IRC Log for #openid on 2007-10-02
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Skwid_ is cool
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- [08:36:05] <NASA>
helly everyone
- [08:36:35] <NASA>
anyone using joid? or had experience with it?
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- [13:17:17] <jibot>
marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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- [13:44:57] <melvster>
hi nasa
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- [17:03:40] <don-o>
never heard of it.
- [17:04:03] <don-o>
i just plugged in Will Norris's wordpress openid plugin
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- [17:53:08] <melvster>
never heard of what?
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- [18:15:14] <jibot>
marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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evanpro is Evan Prodromou, info at http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Evan
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- [19:39:21] <Heini_>
hi
- [19:39:26] <melvster>
hi
- [19:40:15] <Heini_>
as you might guess I have some problems with setting up openid ... exactly phpmyopenid
- [19:40:56] <Heini_>
I used this package: http://labs.bendodson.com/phpmyopenid/
- [19:41:34] <Heini_>
now I get this "Missing expected authorization header" error
- [19:41:58] <Heini_>
but even the method with the .htaccess file doesn't work
- [19:42:06] <Heini_>
any ideas?
- [19:42:18] <melvster>
so you're using phpmyid?
- [19:42:56] <Heini_>
yes
- [19:43:09] <melvster>
what's the URI?
- [19:43:13] <Heini_>
http://www.heinecke-networks.de/openID/
- [19:44:03] <melvster>
mine has a different realm
- [19:44:31] <melvster>
http://melvster.com/server.php
- [19:44:43] <melvster>
not sure how big a deal that is
- [19:45:19] <melvster>
hmm odd mine also has a login button
- [19:45:50] <Heini_>
I read in the FAQ that is has something to do with safe_mode
- [19:46:20] <melvster>
oh, i see
- [19:46:39] <Heini_>
The link is missing because of another file version I think...
- [19:47:11] <Heini_>
is your safe_mode disabled?
- [19:47:27] <melvster>
i think so
- [19:47:59] <melvster>
let me see if i can get you my code
- [19:48:13] <melvster>
ill just need to change the has
- [19:49:00] <Heini_>
ok
- [19:49:25] <melvster>
i run it as one file
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server.php
- [19:49:32] <melvster>
config and server together
- [19:49:36] <melvster>
so you only need 1 file
- [19:50:12] <Heini_>
good idea
- [19:50:20] <melvster>
actually thats how it was originally done
- [19:50:31] <melvster>
he only split it in later versions
- [19:50:43] <Heini_>
I see...
- [19:50:53] <melvster>
ok just uploading the code
- [19:51:22] <melvster>
http://melvster.com/index.php?show=4
- [19:51:24] <melvster>
this is what i use
- [19:51:43] <melvster>
ive set the hash to test/test for username password
- [19:52:09] <melvster>
you can cut and paste the text from the bottom of the page
- [19:53:00] <melvster>
#
- [19:53:01] <melvster>
$profile['php_realm'] = $profile['auth_realm'] . (ini_get('safe_mode') ? '-' . getmyuid() : '');
- [19:53:16] <melvster>
looks like you can cut and paste from the top too, cool
- [19:53:32] <Heini_>
you can just download the file
- [19:53:54] <melvster>
cool
- [19:53:59] <melvster>
SO you need to set the md5
- [19:54:11] <Heini_>
user and password is test?
- [19:54:14] <melvster>
'username:realm:password'
- [19:54:19] <melvster>
well yes for me it is
- [19:54:27] <melvster>
but my realm is different
- [19:54:35] <melvster>
you'll need a new md5
- [19:54:38] <melvster>
let me get it for you
- [19:54:39] <Heini_>
ok...I will test it with the test user
- [19:54:52] <Heini_>
and create md5 later
- [19:55:25] <melvster>
but you have a different realm
- [19:55:31] <melvster>
so the password may not authenticate
- [19:55:39] <melvster>
f248a72f8646cbf06c72bebe60cd5857
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- [19:55:42] <melvster>
try that maybe
- [19:56:01] <melvster>
line 24
- [19:56:19] <Heini_>
I think I found the problem...it shows this message "PHP cannot save sessions."
