. [15:46:48] <VxJasonxV> well
  181. [15:46:52] <VxJasonxV> That's not a blog you're reading
  182. [15:47:02] <VxJasonxV> blogs aren't websites. duh keturn [/sarc]
  183. [15:47:21] <keturn> but, without going back through the other 54 messages for context, I have a few reactions
  184. [15:47:33] <VxJasonxV> I'm sure I flubbed up a few times.
  185. [15:47:46] <VxJasonxV> the old ones don't matter, just that newest post is the most important
  186. [15:50:06] <keturn> one is about discouraging anonymous comments, which I thought everyone was already doing *anyway*, regardless of OpenID or anything like it. But I think that's a tar pit that's not really related to the central discussion
  187. [15:51:10] <keturn> (because OpenID doesn't fundamentally change any many characteristics of anonymity on the Internet.)
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  189. [15:51:24] <keturn> (and there was at least one too many words in there)
  190. [15:52:08] <VxJasonxV> I agre
  191. [15:52:10] <VxJasonxV> +e
  192. [15:52:16] <VxJasonxV> the landscape of anonymity isn't going to change.
  193. [15:52:23] <VxJasonxV> Accounts already exist, people already claim to use them
  194. [15:52:46] <VxJasonxV> btw, both he (Otto42) and Matt (photomatt) have claimed that 'The majority of Wordpress blogs allow anonymous commenting'
  195. [15:53:05] <keturn> the other is that a thing OpenID gives you is, if you trust the blog uses OpenID to authn comment owners, then when you read a comment linked to "ottodestruct.com", you have some assurance that the guy who runs ottodestruct.com is actually related to that comment somehow
  196. [15:53:34] <VxJasonxV> Identity.
  197. [15:53:39] <keturn> although I kinda get the feeling that Otto42 might say that it doesn't matter who leaves the comments?
  198. [15:53:45] <VxJasonxV> A confirmed (albeit through a third party), unique identity
  199. [15:53:54] <VxJasonxV> he hasn't said that yet
  200. [15:54:04] <VxJasonxV> he's just a big proponent of Anonymity on the web, for whatever reason
  201. [15:54:33] <VxJasonxV> btw, the real gem. In the context of user accounts in WordPress. I said OpenId doesn't change anything because Wordpress already has user accounts and the ability to require registration
  202. [15:54:40] <VxJasonxV> he says: "The feature does exist. Hardly anybody uses it, but it does exist, I grant you."
  203. [15:54:59] <VxJasonxV> I laugh so hard every time I read that. NO ONE can accurately count (well, besides maybe google) who does and doesn't require commenting
  204. [15:55:34] <keturn> However, in light of the meankids.org vs Kathy Sierra firestorm, which (IIRC) involved at least one post with a falsified name
  205. [15:56:02] <VxJasonxV> I read a post or three about that
  206. [15:56:08] <VxJasonxV> I'm still absolutely and completely confused
  207. [15:56:15] <VxJasonxV> but I thin kthat's one I don't care to get the backstory too
  208. [16:01:26] <keturn> OpenID doesn't really take away anonymity -- anyone can still post as nopassword.org/sockpuppet or whatever, but it does make it harder to misuse someone else's online persona.
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  212. [16:17:26] <VxJasonxV> hmm
  213. [16:17:30] <VxJasonxV> keturn, I missed something pretty obvious.
  214. [16:17:44] <VxJasonxV> Otto42: Your name/email/url are now attached to, say, a comment you left on the site. And so would mine, with anonymous commenting.
  215. [16:17:53] <VxJasonxV> My pending response: If you leave your info, you're kind of not anonymous anymore.
  216. [16:20:39] <AdamPilorz_> Well, that's still a bit different. When you leave "anonymous comment" with your e-mail, www and nickname, nobody can say, if those data really belongs to the person, who has written a comment (except for pages which requires e-mail confirmation for comment, if such exist).
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  218. [16:25:49] <VxJasonxV> That's true
  219. [16:25:53] <VxJasonxV> but it's still not anonymous
  220. [16:26:03] <VxJasonxV> anonymous is no information
  221. [16:26:12] <VxJasonxV> just because it's the wrong identity doesn't mean it's not identity
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  223. [16:40:43] * AdamPilorz_ is now known as AdamPilorz
  224. [16:43:10] <AdamPilorz> Well, it really depends on definition of anonymous posting, but I think that example@example.org as e-mail and www.example.org as web page can be treated just as no info :)
  225. [16:46:00] <VxJasonxV> :P
  226. [16:46:10] <VxJasonxV> keturn, when you return, I posted yet another follow up. You should go check it out :)
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  230. [17:55:48] <rorek> VxJasonxV, just noticed your ping. What's up?
