IRC Log for #openid on 2008-01-22

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  4. [00:41:05] <Mark17> hello, when i login to a site that supports openid what information do they get?
  5. [00:41:34] <Mark17> for example: real name/email address/postal address/other information
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  7. [00:47:09] <trel1023> up to you and your openid provider
  8. [00:47:20] <trel1023> that's the whole point
  9. [00:47:43] <PibbRelay> <ozamosi> They get what your provider sends them. Most providers ask you if they can send any info and/or what info they can send. So if you tell it not to send, the site only gets your openid url.
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  12. [01:28:37] <dbounds> i'm curious if there's development into the attribute name definitions
  13. [01:29:19] <dbounds> i'm not aware of any standard and am curious about extending the attributes which I can expose without going off on a tangent
  14. [01:30:22] <dbounds> is there a spec for this?
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  16. [01:52:31] <tjohns> Depends on the protocol.
  17. [01:52:31] <tjohns> For the Simple Registration Extension, it's listed in the OpenID SRE spec.
  18. [01:52:32] <tjohns> For the Attribute Exchange Registration, take a look at http://www.axschema.org/types
  19. [01:54:25] <tjohns> Err, sorry about that. I meant to say "For the Attribute Exchange extension...".
  20. [02:10:47] <dbounds> attribute exchange is what i was looking for. thanks.
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  31. [07:11:51] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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  74. [16:14:16] <Makenshi> Right, to tackle the problem of "antisocial" sites, I am going to start work on that list of sites
  75. [16:14:49] <Makenshi> To begin with, a simple list of whether they are a provider and/or consumer, on a scale of red/amber/green
  76. [16:26:41] <Makenshi> For now I'm going to use google apps, unless someone could recommend a better place (the openid wiki, perhaps?)
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  94. [19:40:31] <PibbRelay> <enriqueaf> I have one question
  95. [19:41:21] <PibbRelay> <enriqueaf> when you log in in a page the first time they ask you for some information
  96. [19:41:38] <PibbRelay> <enriqueaf> I am saying with the open id and a provider
  97. [19:42:28] <PibbRelay> <enriqueaf> but the next times will they collect the information from the provider or they save it in their DataBases???
  98. [19:43:09] <PibbRelay> <enriqueaf> Or can they chose?
  99. [19:43:32] <PibbRelay> <keturn> they may do either one. oftentimes the information is something they will need to use between your visits -- like an email address -- so they will save it.
  100. [19:44:14] <PibbRelay> <enriqueaf> aa ok but they also can ask always for that information no??
  101. [19:44:25] <PibbRelay> <keturn> they can, yes.
  102. [19:44:37] <PibbRelay> <enriqueaf> aa ok thank you very much
  103. [19:47:26] <PibbRelay> <enriqueaf> and an other question, what do you think about the openid provider pip.versisginlabs.com or is better myopenid.com???
  104. [19:56:50] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> given that keturn works at JanRain (who operates MyOpenID), methinks he'll be a little bit more biased
  105. [19:57:20] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> FWIW, I have numerous OpenID accounts (for delegation purposes). And I use MyOpenID. They're robust, stable, they keep up with plenty of new OpenID changes and features.
  106. [19:57:45] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> VeriSign is rock solid, and the PayPal key integration is awesome. But I go for Latest and Greatest. And so far, MyOpenID is the best one I've known to keep up.
  107. [19:58:11] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> Also, FWIW, I certainly haven't tried all IdP's, so I don't know who does and doesn't do some things. I think there's a site dedicated to comparing providers...
  108. [19:58:18] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> (their features, support, etc.)
  109. [20:03:02] <donomo> the RP's only change to get profile information is at the moment of login.
  110. [20:03:20] <donomo> it cannot request information spontaneously, right?
  111. [20:04:47] <PibbRelay> <enriqueaf> Ok thank you for the answer Jason
  112. [20:05:06] <donomo> s/only change/only chance/
  113. [20:05:42] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> donomo: Correct
  114. [20:06:08] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> enriqueaf: You're welcome.
  115. [20:06:14] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> donomo: Well. An RP could talk to an IdP at any time. But without matching session information, the IdP won't care.
  116. [20:06:19] <PibbRelay> <VxJasonxV> And due to hashes and nonces, you won't get "replay attacks" either.
  117. [20:06:25] <_keturn> although AX allows the RP to specify an update_url, to which the provider may send spontaneous updates in the future.
  118. [20:11:41] <donomo> oh that rocks.
  119. [20:13:08] <donomo> important when a single openid login lasts for, say, 12 months
  120. [20:13:18] <donomo> and the moment of login isnt so great to get updates.
  121. [20:15:54] <_keturn> well, given that immediate mode exists, I don't think there's a good reason for a single OpenID auth to last for 12 months, but... yeah.
  122. [20:20:32] * donomo is not so familiar with immediate mode
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  125. [20:30:08] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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  127. [20:41:07] <bburcham> ruby-openid 2.0.3 question: what class can I use for the "endpoint" parameter to OpenID::Consumer::SuccessResponse#initialize?
  128. [20:41:22] <bburcham> (I'm using mocha to mock the authentication in an integration test)
  129. [20:41:48] <bburcham> need a class that implements #claimed_id
  130. [20:41:58] <bburcham> and I don't see it in doc (am I blind?_)
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  132. [20:59:05] <bburcham> so I ended up brute-forcing it like this: endpoint = 'endpoint'
  133. [20:59:05] <bburcham> class <<endpoint
  134. [20:59:05] <bburcham> def claimed_id
  135. [20:59:05] <bburcham> Member.nickname_to_open_id_url('fred')
  136. [20:59:05] <bburcham> end
  137. [20:59:06] <bburcham> end
  138. [20:59:21] <bburcham> and I handed endpoint to the constructor
  139. [20:59:24] <bburcham> oh well
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  141. [21:42:17] <_keturn> bburcham: it's an OpenID::OpenIDServiceEndpoint, in openid/consumer/discovery
  142. [21:42:32] <bburcham> thanks _keturn
  143. [21:42:52] <bburcham> that makes perfect sense
  144. [21:43:44] <bburcham> though I didn't see it implementing #claimed_id (in the rdoc)
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  162. [23:04:14] <Digitalxero> I was wondering if there was a way to tie someone logged in via OpenID (Assuming I get that all working) to a Username on my site. From what I can tell, based on the sample code I have read, the only way to identify the user is via the identity_url, which could be different each time the same person logs in if they have multiple OpenID accounts
  163. [23:08:01] <_keturn> have you seen http://www.plaxo.com/api/openid_recipe ?
  164. [23:10:43] <Digitalxero> Nope I hadnt
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