- [19:56:28] <melvster>
oh
- [19:56:44] <Heini_>
well...but I'm sure sessions are enabled on my webspace...
- [19:57:12] <melvster>
you need access to /tmp i think
- [19:57:18] <melvster>
that's where it stores sessions
- [19:58:01] <Heini_>
how can I check this?
- [19:58:14] <baughj>
Can anyone help me with a problem I'm having with the JanRain standalone server?
- [19:58:48] <baughj>
when I attempt to login to an openid enabled site, I get a fatal error in my logs: "Call to a member function whichEncoding on a non-object ..."
- [19:59:23] <melvster>
hmm not sure about that, havent quite got my janrain server working, hopefully this week though, which version do you use?
- [20:00:06] <baughj>
1.1, with the 1.1 library
- [20:00:26] <melvster>
oic
- [20:00:41] <melvster>
yes gonna try and set that up this week
- [20:01:02] <melvster>
normally the janrain folks hang around here, so hopefully one will be able to help you
- [20:01:30] <baughj>
i should also just look at the code :P
- [20:01:42] <melvster>
i think the latest library is 1.2.3, though?
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for php-openid
- [20:02:00] <baughj>
ah yes, my bad, that is what I am using, the latest link off the download page
- [20:02:06] <baughj>
v1.1 of the server
- [20:03:07] <baughj>
ah wait, I think I know what the issue is
- [20:03:14] <melvster>
what?
- [20:04:14] <baughj>
let me verify
- [20:04:28] <melvster>
i can test your server if you like with my openid
- [20:07:59] <Heini_>
which provider would you recommend? I need an ID until my server works
- [20:08:29] <melvster>
well you can delegate you know
- [20:08:34] <melvster>
with the link tag
- [20:08:43] <melvster>
so then it doesnt really matter too much
- [20:08:51] <melvster>
myopenid.com is one that many on here use
- [20:09:10] <melvster>
you only need access to your own web page
- [20:09:24] <melvster>
then you can point it to whatever provider you want
- [20:09:34] <melvster>
and when you have your own server, you can use that
- [20:10:25] <baughj>
hm, I thought it might be register_globals by some chance, but it isn't
- [20:12:04] <Heini_>
ok, thanks for you help and good night (don't know your timezone...here is 10.12 PM ...)
- [20:12:17] <melvster>
guten nacht ;)
- [20:13:01] <Heini_>
gute Nacht...
- [20:13:20] <melvster>
oops, Leider, mein Deutsch is sehr schlimm
- [20:13:36] <melvster>
gute Nacht :)
- [20:14:05] <Heini_>
german is a dead language because only dead people have the time to learn it ;-)
- [20:14:14] <Heini_>
bye
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- [20:17:28] <wzph>
Hi. Anybody have experience with both the Rails plugin and ruby-openid?
- [20:21:12] <wzph>
Specifically I'm wondering whether one plays nicer with Windows than the other.
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- [20:53:53] <don-o>
whats the rails plugin called
- [20:54:52] <don-o>
http://www.bandit-project.org
- [20:55:08] <don-o>
wuzzup with Novell/Bandit?
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- [21:02:59] <melvster>
woo hoo so i just got the janrain server 1.1 working
- [21:03:06] <melvster>
didnt seem to hard
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- [21:09:10] <GabeW>
isn't a great feeling when you get some abstract spec working as a real living breathing system doing real live stuff?
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- [21:15:32] <don-o>
there is a spec for 'janrain'?
- [21:15:52] <don-o>
is bandit dead? looks like it.
- [21:17:57] <don-o>
the "Bluetooth infocard store" looks awesome
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- [21:28:15] <melvster>
anyone else had the fixargs() errors?