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  235. [18:14:16] <trel1023> VxJasonxV: http://www.google.com/search?q=sam.wood+ottodestruct
  236. [18:14:43] <trel1023> http://picasaweb.google.com/sam.wood
  237. [18:16:57] <trel1023> Birthday 8 February 1976
  238. [18:16:57] <trel1023> Location Memphis, TN
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  244. [19:40:06] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
  245. [19:50:49] <VxJasonxV> trel1023, your point is... ?
  246. [19:51:17] <VxJasonxV> rorek, I was going to ask you a question about yout Guestbook Rails demo.
  247. [19:51:22] <VxJasonxV> But I've now forgotten what the question was :)
  248. [20:01:38] * KevinMarks (i=KevinMar@nat/google/x-0cebe23e61bfb576) Quit ("The computer fell asleep")
  249. [20:02:32] <_keturn> "Who says a thing is of *zero* importance by comparison to what is actually being said." -- Otto, which is where I was afraid he was coming from
  250. [20:05:46] <VxJasonxV> yeah
  251. [20:05:48] <VxJasonxV> just read that myself
  252. [20:06:05] <idnar> VxJasonxV: a one-use pseudonym is effectively equivalent to anonymity
  253. [20:07:04] <VxJasonxV> ehhh
  254. [20:07:06] <VxJasonxV> I gues so
  255. [20:07:21] <idnar> there are some nuances in there, of course, but I believe the basic concept is sound
  256. [20:08:31] <_keturn> well, yeah, but a one-use pseudonym is pretty much worthless to *everyone*, there's not much point in advocating people use those
  257. [20:09:02] * bricas (n=bricas@h64-5-219-130.gtcust.grouptelecom.net) Quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.78 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/0000000000]")
  258. [20:14:09] <_keturn> So the more interesting thread in that discussion for me right now is not trying to convince Otto that he wants to use OpenID, but examining his belief that adopting OpenID hurts the potential for anonymous expression
  259. [20:14:48] <VxJasonxV> you should chime in
  260. [20:16:25] <_keturn> heeeeeeeeeeeee
  261. [20:16:37] <_keturn> "Making people actually responsible for what they say online is a giant leap backwards in human history, and it should be discouraged at all costs."
  262. [20:17:05] <_keturn> This makes me doubt whether I can actually find enough common ground with him to have a discussion
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  264. [20:18:48] <_keturn> but hey, that's a new Jyte claim
  265. [20:18:58] <VxJasonxV> LOL
  266. [20:19:02] <VxJasonxV> I was going to do the same thing :)
  267. [20:19:08] <VxJasonxV> hey trel1023.
  268. [20:19:12] <VxJasonxV> I posted your info. Thanks much ;)
  269. [20:19:18] <VxJasonxV> not your info, the stuff you sent me.
  270. [20:19:22] <VxJasonxV> have a look over sometimer
  271. [20:19:24] <VxJasonxV> -r
  272. [20:19:47] <cygnus> yikes.
  273. [20:20:01] <VxJasonxV> yeah
  274. [20:20:08] <VxJasonxV> _keturn, link?
  275. [20:20:15] <trel1023> yeah, i just checked :)
  276. [20:21:34] <VxJasonxV> _keturn, I through your meankids vs. Kathy reference in there
  277. [20:21:37] <VxJasonxV> I didn't want too, but I did
  278. [20:21:42] <VxJasonxV> after he proved what an ignorant idiot he was
  279. [20:22:06] <VxJasonxV> trel1023, if you are on the money, and I believe that you are. I will be rolling in laughter
  280. [20:22:12] <VxJasonxV> I do hope that I don't scare him, because stalkers are scary
  281. [20:22:29] <trel1023> well.... asking for it is a little different than being stalked
  282. [20:22:32] <VxJasonxV> But, comeon. "My online life is seperate from my personal life!" That find @ picasa is PRICELESS
  283. [20:22:35] <VxJasonxV> this is true
  284. [20:23:45] <_keturn> ok, claimed
  285. [20:23:58] <VxJasonxV> voted too
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  287. [20:29:38] <VxJasonxV> _keturn, rachel needs to get in on this
  288. [20:29:44] <VxJasonxV> I would love to see that.
  289. [20:35:14] <_keturn> I mean, I've read my Lessig and I do not want what I do with OpenID to turn the internets into a tool of The Man
  290. [20:36:01] <_keturn> but really.
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  292. [20:37:04] <rgl> hello
  293. [20:37:38] <_keturn> I like that Jyte thinks "Wordpress is great!" is a similar claim =)
  294. [20:40:34] <VxJasonxV> heh
  295. [20:40:45] <idnar> heh
  296. [20:41:03] <VxJasonxV> _keturn,
  297. [20:41:12] <VxJasonxV> "Papers, please." Will not become the slogan for OpenID
  298. [20:41:13] <VxJasonxV> I promise.
  299. [20:41:38] <AdamPilorz> Anyone used SimpleOpenID PHP library?
  300. [20:42:00] <AdamPilorz> I can't find a way to query data from this class
  301. [20:42:34] <AdamPilorz> I can set, which data I want to collect from Identity provider, but I can't get those data in my script :O
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  304. [20:48:18] <AdamPilorz_> I had a connection error...
  305. [20:48:32] <AdamPilorz_> Any answer to my question during this time?
  306. [20:50:32] <_keturn> nope
  307. [20:50:41] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: I don't think anyone here has used it.
  308. [20:51:08] <_keturn> is that the one j3h poked a bunch of holes in that one time?
  309. [20:51:17] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: and you're likely to be directed to the Janrain PHP OpenID library, which provides access to that data in a straightforward manner.
  310. [20:51:53] <AdamPilorz_> Yeah, I've seen this library...
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  312. [20:53:08] <AdamPilorz_> It's powerful, but huge. And I don't actually get it why it works fine on my server and doesn't work on my local machine for my account, while working for another :)
  313. [20:53:50] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: I'm guessing it's a configuration problem.
  314. [20:53:57] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: and as for the size, that shouldn't really matter.
  315. [20:54:28] <cygnus> (completely ignoring the fact that OpenID is non-trivial and cannot be implemented properly in a "small" library.)
  316. [20:55:24] <AdamPilorz_> Well, it's not problem of kilobytes, because it's really not much, but it's much more complicated to understand the way it works :)
  317. [20:56:39] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: it's true that larger libs take more time to grok. If there's something you don't understand, you can submit a patch to the documentation or let us know if we can clarify a particular piece. there are lots of docs, but I'm sure they could be better.
  318. [20:57:03] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: but arguably, as a library user, you *shouldn't* need to know how it works, just how to use it. but I digress.
  319. [20:57:42] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: we *are* interested in getting more eyes on the code and we invite people to poke at it and learn more about it.
  320. [20:58:36] <AdamPilorz_> Well, and to be honest, there's a big problem - I couldn't find any documents describing how to actually USE this library, so I had to take a look inside it...
  321. [20:59:05] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: the library comes with an example consumer and server; those should be sufficient to show how to use the library, I think
  322. [20:59:33] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: however, if you would like to write up a tutorial for other users, we'd be happy to include it in the distribution.
  323. [21:00:06] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: (or even a small application using a popular framework.)
  324. [21:00:20] <AdamPilorz_> Well, should be :) But if I can't properly test it on my machine, it's hard to understand it :)
  325. [21:01:23] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: then the next step is to get help with running on your machine and its configuration
  326. [21:01:29] <AdamPilorz_> My goal is to include OpenID as authorization method for my open-source application, but I have found it harder than I thought :)
  327. [21:02:31] <cygnus> AdamPilorz_: if you haven't already, I recommend subscribing (and posting) to dev@lists.openidenabled.com
  328. [21:02:51] <cygnus> if you're already on it, awaken a thread to get some eyes on the problem
  329. [21:04:54] <cygnus> (in particular, visit http://lists.openidenabled.com/mailman/listinfo/dev)
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  331. [21:05:43] * cygnus changes topic to 'http://openid.net - channel logged at http://rbach.priv.at/OpenID-IRC/ || Janrain dev list: http://xrl.us/vmtm || python-openid 2.0.0 Release Candidate #2 @ http://alnk.org/ironictrain'
  332. [21:10:34] <VxJasonxV> bah
  333. [21:10:40] <VxJasonxV> nobody cares about python! give us PHP OpenID 2!
  334. [21:10:41] <VxJasonxV> :P
  335. [21:11:27] * cygnus frowns at VxJasonxV
  336. [21:14:36] <VxJasonxV> :)
  337. [21:14:40] <VxJasonxV> I kid.
  338. [21:16:23] <cygnus> VxJasonxV: I don't have numbers, but in terms of support requests, the PHP library gets more attention. that's not too surprising, even if you don't assume it's due to bugs in the library. :)
  339. [21:18:11] <VxJasonxV> heh
  340. [21:25:50] * VxJasonxV sighs
  341. [21:25:57] <VxJasonxV> and now I stop and wait to see what he said
  342. [21:26:01] <VxJasonxV> says*
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  345. [22:17:02] <AdamPilorz_> Good night/day too you all (in Poland it's just after midnight :) ). Tomorrow I'll give OpenID development another try :). Bye.
  346. [22:17:09] <AdamPilorz_> And thanks for help
  347. [22:17:36] <cygnus> yw, good luck
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