- [21:28:41] <melvster>
call to undefined function fixargs() in render.php
- [21:37:20] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> sounds like you're using the 1.1 standalone server codebase with the rc2 (or trunk) PHP OpenID library
- [21:46:10] <melvster>
ohhh
- [21:46:13] <melvster>
maybe yes
- [21:46:43] <melvster>
hmm no, it says 1.2.3
- [21:47:41] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> when did you download the tarball?
- [21:47:52] <melvster>
a couple of weeks ago
- [21:48:12] <melvster>
it says 1.2.3 in the CHANGELOG
- [21:48:13] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> get it again; there was a problem with tarballs built more than a few weeks ago.
- [21:48:44] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> is there a file Auth/OpenID/Message.php in the tarball?
- [21:49:03] <melvster>
yes
- [21:49:57] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> then you have a broken tarball
- [21:50:05] <melvster>
ok thanks ill get the new one
- [21:50:18] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> http://openidenabled.com/files/php-openid/packages/php-openid-1.2.3.tar.bz2
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- [22:01:07] <SignpostMarv>
cygnus, on the topic of library compatibility, do you happen to know what versions wpopenid and the wpmu server plugin are compatible with ?
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- [22:03:59] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> no, I didn't write that code. But I'll guess they're only compatible with the 1.x.x series of the library.
- [22:04:33] <melvster>
do you have the page to check an openid server?
- [22:04:44] <melvster>
im trying jyte but its not redirecting
- [22:04:58] <melvster>
(from the server that is)
- [22:05:02] <melvster>
the xargs error is gone
- [22:05:35] <SignpostMarv>
do you forsee any difficulty should i tweak the plugins to use the 2.x branches ?
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- [22:05:56] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> I assume you mean http://www.openidenabled.com/resources/openid-test/diagnose-server
- [22:06:13] <melvster>
wow thx
- [22:06:18] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> well, some small API changes will be required, but otherwise there shouldn't be any major issues
- [22:06:51] <SignpostMarv>
so the usual case of switch out the libraries, and keep running the diagnosis tool till it works ? :-P
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- [22:07:41] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> that will work, although one should still test the application directly
- [22:07:51] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> (as well as with the server-testing tool)
- [22:08:50] <SignpostMarv>
"test the application directly" ?
- [22:09:05] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> yes, that is, not just with the server-testing tool
- [22:09:38] <SignpostMarv>
ah, once the diagnosis tool says everything is okay, log into something with an OpenID from the tweaked server ?
- [22:10:09] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> ** cygnus nods, although I'd do that first rather than second
- [22:10:30] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> you're likely to run into not-quite-protocol-level issues when upgrading the libraries.
- [22:10:41] <SignpostMarv>
hrm. why is the ruby library on 2.0.1 but the php library is 2.0.0-rc2 ?
- [22:10:51] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> those issues may or may not be uncovered by the server tester, particularly with PHP-backed servers where things can break and spew HTML into the output stream
- [22:11:02] <SignpostMarv>
heh
- [22:11:22] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> python is 2.0.1, not ruby, but that's just how they got released.
- [22:11:53] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> indeed, even the python library stable release was a little early since we're still updating for draft 12 and waiting for the spec to be finalized.
- [22:12:15] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> but in general, don't count on the library version numbers to be *exactly* the same.
- [22:12:17] <SignpostMarv>
whoops, thats what i meant :-P
- [22:12:36] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> they're different codebases and will experience different quirks / usage problems / etc.
- [22:12:46] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> but we're going to try to keep the major version numbers the same.
- [22:13:06] <SignpostMarv>
how are things working on the attribute exchange protocol ?
- [22:13:29] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> we have a python implementation, which we're going to port to PHP soon.
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- [22:15:55] * SignpostMarv wonders why there's no mention of hCard in the protocol
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- [22:16:27] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> hCard doesn't really belong *in* the protocol
- [22:16:37] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> it's perfectly acceptable to transmit hCard information in an OpenID message
- [22:16:59] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> but that isn't something that needs to be in the core spec.
- [22:17:31] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> for example, Simple Registration is the same way; it has its own spec and utilizes the OpenID Extension feature.
- [22:18:22] <SignpostMarv>
openid.ax.type.hCard would probably be better than openid.ax.type.fname, openid.ax.type.lname etc
- [22:18:39] <SignpostMarv>
why make multiple http requests when you can make one ? :-P
- [22:19:09] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> ah, I'm sorry, you're referring to the AX spec. (The same thing still applies, though.)
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- [22:20:48] <SignpostMarv>
the argument is that since an OpenID document is meant to be representative of the person in control of that OpenID, any self-respecting geek would have an hCard either in that document, or not far from it
- [22:21:02] <SignpostMarv>
duplication of information just seems a little odd
- [22:21:45] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> not necessarily; many geeks want privacy. :)
- [22:21:56] <SignpostMarv>
openid.ax.type.fname=http://example.com/schema/fullname
- [22:21:57] <SignpostMarv>
openid.ax.value.fname=Bob Smith
- [22:22:02] <SignpostMarv>
not exactly private now is it :-P
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- [22:22:28] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> well, no, not if you consent to sending it to someone.
- [22:22:54] <SignpostMarv>
is openid.ax.value.fname not meant to go in a <link> tag in the OpenID document ?
- [22:23:31] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> not as far as I know.
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- [22:25:32] <SignpostMarv>
so it wouldn't be a case of <link rel="openid.server" href="foo" /><link rel="openid.ax.type.fname="http://example.com/schema/fullname" /><link rel="openid.ax.value.fname" href="data:text/plain,Bob Smith" /> ?
- [22:26:41] * SignpostMarv doesn't seem to get how attribute exchange would be implemented
- [22:27:54] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> AX is implemented by sending those values in the response from the server.
- [22:28:05] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> to an RP which requests those fields.
- [22:28:06] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> hopefully with the user's approval, that is.
- [22:28:22] * SignpostMarv is referring to data encapsulation and markup
- [22:28:26] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> there are other possibilities, but see the AX spec for further information
- [22:28:36] <wzph>
don-o: http://dev.rubyonrails.org/browser/plugins/open_id_authentication
- [22:28:41] <SignpostMarv>
how is the information requested in the first place ?
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- [22:30:15] <SignpostMarv>
the naming scheme for the ax stuff is similar to the openid.server/openid.delegate <link> stuffages, so i thought thats how it'd be implemented
- [22:30:21] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0-07.txt
- [22:30:21] <openid_pibb>
<cygnus> section 5.
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- [22:30:43] <SignpostMarv>
http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0-07.html#fetch :-P
- [22:31:34] <SignpostMarv>
aha!
- [22:31:37] * SignpostMarv reads section 4
- [22:31:39] <don-o>
wzph: thx
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- [22:35:44] <SignpostMarv>
cygnus: section 7.3.3 of the OpenID 2 spec states that relying parties must support html discovery, but section 4 of AX only mentions the XRDS discovery method
- [22:36:38] <SignpostMarv>
since XRI/Yadis discovery is not enforced for OpenID identities, it seems odd to enforce it for AX
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- [23:11:19] <_keturn>
a big part of the reason the Yadis discovery mechanism exists is because it provides a clean way to describe services, instead of requiring adhoc html craziness
- [23:11:47] <_keturn>
also note that's only a "SHOULD" in AX section 4
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- [23:36:14] <SignpostMarv>
keturn, thats just for the namespace
- [23:36:23] <SignpostMarv>
The attribute exchange namespace "http://openid.net/srv/ax/1.0" SHOULD be listed as an <xrd:Type> child element of the <xrd:Service> element in the XRDS discovery document.
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AaronF is a founder of MindTouch and blogs at http://oblogn.com and http://mindtouch.com/blog
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?forgetme
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I have expunged AaronF from my mind
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?help
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